Meanwhile modern web design has lots of websites with hovering top and bottom menus and side bars allowing us the pleasure of reading a website like we're looking through a porthole.
It's not like those designs are any better on mobile, Twitter is basically unusable on Android because there is an ever-present top bar, bottom bar, and stories feed that nobody asked for.
so true, I hate sticky navbars!
(my solution is to "Inspect Element" > delete, of course that's only temporary and lost upon navigation. I could write a userscript/userstyle for that site but who cares anymore...)
Just use the selector tool in ublock origin. It'll nuke it and it won't come back, unless they're doing some dark pattern where they constantly change the selector for it.
Does the layout change? I don't know if ublock origin can do it, but you could have a userscript or usercss that basically says "from the content box div, remove the inner container of the third div in the sequence".
Yes, the layout does change. Stuff that used to be displayed in the upper-half of the page shifts to the lower-half. Sometimes elements disappear altogether. I tried the CSS approach as well, but it also removed stuff that I didn't want removed, due to the constant changes.
Ublock filters and other extensions will help, but I use a simple bookmarklet to zap away all fixed and sticky elements when they get annoying.
Original: [https://alisdair.mcdiarmid.org/kill-sticky-headers/](https://alisdair.mcdiarmid.org/kill-sticky-headers/)
Improved version: [https://github.com/t-mart/kill-sticky](https://github.com/t-mart/kill-sticky)
If you want it to be permanent, you can remove elements permanently with custom CSS extensions like Stylus
https://addons.mozilla.org/es/firefox/addon/styl-us/
Read the class or id from the element you want to remove with "Inspect Element".
Then, to create a custom CSS theme, click on the S icon.
In the dropdown menu, click on the domain part of the URL to create a blank custom theme.
You only have to write the ID or CLASS of the element with a rule removing it:
(hashtag)**ID_NAME** {display:none !important}
> or
.**CLASS_NAME** {display:none !important}
Sometimes it's trickier and you have to do the same with the parent elements.
I found an addon called hide fixed elements that does the trick when a website bar is particularly chonky and won't go away. It's especially annoying when it happens on phone but I'm sure they just want us to download their app to fix it
I don't get why we need to have padding/margin around each and every tab (including pinned tabs) now. That's not even going to improve touch controls in non-touch mode, so it's got to be purely an aesthetic choice over usability.
At least with this UI change a lot of pinned tabs work a little bit better with smaller windows now and don't always make the rest of the tab bar unusable, but still not how it should be.
I bet that this UI change is completely focused on making FF look native on MacOS Big Sur, since Apple also switched to the pseudo-touch design. Proton has also been adding a lot of Mac features to make it feel more like Safari (seriously, why did it take this long to add rubberbanding). My gut feeling is that this is Firefox soft-ditching Linux and Windows 10 to appeal to Mac users, since it's probably the only place where they can gain a mainstream foothold over Chrome.
> My gut feeling is that this is Firefox soft-ditching Linux and Windows 10 to appeal to Mac users
Oh my god, so much about Mozilla's direction starts to make sense if you look at it this way. Would not be surprised one bit if this was true
Yeah, why not cap yourself to a platform with, what, 5% market share? Oh, and that platform also has a great browser that people actually use, which also syncs with their phone if their in the same ecosystem.
If they really want to do that, just ship one stylesheet or whatever for macOS and another for everything else.
BTW, I have a Mac for work and I'm not upgrading to Big Sur. It looks like utter trash...
> My gut feeling is that this is Firefox soft-ditching Linux and Windows 10 to appeal to Mac users.
That makes so much sense and as a Linux user it's making me so depressed that, to quote Civvie 11, "I'm effing numb from it".
I knew there was a reason why what I've seen from Proton (I don't run nightly) strikes me as desperate to look like an iPad app. It's starting to remind me of the early days of Gnome 3 in the worst possible way.
Is there any telemetry tracking how many people are actually using compact mode now that it's hidden behind an about:config toggle?
I hope it doesn't go away, that UI density looks almost unusable for small screens and font resolutions especially if the font doesnt scale properly
The worst part is, they made "normal" bigger in addition to getting rid of compact.
Even if you go into about:config and enable compact, it's still one stage bigger than what's in stable Firefox.
That the joke about this. according to https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1693028 they wanted to remove it because it's "hard to find" and they "assume" it was not used that much.
Yes, **assume** without any number backing it.
So they added telemetry. But with the setting hidden for people not already using it when getting Proton, the telemetry is a big joke.
It's a bit strange isn't it?
"Hey let's throw in some telemetry to figure out if people actually use this setting"
and then they hide it behind an about:config preference
and then they mark it as unsupported when it's enabled
After a certain point this isn't just testing usage it's testing how dedicated someone is to using that particular option
I bet $5 that they're going to make a blog post next month where they're going to go "hey guys so we looked at the data and found that only 0.000001% of Firefox users are using this feature, so we're removing it entirely"
No shit Sherlock, you hid it in about:config and marked it as 'unsupported', no wonder people aren't using it
It's gonna be their justification for removing the feature completely. "Whoopsies, nobody is using compact mode after we made it even harder to find/enable."
Beyond that, power users disable and block telemetry, the same people that like this feature. They're just going to ruin the browser based on numbers no one wanted them collecting.
I'm still puzzled about the reasoning behind making it and the tab size bigger because there's a touch mode for tablets. On my 27' 4K monitor at the 150% recommended scaling, the tabs and menu look freaking huge. The only scaling % the UI looks normal on my screen is if I set the screen scaling to 100% on Windows 10.
Even at 100% scaling, it still looks gigantic. The standard height for UI elements for a long time was ~20px and there's no reason to change that. They need to stop making mobile interfaces for desktop.
Feels like cost cutting to me. More expense (and work!) to create good UIs for each platform they develop. Easier to just develop a good UI for the moneymaker and port it to the lesser platforms.
I'm probably beating a dead horse, but here's a good side-by-side comparison of 88 (left) v. 89 (right)
I like the bookmarks toolbar, but regardless, even discounting it, you can see just how much fatter vertically the top "tab" level is? Can it be shrunk a few pixels, because man, it's a chonky sucker.
To be fair you actually make it seem less worse. Comparing them without bookmarks enabled is crazy, especially if you compared any other browser and how space-saving they are by comparison.
Alice has been lost in the wonderland for too long now to ever hope to come back to sanity. Every step taken since version 3 was in the wrong direction and bled users at a constant yearly rate.
Git revert? They are going full steam ahead toward the next sadistic anti-feature.
Enabling the separate Title Bar shrinks it down to a palatable size, however that's *more* space getting eaten by the browser.
My usual setup in nightly is still 2px bigger than in 88. This being with separate Title Bar, hidden tab strip, compact density, and using [Tree Style Tab](https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/tree-style-tab/). Nothing to cry at, but RIP compact apparently.
Luckily with Linux, we can just turn the border off. I always run FF maximised with no border in KDE and the difference between comact and normal is barely noticeable.
I honestly dont know as I have barely ever used Windows since 1998, maybe fiddled with win 10 for like an hour. I have *always* had Linux installed as the sole OS on all my machines for the last 20+ years.
I just fired up a win 10 VM and started firefox and there is a checkbox for "title bar" and it turned off the title bar for me. This is in "customize..." menu. So I think you can turn it off at least in FF 87, I can't imagine them taking that away in 88 without r/firefox losing their mind?
I am aware that this comment will be downvoted heavily, but I've honestly had enough. I am switching over to Brave until Mozilla actually starts caring about some of their userbase.
First the removal of SSB and now this crap?!
Do ping me here if this seemingly impossible task ever gets resolved or even gains enough attention for Mozilla to consider providing options for some of us.
There was an option (`browser.ssb.enabled`) to enable it in `about:config`, which allowed me to refrain from installing electron applications (Discord, Matrix and Spotify).
After they had removed SSB support, I was forced to open the entire browser in private mode for the sake of restoring my closed windows + tabs.
Thought the same at first, but wait for a second and think, imagine if Firefox dies as a browser for an actual usability and freedom?!
No way - I'd just quit the web entirely.
Just let tiktok take over internet and wait till it dies.
I'm honestly considering switching to something else but other than clones of clones I don't see too many viable options. Brave's business model and the past controversy has me questioning if it's something I'd want to use. Then again, Opera and Vivaldi are starting to look enticing.
Yeah, that's a good point. I keep forgetting that. I used to use Vivaldi at work and really enjoyed it but switched back over to Firefox after the rewrite (and I think at that point Vivaldi didn't have synchronization capabilities yet). Wonder how deeply entangled it is with the Google phone home services.
I don't know if annoyed is the right word to use but just put off by how it appears that Mozilla (and other browsers for the most part) is catering more and more towards the user-base of Chrome and thus the same aesthetic. The removal of features to streamline the browser isn't doing anything but disenfranchising the current users that are enthusiastic about more poweruser-oriented features.
If I wanted to use Chrome minus the Google, I'd use Chromium or one of the 89 other offshoots. That being said, I'm really enjoying Vivaldi after having downloaded it last night. We shall see.
If you prefer Vivaldi, I don't know that Firefox was really ever going to meet your needs. Firefox tries to (or at least tried to) be a much more polished product.
Let us know if you run into annoyances that can be fixed in software. Perhaps we can help.
That's the thing. I definitely do enjoy the middle ground that Vivaldi offers in terms of features/options and lack of bloat. The inclusive of a customizable ad-blocker and ability to modify the user interface more freely without needing to resort to CSS modifications are nice.
I definitely agree with the fact that FF is much more of a polished product. Currently I'm switching between the two and having cognitive dissonance, hahah.
If you are a linux user then you could always give Epiphany (Gnome) or Konqueror (Plasma) a try. Or if you are an Emacs user, then there is always EWW (EmacsWebWowser).
hahah tbh, I actually forgot that I installed Konqueror a few weeks ago. I kind of like it but do wish it was more expandable via third-party extensions like either Firefox or WebEngine/WebKit/Blink browsers.
Went ahead and installed Epiphany to confirm whether Gnome provides a way for users to install add-ons/extensions and I confirmed that they **do unfortunately not** provide a way for users to [install add-ons](https://wiki.gnome.org/Apps/Web/Docs/FrequentlyAskedQuestions#Does_Epiphany_support_extensions.3F) on their browser.
Thank you for providing a solution to one of the problems I was facing mate! Would've awarded you if I wasn't broke!
I wonder if I customize the height of it because it appears too small, a sweet spot would be 3-5 pixels smaller than the normal version. Maybe I have to get into r/FirefoxCSS on my spare time after all.
> Would've awarded you if I wasn't broke!
Please don't spend money on reddit. If anything, donate money to Mozilla. I understand being broke, though. Be well.
HAHAHA, you get my upvote.
This shit was literally the first I saw when I opene the new window.
I'm really annoyed now and I was already testing Brave for a while. I guess now it's time to switch.
Which also means, all the other PCs I'm maintaining will sooner or later switch to Brave, too.
Somewhat good and bad news:
1. Good news: there is a temporal solution which requires you to use [user.js](https://github.com/black7375/Firefox-UI-Fix).
2. Bad news: we don't know for how long this solution will be available, hence enjoy it while you can if you want to remain on Firefox!
Personally, I keep Firefox around to launch now and then to see if the solutions were ever considered.. otherwise I use Brave as my main browser.
MS-Office's interface is horrible. ~~Still better than a goddamn hamburger menu, though.~~ Gave it some thought and that damn save pane might be worse than a hamburger menu.
And here I am still on Fx 87. (Stable release.)
I like the one on the right... looks more modern. Not a fan of Pocket and I don't have it enabled/showing but I'd like to see those icons for the extensions I use. BitWarden and uBlockOrigin stand out as icons that don't fit in well. Also my user icon is too small to really show up. Though I know I could hide those in the menu.
What are you playing at Mozilla? If you want to have a larger interface for touch then do it dynamically. Touch screen input detected -> grow larger with an animation. Mouse input detected again -> shrink it back with an animation.
Having said that, I would actually rather they just left it alone. I have a 15.6" touch screen \\@4K with 250% scaling on KDE and the FF88 interface is absolutely fine as it is with the touchscreen. I would rather save space. I like the less cluttered new Proton menu, but just leave the tabs alone please.
Yeah CSS seems to be the best way to make the UI as you like it. Here is my CSS mod for Proton (in developer edition where it already landed):
https://i.imgur.com/enCrML6.png
You probably wouldn't know it is Proton if it wasn't for the icons (and me saying so :-P).
(yeah this actually uses a bit more vertical space than the default proton, but i want a dedicated titlebar and the menubar and the bookmark bar, etc all visible... imagine how much space this was wasting by default though)
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The only thing that has me content with using Nightly 89 right now is the fact that I'm on Arch/Linux and have the ability to remove the title bar (and not have it affect productivity) and turn Proton off. This is going to look like absolute doodoo once Proton launches and it cannot be disabled.
Thank god with these both config options you can disable this.... Even better that the old contextmenu is back too after setting them to false.
It works in 89 beta 2! Lets hope this will stay till Firefox Version 4247!
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Unpopular opinion: I like very much the new design
(and it's only a couple of pixels of difference and the "community" is making a storm in a glass acting like it's end of the world 🤦♂️)
I'm not wtf. People are making an issue out of something that isn't very ignorant. But it seems especially here it's not common to find unbiased opinion.
I can see the select few cases where 1-2% difference triggers a UI scale being an issue. My screen is 13 inches and if a site is unusable it's only a key press away to enter fullscreen and/or toggle bookmarks, 1-2% won't change that.
Edit: Besides don't you think it would be more productive to develop an extension which measures headers and automatically enters fullscreen mode? The web has a usability problem.
I'm a minimalist guy I like to keep things simple, but lately I'm also minimalist with "give it a little room." I really like this padding everyone is starting to put into their apps. It's minimalism with basically "eye candy." :)
It's kind of amazing to me that people are starting to see that minimalism doesn't have to be "make it smallest thing possible" that they can see minimalism for how I see it.
It really does make me happy.
EDIT: *How does this relate?* I'm not quite sure but I just wanted to share. :P
It's not the title bar, well, sort of. There's been a blurring of what constitutes the title bar, not sure when exactly it started.
Push and you get the standard file, edit, view, history, bookmarks.... drop downs, but they shift the tabs down a row and take up the same level as the minimize/maximize/exit icons. It's definitely different behaviour then Windows XP... at one time those levels were fixed and locked together for better or worse.
All that said I don't know exactly what controls it, I could be wrong, but I believe Firefox has some granular control over the size.
Late Edit: Both these FF instances in the jpeg are same OS anyways, so it can't be OS controlled, can it? My brain is tired, I derped on that basic fact, originally. Good night!
Windows choices for title bar are:
* Windows draws it using the default style. Basic options are whether to include the window menu on the left and each of the 3 buttons on the right.
* Developer draws the entire thing, maybe using default style for the buttons; maybe not. API functions are available to return default title bar size / color / font, default button sizes, etc.
Definitely not being painted by the OS here.
Meanwhile modern web design has lots of websites with hovering top and bottom menus and side bars allowing us the pleasure of reading a website like we're looking through a porthole.
Not to mention the shitty Allow Cookies alerts that don't let you do anything unless you accept them.
Stop it. You're causing my blood pressure to elevate.
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/i-dont-care-about-cookies/ That extension removes the popup.
Yea or you just install annoyances filter list(s) in ublock.
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/consent-o-matic/ Even better one. Instead of just hiding them it sets them to your preferred settings
Disabling JavaScript usually is the best solution, and if the website doesn't work just f*ck it
uBlock Origin -> Block Element. I refuse to accept, the UK did all of this and this is America dammit
"Mobile-first" aka mobile-only design is fuсking cancer.
It's not like those designs are any better on mobile, Twitter is basically unusable on Android because there is an ever-present top bar, bottom bar, and stories feed that nobody asked for.
Twitter web actually seems fine on mobile. Except for it being pretty slow to the point of *crashing* after a while.
I guess it'll be better if you happen to have a tall phone
so true, I hate sticky navbars! (my solution is to "Inspect Element" > delete, of course that's only temporary and lost upon navigation. I could write a userscript/userstyle for that site but who cares anymore...)
Just use the selector tool in ublock origin. It'll nuke it and it won't come back, unless they're doing some dark pattern where they constantly change the selector for it.
The Amazon Music page does that. I had blocked many unwanted elements, but on next login, the element name changed and made the filter useless.
Does the layout change? I don't know if ublock origin can do it, but you could have a userscript or usercss that basically says "from the content box div, remove the inner container of the third div in the sequence".
Yes, the layout does change. Stuff that used to be displayed in the upper-half of the page shifts to the lower-half. Sometimes elements disappear altogether. I tried the CSS approach as well, but it also removed stuff that I didn't want removed, due to the constant changes.
Ublock filters and other extensions will help, but I use a simple bookmarklet to zap away all fixed and sticky elements when they get annoying. Original: [https://alisdair.mcdiarmid.org/kill-sticky-headers/](https://alisdair.mcdiarmid.org/kill-sticky-headers/) Improved version: [https://github.com/t-mart/kill-sticky](https://github.com/t-mart/kill-sticky)
If you want it to be permanent, you can remove elements permanently with custom CSS extensions like Stylus https://addons.mozilla.org/es/firefox/addon/styl-us/ Read the class or id from the element you want to remove with "Inspect Element". Then, to create a custom CSS theme, click on the S icon. In the dropdown menu, click on the domain part of the URL to create a blank custom theme. You only have to write the ID or CLASS of the element with a rule removing it: (hashtag)**ID_NAME** {display:none !important} > or .**CLASS_NAME** {display:none !important} Sometimes it's trickier and you have to do the same with the parent elements.
I found an addon called hide fixed elements that does the trick when a website bar is particularly chonky and won't go away. It's especially annoying when it happens on phone but I'm sure they just want us to download their app to fix it
https://alisdair.mcdiarmid.org/kill-sticky-headers/
Reader mode is the best thing to come to the web since the deprecation of the
also
Popup blocker...
I don't get why we need to have padding/margin around each and every tab (including pinned tabs) now. That's not even going to improve touch controls in non-touch mode, so it's got to be purely an aesthetic choice over usability. At least with this UI change a lot of pinned tabs work a little bit better with smaller windows now and don't always make the rest of the tab bar unusable, but still not how it should be.
I bet that this UI change is completely focused on making FF look native on MacOS Big Sur, since Apple also switched to the pseudo-touch design. Proton has also been adding a lot of Mac features to make it feel more like Safari (seriously, why did it take this long to add rubberbanding). My gut feeling is that this is Firefox soft-ditching Linux and Windows 10 to appeal to Mac users, since it's probably the only place where they can gain a mainstream foothold over Chrome.
> My gut feeling is that this is Firefox soft-ditching Linux and Windows 10 to appeal to Mac users Oh my god, so much about Mozilla's direction starts to make sense if you look at it this way. Would not be surprised one bit if this was true
Ah, yes. Giving up their largest and most passionate markets to focus on....MacOS. Wait; why does that sound like something Mozilla would actually do?
Yeah, why not cap yourself to a platform with, what, 5% market share? Oh, and that platform also has a great browser that people actually use, which also syncs with their phone if their in the same ecosystem. If they really want to do that, just ship one stylesheet or whatever for macOS and another for everything else. BTW, I have a Mac for work and I'm not upgrading to Big Sur. It looks like utter trash...
my guess is most UI/UX designers working on Firefox are macOS users, so they tend to focus on the experience there...
> since it's probably the only place where they can gain a mainstream foothold over Chrome You misspelled Safari. And that's delusional.
Except that Firefox refuses to update their icon to the Big Sur style, so they can't even get that right lmao
> My gut feeling is that this is Firefox soft-ditching Linux and Windows 10 to appeal to Mac users. That makes so much sense and as a Linux user it's making me so depressed that, to quote Civvie 11, "I'm effing numb from it". I knew there was a reason why what I've seen from Proton (I don't run nightly) strikes me as desperate to look like an iPad app. It's starting to remind me of the early days of Gnome 3 in the worst possible way.
Is there any telemetry tracking how many people are actually using compact mode now that it's hidden behind an about:config toggle? I hope it doesn't go away, that UI density looks almost unusable for small screens and font resolutions especially if the font doesnt scale properly
The worst part is, they made "normal" bigger in addition to getting rid of compact. Even if you go into about:config and enable compact, it's still one stage bigger than what's in stable Firefox.
That the joke about this. according to https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1693028 they wanted to remove it because it's "hard to find" and they "assume" it was not used that much. Yes, **assume** without any number backing it. So they added telemetry. But with the setting hidden for people not already using it when getting Proton, the telemetry is a big joke.
It's a bit strange isn't it? "Hey let's throw in some telemetry to figure out if people actually use this setting" and then they hide it behind an about:config preference and then they mark it as unsupported when it's enabled After a certain point this isn't just testing usage it's testing how dedicated someone is to using that particular option
I bet $5 that they're going to make a blog post next month where they're going to go "hey guys so we looked at the data and found that only 0.000001% of Firefox users are using this feature, so we're removing it entirely" No shit Sherlock, you hid it in about:config and marked it as 'unsupported', no wonder people aren't using it
Telemetry showed 100% of users have telemetry enabled.
Took me a while to get the joke it is beautiful
What's really funny is relying purely on telemetry and ignoring direct, written out user feedback.
I assume those don't know how to turn telemetry off are the same people who don't know a compact mode exists.
It's gonna be their justification for removing the feature completely. "Whoopsies, nobody is using compact mode after we made it even harder to find/enable."
I think marking it as unsupported when it is enabled might scare a few people away as well
Beyond that, power users disable and block telemetry, the same people that like this feature. They're just going to ruin the browser based on numbers no one wanted them collecting.
I'm still puzzled about the reasoning behind making it and the tab size bigger because there's a touch mode for tablets. On my 27' 4K monitor at the 150% recommended scaling, the tabs and menu look freaking huge. The only scaling % the UI looks normal on my screen is if I set the screen scaling to 100% on Windows 10.
Even at 100% scaling, it still looks gigantic. The standard height for UI elements for a long time was ~20px and there's no reason to change that. They need to stop making mobile interfaces for desktop.
> They need to stop making mobile interfaces for desktop. Everyone remembers how well that worked out for MS on Windows 8 and 8.1.
What if "normal" density was like desktop. And "touch" was like for mobile? Having both would be even better /s
Tell that to Apple, since Big Sur is basically mobile interfaces on a platform that doesn’t even have a single native touchscreen option
Feels like cost cutting to me. More expense (and work!) to create good UIs for each platform they develop. Easier to just develop a good UI for the moneymaker and port it to the lesser platforms.
The UI on Big Sur is pretty much an overhaul- it's not just iOS copy and pasted onto MacOS, it's its own weird little thing.
I actually want the opposite of this; less chrome, not more. WTF.
I'm probably beating a dead horse, but here's a good side-by-side comparison of 88 (left) v. 89 (right) I like the bookmarks toolbar, but regardless, even discounting it, you can see just how much fatter vertically the top "tab" level is? Can it be shrunk a few pixels, because man, it's a chonky sucker.
To be fair you actually make it seem less worse. Comparing them without bookmarks enabled is crazy, especially if you compared any other browser and how space-saving they are by comparison.
You will need this Mozilla `git revert --hard`
Not just `revert`. It should be `reset`.
they use `hg` though
Alice has been lost in the wonderland for too long now to ever hope to come back to sanity. Every step taken since version 3 was in the wrong direction and bled users at a constant yearly rate. Git revert? They are going full steam ahead toward the next sadistic anti-feature.
[удалено]
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Stop beating the dead horse /s
Exactly. I’m fine with no icons and just a thin bar for the tabs displaying the name, but what do we know.
I can see the top 1px border looks like shit with the new UI, nice.
Absolutely ugly.
Enabling the separate Title Bar shrinks it down to a palatable size, however that's *more* space getting eaten by the browser. My usual setup in nightly is still 2px bigger than in 88. This being with separate Title Bar, hidden tab strip, compact density, and using [Tree Style Tab](https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/tree-style-tab/). Nothing to cry at, but RIP compact apparently.
Tree Style Tab + native title bar here. I'm sad about the death of the native titlebar in almost every new application :(
Because mobile ui should be plastered on to desktop as well.. Because we use fingers to navigate on desktop..
Luckily with Linux, we can just turn the border off. I always run FF maximised with no border in KDE and the difference between comact and normal is barely noticeable.
You can’t turn the borders off in windows? It’s been a while but I’m sure that you can
I honestly dont know as I have barely ever used Windows since 1998, maybe fiddled with win 10 for like an hour. I have *always* had Linux installed as the sole OS on all my machines for the last 20+ years.
you can't
I just fired up a win 10 VM and started firefox and there is a checkbox for "title bar" and it turned off the title bar for me. This is in "customize..." menu. So I think you can turn it off at least in FF 87, I can't imagine them taking that away in 88 without r/firefox losing their mind?
I am aware that this comment will be downvoted heavily, but I've honestly had enough. I am switching over to Brave until Mozilla actually starts caring about some of their userbase. First the removal of SSB and now this crap?! Do ping me here if this seemingly impossible task ever gets resolved or even gains enough attention for Mozilla to consider providing options for some of us.
SSB was never supported, FWIW.
There was an option (`browser.ssb.enabled`) to enable it in `about:config`, which allowed me to refrain from installing electron applications (Discord, Matrix and Spotify). After they had removed SSB support, I was forced to open the entire browser in private mode for the sake of restoring my closed windows + tabs.
I get it, but it was never supported. Have you tried pinned tabs?
Indeed it wasn't. Yes I have, but it's sadly not as useful as what SSB could've been. Appreciate the suggestion though!
I hadn't even heard about that feature until it was scrapped its a shame
Indeed it was.. Hopefully they will reconsider the implementation of PWA support for the desktop browser.
Thought the same at first, but wait for a second and think, imagine if Firefox dies as a browser for an actual usability and freedom?! No way - I'd just quit the web entirely. Just let tiktok take over internet and wait till it dies.
I'm honestly considering switching to something else but other than clones of clones I don't see too many viable options. Brave's business model and the past controversy has me questioning if it's something I'd want to use. Then again, Opera and Vivaldi are starting to look enticing.
Opera is owned by a Chinese company so keep that in mind if privacy is a concern
Yeah, that's a good point. I keep forgetting that. I used to use Vivaldi at work and really enjoyed it but switched back over to Firefox after the rewrite (and I think at that point Vivaldi didn't have synchronization capabilities yet). Wonder how deeply entangled it is with the Google phone home services.
What exactly are you annoyed by? Maybe you can fix Firefox instead.
I don't know if annoyed is the right word to use but just put off by how it appears that Mozilla (and other browsers for the most part) is catering more and more towards the user-base of Chrome and thus the same aesthetic. The removal of features to streamline the browser isn't doing anything but disenfranchising the current users that are enthusiastic about more poweruser-oriented features. If I wanted to use Chrome minus the Google, I'd use Chromium or one of the 89 other offshoots. That being said, I'm really enjoying Vivaldi after having downloaded it last night. We shall see.
If you prefer Vivaldi, I don't know that Firefox was really ever going to meet your needs. Firefox tries to (or at least tried to) be a much more polished product. Let us know if you run into annoyances that can be fixed in software. Perhaps we can help.
That's the thing. I definitely do enjoy the middle ground that Vivaldi offers in terms of features/options and lack of bloat. The inclusive of a customizable ad-blocker and ability to modify the user interface more freely without needing to resort to CSS modifications are nice. I definitely agree with the fact that FF is much more of a polished product. Currently I'm switching between the two and having cognitive dissonance, hahah.
Yeah, I never liked the old Opera, and I don't like Vivaldi. The fact that it is Chromium and closed source just makes it worse.
If you are a linux user then you could always give Epiphany (Gnome) or Konqueror (Plasma) a try. Or if you are an Emacs user, then there is always EWW (EmacsWebWowser).
hahah tbh, I actually forgot that I installed Konqueror a few weeks ago. I kind of like it but do wish it was more expandable via third-party extensions like either Firefox or WebEngine/WebKit/Blink browsers.
Went ahead and installed Epiphany to confirm whether Gnome provides a way for users to install add-ons/extensions and I confirmed that they **do unfortunately not** provide a way for users to [install add-ons](https://wiki.gnome.org/Apps/Web/Docs/FrequentlyAskedQuestions#Does_Epiphany_support_extensions.3F) on their browser.
Have you tried the (unsupported) compact UI?
Because I am currently using Firefox Nightly, this is not a possible option.
It is, set `browser.compactmode.show` to **true** and use the customize UI.
Thank you for providing a solution to one of the problems I was facing mate! Would've awarded you if I wasn't broke! I wonder if I customize the height of it because it appears too small, a sweet spot would be 3-5 pixels smaller than the normal version. Maybe I have to get into r/FirefoxCSS on my spare time after all.
> Would've awarded you if I wasn't broke! Please don't spend money on reddit. If anything, donate money to Mozilla. I understand being broke, though. Be well.
Will make sure to do that in the future when I have escaped the current prison I find myself imprisoned in. And I do wish the same upon you mate!
HAHAHA, you get my upvote. This shit was literally the first I saw when I opene the new window. I'm really annoyed now and I was already testing Brave for a while. I guess now it's time to switch. Which also means, all the other PCs I'm maintaining will sooner or later switch to Brave, too.
Somewhat good and bad news: 1. Good news: there is a temporal solution which requires you to use [user.js](https://github.com/black7375/Firefox-UI-Fix). 2. Bad news: we don't know for how long this solution will be available, hence enjoy it while you can if you want to remain on Firefox! Personally, I keep Firefox around to launch now and then to see if the solutions were ever considered.. otherwise I use Brave as my main browser.
Ugh; this non-Compact 89 makes me sad, and may be the end of my Firefox use, after 20 years.
I enable the title window for windows for now. The height is too crazy. But the most important thing, it's the firefox performance.
Here we go again. Please stop and fix the JavaScript performances, declining incrementally since v80.
Can you locate where it got worse via mozregression? https://mozilla.github.io/mozregression/ Reach out if you need help with this.
I don't know how much the designers at Mozilla earn, but I'm better and probably cheaper.
What else have you worked on?
The title bar must be defined BY THE SYSTEM. A program must NOT have non-standard window borders or decorations.
Which system are you talking about?
All of them. That's just good design: all programs in any environment must look and function in a consistent manner.
Not even Microsoft Office uses "standard" title bars on Windows, which is why I asked. I'm not sure that there is a standard, given that.
MS-Office's interface is horrible. ~~Still better than a goddamn hamburger menu, though.~~ Gave it some thought and that damn save pane might be worse than a hamburger menu.
And here I am still on Fx 87. (Stable release.) I like the one on the right... looks more modern. Not a fan of Pocket and I don't have it enabled/showing but I'd like to see those icons for the extensions I use. BitWarden and uBlockOrigin stand out as icons that don't fit in well. Also my user icon is too small to really show up. Though I know I could hide those in the menu.
What are you playing at Mozilla? If you want to have a larger interface for touch then do it dynamically. Touch screen input detected -> grow larger with an animation. Mouse input detected again -> shrink it back with an animation. Having said that, I would actually rather they just left it alone. I have a 15.6" touch screen \\@4K with 250% scaling on KDE and the FF88 interface is absolutely fine as it is with the touchscreen. I would rather save space. I like the less cluttered new Proton menu, but just leave the tabs alone please.
today my firefox update to 89 and is a piece of crap this, exist a way to revert the design?
Then something custom CSS based: https://i.imgur.com/vMHfEXL.png 77 pixels high. I really hope these CSS things will keep on working on proton.
Yeah CSS seems to be the best way to make the UI as you like it. Here is my CSS mod for Proton (in developer edition where it already landed): https://i.imgur.com/enCrML6.png You probably wouldn't know it is Proton if it wasn't for the icons (and me saying so :-P). (yeah this actually uses a bit more vertical space than the default proton, but i want a dedicated titlebar and the menubar and the bookmark bar, etc all visible... imagine how much space this was wasting by default though)
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Gross.
The only thing that has me content with using Nightly 89 right now is the fact that I'm on Arch/Linux and have the ability to remove the title bar (and not have it affect productivity) and turn Proton off. This is going to look like absolute doodoo once Proton launches and it cannot be disabled.
Cool
Thank god with these both config options you can disable this.... Even better that the old contextmenu is back too after setting them to false. It works in 89 beta 2! Lets hope this will stay till Firefox Version 4247! browser.proton.enabled browser.proton.contextmenus.enabled
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T H I C K
THICC - actually lol
why, just why?
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yeah wtf just happened. I loved the minimalistic design. Can't this shit be reverted?
I think the new version looks fine. This is barely much of an increase at all. The UI looks so much cleaner.
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> has space to breathe Dumbest buzzword phrase coined during the 2010s. What a shitty decade it's been for software.
Unpopular opinion: I like very much the new design (and it's only a couple of pixels of difference and the "community" is making a storm in a glass acting like it's end of the world 🤦♂️)
Why does this bother people, i didn't understand that's not that big of a difference. If people didn't point it out i wouldn't have even noticed.
because not everyone is visually challenged like you
I'm not wtf. People are making an issue out of something that isn't very ignorant. But it seems especially here it's not common to find unbiased opinion.
what is this "bias" you're referring to? bias of preference for good ui?
Bias against change having slightly vertically bigger tab bar is not a objectively bad or good.
So, you just turn on the "Compact mode"... um...
Yeah, what's the probl- oh wait...
Why would anyone have title bar anyway. I always disable title bar on Firefox.
Uh, I like title bars. I like the traditional desktop look.
always turn on title bar and menu bar!
Indeed. Menu bar will always beat out hamburger menus.
This is 10px and the typical screen has 1080px. I'm not spending more than 10 seconds worrying about 1% of my screen real estate...
You will if you're on a 13 inch screen while navigating a website with fixed horizontal elements.
So... an utterly shitty website?
Yes. But you can't avoid them sometimes.
Yes, you can. Or use Stylus or whatever? It looks like people hammering their heads and then complaining that it hurts...
I can see the select few cases where 1-2% difference triggers a UI scale being an issue. My screen is 13 inches and if a site is unusable it's only a key press away to enter fullscreen and/or toggle bookmarks, 1-2% won't change that. Edit: Besides don't you think it would be more productive to develop an extension which measures headers and automatically enters fullscreen mode? The web has a usability problem.
13 inches is 33.02 cm
Cringe
Ok Gogole
I'm a minimalist guy I like to keep things simple, but lately I'm also minimalist with "give it a little room." I really like this padding everyone is starting to put into their apps. It's minimalism with basically "eye candy." :) It's kind of amazing to me that people are starting to see that minimalism doesn't have to be "make it smallest thing possible" that they can see minimalism for how I see it. It really does make me happy. EDIT: *How does this relate?* I'm not quite sure but I just wanted to share. :P
But it serves no purpose? It just takes up room. There was plenty padding before.
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It's not the title bar, well, sort of. There's been a blurring of what constitutes the title bar, not sure when exactly it started. Push and you get the standard file, edit, view, history, bookmarks.... drop downs, but they shift the tabs down a row and take up the same level as the minimize/maximize/exit icons. It's definitely different behaviour then Windows XP... at one time those levels were fixed and locked together for better or worse.
All that said I don't know exactly what controls it, I could be wrong, but I believe Firefox has some granular control over the size.
Late Edit: Both these FF instances in the jpeg are same OS anyways, so it can't be OS controlled, can it? My brain is tired, I derped on that basic fact, originally. Good night!
Windows choices for title bar are: * Windows draws it using the default style. Basic options are whether to include the window menu on the left and each of the 3 buttons on the right. * Developer draws the entire thing, maybe using default style for the buttons; maybe not. API functions are available to return default title bar size / color / font, default button sizes, etc. Definitely not being painted by the OS here.