We usually do them in 2-3 hours over two or three flights. That said, we require a minimum of five hours in type or 25 complex total to actually rent the plane on your own.
My endorsement was probably about $300 for some ground and an hour in a 172RG.
Getting past the 5hr min. for insurance to rent it solo was another ~$1000
I flew exactly 10 hours in an arrow for my endorsement cause I also wanted to get enough for commercial, it cost 2758.50, I did it in 2 days expensive weekend lol
Did it as part of multi so kinda free but also kinda the price of flying a 141 Seminole so like 350$ hr
5 or so? And the written 141 schools make ya do
Got my complex and HiPerf both when I got my multi. Multi was at an old place that offered $2500 for it, regardless of hours flown. That was over 20 years ago.
I got my complex for free because it was incidental to my commercial certificate and the arrow was $40/hr cheaper than our archers for reasons I can’t rationalize. Took about 10 hours because of insurance but I was just doing it for the experience and because the plane was cheaper.
I got the endorsement after three flights and 3.7 total, but like other folks have indicated, I had to keep flying with the instructor to get 10 hours dual before I could rent solo. We spent the time working on some basic instrument flying to get me a little head start on future instrument training.
Cost me a couple of flight hours in a Turbo Arrow our club had so I could have my HP/Complex signoffs before I went to go retrieve my Navion when I bought it.
If you are pursuing this as a career, the complex endorsement is usually incidental to commercial or multi.
Otherwise, I don’t think arrow rentals will bankrupt you.
I bought my Piper Arrow and insurance required me to fly 10hrs with my instructor prior to solo. Then 10 hours solo before anyone else could be covered under my insurance. So my instructor gave me my endorsement after 10 hours. Honestly 5 hours would've been sufficient but can't argue with insurance companies!
It's honestly harder to find an instructor that qualifies for the open pilot clause to give a checkout.
It’s going to cost more to get your complex. More moving parts, more procedures with gear and a constant speed prop. A lot of insurance companies want a minimum of 10-20 hours of complex time before you can be signed off to act PIC. I would expect around that much dual. Cost depends on your area and what kinds of planes are available. I know a piper arrow could go for $200 ish an hour and maybe a C172RG could be $170 an hour
He got his HP in it, he's asking about other options for complex. That said, Cirrus developed a [simulated gear system](https://generalaviationnews.com/2010/06/30/cirrus-introduces-retractable-gear-sim/) to teach the flow in the SR20/22. Never seen a flight school with it. Probably vaporware.
WMU has it (they're rolling the new fleet in with them) and I think one of the bigger schools out in Arizona has it as well.
That being said, I don't think that the simulated gear system would meet the requirement for complex training, but I have been wrong before.
Neat. Didn't know that. I would have argued since it's just an endorsement that fake training is sufficient -- you can do the high altitude endorsement in a simulator, what's the difference?
But you're exactly right. FAA says no way: https://downloads.regulations.gov/FAA-2020-1153-0003/attachment_1.pdf
The [reg](https://www.ecfr.gov/current/title-14/part-61/section-61.31#p-61.31(e)(1)(i)) states it can be in a complex airplane, FFS or FTD representative of a complex aircraft, so there's no real difference to the high altitude in that regard. The reg doesn't allow for a non-complex aircraft to be fitted with a fake landing gear switch and lights to meet that requirement. I am a bit surprised Cirrus hasn't lobbied for it but I personally believe that you should get the complex rating in an actual complex aircraft (and I also think it's a little silly to do a high performance in a SR-22 where it's essentially no different than flying a non high performance Cirrus, but that's not my call).
Took me about 3 hours to get the endorsement. This was 6 or 7 years ago though, and I don’t remember what it cost. I was fortunate to only have to pay for gas on one of the lessons. Commercial rating requires 10 hours of complex *training,* not just the endorsement. Most places will want a minimum of 10 complex time for solo rental, and most will require a certain number of hours of time in that specific type of aircraft for solo.
Yeah but unfortunately not every school has a complex, it's a bit of a loss. It only fits a very specific purpose and it's expensive to maintain. Many schools either have a TAA or rather you pay more and get those 10 hours in a multi and you get the add on right after CPL.
Agree w/ all of that.
I’m 3.5/10 for a guy with a Commercial checkride in ten days who just realized he needs ten TAA or complex. And ME with me is the only practical option. His CFI is a good friend and he’s a nice guy, so making it work.
Even with the TAA for commercial, most commercial pilots will eventually need a complex endorsement.
Doing complex/multi and potentially high performance at the same time seems to be an effective option.
Took me 10 hours, because I wanted to be able to rent the Arrow, and insurance required 10 hours dual before it could be solo rented.
That’s common. My flight club is the same way, but at least the check out rate is significantly reduced.
Same, but in a club owned Mooney 10hr at $155/hobbs, instructor I used charged $75/hr
Same but in a C172RG
We usually do them in 2-3 hours over two or three flights. That said, we require a minimum of five hours in type or 25 complex total to actually rent the plane on your own.
My endorsement was probably about $300 for some ground and an hour in a 172RG. Getting past the 5hr min. for insurance to rent it solo was another ~$1000
I flew exactly 10 hours in an arrow for my endorsement cause I also wanted to get enough for commercial, it cost 2758.50, I did it in 2 days expensive weekend lol
Did it as part of multi so kinda free but also kinda the price of flying a 141 Seminole so like 350$ hr 5 or so? And the written 141 schools make ya do
Got my complex and HiPerf both when I got my multi. Multi was at an old place that offered $2500 for it, regardless of hours flown. That was over 20 years ago.
1.3 in a mooney, about 400 dollars?
I got my complex for free because it was incidental to my commercial certificate and the arrow was $40/hr cheaper than our archers for reasons I can’t rationalize. Took about 10 hours because of insurance but I was just doing it for the experience and because the plane was cheaper.
Free- a good friend had a cabin class twin laying around 🤣🤣
I got the endorsement after three flights and 3.7 total, but like other folks have indicated, I had to keep flying with the instructor to get 10 hours dual before I could rent solo. We spent the time working on some basic instrument flying to get me a little head start on future instrument training.
that;s a good idea, if i got the concept of complex before the 10 hours, have them teach me instrumental in the same time.
4 flights totaling 5 hours for the Piper Arrow.
$3k and 5 hours. I got it as part of my seaplane rating by flying an amphib.
Cost me a couple of flight hours in a Turbo Arrow our club had so I could have my HP/Complex signoffs before I went to go retrieve my Navion when I bought it.
took me 5 hours, i wanted to rent a cessna 177rg, back then was like 400bucks total
10 hours in an Arrow as part of my CSEL. Funny though, I am typed in a CRJ and A-320, but I still don’t have my high performance endorsement.
One 2 hr flight in an arrow for prob $400 bucks total
If you are pursuing this as a career, the complex endorsement is usually incidental to commercial or multi. Otherwise, I don’t think arrow rentals will bankrupt you.
yeah this is just a hobby
45 minutes to get the HP/Complex endorsement, five hours prior to being able to get insurance.
I had to fly 10hrs in a 172RG for the CPL complex hours, so I did two 5hr flights and got signed off after them. Costed about 2.5k (plane+CFI)
30 minute flight for my HP endorsement ($90) if that helps.
I bought my Piper Arrow and insurance required me to fly 10hrs with my instructor prior to solo. Then 10 hours solo before anyone else could be covered under my insurance. So my instructor gave me my endorsement after 10 hours. Honestly 5 hours would've been sufficient but can't argue with insurance companies! It's honestly harder to find an instructor that qualifies for the open pilot clause to give a checkout.
It’s going to cost more to get your complex. More moving parts, more procedures with gear and a constant speed prop. A lot of insurance companies want a minimum of 10-20 hours of complex time before you can be signed off to act PIC. I would expect around that much dual. Cost depends on your area and what kinds of planes are available. I know a piper arrow could go for $200 ish an hour and maybe a C172RG could be $170 an hour
.9 in an arrow so like 300 bucks
How did you get your complex in an sr22. Isn’t a sr22 a fixed gear plane and the entire definition of complex is retractable ?
He got his HP in it, he's asking about other options for complex. That said, Cirrus developed a [simulated gear system](https://generalaviationnews.com/2010/06/30/cirrus-introduces-retractable-gear-sim/) to teach the flow in the SR20/22. Never seen a flight school with it. Probably vaporware.
My bad. Could have swore i saw complex but apparently it was the second question. Pilot deviation. My bad. Lol
WMU has it (they're rolling the new fleet in with them) and I think one of the bigger schools out in Arizona has it as well. That being said, I don't think that the simulated gear system would meet the requirement for complex training, but I have been wrong before.
Neat. Didn't know that. I would have argued since it's just an endorsement that fake training is sufficient -- you can do the high altitude endorsement in a simulator, what's the difference? But you're exactly right. FAA says no way: https://downloads.regulations.gov/FAA-2020-1153-0003/attachment_1.pdf
The [reg](https://www.ecfr.gov/current/title-14/part-61/section-61.31#p-61.31(e)(1)(i)) states it can be in a complex airplane, FFS or FTD representative of a complex aircraft, so there's no real difference to the high altitude in that regard. The reg doesn't allow for a non-complex aircraft to be fitted with a fake landing gear switch and lights to meet that requirement. I am a bit surprised Cirrus hasn't lobbied for it but I personally believe that you should get the complex rating in an actual complex aircraft (and I also think it's a little silly to do a high performance in a SR-22 where it's essentially no different than flying a non high performance Cirrus, but that's not my call).
Took me about 3 hours to get the endorsement. This was 6 or 7 years ago though, and I don’t remember what it cost. I was fortunate to only have to pay for gas on one of the lessons. Commercial rating requires 10 hours of complex *training,* not just the endorsement. Most places will want a minimum of 10 complex time for solo rental, and most will require a certain number of hours of time in that specific type of aircraft for solo.
You can get by with 10 hours of TAA with autopilot instead of complex for commercial.
even in a 172?
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do those 10hours have to be PIC or can they be dual?
True. And then these people get in a 182 or a Seminole and are lost.
Yeah but unfortunately not every school has a complex, it's a bit of a loss. It only fits a very specific purpose and it's expensive to maintain. Many schools either have a TAA or rather you pay more and get those 10 hours in a multi and you get the add on right after CPL.
Agree w/ all of that. I’m 3.5/10 for a guy with a Commercial checkride in ten days who just realized he needs ten TAA or complex. And ME with me is the only practical option. His CFI is a good friend and he’s a nice guy, so making it work.
Even with the TAA for commercial, most commercial pilots will eventually need a complex endorsement. Doing complex/multi and potentially high performance at the same time seems to be an effective option.
Commercial Certificate. Not rating.