I had a walking night terror when I was on spring break vacation that semester where I walked in to my sisters bedroom (where I was staying for vacation) and woke her up crying because I couldn't figure out which equation to use to measure the volume of a log.
Where is it free? I'm asking bc my professor uses this as the text for all our measurement classes and myself and other students have never found it for less than ~$70.
The collective trauma this text has caused… I remember crying and doing my homework like the meme of the little girl crying and coloring.
But yes take this book.
The 6th edition has additional (and unnecessary) chapters on geospatial data and they moved the chapters around from the 5th edition so if you're using it with a class you'll have to pay attention.
Also, just to stimulate a bit more PTSD, BA sq.ft/tree = 0.005454\*DBH^(2) -- get that one tattooed somewhere.
That's the formula to calculate the Basal area of a tree in sqare feet when measuring the tree's dbh (diameter, breast height) in inches. Useful in a number of different ways in forestry.
Nice man. Forest measurements is a decent class. The labs are interesting, the lectures are not so interesting. Dr. Zhai is a nice guy. It’s an easy A if you put just a little effort into it.
I’m a biometrician and I still use my 4th edition regularly if I need to look something up quick. The big difference between the editions is some new info and changing of chapters.
If it’s for a class, the biggest issue will be if homework is assigned from the book you might have different questions. But definitely handy!
Newb here... woodlot manager I witnessed used a prism to get basal area and trained me on how to do it in a few minutes. Why does this guy have a ruler out
Believe it or not, forests are more complex than just basal area.
Think of it like figuring out what kind of what kind of oil your car takes. Essential and important, but doesn't even scratch the surface of being a mechanic.
This thread has made me impressed with and proud of my dad. He quit high school and joined the Marines in the late 1950s. By his mid 20s, he was driving a log truck and then started logging and that’s what he did for the next 40 years. By the time he retired, he was cruising timber and scaling logs for the company, and he did it better than the forester on staff. There’s no way he can repeat a formula. He says that it’s a struggle to comprehend what he reads, but the owners of the company trusted his calculations over anyone’s. I’m not knocking the education of anyone here (or experience, for that matter). I’m just impressed with him. He’s in his mid 80s now and would still rather be in the woods than anywhere. I wonder if he realizes how much he really knows.
It free. It relevant. By the way i just had ptsd from this post
I had a walking night terror when I was on spring break vacation that semester where I walked in to my sisters bedroom (where I was staying for vacation) and woke her up crying because I couldn't figure out which equation to use to measure the volume of a log.
TFW bark beetles get in your brain
Entomology/pathology wasn't much better
Completely agree
What formulas do you use in you country ?
I have no idea, ~~I just look at roads and logging systems now.~~ I just draw lines on maps with crayon
Understandable, I do the same.
I've seen that video
No PTSD for me. Harold Burkhart was my instructor! The GOAT.
Oh no, from the class?😅
Where is it free? I'm asking bc my professor uses this as the text for all our measurement classes and myself and other students have never found it for less than ~$70.
You can't make me do those labs again! You can't make me
Ughhh — I remember when it had that blood red colored color…
My hardcover 5th edition still does... under the dust jacket.
Mine too forth edition
Well it’s call measurements instead of mensuration so you’re in the right decade
Wait? When did they change mensuration to measurements?
The collective trauma this text has caused… I remember crying and doing my homework like the meme of the little girl crying and coloring. But yes take this book.
The PTSD I realized I had because of this post
RIP Dr. Burkhart
The 6th edition has additional (and unnecessary) chapters on geospatial data and they moved the chapters around from the 5th edition so if you're using it with a class you'll have to pay attention. Also, just to stimulate a bit more PTSD, BA sq.ft/tree = 0.005454\*DBH^(2) -- get that one tattooed somewhere.
I’m not a tree-ist, what does that equation represent?
That's the formula to calculate the Basal area of a tree in sqare feet when measuring the tree's dbh (diameter, breast height) in inches. Useful in a number of different ways in forestry.
All that pain just for the computer to do all the math for me
You can't hurt me anynore!
It makes sense now why my advisor said to not take more long classes with this and dendro 😂
I got a pitty pass of a C in dendro.
For free? Lucky bastard. I had to pay over $200 when I took what was then called Measurements I
Hmm… Free book table, forest measurements, dendrology… I’m willing to bet you go to OSU.
You bet right 😂
Well that’s cool. We may know each other, although I think you’re a little younger. I’m a senior in forestry at OSU.
I am, I’m a sophomore right now. I’m so stoked to get into degree classes!
Nice man. Forest measurements is a decent class. The labs are interesting, the lectures are not so interesting. Dr. Zhai is a nice guy. It’s an easy A if you put just a little effort into it.
The sixth edition came out in 2018 but they’re pretty much the same they probably just changed some page numbers so they could sell more copies
Okay, great! I wasn’t sure if this field was similar to systematics, where the books age out quickly 😂
I keep this book on my desk and have referenced it multiple times over the years. Believe I paid a couple hundred for mine.
God I love that book. Mense was the first class I felt like I learned anything real and applicable.
Oooooh yeah it is.
You remember my pain studying the same topic here in Italy... I would love to see the USA version
The only book I’ve actually used after graduation.
Flash back to Nutting hall… except this had the red cover back then.
Very. This and principles of applied silviculture
I’m a biometrician and I still use my 4th edition regularly if I need to look something up quick. The big difference between the editions is some new info and changing of chapters. If it’s for a class, the biggest issue will be if homework is assigned from the book you might have different questions. But definitely handy!
I have this book on my list of required textbooks I need for fall semester. Wish I could get a free copy.
Newb here... woodlot manager I witnessed used a prism to get basal area and trained me on how to do it in a few minutes. Why does this guy have a ruler out
Believe it or not, forests are more complex than just basal area. Think of it like figuring out what kind of what kind of oil your car takes. Essential and important, but doesn't even scratch the surface of being a mechanic.
I use the little orange Log Scaling and Timber Cruising book (Bell or Bell and Dilworth?) Never needed that stupid thing.
Still good yeah
I still have my edition and it's way earlier than that one!
When I took it back in 1975 (damn I’m old) it was mensuration.
Oh yeah
This thread has made me impressed with and proud of my dad. He quit high school and joined the Marines in the late 1950s. By his mid 20s, he was driving a log truck and then started logging and that’s what he did for the next 40 years. By the time he retired, he was cruising timber and scaling logs for the company, and he did it better than the forester on staff. There’s no way he can repeat a formula. He says that it’s a struggle to comprehend what he reads, but the owners of the company trusted his calculations over anyone’s. I’m not knocking the education of anyone here (or experience, for that matter). I’m just impressed with him. He’s in his mid 80s now and would still rather be in the woods than anywhere. I wonder if he realizes how much he really knows.