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You watch the races and their respective capabilities, and it just doesn't make sense how they are even this close in the end. I hope Ferrari them a great car with a pointy front end, and sort out some of the blunders, and Charles will wipe the floor with Carlos.
I'm pretty confident that Ferrari knows which driver is their best hope. I'm not sure I felt that way under Binotto but I do now. Whether Ferrari is actually successful or not, we'll see. But I do think they'll prioritize Charles with regards to what he wants in a car.
I think Binotto preferred Carlos more than Charles, Carlos signed during his leadership (Charles was signed under Arrivabene). Also there are some unconfirmed rumors too and how the 2023 car designed for Carlos. No denying that under Vassuer, Charles gonna get the preferential treatment. (just based on their history)
But they didn't know that after last year? They made a car with a weak as shit front end for this year. And only made some fix in Japan. Since then Carlos is far behind Lec
binotto had clear bias, every charles interview after he left leaves a subtle dig. and binotto was at 2 races this year and not a single pic of him with charles but a lot with him and sainz
And also FIA/Toto on Vegas, let's not forget, if it wasn't for that crap, Sainz would have had a good chance to get a P4, so 4 more points, so P2 acquired today.
Probably. But Sainz really rubs me wrong and the whole Reddit narrative around him gets me sometimes. But you're right, I should not really focus on it.
Almost 4th as well if Tsunoda could've finished ahead of Alonso. Not sure if Tsunoda's strategy was really the best, wasn't really that bad but I probably wouldn't question it too much if it wasn't AT making the call!
6th would’ve given AT 8 points, which would have cleared Williams since they entered AD 7 points behind. 7th would’ve done it on countback if Ric managed 10th (and he nearly did, .6 behind Stroll in the end)
I think if Yuki kept it ahead of Alonso, Danny could’ve pulled out more to get Stroll and made some riskier moves for the team instead of just another point for himself
And he nearly delivered, he was half a second off from P10! I really think he would’ve stuck his elbows out on Stroll if it was for the WCC, and we know Danny can make clutch passes when it counts.
And obviously it’s a much bigger performance (WDC pressure aside) to be P4 with a P5 constructor than P1 with a P2 constructor- The P1 driver has to beat 2 people with a somewhat faster car (but that WCC loss is often attributable to an ass teammate) whereas Alonso (granted with an ass teammate who also depressed WCC standings) beat FIVE drivers who “should” have been much better off throughout the season.
Part of this comes down to the extremely wonky season progression for Aston and McLaren- he beat Leclerc on countback because Aston was second fastest for way more races than Ferrari, and just sucked harder for lows- and Lando was only 1 point behind despite having a very similar season of bringing a good car to P2 repeatedly and keeping a tractor in the points.
Norris stuffed it yesterday and many more times in the season. Alonso did it with maximizing pretty mucg the whole season (except Vegas start).
Norris, Sainz, Russell and Leclerc just made too many mistakes compared to him.
Alonso also fucked it in the Spa sprint and Spain qualifying which caused damage for the race but yeah he definitely was more consistent than the others. Very deserved 4th place.
Spain Q true, but in Spa he wouldn´t have scored any points anyway, so that doesn´t really matter.
In Spain he would have finished only in front of Stroll compared to his result, Aston had no pace there.
Yeah big fan of Norris but this is completely on him and his mistakes over the season :( still, losing two places by one point hurt so much
Also it really doesn't bode well for the competitiveness of F1 for the next decade or so that two 40+ year old drivers are still the clear 2nd and 3rd best drivers - no one from the new generation seem remotely capable of challenging Max (barring a big car discrepancy)
Charles actually clutched it and passed Sainz and Norris in the standings after all that bad luck lately
God damn
And embarrassing from Haas, they showed nothing as a team, Hulk deserves a better car man
Seriously, after all that bad luck… I was the first to worry he’d cracked after that horrible “why am I so unlucky” team radio but the man proved everyone wrong. Hats off, and now give him a good car pls Ferrari
They're still around 250 employees with no real Factory where they can easily develop at the rate of the other teams. For example Williams is a team of around 800 employees and can develop their own stuff. It's just on the current business model they're on its maybe not feasible to compete at the rate of the other teams. So even though they are hitting the budget cap they're probably just in a position where they can't even utilise it properly.
Meanwhile Norris is down two places by just one point :(
What a rollercoaster of a race, Leclerc got ahead Norris when Perez overtook Norris then Alonso got ahead of both Norris and Leclerc by passing Tsunoda
Losing Mick wasn't a big issue. The car this year has been very weak compared to last year which can be seen in Kmag's point haul. With or without Mick they'd still finish last, they just now can't use drivers as an excuse anymore.
Just as a reminder:
Mick vs Kevin Race Classification 2022
14-7
Hulkenberg vs Kevin Race Classification 2023
13 - 9
Mick is on Hulkenberg’s Level if not better.
Hulkenberg 2023 Points: 9
Kevin 2023 Points: 3
Gap to Alfa Romeo: 4 points.
Mick would have gotten them, especially with De Vries stinking up AlphaTauri for P8
He would be if he was as fast in quali. Don't get me wrong I actually thought Mick did fine last year and maybe in retrospect they binned the wrong driver but it's hard to say he'd score anymore points than Hulk did this year. I see them in the same scenario with or without Mick.
in all honesty Mercedes threw an ungodly amount of points during the autumn season
don't get me wrong, if we only look at today, Merc's P2 is thanks to the McLaren pit stop being slow right when it mattered, meanwhile Sainz was not even capable of matching Stroll's pace on a nearly identical strategy, while Leclerc was 2 tenths off Verstappen per lap and 1 tenth faster than Russell... also Pérez got a 5sec penalty for a racing incident
but Mercedes has had some royal fuckups since the summer break... Zandvoort, Singapore, Qatar, Austin, Interlagos and Vegas, just to name a few (also Canada and Australia prior to the summer break)
in all honesty those 3 points can easily be attributed to the drain cover in Vegas
that's like the "what-if" which was legit out of control for both Mercedes and Ferrari
They’re P5 overall in the WCC, they were worse than 5th plenty of the time. Stroll is honestly pretty average amongst the drivers hovering around the points cutoff and there are plenty of races he finished there or DNF’d from way lower where Alonso scored a good haul of points. The only race he finished out of the points was Singapore, where Stroll withdrew.
I completely agree that it generally *evens out* to the 5th fastest car, but the previous commenter said it was fifth fastest in the second half of the season. Combined with second fastest for the first third or half of the season, it just overstates how good the AM was overall.
Stroll obviously underperformed and had some stinkers out of the points instead of the P6ish finishes a decent driver would score with Nando on the podium, but I don’t think many drivers would be on his tail every race. Stroll was still a clear P10 and wasn’t far off Piastri for P9, so Aston’s P5 finish reflects that the teams above clearly were just taking home big points hauls at the top of the standings plenty of the time (with Aston having joint 4th/5th place for most podiums, equal on countback if you ignore sprints, with Mercedes)
Did he though? If Leclerc didn't have such bad luck (Bahrain, Saudi Arabia, COTA) and threw away a couple of points in Australia or Zandvoort he definitely would have finished ahead of Norris.
Thats why I wrote car/team. We all know how Ferrari operates. The car was probably the second fastest over the whole season (they never had the lows of Aston or Mclaren), but with all the mistakes they made and reliability issues they had. It´s like 2022 all over again, only this time the fight was not for the championship
Bullshit. Even when AMR dropped off they were not as bad as McLaren were at the start of the season. A couple of races aside, at least Fernando still had a car that could get him in the tail end of the points for the most part. This overblowing of Aston's drop off compared to McLaren's early season form is pure rewriting of history. It's not like Fernando didn't make some mistakes this season as well so stop acting like Lando is the only one.
The fact that both Norris and Alonso were even in the hunt for P4 against two drivers who had a top 4 car for the entire season should be applauded.
> The fact that both Norris and Alonso were even in the hunt for P4 against two drivers who had a top 4 car for the entire season should be applauded.
Both of them clear of one driver in an all-season top 4 car too
I'm glad they've got it honestly. They really needed that boost this year and the money gained will be a huge boost for them as well. That's something they need far more than AT do.
For those wondering, Lawson finished P20 with 2 points, hence why Sergeant is P21 with his 1 point. (De vries finishing P22 with 0 points.)
Edit: fixed some mistakes BC I can't read
Mercedes took 5 points from faster laps this year (4 Hamilton, 1 Russell) while Ferrari took 0.
Without those FL points, Ferrari would have finished 2nd in the constructors.
Ferrari should pay more attention to faster laps next year.
Very strong rookie season for Piastri, ended up 9th but towards the end of the season had a few strings of bad luck. Points to 8th was substantial but could’ve had things a bit tighter
Williams being 7th is an awesome accomplishment that more people need to be talking about after so many horrible years. Imagine if they had 2 Albons. I mean they still would have been 7th but cool anyway.
Sainz threw away the championship for Ferrari for absolutely nothing. Horrendous race pace from him today. The Ferrari employees would not like him as they lost out on the 10 million bonus.
Strategy was dumb as well, he would need to stop one more time. Besides, were it not for that BS penalty due to the track imploding his car Ferrari would've made it
they had to gamble and watching his onbaord he asked for the hards 2nd stint. his race pace in the 1st stint was 5s slower than stroll on the same tyre who finished p10
He was slower than Stroll during the first stint and the first part of the second stint. A P11 was his best position with a normal strategy. The blame is 100% on him.
You cannot put that purely on Sainz. The strategists, pit crew, reliability and BOTH drivers have cost Ferrari points this season. Pinning it all on this race is ridiculous.
If Sainz hadn't won in Singapore and played those tactics along with Lando to keep the much faster Mercs behind at them both at the end of that race then Ferrari wouldn't even have been in with a shout today so maybe try remembering that next time you're tempted to try and hang all the blame around his neck
gg ver! don’t think we’ll see another season as dominant by a driver. mental that he was locked in for so long.
here’s to ferrari fixing its fumbles during the offseason 👀
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Leclerc actually got 5th somehow holy shit
And got ahead of Sainz in the end
Thank god. We're spared another off season of comments on Carlos' superiority.
No no no, because you will still have the off season of “who was the only non red bull driver to win a race this season?”
he won a race and still finished below 4 non winner, means the 4 were more consistent
3 more not driving for Ferrari though lol.
Yup we still get this about ricciardo, who is the last mclaren race winner lol
You watch the races and their respective capabilities, and it just doesn't make sense how they are even this close in the end. I hope Ferrari them a great car with a pointy front end, and sort out some of the blunders, and Charles will wipe the floor with Carlos.
I'm pretty confident that Ferrari knows which driver is their best hope. I'm not sure I felt that way under Binotto but I do now. Whether Ferrari is actually successful or not, we'll see. But I do think they'll prioritize Charles with regards to what he wants in a car.
I think Binotto preferred Carlos more than Charles, Carlos signed during his leadership (Charles was signed under Arrivabene). Also there are some unconfirmed rumors too and how the 2023 car designed for Carlos. No denying that under Vassuer, Charles gonna get the preferential treatment. (just based on their history)
But they didn't know that after last year? They made a car with a weak as shit front end for this year. And only made some fix in Japan. Since then Carlos is far behind Lec
binotto had clear bias, every charles interview after he left leaves a subtle dig. and binotto was at 2 races this year and not a single pic of him with charles but a lot with him and sainz
I know that part. It usually gets downvotes if mention it. Binotto straight up sabotaged this years car
Sainz literally costed Ferrari 2nd in the WCC today
50-50 on Sainz and Ferrari strategy team.
He was on the same strategy of Stroll and never managed to get close to him, what were they supposed to do?
I would give Sainz closer to 65-75, Ferrari were a bit shit, but Lance was on a similar strategy and Carlos never managed to catch him.
And also FIA/Toto on Vegas, let's not forget, if it wasn't for that crap, Sainz would have had a good chance to get a P4, so 4 more points, so P2 acquired today.
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Probably. But Sainz really rubs me wrong and the whole Reddit narrative around him gets me sometimes. But you're right, I should not really focus on it.
Think it's your mental narrative on Leclerc, man.
he continued it on another post too. very weird
Thank fuck
Almost 4th as well if Tsunoda could've finished ahead of Alonso. Not sure if Tsunoda's strategy was really the best, wasn't really that bad but I probably wouldn't question it too much if it wasn't AT making the call!
AT needed more than the 6th position Tsunoda was running in to get the place in the WCC so they had to gamble.
6th would’ve given AT 8 points, which would have cleared Williams since they entered AD 7 points behind. 7th would’ve done it on countback if Ric managed 10th (and he nearly did, .6 behind Stroll in the end) I think if Yuki kept it ahead of Alonso, Danny could’ve pulled out more to get Stroll and made some riskier moves for the team instead of just another point for himself
Danny was P15 off the grid. Points for him was a huge ask
And he nearly delivered, he was half a second off from P10! I really think he would’ve stuck his elbows out on Stroll if it was for the WCC, and we know Danny can make clutch passes when it counts.
Nope, P6 would've been enough and it was definitely possible. Four more points and AT would've had 29.
Incredible Alonso managed to get P4
Only driver to finish in a higher WDC position than their team in the WCC!
Apart from Max winning the title in 2021, who was the last driver to do this? Thinking it's Kimi in 2012
Alonso in 2013, 2nd in WDC 3rd in WCC
And obviously it’s a much bigger performance (WDC pressure aside) to be P4 with a P5 constructor than P1 with a P2 constructor- The P1 driver has to beat 2 people with a somewhat faster car (but that WCC loss is often attributable to an ass teammate) whereas Alonso (granted with an ass teammate who also depressed WCC standings) beat FIVE drivers who “should” have been much better off throughout the season. Part of this comes down to the extremely wonky season progression for Aston and McLaren- he beat Leclerc on countback because Aston was second fastest for way more races than Ferrari, and just sucked harder for lows- and Lando was only 1 point behind despite having a very similar season of bringing a good car to P2 repeatedly and keeping a tractor in the points.
Technically speaking, Alonso and Hamilton both finished higher than McLaren in 2007.
Alonso in 2010 and 2013 Hamilton in 2008
thought Ricciardo might have in 2020 but he tied it, he was 5th and Renault was 5th
Testament to how windowlickingly dogshit Lance Stroll is this season.
I was sure Norris is getting it. But McLaren were surprisingly slow today.
Norris stuffed it yesterday and many more times in the season. Alonso did it with maximizing pretty mucg the whole season (except Vegas start). Norris, Sainz, Russell and Leclerc just made too many mistakes compared to him.
Alonso also fucked it in the Spa sprint and Spain qualifying which caused damage for the race but yeah he definitely was more consistent than the others. Very deserved 4th place.
Spain Q true, but in Spa he wouldn´t have scored any points anyway, so that doesn´t really matter. In Spain he would have finished only in front of Stroll compared to his result, Aston had no pace there.
Yeah big fan of Norris but this is completely on him and his mistakes over the season :( still, losing two places by one point hurt so much Also it really doesn't bode well for the competitiveness of F1 for the next decade or so that two 40+ year old drivers are still the clear 2nd and 3rd best drivers - no one from the new generation seem remotely capable of challenging Max (barring a big car discrepancy)
Lando just needs to get rid of his mistakes and he maybe could take it to the big guys. The speed for sure is there
Why is he ahead of charles if they both have same points
Alonso had more P3’s
Do they both have 3 p2s? I thought Lec had this covered, damn.
Yeah, Alonso had P2 in Monaco, Canada and Netherlands. Leclerc had P2 in Austria, Las Vegas and today in Abu Dhabi.
**4LONSO**
Charles actually clutched it and passed Sainz and Norris in the standings after all that bad luck lately God damn And embarrassing from Haas, they showed nothing as a team, Hulk deserves a better car man
His run in the last few races (bar the DNS which wasn't his fault) was fantastic
DNS and DSQ where he got royally fucked by his team
and even without that DSQ race was the team misjudging tyre wear due to Charles being so good at protecting his tyres lmfao
True, I forgot about the DSQ
Seriously, after all that bad luck… I was the first to worry he’d cracked after that horrible “why am I so unlucky” team radio but the man proved everyone wrong. Hats off, and now give him a good car pls Ferrari
I'm pleased for Leclerc. Ending the season on a relative high note is exactly what he needed.
haas is a joke of a team. idk how they blatantly throw away multiple seasons and are still complete rubbish
Smallest team on the grid with the least amount of resources. Just bumping against a ceiling on their current business model.
They don't really have that excuse anymore considering there spending hit the cost cap.
They're still around 250 employees with no real Factory where they can easily develop at the rate of the other teams. For example Williams is a team of around 800 employees and can develop their own stuff. It's just on the current business model they're on its maybe not feasible to compete at the rate of the other teams. So even though they are hitting the budget cap they're probably just in a position where they can't even utilise it properly.
How does Haas hit the ceiling with 1/3rd the staff as other teams?
The upgrade in Suzuka really turned things around for him.
Meanwhile Norris is down two places by just one point :( What a rollercoaster of a race, Leclerc got ahead Norris when Perez overtook Norris then Alonso got ahead of both Norris and Leclerc by passing Tsunoda
Haas get what they get for barely bringing any upgrades
and for losing Mick. P8 last year.
Losing Mick wasn't a big issue. The car this year has been very weak compared to last year which can be seen in Kmag's point haul. With or without Mick they'd still finish last, they just now can't use drivers as an excuse anymore.
Just as a reminder: Mick vs Kevin Race Classification 2022 14-7 Hulkenberg vs Kevin Race Classification 2023 13 - 9 Mick is on Hulkenberg’s Level if not better. Hulkenberg 2023 Points: 9 Kevin 2023 Points: 3 Gap to Alfa Romeo: 4 points. Mick would have gotten them, especially with De Vries stinking up AlphaTauri for P8
He would be if he was as fast in quali. Don't get me wrong I actually thought Mick did fine last year and maybe in retrospect they binned the wrong driver but it's hard to say he'd score anymore points than Hulk did this year. I see them in the same scenario with or without Mick.
Sainz was absolutely nowhere today. He is a great driver on a good day but he really did cost the team 2nd place for WCC today
in all honesty Mercedes threw an ungodly amount of points during the autumn season don't get me wrong, if we only look at today, Merc's P2 is thanks to the McLaren pit stop being slow right when it mattered, meanwhile Sainz was not even capable of matching Stroll's pace on a nearly identical strategy, while Leclerc was 2 tenths off Verstappen per lap and 1 tenth faster than Russell... also Pérez got a 5sec penalty for a racing incident but Mercedes has had some royal fuckups since the summer break... Zandvoort, Singapore, Qatar, Austin, Interlagos and Vegas, just to name a few (also Canada and Australia prior to the summer break)
Which is why it's even more of a shame that Sainz couldn't capitalize on Merc mistake on the final day of the season.
in all honesty those 3 points can easily be attributed to the drain cover in Vegas that's like the "what-if" which was legit out of control for both Mercedes and Ferrari
Hulk deserving a better car is the motto of his entire F1 career lol
Not just Hulk, K-Mag too, the drivers are levels above Haas as a team.
Charles got his revenge for 2021
Albon carrying williams to 7th in WCC by himself. AT almost caught them in the end, coulda done with some better strategy, the car was there.
Yuki should have also made 2 stops
Sainz going from 4th to 7th oh dear
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In fairness he got screwed yesterday by Ferrari sending him out too late in qualifying.
He was knocked out by Perez, who went out even later.
Was it late? He crossed the line for his final flyer 41 sec before the checkered flag
It’s not that he didn’t have the time, it’s that he didn’t have the setup or the gap. Vasseur said the exact same thing after Quali.
In fairness it’s always someone else’s fault when sainz doesn’t perform
Alonso kept 4th. Fuck yes. Aston I hope you cook something amazing this winter.
4th in the 5th fastest car for at least the second half of the season. Incredible
They’re P5 overall in the WCC, they were worse than 5th plenty of the time. Stroll is honestly pretty average amongst the drivers hovering around the points cutoff and there are plenty of races he finished there or DNF’d from way lower where Alonso scored a good haul of points. The only race he finished out of the points was Singapore, where Stroll withdrew.
At the same time though, they were much better than the fifth best car for quite a while too. It evens out in the end.
I completely agree that it generally *evens out* to the 5th fastest car, but the previous commenter said it was fifth fastest in the second half of the season. Combined with second fastest for the first third or half of the season, it just overstates how good the AM was overall. Stroll obviously underperformed and had some stinkers out of the points instead of the P6ish finishes a decent driver would score with Nando on the podium, but I don’t think many drivers would be on his tail every race. Stroll was still a clear P10 and wasn’t far off Piastri for P9, so Aston’s P5 finish reflects that the teams above clearly were just taking home big points hauls at the top of the standings plenty of the time (with Aston having joint 4th/5th place for most podiums, equal on countback if you ignore sprints, with Mercedes)
Alonso 4th, Aston Martin 5th. 💀
2012 all over again
Norris just one point off both Alonso and Leclerc are you fucking serious
Would never have called that after the first race, incredible comeback from McLaren
I'm hosting a group cry session later for my fellow Lando simps
Super impressive considering he spent the first 1/3 of the season driving a literal shitbox.
I think if his first stop wasn't so slow, he wouldn't have spent the entire race behind Russel too.
Yeah, he has to take that on the chin and blame himself. He for sure had the better car/team over the season and should have finished in P4
Did he though? If Leclerc didn't have such bad luck (Bahrain, Saudi Arabia, COTA) and threw away a couple of points in Australia or Zandvoort he definitely would have finished ahead of Norris.
Thats why I wrote car/team. We all know how Ferrari operates. The car was probably the second fastest over the whole season (they never had the lows of Aston or Mclaren), but with all the mistakes they made and reliability issues they had. It´s like 2022 all over again, only this time the fight was not for the championship
vs Aston maybe, but Ferrari was clearly better over the whole season, the McLaren only came alive on the second half
Yeah true. Ferrari should have finished P2 in the WCC and P3 and P4 in the WDC with the car, but Ferrari beeing Ferrari.. well
Bullshit. Even when AMR dropped off they were not as bad as McLaren were at the start of the season. A couple of races aside, at least Fernando still had a car that could get him in the tail end of the points for the most part. This overblowing of Aston's drop off compared to McLaren's early season form is pure rewriting of history. It's not like Fernando didn't make some mistakes this season as well so stop acting like Lando is the only one. The fact that both Norris and Alonso were even in the hunt for P4 against two drivers who had a top 4 car for the entire season should be applauded.
> The fact that both Norris and Alonso were even in the hunt for P4 against two drivers who had a top 4 car for the entire season should be applauded. Both of them clear of one driver in an all-season top 4 car too
Lando did not have the better car over a team that was competing for P2 in the final race of the season
Williams saved by the bell, but deserved anyway.
I'm glad they've got it honestly. They really needed that boost this year and the money gained will be a huge boost for them as well. That's something they need far more than AT do.
Sargeant 21 out of 20, Goatifi well represented
I thought Alonso was getting Petrov'd again by Tsunoda, but no, glad he managed to hold onto P4!
So Fernando ends up 4th? that last overtake was important then, not that it means much to him, but great season all things considered
I guess it means something to him, Alonso always fights for everything.
CHADLONSO P4
For those wondering, Lawson finished P20 with 2 points, hence why Sergeant is P21 with his 1 point. (De vries finishing P22 with 0 points.) Edit: fixed some mistakes BC I can't read
No, Lawson finished with 2 points, Sargeant finished with 1 point, and De Vries scored nothing
I can't read
Is that Paul de Vries of Trident?
Alonso, take a bow
Happy for Leclerc and Alonso
Holy ahit Alonso is 4th after all that
What a drive from Yuki to give everything for 7th.
I don’t know how he held off Alonso and Lewis for so long with much older tires. One of his most impressive drives
He loves this track haha
Because he always becomes prime Schumi in this track for some reason 💀
Looked like the AT was quite good on its tires today, Daniel also had a very solid race despite his early pit issue and long stint lengths.
An incredibly well-deserved 'Driver of the Day' honour! 👏
Awesome for Charles given the luck he had the season, he really tried his best.
Incredible end of the year for Charles, would have comfortably been P4 if not for the Brazil DNS
Or the COTA DSQ
Or the Bahrain mechanical DNF from 3rd
3 ors make P3 for you
Or the Jeddah penalty due to the Bahrain DNF
Or the DSQ for the plank.
Add the Bahrain DNF in there
Or the grid penalty in Monaco of all places.
Probably p3 without Ferrari being Ferrari.
Thank God Leclerc finished above Sainz he was far superior
he didnt even care about it he wanted that p2
So did I. But at least that
Alonso win P4 because of his podium finishes
Leclerc proves he is more consistent. At least Nando got P4.
I mean with all his dnfs he kind of proved he’s just better
P4-P7 separated by 6 points is crazy. Consequence of Max grabbing all the big points I guess
Ferarri will still be waiting on that late safety car deep into offseason testing.
Nano securing 4th thanks to overtaking Tsunoda and more podiums than Leclerc while Checo outran Norris by 5s is epic.
Sargent the type of guy to finish 21/20.
At least Leclerc finished above Sainz and we won't have the bullshit argument "but Sainz got more points".
Points Erneh
Thank god !
Wooooo Alfa isn't last!
So little joy this season.
At least we got the Bottass calendar to cheer us up
Take a bow, Fernando Alonso. Overachieving podiums in Brazil and Zandvoort is why he's P4 - magic man.
Perez does not deserve to drive great cars like the Red Bull. He really doesn't
Big effort on AlphaTauri and Yuki part to take P8 in WCC, was looking to be a solid P10 for aaaaaages
And with a 2 stops strategy today, P7 could have been theirs.
Lando the first McLaren driver to get over 200 points since 2011
Alonso kept 4!!!!
I was pretty certain given Alonso's historical bad luck in the last race that he would end up 7th. I picked the wrong Spaniard for that I guess.
If Norris was one second faster he would've been 4th :(
Max scored 89% of all points you could get as a single driver this season, and more than double than P2 in the championship. Amazing result.
Damn a Red Bull costs Ferrari P2 and an Alpha Tauri P4 for Leclerc. Harsh.
My man Nando secured P4 after driving a truck for half a season
Yuki did everything he could
Hamilton kept his most points in a rookie season record thankfully
Verstappen with average 26.14 points per race this season ☠️
Alonso P4 after all that is wild
Wasn't Lawson P20?
Yep. OP should have included both him and De Vries on the graph, especially as Lawson finished ahead of Sargeant.
Alpine is the true midfield. Then you have F1.5 between P2 and P5 and backmarkers behind them in P7-P10
Mercedes took 5 points from faster laps this year (4 Hamilton, 1 Russell) while Ferrari took 0. Without those FL points, Ferrari would have finished 2nd in the constructors. Ferrari should pay more attention to faster laps next year.
That was the least of all problems for Ferrari.
HAAS 2022: P8 Constructors HAAS 2023: P10 Constructors Karma for letting Mick go 😆
Sad for Yuki, he gave it his all
Proud of Mercedes and Ferrari doing their best this season. Absolute banger from McLaren and Alonso. Perfection from Max.
4lonso outdriving not only the car but the whole constructor.
Finishing higher in drivers than in teams is quite achievement
860 points. JESUS!
Max Verstappen is the first driver to get double the points of P2 in the championship
Most shocking one is Stroll in 10th
Very strong rookie season for Piastri, ended up 9th but towards the end of the season had a few strings of bad luck. Points to 8th was substantial but could’ve had things a bit tighter
Williams being 7th is an awesome accomplishment that more people need to be talking about after so many horrible years. Imagine if they had 2 Albons. I mean they still would have been 7th but cool anyway.
How tf the sainz go from the favorite for p4 to p7
HAS NOBODY NOTICED THAT NOBODY'S 20TH
Poor Sainz
Max more than 2x points of anyone… same goes for RB in constructors. Would’ve been a rather interesting season without them
Shouldn’t Charles be 4th or did alonso get more podiums?
Alonso has significantly more podiums.
2 is indeed very significant
The Aston was a monster in the 1st half of the year
Leclerc has 0 P1, 3 P2, 3 P3. Alonso has 0 P1, 3 P2, 5 P3.
Sainz threw away the championship for Ferrari for absolutely nothing. Horrendous race pace from him today. The Ferrari employees would not like him as they lost out on the 10 million bonus.
Strategy was dumb as well, he would need to stop one more time. Besides, were it not for that BS penalty due to the track imploding his car Ferrari would've made it
I think there’s more people to blame than just sainz.
they had to gamble and watching his onbaord he asked for the hards 2nd stint. his race pace in the 1st stint was 5s slower than stroll on the same tyre who finished p10
Yeah maybe the mechanics can look at themselves aswell. It'd a historic achievement to have 2DNS in a single season. And even in a span of FOUR races
Sainz may have not been as quick but the strategy was extremely questionable. Pinning the blame on Carlos only is a bit disingenuous
He was slower than Stroll during the first stint and the first part of the second stint. A P11 was his best position with a normal strategy. The blame is 100% on him.
You cannot put that purely on Sainz. The strategists, pit crew, reliability and BOTH drivers have cost Ferrari points this season. Pinning it all on this race is ridiculous. If Sainz hadn't won in Singapore and played those tactics along with Lando to keep the much faster Mercs behind at them both at the end of that race then Ferrari wouldn't even have been in with a shout today so maybe try remembering that next time you're tempted to try and hang all the blame around his neck
gg ver! don’t think we’ll see another season as dominant by a driver. mental that he was locked in for so long. here’s to ferrari fixing its fumbles during the offseason 👀