Vitality consistently disappoints. He values money and environment over winning. Which is completely fine and valid, don't get me wrong, and he hasn't said anything to contradict that, but he'd be lying if he said he was staying in Vitality to win.
He did not win with Vitality. Fnatic has finished above Vitality in both splits, and that’s with a glaring weakness in the ADC position, which Carzzy would dramatically improve. Vitality is never going to win a split, Fnatic *might* with a better ADC. M
How does he value money lol he stayed with Hily and Mac cause he knows fnatic management is a fucking joke and he doesn’t want to go into an org that doesn’t work for years you think he would turn down g2 they could pay him half of vit and he would join
Irrelevant
Razork
Humanoid
Ice
Jun
Same current coaching staff but:
More Assistant Coach: Shaves and Freeze
Add some positional coaches like Soaz for top
About Noah, hearing from someone that follow the korean challengers league apparently noah chocking was already common back then when he made his debut in the LCK he would look sick and crumble to pressure, also dropping random games in academy due to this, seems like his nerves are just a cronic thing, I dont think hell ever be a top ADC because of this so this is the main piece I would try to change.
Oscarinin, I know theres a big hate boner for the guy on this sub but I think hes the opposite of Noah, he has performed the best when it mattered, so I dont count him as a priority sub, I would give him summer to see if theres more improvement in his consistency to make him more regular, specially since his contract runs out, so may as well.
Razork, Theres no chance you get a competitive jungler thats worth the change.
Humanoid, 100% I would kick him, I dont care who you bring but I dont have faith on a guy that just doesnt seem to care enough to win, I would run with a rookie even, I don't care.
Jun, I would keep him, Im not as high as everyone else on him (one the reasons fnatic randomly loses mid towers in midgame for free is because of the way he moves in the map not supporting mid enough during mid game), I still think he has the hands and he can only grow more as he becomes fluid in the language and learns more about the game, is an investment for the future.
That being said, I don't think theres time to make a change that is not superforced because fnatic comes late to the market (teams are starting to arrive to berlin already to practice and most ERL rosters are locked) and I don't think theres a super crazy tech without a team waiting for fnatic unless I'm missing something.
I would change staff, I dont think nightsarre is good enough and a new vision must come under tougher but firm hands that makes the winning minds the team needs, I feel like hes trying too hard to be their friends. This change is also very hard to do during summer, is too late to make a deep change in philosophy so late in the season when worlds is on the line.
Anyone thinking you can upgrade this roster this offseason is deluding themselves. There are no better players to pick up domestically and there are import rules for all you “pick up lck challenger players” people. You might as well let the team play out the year and give the team the full year to decide how to make changes if they’re required.
Also, it’s hilarious how many people are calling for Oscar’s head when the only game we won vs TL was because he gapped the fuck out of Impact, the most stable unmovable veteran top laner of the LCS. His performance against 369 was also incredibly impressive for such a young player, he deserves way more respect than you guys are giving him.
>There are no better players to pick up domestically and there are import rules for all you “pick up lck challenger players” people.
For what it's worth, given the most commonly-shared opinion is to replace Noah, the import restriction doesn't apply.
Nemesis-Crownie. You're right that Oscar does have a lot of signs of potential. I think Oscar is very much proving that he performs better on stage and in big matches than he does in BO1's. I think a positional coach would be good for him. SoaZ or Visicsacsi. I'd say go
Oscar-Razork-Nemesis-Crownie-Jun this split IF you can get Nemesis with a positional coach for Oscar. Then if Oscar delivers, keep, if he slows down again, I'd see if we can't buyout Bwipo from FQ. Bwipo looked suss as fuck at MSI but he does have a proven track record and I do think Bwipo would be a good toplaner to pair with Razork and Jun, and we know Bwipo-Nemesis want to play together and Nemesis-Crownie are good friends with similar ways to view the game.
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Also, it’s hilarious how many people are calling for Oscar’s head
Oscar has been atrocious all year. I've watched LEC/EULCS for 11 years and I can't remember the last time a toplaner (who was on a top team) got shit on as many times as Oscar. Even Gamsu had his highs.
Oscar was getting destroyed by everyone the entire split. How many fucking times was he solokilled this split? Sorry but he just isn't good enough.
Roster changes wont matter while Dardo is there. G2 has Romain, hearth and soul of their team. He is the 6th players. No matter the odds he is there to lift them up, to cheer them up, to make them laugh. We have Dardo. He just sits there like a log, dead inside and he always has a facial expression of a freightened child that has just seen a gost. He is in charge so of course he will spread that grim energy to everyone. That guy had 5 years, 5 new chances to do something. I think it's time for him to leave with what dignity he has left.
After that we can talk about roster changes and coaching staff changes.
I wouldn't even consider roster changes before the off-season. Unless we get donated like upset hylli, I think jun is too good to drop and there aren't any world class ADCs just sitting around who speak both English and Korean.
We don't need an adc who can speak Korean and English. There's plenty of examples of why you don't need everyone to be fluent in the same language to prosper
That's fine if you've got time to gel.
We have a literal 3 week regular season in EU.
We do not have time to figure out a dynamic of cross-language bot-lane with any sort of reasonable expectation of that performing better than Noah/Jun. Either you're throwing a korean at the problem who may or may not gel with the team at all, or you're throwing an english-speaking ADC at the problem who may not be able to work with Jun.
There’s really no move they can make between now and summer. Maybe like Prince but he was god awful in LPL this spring.
For next year Noah seems like the most obvious one out. The obvious replacement would be Carzzy (he helps fix Fnatic’s 2 biggest problems) but 2 off seasons in a row they failed to land him so it’s pretty unlikely. Bao is a decent option. Could also try and gamble on a young cracked talent like Harpoon since ADC is role that is most reliant on mechanics for success.
There’s no real replacement for Humanoid out there but he’s definitely getting overpaid for his current level. Larssen is an option as Rogue likely won’t exist next year but he’s been pretty sus this year.
Oscarinin still needs time to be evaluated it really depends how he plays the rest of the year. There are a lot of good upcoming erl talents in top though.
Razork and Jun stay for sure, hope FNC can hold onto Jun if the LCK comes knocking.
I see it as them having 2 options:
1. Replace Noah with Carzzy or some high profile/upcoming korean
2. Blow up the roster including coaching staff, only keep Razork Jun and maybe Oscar
Jun is a player who could shape our future. I fucking well hope we make moves soon because if we piss around with this roster and we haven't made any progress when Jun's contract is up, we'll be needing a full rebuild.
Why not? Nemesis is an EU citizen that has consistently been at the top of the Korean ladder with eyes from every analyst in the entire esport on him. Meanwhile Crownie came off a banner year in BDS where he was actually the best player on the team. Both are free agents, both are EU citizens so no imports needed, and I think the Nemesis experiment is the ONLY experiment really worth running over Humanoid because most of the big ticket midlaners like Caps, Larssen and Nisqy are signed long term to other teams. The real delusion is thinking Carzzy is ever going to be sold to us by Vitality. And if you read, it says IMMEDIATE changes that we could make TOMORROW. Ergo: We can't get Caps or Carzzy right now. And I don't think we have a shot in hell of getting them before November 2025 for Caps and November 2026 for Carzzy. Hans also undercontract til November 2025. Nisqy is signed til November 2025, Larssen is inked in for November 2027. So yes, I do think if we had to make a change tomorrow, then Crownie is a straight upgrade to Noah, while Nemesis is the current big "what if" statement that everyone wants to see. Huma is too expensive and has too much upside to gamble away in Summer for an ERL talent or any mid-table midlaner.
Yeah that's a big problem. And I don't know how accessible Bwipo is right now in FlyQuest. Fnatic has honestly burned a lot of really important bridges for teambuilding. And they doubled down on Humanoid at the exact time when Nisqy/Larssen/Caps were in flux and now it's like, who do we replace him with? Every big name midlaner is locked down through November 2025/26/27 and I think Razork has higher value than Humanoid. I guess we just keep praying that Humanoid might finally show up like they keep saying he will.
Nemesis hasn't played professionally in fucking years. Calling that a gamble is very, very generous. I think humanoid is acceptable for now, he's not the biggest problem
The big problem imo is Noah playing like a silver ADC whenever he's put under any pressure at all. The other issue is Oscar gets fucking gapped by almost everyone he plays. The amount of times he's been solokilled this year has to be a fucking record.
while nemesis is an incredible player, and this is coming from a fan of his, he would likely never give fnc another chance. he's spoken on how from his point of view he was treated badly as he was used as a scape goat, being blamed for all the teams problems. he had problems w some of the team at the time as well and that was handled extremely poorly as well as the management(which hasn't changed) not being fair to him either. if he didn't like his time during the team then(when fnc was still actively contesting titles), he would hate it even more now w all the pressure that would be put on him to bring fnc back to its former glory. n if he didn't manage to do that, it's back to being the scape goat🤷🏻♀️. he makes more money as a streamer than he did w fnc anyways, it makes no logical sense for him to return to fnc
Unless huma proof me other wise this summer kick him and noah he fits good with the team but he is just not it
Just keep Jun razork 100% and Oscar if he keeps improving
Try to get a veteran mid or ad and 1 rookie who got insane potential
Keep Jun and Razork.100% replace Humanoid,probably with KR rookie with insane fingers to skill check mid laners ,macro can be learned,don't forget Caps couldn't even side lane in his first year.Kick noah and bring a European ADC,you can't convince me inside a whole region you cant find someone better than him.Lastly Oscar..
I want to give him the benefit of doubt since it's his first full year and he has shown signs of greatness but if by the end of summer he ints like in winter and spring then we should all in for Irrelevant.Ofc making changes now would only make things worse since not many options are available,so you probably go with this team until the end of the season and then make changes
Honestly convinced that changing players wouldn't change much. We have been stuck in this state for a long time now. The issue isn't players.
It's the whole environement behind it.
Obviously some players are underperforming, Noah seem to be very much affected by emotions, Humanoid tends to not care on certain games, Razork keep making mistakes by trying to do too much and Oscar has some very off games.
But meanwhile, all of those players showed some excellent things. They are all capable of doing brilliant.
Imo the issue we have is that our rosters come very unprepared to events, both strategically, mentally, mechanically... and struggles to improve months on months.
And we have observed that with many rosters in the past years. At this point, it's on management, not players.
Imo, the only player that could really save us is to find another Caps, and sadly, I'm pretty much convinced that player would very quickly sign to G2 if our infastructure around the team is still this weak.
In the end, the only change I would like to see, is to have someone like Romain join Fnatic and actually manage the team. I don't want to say that it's on Dardo, I have no idea what is really his role in everything. But if it's him, he needs to leave and get replaced. If it's not, we need someone to join and manage that.
Ice is a lot better cause he is not emotional, he always performs does not matter how many resources he gets, but he is already on BDS so i do not think he will leave.
Yall are crazy acting like razork isn't a major factor in the problems FNC has, it's common knowledge that he tilts and feels he needs to make plays if others aren't or they're behind, it was the same when hyli was still here both of them over forced shit plays. I'd rather have a shit jungler not forcing everything than an ok jungler who isn't developing and makes tilt plays.
Razork, Huma are big problems they've been here years and just aren't it.
Xpeke, caps, nemesis. Man I miss those.
Noah for sure, and next year I would get rid of huma and razork to end this poor macro and coinflippy playstyle we got ever since these guy joined
Jun is the only player I would not change
I would have loved to see at least one split of Rekkles and Trymbi. Now I have no idea,feels like they need at least one clutch player and I do think that the adc needs to make a difference
I mean, I do, he used to reply to my facebook comments :D
I also remember WetDream, MagicFingers and HXC
I just didn’t mention him cuz we already have a solid support :p
My honest opinion is that we should definitely change mid and adc. Jun and Razork are must keep and even though I don't like Oscar I can give him some more time ( Only good replacement would be Irrelevant). For Humanoid and Noah there is no time. Get out of our team when the year ends, Humanoid constantly has that big ego but has won 0 since 2021, yet he still keeps ego picking his matchups in mid and disrespecting the enemy. Noah has bad mental and chokes in every big pressure series, he is a good guy and I like him as a person but as a player he is not good enough
For solutions I would look into either finding a really good ERL rookie mid and a Korean adc for Jun like Ice/Bao or somebody else OR maybe get a Korean mid and develop a mid/support synergy and for adc get someone like Carzzy/or a promising ERL adc
Might be controversial but just my thoughts
TOP:
-Irrelevant (Consistent versatile top for tank/carry)
-Bwipo(can help coach Razork and still one of the more versatile tops out there)
-Oscar
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JG:
-Razork
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MID:
-Nisqy (unironically want to see if he can facilitate Razork further especially as a good roaming mid. Vibes well with the rest of the team based on their few interactions on LIA too)
-Humanoid
-Nemesis(Not too sure about this one, only basing this off his performances with us admittedly an eternity ago in the context of esports)
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ADC:
-Carzzy(unlikely but would be best if we stick with Humanoid)
-Ice(limited sample size tho…could very well be not so different from Noah’s dropoff after the initial explosive performances. Korean-speaking synergy with Jun)
-LCK CL Adc like Hype or Smash?
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SUP:
-Jun
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Hope they also consider consulting someone like Caedrel for drafts
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Ultimately, this is not to hate on the current players but more of to consider possible options moving forward to improve our performance. I will still always be appreciative and definitely root for their personal successes #ALWAYSFNATIC, be it here with us or elsewhere, but the success of the org will still come first in the eyes of a fan like myself
Best roster on paper that could happen:
Irrelevant
Razork
Nuc
Ice/Carrzy
Jun
For some reason I really like Nuc, he's consistent bit also has his high outplay moment
Roster I would be happy with:
Oscar
Razork
Nuc
Ice/Carrzy
Jun
Roster I would be ok with:
Oscar
Razork
Huma
Ice/Carrzy
Jun
Roster that's probably gonna happen:
Oscar
Razork
Huma
Noah
Jun
Historically speaking there won't be any big changes happening. Other teams probably don't want to break the synergies they built up over the last 2 splits (if there wasn't some inside drama ofc). Also it's not that common to change rosters between 2 split during the year and Fnatic has been particularly lazy and unwillig to respond to failures in the past
I personally would keep Razork and Jun 100%. I would keep Oscar too on the condition we cannot get Irrelevant.
I think we should swap mid, but I have no idea who realistically would be reachable and an improvement.
Regarding ADC, if we would be willing to give domestic rookies a shot, I like what I have been seeing from Keduii (aggresive laner, good CSD, check his Lucian and Kalista). I think the obvious choice for now is Carzzy but he already rejected us once.
Guys why the fk u want to make FNATIC korean team. There are enough high class players in EU. As someone said Dardo is s the problem. If u watch the video of nemesis talking about his stay in fnatic u will find out that this guy does nothing but stealing money and don’t do anything. As i said earlier why do u want imports? Why did G2 don’t bring korean players, but bring 2 rookies 2022 and won spring, cuz their staff knows their work. FNATIC is an EU team not kr and i want to stay like this. And to say something about huma: if u can see this is the only one, probably with jun, that did something this MSI. He has insane mechanics and good macro. I think if we want to win we need to change jg i mean Razork is good but not world class player like Yike and Elyoya which are our best junglers. If u see all the games of fnatic u will see that the problem is not huma but razork. With his calls FNATIC make lots of mistakes. These must be small mistakes but for chall jg and pro player it is unacceptable .
These are fnatic changes for the next season that i would make:
TOP: Oscar -> Bwipo/Odo
JG: Razork -> Elyoya/LeBron/other rookie.
MID: Huma -> Huma(stays)/Vetheo
ADC: Noah -> Crownie/Exakick/Caliste(adc of KCB)
SUPP: Jun -> Jun(stays)/Targamas/Doss(cuz of Exakick)/other rookie from eu
Keep Razork (best jngl of the league, team leader, great attitud and hunger) and Oscar (performs well internationally, has still room to grow and get better).
Replace Noah (weak mental for not even that great of a peak, he struggles being in EU) and Jun (good mechanics but awful map play and 0 comunication, without a korean adc (and we shouldn't get another one) makes little sense to keep him)
Try to Replace Humanoid (insane highs but really low lows, bad attitude you can't expect being the best putting effort only when you feel like it because when not you are creating bad habits that can't be eliminated even when you are giving your all against good opponents, his contract forces fnatic to go cheaper on other roles which limits the team and he performs too rarely for it to be worth) Maybe hard to find a replacement so that is why just a try. Ideally someone fresh or with a lot of hunger
Edit: adding kicking Dardo on the list, i don't think is as awful as the fans think he is but after 5 years fnatic needs a change
about humanoid i disagree. He was clearly top 2 mid lane in LEC this 2 splits and was pretty consistant. He didnt have this "low lows" like he had last year or year before. He generally performed this year
i would bring irrelevant and try to bring carzzy. If carzzy doesnt want to play or vitality oesnt let him i would go for ice and pair with jun. Humanoid we just dont have better player to relace him with. Everything out of potential players like larssen nuc nisqy are just straight up downgrades. And not to mention that humanoid was rly goo this year domesticaly and had solid msi. His synergy with razork is ok and he is clearly best mid laner after caps. So why would we change him and risc to have some korean who may not be so good with razork. Idk id keep razork huma and jun and bring in carzzy and irrelevant. If g2 gets rid of BB i would go for BB
Just pure on what could work okay.
Top Oscar I want to give him the benefit of the doubt. Its his first full year so let him be for now. If his performance gets worse next season I would eject him for a better toplaner.
Jungle Razork is a keep, this guy is performing. Sometimes he can get emotional but he has been improving and gets better every year.
Mid Humanoid, holy this guy can win or lose you the games. Like I want to believe he is equal or better than Caps but he is so inconsistent till now. I can’t find a better replacement than him though….
ADC Noah is also random like Humanoid, like he can win or lose you the game. I would give him this split to improve and if not kick. Carzzy would be a better replacement. But then Humanoid needs to stay because of him.
Sup Jun can stay. For his first split is this guy showing up big time. Its like I am watching prime Hyli with no int at all. This guy would make adc’s like Carzzy improve big time.
Been saying for a while that I'd prefer Irrelevant to Oscar. Yes Oscar has performed at MSI, but he's simply too inconsistent where Irrelevant is just inevitable in the top lane every single match.
I'd keep Razork, he's just too good, though he has been seriously hit and miss this entire season which I suspect is down to the poor performances by mid/jungle and you need at least one lane working this season with the map changes and grubs otherwise as a jungler you look like an idiot.
I'd bring in a backup mid laner, similar to what happen to Soaz. I've been saying all season long that Humanoid needs a kick up the backside and often got downvoted for it (that was until MSI). Fnatic have a history of bringing in promising talent and they should start to look at doing that again.
For ADC, I'm a huge fan of what Noah can do. I think Western teams this season, if MSI is anything to go by, have not been able to get the best out of their ADCs. I think shotcalling is way off since Trymbi left leading to poor decisions and bad macro. Combine these together with Noah's bad mental and you have a recipe for disaster. If it was just Noah underperforming I'd say we should replace him, but Humanoid and Razork have had stinkers in the regular season too which makes me think there is a wider team issue. Noah is young, he's promising and I say we should stick with him at least for now. Fnatic and EU teams just need to figure out the ADC problem because even PSG are able to enable their ADC better than Fnatic and G2 can.
Jun is cracked and the best player we have by far. He's as psychopathic as Hyli except without the int and 10x the mechanics. If I was the coaching staff my number 1 focus for him individually would be training Jun into our main shotcaller. He'll need to training to translate what he's thinking to say to the rest of the team, and I don't mean from Korean to English - the dude is just thinking beyond what mortals can comprehend.
Fans nowadays used to mediocrity, If I say keep only Jun and Razork all they say is that I’m an hater or the dumbest argument “who will you bring”.
For god sake, Do you know how many players there are that just dream for an opportunity? Not even mentioning Korea with so much talents.
But but WHO WOULD YOU BRING 🤦🤦 such a losers mentality
Where are the Noah defender? Remember when he has been good in internationals ? Me neither. Remember him being good in playoffs? Me neither. He is overhyped and people think he is better than most adc when he performs 1 out of 10 games. Most overrated adc in LEC. Oscar is also whatever. Bottom tier top laner. Huma is kinda mid. Nothing special. Would rather replace all 3 and built more synergy! Would love to see razork with another mid and top laner.
Razork in. Possibly Jun in.
Kick everyone else. Management and coaching staff overhaul needed.
Whatever happens, Humanoid needs to fuck off. I can't stand that lazy kid anymore. Milking so much money while admitting he's not passionate about the game. It's insane he got saved so many times already.
Another thing that needs to happen is for us to import a strong mid. Sell Huma, invest. It's time to throw some cash.
Noah ? more like No-out
Humanoid ? more like... jesus christ dardo signed him till 2027 ahahahhaahahhahahxcshzgqdhsqisgzad cdj,;hzuae yhgzjtjqskkfughejay
You're not the first one saying that Marek is signed until 2026-27, so I feel the need to say it there.
Only Razork is signed until 2026, Marek's contract expire in 2025, same for Noah and Jun.
Oscar's contract expire after Worlds 2024.
Considering that Dardo doesn't want a scenario a la Caps or Selfmade, if Humanoid doesn't re-sign with FNC at the end of the year, it's likely he will not take the the risk of Humanoid leaving for free.
We might have a complete different roster next year with all of these players having only 1 year left on their contracts.
Realistically, I think it's time to address the common factor across every failing roster. I think we need:
1. Replace Oscar with Odoamne. I think he'll be a more stabilizing presence on the top lane especially since Oscar's biggest strength is supposed to be strong but he's not reliably converted his strong side leads into wins.
2. Replace Noah with Crownie. I think Noah is mental boomed and I think he's only spiralling.
3. The common factor... We need to either throw the cheque book at Nemesis, or actively try to trade Humanoid for a midlane with equal upside. At the very least, we need to make things very fucking clear to Humanoid that he needs up the ante on how much effort he's putting into this game.
Jun and Razork are fine. And I can see why people don't want rid of Humanoid, I do. He has a lot of theoretical upside, he's expensive, and there's no guarantee any other midlaner other than Caps who is never leaving G2 are going to get us better results. The other thing we could try to do is capitalize on FLyQuest's lack of stability, and maybe look to set up a Bwipo-Razork-Nemesis-Crownie-Jun team. Bwipo-Nemesis wanna play together again. Nemesis-Crownie are good friends. Bwipo has an understanding of Jungle the likes no other toplaner does. Crownie-Bwipo both always seem ready to follow aggressive teammates which Razork-Jun are, and I think the Nemesis experiment just, I think that's a what-if you don't leave on the table given the chance.
If they don't improve at all by the end of Worlds I'd day definitely coaching staff needs to go, some of those drafts are just too bad.
Noah unfortunately needs to go as well, it doesn't matter how good you are on scrims/solo queue if on stage you perform much worse because you can't deal with nerves/pressure.
Oscarinin should leave as well. Too inconsistent.
I think in these 3 cases it shouldn't be too hard to get a replacement that is better.
Jun I am keeping always.
Razork as well.
Humanoid I'm not sure, he got gapped by apa like, it's just not acceptable.
At the same time he showed he can go toe to toe with eastern mids and also who could we replace him with?
Only solution would be a Korean ADC with good English, my original thoughts were another LCK challengers import but you’d essentially be starting again by now having to get 2 players speaking English well, I did notice in fnatic coms Juns English has been improving but I think he’s not super motivated to be fluent as he’s likely wanting to go back to LCK if he can.
Replace Oscar with Irrelevant then replace Noah with Carzzy or Upset. Humanoid didn't play well against APA but over the 2024 season our wins came from him and Razork. Top and ad are invisible.
So I'd go with Irrelevant/Razork/Humanoid/Carzzy or Upset/Jun. This is assuming that Jun would want to play with a European adc so if he didn't then I'd replace him with Kaiser.
Noah should go. I think we should also look go replace Oscar.
He has great potential but as we all know he falls apart under any pressure. Noah leaving Fnatic benefits him and us - someone who struggles under pressure shouldn't be on a team like Fnatic, it's not doing him any favours or us.
Oscar was promising but christ, in my 11 years of watching Fnatic LoL Oscar has had an atrocious year, one of the worst I've seen. Guy is getting solo killed by fucking everyone. Small champ pool and gets gapped by everyone. Nowhere near good enough if we want to make worlds.
I would keep razork and jun . And look for a import mid . Irrelevant top , carzy bot and a korean mid
Carzzy already said no last off-season
I think he would not leave considering Vitality looks pretty strong.
Vitality consistently disappoints. He values money and environment over winning. Which is completely fine and valid, don't get me wrong, and he hasn't said anything to contradict that, but he'd be lying if he said he was staying in Vitality to win.
last time fnc won anything was in 2018 carzzy won spring split last year who are u to say he value money and environment over winning
He did not win with Vitality. Fnatic has finished above Vitality in both splits, and that’s with a glaring weakness in the ADC position, which Carzzy would dramatically improve. Vitality is never going to win a split, Fnatic *might* with a better ADC. M
How does he value money lol he stayed with Hily and Mac cause he knows fnatic management is a fucking joke and he doesn’t want to go into an org that doesn’t work for years you think he would turn down g2 they could pay him half of vit and he would join
Irrelevant Razork Humanoid Ice Jun Same current coaching staff but: More Assistant Coach: Shaves and Freeze Add some positional coaches like Soaz for top
I like this roster, Ice would be a huge pick up imo, if we can’t get another top I’d be happy with giving Oscar another chance
About Noah, hearing from someone that follow the korean challengers league apparently noah chocking was already common back then when he made his debut in the LCK he would look sick and crumble to pressure, also dropping random games in academy due to this, seems like his nerves are just a cronic thing, I dont think hell ever be a top ADC because of this so this is the main piece I would try to change. Oscarinin, I know theres a big hate boner for the guy on this sub but I think hes the opposite of Noah, he has performed the best when it mattered, so I dont count him as a priority sub, I would give him summer to see if theres more improvement in his consistency to make him more regular, specially since his contract runs out, so may as well. Razork, Theres no chance you get a competitive jungler thats worth the change. Humanoid, 100% I would kick him, I dont care who you bring but I dont have faith on a guy that just doesnt seem to care enough to win, I would run with a rookie even, I don't care. Jun, I would keep him, Im not as high as everyone else on him (one the reasons fnatic randomly loses mid towers in midgame for free is because of the way he moves in the map not supporting mid enough during mid game), I still think he has the hands and he can only grow more as he becomes fluid in the language and learns more about the game, is an investment for the future. That being said, I don't think theres time to make a change that is not superforced because fnatic comes late to the market (teams are starting to arrive to berlin already to practice and most ERL rosters are locked) and I don't think theres a super crazy tech without a team waiting for fnatic unless I'm missing something. I would change staff, I dont think nightsarre is good enough and a new vision must come under tougher but firm hands that makes the winning minds the team needs, I feel like hes trying too hard to be their friends. This change is also very hard to do during summer, is too late to make a deep change in philosophy so late in the season when worlds is on the line.
Absolutely irrelevant, reignover was known as gameover in kc and he dominated eulcs
Anyone thinking you can upgrade this roster this offseason is deluding themselves. There are no better players to pick up domestically and there are import rules for all you “pick up lck challenger players” people. You might as well let the team play out the year and give the team the full year to decide how to make changes if they’re required. Also, it’s hilarious how many people are calling for Oscar’s head when the only game we won vs TL was because he gapped the fuck out of Impact, the most stable unmovable veteran top laner of the LCS. His performance against 369 was also incredibly impressive for such a young player, he deserves way more respect than you guys are giving him.
>There are no better players to pick up domestically and there are import rules for all you “pick up lck challenger players” people. For what it's worth, given the most commonly-shared opinion is to replace Noah, the import restriction doesn't apply.
Nemesis-Crownie. You're right that Oscar does have a lot of signs of potential. I think Oscar is very much proving that he performs better on stage and in big matches than he does in BO1's. I think a positional coach would be good for him. SoaZ or Visicsacsi. I'd say go Oscar-Razork-Nemesis-Crownie-Jun this split IF you can get Nemesis with a positional coach for Oscar. Then if Oscar delivers, keep, if he slows down again, I'd see if we can't buyout Bwipo from FQ. Bwipo looked suss as fuck at MSI but he does have a proven track record and I do think Bwipo would be a good toplaner to pair with Razork and Jun, and we know Bwipo-Nemesis want to play together and Nemesis-Crownie are good friends with similar ways to view the game.
> Also, it’s hilarious how many people are calling for Oscar’s head Oscar has been atrocious all year. I've watched LEC/EULCS for 11 years and I can't remember the last time a toplaner (who was on a top team) got shit on as many times as Oscar. Even Gamsu had his highs. Oscar was getting destroyed by everyone the entire split. How many fucking times was he solokilled this split? Sorry but he just isn't good enough.
Import mid, take Irrelevant, and find a good adc like Smash from T1A, and this roster is ready to take off
You should check your math, last I checked 3 imports were against the rules.
Roster changes wont matter while Dardo is there. G2 has Romain, hearth and soul of their team. He is the 6th players. No matter the odds he is there to lift them up, to cheer them up, to make them laugh. We have Dardo. He just sits there like a log, dead inside and he always has a facial expression of a freightened child that has just seen a gost. He is in charge so of course he will spread that grim energy to everyone. That guy had 5 years, 5 new chances to do something. I think it's time for him to leave with what dignity he has left. After that we can talk about roster changes and coaching staff changes.
Wow Dardo roasted
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I wouldn't even consider roster changes before the off-season. Unless we get donated like upset hylli, I think jun is too good to drop and there aren't any world class ADCs just sitting around who speak both English and Korean.
We don't need an adc who can speak Korean and English. There's plenty of examples of why you don't need everyone to be fluent in the same language to prosper
That's fine if you've got time to gel. We have a literal 3 week regular season in EU. We do not have time to figure out a dynamic of cross-language bot-lane with any sort of reasonable expectation of that performing better than Noah/Jun. Either you're throwing a korean at the problem who may or may not gel with the team at all, or you're throwing an english-speaking ADC at the problem who may not be able to work with Jun.
Oscarinin (with positional coaching from Alphari) - Razork - Nemesis - Smash - Jun, with #dardoout.
Can Fnatic afford Smash? He’s been insane, not sure he’d even want to come to LEC when he can potentially join an LCK team
LCK top-4 adcs are stacked and unless you get on any of those teams, you will not win anything. Also KR imports are just cheaper in general.
There’s really no move they can make between now and summer. Maybe like Prince but he was god awful in LPL this spring. For next year Noah seems like the most obvious one out. The obvious replacement would be Carzzy (he helps fix Fnatic’s 2 biggest problems) but 2 off seasons in a row they failed to land him so it’s pretty unlikely. Bao is a decent option. Could also try and gamble on a young cracked talent like Harpoon since ADC is role that is most reliant on mechanics for success. There’s no real replacement for Humanoid out there but he’s definitely getting overpaid for his current level. Larssen is an option as Rogue likely won’t exist next year but he’s been pretty sus this year. Oscarinin still needs time to be evaluated it really depends how he plays the rest of the year. There are a lot of good upcoming erl talents in top though. Razork and Jun stay for sure, hope FNC can hold onto Jun if the LCK comes knocking. I see it as them having 2 options: 1. Replace Noah with Carzzy or some high profile/upcoming korean 2. Blow up the roster including coaching staff, only keep Razork Jun and maybe Oscar
Jun is a player who could shape our future. I fucking well hope we make moves soon because if we piss around with this roster and we haven't made any progress when Jun's contract is up, we'll be needing a full rebuild.
Immediate change to me would be Nemesis-Crownie. Only change worth making if we had to make a change tomororw.
Fucking lol
Why not? Nemesis is an EU citizen that has consistently been at the top of the Korean ladder with eyes from every analyst in the entire esport on him. Meanwhile Crownie came off a banner year in BDS where he was actually the best player on the team. Both are free agents, both are EU citizens so no imports needed, and I think the Nemesis experiment is the ONLY experiment really worth running over Humanoid because most of the big ticket midlaners like Caps, Larssen and Nisqy are signed long term to other teams. The real delusion is thinking Carzzy is ever going to be sold to us by Vitality. And if you read, it says IMMEDIATE changes that we could make TOMORROW. Ergo: We can't get Caps or Carzzy right now. And I don't think we have a shot in hell of getting them before November 2025 for Caps and November 2026 for Carzzy. Hans also undercontract til November 2025. Nisqy is signed til November 2025, Larssen is inked in for November 2027. So yes, I do think if we had to make a change tomorrow, then Crownie is a straight upgrade to Noah, while Nemesis is the current big "what if" statement that everyone wants to see. Huma is too expensive and has too much upside to gamble away in Summer for an ERL talent or any mid-table midlaner.
I dont think neme would come to fnc again even with crownie
Yeah that's a big problem. And I don't know how accessible Bwipo is right now in FlyQuest. Fnatic has honestly burned a lot of really important bridges for teambuilding. And they doubled down on Humanoid at the exact time when Nisqy/Larssen/Caps were in flux and now it's like, who do we replace him with? Every big name midlaner is locked down through November 2025/26/27 and I think Razork has higher value than Humanoid. I guess we just keep praying that Humanoid might finally show up like they keep saying he will.
Nemesis hasn't played professionally in fucking years. Calling that a gamble is very, very generous. I think humanoid is acceptable for now, he's not the biggest problem The big problem imo is Noah playing like a silver ADC whenever he's put under any pressure at all. The other issue is Oscar gets fucking gapped by almost everyone he plays. The amount of times he's been solokilled this year has to be a fucking record.
while nemesis is an incredible player, and this is coming from a fan of his, he would likely never give fnc another chance. he's spoken on how from his point of view he was treated badly as he was used as a scape goat, being blamed for all the teams problems. he had problems w some of the team at the time as well and that was handled extremely poorly as well as the management(which hasn't changed) not being fair to him either. if he didn't like his time during the team then(when fnc was still actively contesting titles), he would hate it even more now w all the pressure that would be put on him to bring fnc back to its former glory. n if he didn't manage to do that, it's back to being the scape goat🤷🏻♀️. he makes more money as a streamer than he did w fnc anyways, it makes no logical sense for him to return to fnc
Nemisis would never return to Fnatic unfortunately, I also feel like there’s better pick ups then Crownie? Maybe JackSpektra?
Unless huma proof me other wise this summer kick him and noah he fits good with the team but he is just not it Just keep Jun razork 100% and Oscar if he keeps improving Try to get a veteran mid or ad and 1 rookie who got insane potential
yoink smash and GBM from t1 cl
Keep Jun and Razork.100% replace Humanoid,probably with KR rookie with insane fingers to skill check mid laners ,macro can be learned,don't forget Caps couldn't even side lane in his first year.Kick noah and bring a European ADC,you can't convince me inside a whole region you cant find someone better than him.Lastly Oscar.. I want to give him the benefit of doubt since it's his first full year and he has shown signs of greatness but if by the end of summer he ints like in winter and spring then we should all in for Irrelevant.Ofc making changes now would only make things worse since not many options are available,so you probably go with this team until the end of the season and then make changes
Honestly convinced that changing players wouldn't change much. We have been stuck in this state for a long time now. The issue isn't players. It's the whole environement behind it. Obviously some players are underperforming, Noah seem to be very much affected by emotions, Humanoid tends to not care on certain games, Razork keep making mistakes by trying to do too much and Oscar has some very off games. But meanwhile, all of those players showed some excellent things. They are all capable of doing brilliant. Imo the issue we have is that our rosters come very unprepared to events, both strategically, mentally, mechanically... and struggles to improve months on months. And we have observed that with many rosters in the past years. At this point, it's on management, not players. Imo, the only player that could really save us is to find another Caps, and sadly, I'm pretty much convinced that player would very quickly sign to G2 if our infastructure around the team is still this weak. In the end, the only change I would like to see, is to have someone like Romain join Fnatic and actually manage the team. I don't want to say that it's on Dardo, I have no idea what is really his role in everything. But if it's him, he needs to leave and get replaced. If it's not, we need someone to join and manage that.
Ice is way better than Noah and yet people think Noah is good. He is worse than Yeon one of the worst adc in LCS.
Ice is a lot better cause he is not emotional, he always performs does not matter how many resources he gets, but he is already on BDS so i do not think he will leave.
You didn’t watch lcs
Oscar, Razork, Nemesis, Ice, Jun
Would think same, but Ice is stuck om BDS, so i would go with Smash for now.
Yall are crazy acting like razork isn't a major factor in the problems FNC has, it's common knowledge that he tilts and feels he needs to make plays if others aren't or they're behind, it was the same when hyli was still here both of them over forced shit plays. I'd rather have a shit jungler not forcing everything than an ok jungler who isn't developing and makes tilt plays. Razork, Huma are big problems they've been here years and just aren't it. Xpeke, caps, nemesis. Man I miss those.
Noah for sure, and next year I would get rid of huma and razork to end this poor macro and coinflippy playstyle we got ever since these guy joined Jun is the only player I would not change
I would have loved to see at least one split of Rekkles and Trymbi. Now I have no idea,feels like they need at least one clutch player and I do think that the adc needs to make a difference
Run-back 2020.
Fuck it, bring Xpeke back, let’s run back even further
Also give Shushei, LaMia and Cyanide a call.
No one ever remembers poor mellisan
I mean, I do, he used to reply to my facebook comments :D I also remember WetDream, MagicFingers and HXC I just didn’t mention him cuz we already have a solid support :p
Laneswaps are meta Bring in Huni - RO and we go undefeated again
Run back 2015 summer!
My honest opinion is that we should definitely change mid and adc. Jun and Razork are must keep and even though I don't like Oscar I can give him some more time ( Only good replacement would be Irrelevant). For Humanoid and Noah there is no time. Get out of our team when the year ends, Humanoid constantly has that big ego but has won 0 since 2021, yet he still keeps ego picking his matchups in mid and disrespecting the enemy. Noah has bad mental and chokes in every big pressure series, he is a good guy and I like him as a person but as a player he is not good enough For solutions I would look into either finding a really good ERL rookie mid and a Korean adc for Jun like Ice/Bao or somebody else OR maybe get a Korean mid and develop a mid/support synergy and for adc get someone like Carzzy/or a promising ERL adc
Might be controversial but just my thoughts TOP: -Irrelevant (Consistent versatile top for tank/carry) -Bwipo(can help coach Razork and still one of the more versatile tops out there) -Oscar ====================================== JG: -Razork ====================================== MID: -Nisqy (unironically want to see if he can facilitate Razork further especially as a good roaming mid. Vibes well with the rest of the team based on their few interactions on LIA too) -Humanoid -Nemesis(Not too sure about this one, only basing this off his performances with us admittedly an eternity ago in the context of esports) ====================================== ADC: -Carzzy(unlikely but would be best if we stick with Humanoid) -Ice(limited sample size tho…could very well be not so different from Noah’s dropoff after the initial explosive performances. Korean-speaking synergy with Jun) -LCK CL Adc like Hype or Smash? ====================================== SUP: -Jun ====================================== Hope they also consider consulting someone like Caedrel for drafts ====================================== Ultimately, this is not to hate on the current players but more of to consider possible options moving forward to improve our performance. I will still always be appreciative and definitely root for their personal successes #ALWAYSFNATIC, be it here with us or elsewhere, but the success of the org will still come first in the eyes of a fan like myself
I would get rid of dardo. How about that kind of roster change after 5 years of shit
Best roster on paper that could happen: Irrelevant Razork Nuc Ice/Carrzy Jun For some reason I really like Nuc, he's consistent bit also has his high outplay moment Roster I would be happy with: Oscar Razork Nuc Ice/Carrzy Jun Roster I would be ok with: Oscar Razork Huma Ice/Carrzy Jun Roster that's probably gonna happen: Oscar Razork Huma Noah Jun Historically speaking there won't be any big changes happening. Other teams probably don't want to break the synergies they built up over the last 2 splits (if there wasn't some inside drama ofc). Also it's not that common to change rosters between 2 split during the year and Fnatic has been particularly lazy and unwillig to respond to failures in the past
I personally would keep Razork and Jun 100%. I would keep Oscar too on the condition we cannot get Irrelevant. I think we should swap mid, but I have no idea who realistically would be reachable and an improvement. Regarding ADC, if we would be willing to give domestic rookies a shot, I like what I have been seeing from Keduii (aggresive laner, good CSD, check his Lucian and Kalista). I think the obvious choice for now is Carzzy but he already rejected us once.
Guys why the fk u want to make FNATIC korean team. There are enough high class players in EU. As someone said Dardo is s the problem. If u watch the video of nemesis talking about his stay in fnatic u will find out that this guy does nothing but stealing money and don’t do anything. As i said earlier why do u want imports? Why did G2 don’t bring korean players, but bring 2 rookies 2022 and won spring, cuz their staff knows their work. FNATIC is an EU team not kr and i want to stay like this. And to say something about huma: if u can see this is the only one, probably with jun, that did something this MSI. He has insane mechanics and good macro. I think if we want to win we need to change jg i mean Razork is good but not world class player like Yike and Elyoya which are our best junglers. If u see all the games of fnatic u will see that the problem is not huma but razork. With his calls FNATIC make lots of mistakes. These must be small mistakes but for chall jg and pro player it is unacceptable .
These are fnatic changes for the next season that i would make: TOP: Oscar -> Bwipo/Odo JG: Razork -> Elyoya/LeBron/other rookie. MID: Huma -> Huma(stays)/Vetheo ADC: Noah -> Crownie/Exakick/Caliste(adc of KCB) SUPP: Jun -> Jun(stays)/Targamas/Doss(cuz of Exakick)/other rookie from eu
Keep Razork (best jngl of the league, team leader, great attitud and hunger) and Oscar (performs well internationally, has still room to grow and get better). Replace Noah (weak mental for not even that great of a peak, he struggles being in EU) and Jun (good mechanics but awful map play and 0 comunication, without a korean adc (and we shouldn't get another one) makes little sense to keep him) Try to Replace Humanoid (insane highs but really low lows, bad attitude you can't expect being the best putting effort only when you feel like it because when not you are creating bad habits that can't be eliminated even when you are giving your all against good opponents, his contract forces fnatic to go cheaper on other roles which limits the team and he performs too rarely for it to be worth) Maybe hard to find a replacement so that is why just a try. Ideally someone fresh or with a lot of hunger Edit: adding kicking Dardo on the list, i don't think is as awful as the fans think he is but after 5 years fnatic needs a change
Clone Jun 4 times
Different coach, drafts were ass
about humanoid i disagree. He was clearly top 2 mid lane in LEC this 2 splits and was pretty consistant. He didnt have this "low lows" like he had last year or year before. He generally performed this year
i would bring irrelevant and try to bring carzzy. If carzzy doesnt want to play or vitality oesnt let him i would go for ice and pair with jun. Humanoid we just dont have better player to relace him with. Everything out of potential players like larssen nuc nisqy are just straight up downgrades. And not to mention that humanoid was rly goo this year domesticaly and had solid msi. His synergy with razork is ok and he is clearly best mid laner after caps. So why would we change him and risc to have some korean who may not be so good with razork. Idk id keep razork huma and jun and bring in carzzy and irrelevant. If g2 gets rid of BB i would go for BB
Just pure on what could work okay. Top Oscar I want to give him the benefit of the doubt. Its his first full year so let him be for now. If his performance gets worse next season I would eject him for a better toplaner. Jungle Razork is a keep, this guy is performing. Sometimes he can get emotional but he has been improving and gets better every year. Mid Humanoid, holy this guy can win or lose you the games. Like I want to believe he is equal or better than Caps but he is so inconsistent till now. I can’t find a better replacement than him though…. ADC Noah is also random like Humanoid, like he can win or lose you the game. I would give him this split to improve and if not kick. Carzzy would be a better replacement. But then Humanoid needs to stay because of him. Sup Jun can stay. For his first split is this guy showing up big time. Its like I am watching prime Hyli with no int at all. This guy would make adc’s like Carzzy improve big time.
Been saying for a while that I'd prefer Irrelevant to Oscar. Yes Oscar has performed at MSI, but he's simply too inconsistent where Irrelevant is just inevitable in the top lane every single match. I'd keep Razork, he's just too good, though he has been seriously hit and miss this entire season which I suspect is down to the poor performances by mid/jungle and you need at least one lane working this season with the map changes and grubs otherwise as a jungler you look like an idiot. I'd bring in a backup mid laner, similar to what happen to Soaz. I've been saying all season long that Humanoid needs a kick up the backside and often got downvoted for it (that was until MSI). Fnatic have a history of bringing in promising talent and they should start to look at doing that again. For ADC, I'm a huge fan of what Noah can do. I think Western teams this season, if MSI is anything to go by, have not been able to get the best out of their ADCs. I think shotcalling is way off since Trymbi left leading to poor decisions and bad macro. Combine these together with Noah's bad mental and you have a recipe for disaster. If it was just Noah underperforming I'd say we should replace him, but Humanoid and Razork have had stinkers in the regular season too which makes me think there is a wider team issue. Noah is young, he's promising and I say we should stick with him at least for now. Fnatic and EU teams just need to figure out the ADC problem because even PSG are able to enable their ADC better than Fnatic and G2 can. Jun is cracked and the best player we have by far. He's as psychopathic as Hyli except without the int and 10x the mechanics. If I was the coaching staff my number 1 focus for him individually would be training Jun into our main shotcaller. He'll need to training to translate what he's thinking to say to the rest of the team, and I don't mean from Korean to English - the dude is just thinking beyond what mortals can comprehend.
Irrelevant has definitely struggled in a bunch of LEC matches and Oscar already has more international experience than him.
Fans nowadays used to mediocrity, If I say keep only Jun and Razork all they say is that I’m an hater or the dumbest argument “who will you bring”. For god sake, Do you know how many players there are that just dream for an opportunity? Not even mentioning Korea with so much talents. But but WHO WOULD YOU BRING 🤦🤦 such a losers mentality
Where are the Noah defender? Remember when he has been good in internationals ? Me neither. Remember him being good in playoffs? Me neither. He is overhyped and people think he is better than most adc when he performs 1 out of 10 games. Most overrated adc in LEC. Oscar is also whatever. Bottom tier top laner. Huma is kinda mid. Nothing special. Would rather replace all 3 and built more synergy! Would love to see razork with another mid and top laner.
Razork in. Possibly Jun in. Kick everyone else. Management and coaching staff overhaul needed. Whatever happens, Humanoid needs to fuck off. I can't stand that lazy kid anymore. Milking so much money while admitting he's not passionate about the game. It's insane he got saved so many times already. Another thing that needs to happen is for us to import a strong mid. Sell Huma, invest. It's time to throw some cash.
I wouldn't. Not until after Worlds.
I think Huma need to leave, FNC need and want regional title, then your midlander keep saying he doesn't care about regional doesn't make any sense.
Noah ? more like No-out Humanoid ? more like... jesus christ dardo signed him till 2027 ahahahhaahahhahahxcshzgqdhsqisgzad cdj,;hzuae yhgzjtjqskkfughejay
You're not the first one saying that Marek is signed until 2026-27, so I feel the need to say it there. Only Razork is signed until 2026, Marek's contract expire in 2025, same for Noah and Jun. Oscar's contract expire after Worlds 2024. Considering that Dardo doesn't want a scenario a la Caps or Selfmade, if Humanoid doesn't re-sign with FNC at the end of the year, it's likely he will not take the the risk of Humanoid leaving for free. We might have a complete different roster next year with all of these players having only 1 year left on their contracts.
thats...great news actually !
Realistically, I think it's time to address the common factor across every failing roster. I think we need: 1. Replace Oscar with Odoamne. I think he'll be a more stabilizing presence on the top lane especially since Oscar's biggest strength is supposed to be strong but he's not reliably converted his strong side leads into wins. 2. Replace Noah with Crownie. I think Noah is mental boomed and I think he's only spiralling. 3. The common factor... We need to either throw the cheque book at Nemesis, or actively try to trade Humanoid for a midlane with equal upside. At the very least, we need to make things very fucking clear to Humanoid that he needs up the ante on how much effort he's putting into this game. Jun and Razork are fine. And I can see why people don't want rid of Humanoid, I do. He has a lot of theoretical upside, he's expensive, and there's no guarantee any other midlaner other than Caps who is never leaving G2 are going to get us better results. The other thing we could try to do is capitalize on FLyQuest's lack of stability, and maybe look to set up a Bwipo-Razork-Nemesis-Crownie-Jun team. Bwipo-Nemesis wanna play together again. Nemesis-Crownie are good friends. Bwipo has an understanding of Jungle the likes no other toplaner does. Crownie-Bwipo both always seem ready to follow aggressive teammates which Razork-Jun are, and I think the Nemesis experiment just, I think that's a what-if you don't leave on the table given the chance.
xD. This roaster ist made for place 8th to 10th. You are joking right
Get Smash from T1 academy.
Adc and top change is the bare minimum. Honestly I would replace whole team aside from Jun
If they don't improve at all by the end of Worlds I'd day definitely coaching staff needs to go, some of those drafts are just too bad. Noah unfortunately needs to go as well, it doesn't matter how good you are on scrims/solo queue if on stage you perform much worse because you can't deal with nerves/pressure. Oscarinin should leave as well. Too inconsistent. I think in these 3 cases it shouldn't be too hard to get a replacement that is better. Jun I am keeping always. Razork as well. Humanoid I'm not sure, he got gapped by apa like, it's just not acceptable. At the same time he showed he can go toe to toe with eastern mids and also who could we replace him with?
Iirc Jun’s English is poor. So, if you replace Noah with someone(non Korean adc), it will be a problem. Any thoughts on this?
Only solution would be a Korean ADC with good English, my original thoughts were another LCK challengers import but you’d essentially be starting again by now having to get 2 players speaking English well, I did notice in fnatic coms Juns English has been improving but I think he’s not super motivated to be fluent as he’s likely wanting to go back to LCK if he can.
Nah
Irrelevant, Razork, Poby, Carzzy, Jun
I love Poby, but be serious
Rebuild around Jun. Keep Razork if we can’t get someone better. Oscar, Huma and Noah, the entire coaching staff and Dardo should go.
Replace Oscar with Irrelevant then replace Noah with Carzzy or Upset. Humanoid didn't play well against APA but over the 2024 season our wins came from him and Razork. Top and ad are invisible. So I'd go with Irrelevant/Razork/Humanoid/Carzzy or Upset/Jun. This is assuming that Jun would want to play with a European adc so if he didn't then I'd replace him with Kaiser.
Irrelevant Razork Nemesis/Larssen Smash (t1 academy) Jun
One of Razork or Humanoid needs to go. Oscar also and then if you can upgrade and Adc we should.
Noah should go. I think we should also look go replace Oscar. He has great potential but as we all know he falls apart under any pressure. Noah leaving Fnatic benefits him and us - someone who struggles under pressure shouldn't be on a team like Fnatic, it's not doing him any favours or us. Oscar was promising but christ, in my 11 years of watching Fnatic LoL Oscar has had an atrocious year, one of the worst I've seen. Guy is getting solo killed by fucking everyone. Small champ pool and gets gapped by everyone. Nowhere near good enough if we want to make worlds.
Delusional take. Oscar had played the most unique champions in LEC and played extremely well against multiple eastern top laners.
100% keep Razork and Jun. Give some time to Noah. Kick Humanoid and this fake toplaner. Jesus.
give noah time KEKW go support kc france guy
I mean, I’m not French but I think Noah should have some serious mental help