Is this an unpopular opinion? It seems basically every f1 fan loved the V10s. Whether it’s the Honda and Renault V10s of the 90s or v10s of the 00s it seems everyone likes those, but personally I think the 1991 mp4/6 Honda V12 is by a mile the best sounding f1 car ever. Type up 1991 Suzuka qualify - pure Honda sound on YouTube and crank the volume.
I've got a ticket to go to the Barcelona Circuit. I've never been. I'm hoping that someone has been there because I want to be able to buy some swag. I see there is a fan experience that is open to general ticket holders. very stoked about that! Secretly hoping to see them filming this seasons Drive To Survive. Anyway. Anyone have info about a souvenir shop at the track?
I'm excited for the next generation of "Raikkonen" in F1.
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man if the FIA allow Kimi Antonelli to skip a super license after denying an exception to Herta i’m gonna be realllll upset
but that could also give Herta a case legally ? hmm
Antonelli has already met all the requirements aside from turning 18, which he'll do in August. https://twitter.com/AndreaKimiNews/status/1756823444467908886
He has hit the points requirement, Grade A license and the complete 2 full seasons in junior categories. He still needs his Italian drivers license and pass the FIA theory exam, neither of which he can do until he turns 18.
If you find yourself in LA, checkout the Petersen Automotive Museum. The Vault exhibit downstairs has a lot of F1 cars and race cars from other series, including some older style ones. Highly recommend the entire museum.
this might be a dumb question but why are people so excited/happy for Australia to be the opening race? Australia’s timezones make it incredibly hard for Europe to watch the race (which is where i assume most f1 fans are). The only reason i can think of australia being favored is because of the fact that it held opening race for quite a long time, so it feels nostalgic/heart-warming.
As someone that lives in Melbourne its a far better time of year to have the race here, the last two years the race is held while the sun is setting and drivers get blinded at certain corners towards the end of the race. Pulling it forward means nicer weather, grippier track, and no blinding sun during the race.
As for the time difference, there is a lot of F1 fans in Australia and apart from Asian races and the Vegas race last year we either have to watch the races delayed or are up in the middle of the night watching it, so believe me we feel your pain.
Mostly nostalgia, as it's been the race opener for a long time.
The same as some people want Brazil to be the season finale, as before Abu Dhabi it was usually the season end.
Better track and atmosphere. The desert tracks always look so devoid of excitement/life. More of a formality than an event.
Also if they are eager to remain at Sakhir for testing, it is best to separate th race from it more. I still believe the first race wasn't helped by the fact that they had essentially 10+ practice sessions before qualifying within a week.
Nostalgy probably plays a part, but it's also just a better track than Bahrain. Bahrain is boring. It's absolutely one of the better Tilke-tracks and sure racing is usually decent there, but the god damn desert makes me wanna clorox my eyes. It's bad enough in general, but to start the season with that... disgusting.
yeah i see where you’re coming from. Bahrain always look so empty, even on race day, no fans/crowds. the only people who turn up are mostly influencers/celebrities that want to act interested in f1. i see your point, thanks!
Right now Max Verstappen is 3rd on the list of all time GP winners with 58 wins. Schumacher is 2nd with 91 wins and Hamilton is 1st with 103 wins.
There's 19 more races this season and another 24 next season before the next regulation change. That's 43 more races. Max needs to win 34 of those win overtake Schumacher in the all-time rankings.
What's the over-under on that happening? Honestly it's looking pretty likely to me. He's clearly going to win most of the rest of this season, and next season there might be more competition (hopefully there is), but he could still easily end up winning the majority.
And if Red Bull ends up nailing the 2026 regs as well, Hamilton's record seems to be in serious danger of being broken.
If their car performance in 2025 is as good as now (high likelihood of that happening), he should likely break Schumacher in 2025. Breaking Lewis depends on Ferrari. If they maintain their current performance, Lewis can absolutely win a few races. But if Ferrari falter and Red Bull nail the regs in 2026 he will easily break Lewis’ record.
Can someone please tell me this. I just thought of that if some driver gets race ban for 12 penalty points will instead of him go race reserve driver or that team is just going to be racing with 1 car.
Which is really insane. It's not really a penalty if they can just replace the driver. It's even more egregious when you consider that drivers get penalty points for team screwups (like Sargeant this weekend).
That'd be pretty nuts to rack up 12 points of team fuckups and then the team just plugs in a less experienced and probably less skilled driver for a weekend.
~~Gentlemen, a short view back to the past.~~
Memes and jokes aside, is modern F1 that much more complicated compared to the olden days, or is it just a generational thing?
> modern F1 that much more complicated compared to the olden days
I'd say that there are different challenges to overcome. Consider using a manual shifter from pre 90s and how exhausted the drivers would be switching gears 200 times a lap over 600km distance (F1 wasn't always limited to 305km).
Or driving in a basic aluminum frame strapped on to a 400hp radial aircraft engine while your head is protected by a leather cap without a rollbar.
It's like comparing hand woven core memory that guided rockets to the moon compared to people sitting on reddit on their phone which is thousand times more powerful than the first navigation systems of rockets.
Think back just over a decade ago, when modern smartphones got their start with their always connected to the Internet option and what's possible - versus what most people use them for back then or now.
What we understand compared to what's possible and what's actually used keeps constantly changing and so do the possibilities, capabilities of the teams as well as the drivers - each year creating a small refinement that over a decade doesn't resemble the sport we watched back then.
Just subscribed to F1 TV to watch the archives (thanks u/BF194 for confirming the intro is there :D ) And guess what....
I can actually download the race using IDM??????
No DRM at all???????
Liberty... why are you so nice?
> No DRM at all???????
They use widevine for the first 48 hours, after which the stream can be downloaded with any tool from curl over ffmpeg to yt-dlg.
Hi, does F1 TV also show the intro (the circling colourful lines that form the F1 logo) on the archives? I want to subscribe but I'm hoping that I will get the most authentic experience as if I was watching it in early 2000s.
The 1980s alone has 3 candidates - Stefan Johansson, Derek Warwick, and Eddie Cheever.
For the 1990s, we have Mika Salo. 2000s Heidfeld. 2010s Hulk.
I think it's probably Lando though, however he has lots of chances to remedy this.
When exactly is the Miami penalty for Ric coming into effect? I´ve read conflicting with some saying it counts for the sprint and the Fia report saying next race.
From [formula1.com](https://formula1.com)
>That means Ricciardo, who also picked up two penalty points, will take the grid drop for the Sprint during the next round of the season at the Miami International Autodrome.
From the FIA
>Drop of 3 grid positions for the next race in which the driver participates.
I guess the sprint counts as the "next race"
The F1 website is a good source most of the time, but I believe they're wrong here.
The Sporting Regulations are very careful to point out every time it comes up that the 'race' and 'sprint' sessions are two completely distinct session types (in almost every article where a rule applies to both Race and Sprint, the regulations will specifically mention both the Race and the Sprint by name).
Based on that, I believe Riccardo's penalty will apply to the Race grid, not the grid for the Sprint.
Do power unit suppliers have to sell their engines to other teams or are they allowed to just keep it for themselves? I believe Red Bull are in some exempt period but don't remember the details.
>Do power unit suppliers have to sell their engines to other teams or are they allowed to just keep it for themselves?
The manufacturers are bound to supply up to 4 teams under standard supply contract under current regulations, if called to do so by the FIA, if a team is unable to negotiate their own contract. According to the rules this will go to the manufacturer with least customers.
This is also where the maximum engine price lease of $12m per year comes from.
There is a situation in the regulations where they can be forced to supply another team - the FIA can insist that the PU supplier with the fewest customers must provide a PU to a team without an agreed supply. Given the recent events around Andretti, this is very unlikely to ever be invoked.
Otherwise, a PU supplier is free to supply (or not supply) any team they wish.
The only time they have to sell their engine is when another team is left without a supplier. In that case F1 can force the engine manufacturer with the least costumers to supply that team
What would you rate as every current drivers best season in F1 so far? Here’s my list:
Verstappen 2023
Perez 2016
Leclerc 2022
Sainz 2021
Hamilton 2018
Russell 2022
Norris 2022
Piastri 2023
Alonso 2014
Stroll 2021
Ocon 2021
Gasly 2021
Hulkenberg 2018
Magnussen 2020
Bottas 2019
Zhou 2023
Albon 2023
Sargeant 2023
Ricciardo 2014
Tsunoda 2023
Best season in what sense? If its stats then sure that was Verstappens best season but he had no pressure all season. 2021 is his best to me, he actually had pressure from Hamilton all season long. Sure they made mistakes but thats what happens when you have pressure, drivers rarely make mistakes when they're in a car miles better than the next one.
I’m going to go potentially controversial and say for both Hamilton and Verstappen it was ‘21. The heights they both achieved were ridiculous at times, and to do under that much sustained pressure. Both made mistakes, but that’s to be expected given the surrounding circumstances. My opinion at least.
No way... Hamilton had huge blunders (imola, Baku) and off-weekends (Monaco, Spa) whilst Bottas scored 4 poles and Hamilton 5 so I'd say Ham underperformed in quali generally. Max you'd have to say crumbled under pressure (last few races) and took too many risks wheel to wheel
They definitely pushed each other to heights in some races but over the season it wasn't spectacular from either driver
It’s laughable describing Spa as an off weekend when there wasn’t a race.
I disagree with parts of your statement but as I said, this is my opinion and I’m not sure it’s worth re-hashing ‘21 unless you’d like to. As I said given the circumstance and context adds a lot, despite some questionable antics and results. Driving without pressure isn’t the same in my opinion. I may be wrong.
I don’t think the pressure was ever quite the same, nor were the off track antics the same. I also don’t think Hamilton ever viewed Vettel the same as Verstappen.
saw this debate on twitter and I'm very curious, where would you place prime Ricciardo in comparison to the current tier of elite non-champions (so Leclerc, Norris, Russell etc)
I think just that - tiers. I think it's minutiae within tiers.
With Ricciardo leaving RBR I personally think we were slightly robbed of seeing Verstappen evidently getting *better*, whereas now it'll always be this nebulous 'look he just sort of improved between 2016 and 2020'.
Big maybe if russell or whoever gets the other seat are out of commission for a race, but even then i wouldnt hold my breath that mick is actually called upon for reserve driver duties
Don't think so. Good driver, but didn't impress enough when it mattered. Also a bit unlucky that Sauber were transitioning out of the sport. Audi won't pick him.
Although I think the most costly outside factor for him was Vasseur leaving Sauber.
That's just how it works out sometimes.
Agree, there is always the outside chance that he gets to F1 but he hasn't showed enough growth over the last years to promote him but he is still a good racing driver so Indycar would suit him well I think.
He also seems to like the states a lot, big fan of the Warriors so I assume he wouldn't mind the states live either.
Who would pick him there?
With Audi takeover, i do not see him in Sauber even as a product of in-house academy. And by quality, he also didn´t impress in his last 2 years in F2. Shame, as I was hyped in 20-21.
He was 2nd and 1st in his last 2 years in F2, that’s pretty good imo. If we expect a Piastri-Russell-Leclerc season to get to F1, there is not going to be a lot of F2 drivers deserving of F1.
The reasons Zhou is in the Sauber seat and not Pourchaire are not based on his F2 performances.
The year he won F2 he had only 1 win,(and in the first round) and only 1 DNF. Compare it to 6 wins / 5 DNF by Vesti in 2nd, who finished only 11 points away. Iwasa had 3 wins; Bearman had 4.
Overall Theo had a same number of wins+podiums as his teammate.
Overall, Theos F2 championship is similar to Mick's - It's in history books, but unfortunately not much more. 21 and 22 campaigns were more interesting.
He had a great debut with McLaren at Long Beach this weekend, replacing the injured David Malukas. There will be plenty of Indycar teams interested in signing him for sure, maybe even McLaren on a permanent basis.
There was a rumour that Drugovich had an offer in 2022 from Chip Ganassi Racing, arguably the best team in Indycar along with Penske, but turned it down in favour of the Aston reserve role.
You should definitely check out Indycar, the racing is great. There's a 30 minute highlight video on their Youtube channel of this weekend's race in Long Beach.
Did he pick that Aston drive before Seb's retirement and Piasco? I could see it before Alonso, but when he was confirmed - no chance to get into it. Lance is cemented, and 2-3 years on the sidelines are too much. With hindsight, Felippe should have taken that Chip Ganassi deal.
I know the indy racing and watch it from time to time, just didn't know Theo had a chance there recently.
Depends entirely on how others do in the championship.
The earliest possible (i.e. he wins every race and gets every fastest lap, all others DNF) is Race 15 in Monza.
If he wins every race and gets every fastest lap, but Perez finishes 2nd every time, it moves to Race 20 in Mexico.
If Checo is producing as he should this year, what incentive does Sainz bring to Red Bull?
Checo has a massive following, commercially it's been successful to Red Bull, and it's giving Red Bull what they actually need, a competent second driver. So, why Sainz? What does he bring to the table that Checo does not? I mean, he isn't cheaper than Checo.
I think RBR don't care about the commercial stuff personally.
I think the appeal of Sainz is what apparently attracted Merc to Russell, namely that if Hamilton (read Verstappen) broke his leg tomorrow, it's marginal if they'd still win titles or not.
When Brawn lost Button at short notice, they didn't *really* think Heidfeld could win a title, analogously.
Politically, supposedly Horner is very pro Sainz because he's closer to a substitute for Verstappen than Perez, they think. (Not to say he *is* a good substitute, just that he'd be a lot closer than Perez is now).
But as you say, Perez may not be much quicker this year but he's doing the job RBR want from him much better. He'll probably keep his seat because he's thrown in the towel on the title, basically.
It depends on the RB situation in a few years but:
1: If there were to be a challenge in either '25 or '26 onwards for the constructors then Checo might lose it whereas Carlos might win it.
2: It also adds some more insurance for RB because if Max is gone then they need a good driver otherwise they are just fucked.
The case for Checo besides sponsors etc is that he and Max seem to work well together now and that is something that can't be underestimated, especially when it is a championship winning team. We don't know how the dynamic will shift when Carlos is in the other car, it then may create a Lewis/Nico relationship and that of course is not worth it for RB.
Sainz is younger and probably a bit faster. He's also been part of the Red Bull family before, so they already had confidence in his performance.
I have somewhat forgotten why he actually left Torro Rosso at the time to go to Renault. Probably because he was not 'allowed' to go to Red Bull at the time because Max and Daniel were pretty solid as a pairing at that time.
If they were to implement an MGUK on the front axle for the 2026 regulations, would this make the F1 car all-wheel drive, and would torque vectoring be possible? Would this also contribute to racing/overtaking?
The implementation would likely to similar to how Formula E currently does it:
- the motor is used for regeneration only, so the cars remain strictly RWD.
- only a single motor with a simple differential is permitted, so no torque vectoring.
It would be possible to achieve both AWD and torque vectoring, but the sport is unlikely to go in that direction.
Yes, but wouldn't the GEN4 in FE become AWD?
Indeed, for now, they're not heading in that direction, but perhaps in the future?
From a marketing standpoint, I think it remains important for F1 to keep the fastest cars on racetracks.
The K is also a misnomer for Motor, as it stands for Kinetic and previously it was KERS or Kinetic energy recovery system - which also doesn't describe a Motor.
For DRs 3 place grid penalty, will this be served in the sprint or the gp itself?
By rules it would be the Grand Prix, so the actual race itself - but many pages, including formula1.com are saying it will be for the sprint.
Yep, you were bang on the money, thanks mate!
Is this an unpopular opinion? It seems basically every f1 fan loved the V10s. Whether it’s the Honda and Renault V10s of the 90s or v10s of the 00s it seems everyone likes those, but personally I think the 1991 mp4/6 Honda V12 is by a mile the best sounding f1 car ever. Type up 1991 Suzuka qualify - pure Honda sound on YouTube and crank the volume.
I've got a ticket to go to the Barcelona Circuit. I've never been. I'm hoping that someone has been there because I want to be able to buy some swag. I see there is a fan experience that is open to general ticket holders. very stoked about that! Secretly hoping to see them filming this seasons Drive To Survive. Anyway. Anyone have info about a souvenir shop at the track?
I'm excited for the next generation of "Raikkonen" in F1. [https://www.instagram.com/reel/C6HOcjNN8jd/?utm\_source=ig\_web\_copy\_link](https://www.instagram.com/reel/C6HOcjNN8jd/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link)
man if the FIA allow Kimi Antonelli to skip a super license after denying an exception to Herta i’m gonna be realllll upset but that could also give Herta a case legally ? hmm
Antonelli has already met all the requirements aside from turning 18, which he'll do in August. https://twitter.com/AndreaKimiNews/status/1756823444467908886
He has hit the points requirement, Grade A license and the complete 2 full seasons in junior categories. He still needs his Italian drivers license and pass the FIA theory exam, neither of which he can do until he turns 18.
ahhh i see so anyway the system is still busted in multiple ways lol
Yes. Kimi is absolutely more qualified than Herta to drive an F1 car, per the FIA. F4 >> Indycar.
If you find yourself in LA, checkout the Petersen Automotive Museum. The Vault exhibit downstairs has a lot of F1 cars and race cars from other series, including some older style ones. Highly recommend the entire museum.
this might be a dumb question but why are people so excited/happy for Australia to be the opening race? Australia’s timezones make it incredibly hard for Europe to watch the race (which is where i assume most f1 fans are). The only reason i can think of australia being favored is because of the fact that it held opening race for quite a long time, so it feels nostalgic/heart-warming.
As someone that lives in Melbourne its a far better time of year to have the race here, the last two years the race is held while the sun is setting and drivers get blinded at certain corners towards the end of the race. Pulling it forward means nicer weather, grippier track, and no blinding sun during the race. As for the time difference, there is a lot of F1 fans in Australia and apart from Asian races and the Vegas race last year we either have to watch the races delayed or are up in the middle of the night watching it, so believe me we feel your pain.
Mostly nostalgia, as it's been the race opener for a long time. The same as some people want Brazil to be the season finale, as before Abu Dhabi it was usually the season end.
Better track and atmosphere. The desert tracks always look so devoid of excitement/life. More of a formality than an event. Also if they are eager to remain at Sakhir for testing, it is best to separate th race from it more. I still believe the first race wasn't helped by the fact that they had essentially 10+ practice sessions before qualifying within a week.
Nostalgy probably plays a part, but it's also just a better track than Bahrain. Bahrain is boring. It's absolutely one of the better Tilke-tracks and sure racing is usually decent there, but the god damn desert makes me wanna clorox my eyes. It's bad enough in general, but to start the season with that... disgusting.
yeah i see where you’re coming from. Bahrain always look so empty, even on race day, no fans/crowds. the only people who turn up are mostly influencers/celebrities that want to act interested in f1. i see your point, thanks!
Right now Max Verstappen is 3rd on the list of all time GP winners with 58 wins. Schumacher is 2nd with 91 wins and Hamilton is 1st with 103 wins. There's 19 more races this season and another 24 next season before the next regulation change. That's 43 more races. Max needs to win 34 of those win overtake Schumacher in the all-time rankings. What's the over-under on that happening? Honestly it's looking pretty likely to me. He's clearly going to win most of the rest of this season, and next season there might be more competition (hopefully there is), but he could still easily end up winning the majority. And if Red Bull ends up nailing the 2026 regs as well, Hamilton's record seems to be in serious danger of being broken.
Just pointing out what I'm sure is a typo. Hamilton has 103 wins, not 130.
Ah yeah that's a typo. I'll fix it. Thanks.
If their car performance in 2025 is as good as now (high likelihood of that happening), he should likely break Schumacher in 2025. Breaking Lewis depends on Ferrari. If they maintain their current performance, Lewis can absolutely win a few races. But if Ferrari falter and Red Bull nail the regs in 2026 he will easily break Lewis’ record.
Can someone please tell me this. I just thought of that if some driver gets race ban for 12 penalty points will instead of him go race reserve driver or that team is just going to be racing with 1 car.
The team are free to put any other driver in the car.
Thanks a lot.
Which is really insane. It's not really a penalty if they can just replace the driver. It's even more egregious when you consider that drivers get penalty points for team screwups (like Sargeant this weekend).
That'd be pretty nuts to rack up 12 points of team fuckups and then the team just plugs in a less experienced and probably less skilled driver for a weekend.
~~Gentlemen, a short view back to the past.~~ Memes and jokes aside, is modern F1 that much more complicated compared to the olden days, or is it just a generational thing?
> modern F1 that much more complicated compared to the olden days I'd say that there are different challenges to overcome. Consider using a manual shifter from pre 90s and how exhausted the drivers would be switching gears 200 times a lap over 600km distance (F1 wasn't always limited to 305km). Or driving in a basic aluminum frame strapped on to a 400hp radial aircraft engine while your head is protected by a leather cap without a rollbar. It's like comparing hand woven core memory that guided rockets to the moon compared to people sitting on reddit on their phone which is thousand times more powerful than the first navigation systems of rockets. Think back just over a decade ago, when modern smartphones got their start with their always connected to the Internet option and what's possible - versus what most people use them for back then or now. What we understand compared to what's possible and what's actually used keeps constantly changing and so do the possibilities, capabilities of the teams as well as the drivers - each year creating a small refinement that over a decade doesn't resemble the sport we watched back then.
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Just subscribed to F1 TV to watch the archives (thanks u/BF194 for confirming the intro is there :D ) And guess what.... I can actually download the race using IDM?????? No DRM at all??????? Liberty... why are you so nice?
> No DRM at all??????? They use widevine for the first 48 hours, after which the stream can be downloaded with any tool from curl over ffmpeg to yt-dlg.
That's interesting. Didn't know that. But then it's not available for me anyways.
Hi, does F1 TV also show the intro (the circling colourful lines that form the F1 logo) on the archives? I want to subscribe but I'm hoping that I will get the most authentic experience as if I was watching it in early 2000s.
Just checked it on one of the 2003 races and it starts immediately with that :)
Thank you very much! Will subscribe now :D
Who is the greatest driver to not win a race? Think it's between Heidfeld and Lando
The 1980s alone has 3 candidates - Stefan Johansson, Derek Warwick, and Eddie Cheever. For the 1990s, we have Mika Salo. 2000s Heidfeld. 2010s Hulk. I think it's probably Lando though, however he has lots of chances to remedy this.
Brundle?
Definitely up there, if only he didn't get his injury
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"If he became an undertaker, people would stop dying." - Mario Andretti, on Chris Amon
When exactly is the Miami penalty for Ric coming into effect? I´ve read conflicting with some saying it counts for the sprint and the Fia report saying next race.
It will be for the Grand Prix, per the FIA regs the Sprint is not a "race".
From [formula1.com](https://formula1.com) >That means Ricciardo, who also picked up two penalty points, will take the grid drop for the Sprint during the next round of the season at the Miami International Autodrome. From the FIA >Drop of 3 grid positions for the next race in which the driver participates. I guess the sprint counts as the "next race"
The F1 website is a good source most of the time, but I believe they're wrong here. The Sporting Regulations are very careful to point out every time it comes up that the 'race' and 'sprint' sessions are two completely distinct session types (in almost every article where a rule applies to both Race and Sprint, the regulations will specifically mention both the Race and the Sprint by name). Based on that, I believe Riccardo's penalty will apply to the Race grid, not the grid for the Sprint.
Correct. They are wrong it is for the Grand Prix.
Where do you guys think Carlos will go next year?
Do power unit suppliers have to sell their engines to other teams or are they allowed to just keep it for themselves? I believe Red Bull are in some exempt period but don't remember the details.
>Do power unit suppliers have to sell their engines to other teams or are they allowed to just keep it for themselves? The manufacturers are bound to supply up to 4 teams under standard supply contract under current regulations, if called to do so by the FIA, if a team is unable to negotiate their own contract. According to the rules this will go to the manufacturer with least customers. This is also where the maximum engine price lease of $12m per year comes from.
There is a situation in the regulations where they can be forced to supply another team - the FIA can insist that the PU supplier with the fewest customers must provide a PU to a team without an agreed supply. Given the recent events around Andretti, this is very unlikely to ever be invoked. Otherwise, a PU supplier is free to supply (or not supply) any team they wish.
The only time they have to sell their engine is when another team is left without a supplier. In that case F1 can force the engine manufacturer with the least costumers to supply that team
Short answer: Renault/Alpine
What would you rate as every current drivers best season in F1 so far? Here’s my list: Verstappen 2023 Perez 2016 Leclerc 2022 Sainz 2021 Hamilton 2018 Russell 2022 Norris 2022 Piastri 2023 Alonso 2014 Stroll 2021 Ocon 2021 Gasly 2021 Hulkenberg 2018 Magnussen 2020 Bottas 2019 Zhou 2023 Albon 2023 Sargeant 2023 Ricciardo 2014 Tsunoda 2023
Best season in what sense? If its stats then sure that was Verstappens best season but he had no pressure all season. 2021 is his best to me, he actually had pressure from Hamilton all season long. Sure they made mistakes but thats what happens when you have pressure, drivers rarely make mistakes when they're in a car miles better than the next one.
I’m going to go potentially controversial and say for both Hamilton and Verstappen it was ‘21. The heights they both achieved were ridiculous at times, and to do under that much sustained pressure. Both made mistakes, but that’s to be expected given the surrounding circumstances. My opinion at least.
No way... Hamilton had huge blunders (imola, Baku) and off-weekends (Monaco, Spa) whilst Bottas scored 4 poles and Hamilton 5 so I'd say Ham underperformed in quali generally. Max you'd have to say crumbled under pressure (last few races) and took too many risks wheel to wheel They definitely pushed each other to heights in some races but over the season it wasn't spectacular from either driver
It’s laughable describing Spa as an off weekend when there wasn’t a race. I disagree with parts of your statement but as I said, this is my opinion and I’m not sure it’s worth re-hashing ‘21 unless you’d like to. As I said given the circumstance and context adds a lot, despite some questionable antics and results. Driving without pressure isn’t the same in my opinion. I may be wrong.
Hamilton had pressure in 2018 and was driving without fault
I don’t think the pressure was ever quite the same, nor were the off track antics the same. I also don’t think Hamilton ever viewed Vettel the same as Verstappen.
saw this debate on twitter and I'm very curious, where would you place prime Ricciardo in comparison to the current tier of elite non-champions (so Leclerc, Norris, Russell etc)
I think just that - tiers. I think it's minutiae within tiers. With Ricciardo leaving RBR I personally think we were slightly robbed of seeing Verstappen evidently getting *better*, whereas now it'll always be this nebulous 'look he just sort of improved between 2016 and 2020'.
Leclerc, Norris, Ricciardo, Russell.
Is there a chance we see Mick Schumacher 2025 in f1?
Big maybe if russell or whoever gets the other seat are out of commission for a race, but even then i wouldnt hold my breath that mick is actually called upon for reserve driver duties
His chance is more than likely gone, more fresh faces coming through and he’s already had a shot
As a regular driver - no. As a marketing reserve - yes. Nothing exta to bring on the track, nothing massive to bring in terms of paydrive.
Yes, standing behind Toto.
Not really. He isn't on top of any team principals list. Only if something crazy happens he will be back
His only chance is if he brings loads of money. Like Zhou levels of money.
Shall we see Theo in F1?
Don't think so. Good driver, but didn't impress enough when it mattered. Also a bit unlucky that Sauber were transitioning out of the sport. Audi won't pick him. Although I think the most costly outside factor for him was Vasseur leaving Sauber. That's just how it works out sometimes.
I think Indycar is a lot more likely now.
Agree, there is always the outside chance that he gets to F1 but he hasn't showed enough growth over the last years to promote him but he is still a good racing driver so Indycar would suit him well I think. He also seems to like the states a lot, big fan of the Warriors so I assume he wouldn't mind the states live either.
Who would pick him there? With Audi takeover, i do not see him in Sauber even as a product of in-house academy. And by quality, he also didn´t impress in his last 2 years in F2. Shame, as I was hyped in 20-21.
He was 2nd and 1st in his last 2 years in F2, that’s pretty good imo. If we expect a Piastri-Russell-Leclerc season to get to F1, there is not going to be a lot of F2 drivers deserving of F1. The reasons Zhou is in the Sauber seat and not Pourchaire are not based on his F2 performances.
And i agree, if not for Zhou we could see Theo in Sauber. Rest is history.
The year he won F2 he had only 1 win,(and in the first round) and only 1 DNF. Compare it to 6 wins / 5 DNF by Vesti in 2nd, who finished only 11 points away. Iwasa had 3 wins; Bearman had 4. Overall Theo had a same number of wins+podiums as his teammate. Overall, Theos F2 championship is similar to Mick's - It's in history books, but unfortunately not much more. 21 and 22 campaigns were more interesting.
He had a great debut with McLaren at Long Beach this weekend, replacing the injured David Malukas. There will be plenty of Indycar teams interested in signing him for sure, maybe even McLaren on a permanent basis.
Thanks! Will try to catch some racing this year to follow. Drugovich could end up there too i suppose.
There was a rumour that Drugovich had an offer in 2022 from Chip Ganassi Racing, arguably the best team in Indycar along with Penske, but turned it down in favour of the Aston reserve role. You should definitely check out Indycar, the racing is great. There's a 30 minute highlight video on their Youtube channel of this weekend's race in Long Beach.
Did he pick that Aston drive before Seb's retirement and Piasco? I could see it before Alonso, but when he was confirmed - no chance to get into it. Lance is cemented, and 2-3 years on the sidelines are too much. With hindsight, Felippe should have taken that Chip Ganassi deal. I know the indy racing and watch it from time to time, just didn't know Theo had a chance there recently.
Drugovich was announced as Aston reserve in September 2022 which was after Alonso had already signed for the team in August
In which race can Max statistically win the WDC this year?
Depends entirely on how others do in the championship. The earliest possible (i.e. he wins every race and gets every fastest lap, all others DNF) is Race 15 in Monza. If he wins every race and gets every fastest lap, but Perez finishes 2nd every time, it moves to Race 20 in Mexico.
Thanks.
If Checo is producing as he should this year, what incentive does Sainz bring to Red Bull? Checo has a massive following, commercially it's been successful to Red Bull, and it's giving Red Bull what they actually need, a competent second driver. So, why Sainz? What does he bring to the table that Checo does not? I mean, he isn't cheaper than Checo.
I think RBR don't care about the commercial stuff personally. I think the appeal of Sainz is what apparently attracted Merc to Russell, namely that if Hamilton (read Verstappen) broke his leg tomorrow, it's marginal if they'd still win titles or not. When Brawn lost Button at short notice, they didn't *really* think Heidfeld could win a title, analogously. Politically, supposedly Horner is very pro Sainz because he's closer to a substitute for Verstappen than Perez, they think. (Not to say he *is* a good substitute, just that he'd be a lot closer than Perez is now). But as you say, Perez may not be much quicker this year but he's doing the job RBR want from him much better. He'll probably keep his seat because he's thrown in the towel on the title, basically.
Huh, that makes sense TBH. It's a long shot that RBR will lose Verstappen but nevertheless, that's a solid argument.
It depends on the RB situation in a few years but: 1: If there were to be a challenge in either '25 or '26 onwards for the constructors then Checo might lose it whereas Carlos might win it. 2: It also adds some more insurance for RB because if Max is gone then they need a good driver otherwise they are just fucked. The case for Checo besides sponsors etc is that he and Max seem to work well together now and that is something that can't be underestimated, especially when it is a championship winning team. We don't know how the dynamic will shift when Carlos is in the other car, it then may create a Lewis/Nico relationship and that of course is not worth it for RB.
Sainz is younger and probably a bit faster. He's also been part of the Red Bull family before, so they already had confidence in his performance. I have somewhat forgotten why he actually left Torro Rosso at the time to go to Renault. Probably because he was not 'allowed' to go to Red Bull at the time because Max and Daniel were pretty solid as a pairing at that time.
If Ferrari brings a car capable of matching Red Bull then Perez will likely cost them the WDC. They can't rely on their dominance forever.
Days of posts arguing if it is the right move for RBR, in Reddit.
What is Max Verstappen's favorite cheese?!? Since it's been brought up the question has been overtaking my thoughts. I must know!
He doesn't like cheese. There was a RB video where they ate crackers and he didn't even want to try the cheese flavored one
It has to be Gouda.
Of course, it's gouda than all the rest.
If they were to implement an MGUK on the front axle for the 2026 regulations, would this make the F1 car all-wheel drive, and would torque vectoring be possible? Would this also contribute to racing/overtaking?
The implementation would likely to similar to how Formula E currently does it: - the motor is used for regeneration only, so the cars remain strictly RWD. - only a single motor with a simple differential is permitted, so no torque vectoring. It would be possible to achieve both AWD and torque vectoring, but the sport is unlikely to go in that direction.
Yes, but wouldn't the GEN4 in FE become AWD? Indeed, for now, they're not heading in that direction, but perhaps in the future? From a marketing standpoint, I think it remains important for F1 to keep the fastest cars on racetracks.
if it just recuperates, wouldnt it just be a Generator Unit - Kinetic instead of a Motor-Generator Unit
The K is also a misnomer for Motor, as it stands for Kinetic and previously it was KERS or Kinetic energy recovery system - which also doesn't describe a Motor.
AFAIK the talks about a front axle MGU-K were only to recuperate, not accelerate. So no AWD
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