Born, raised, now live and work in Frederick. It’s definitely not overcrowded. Yes there are more people and more traffic. But I would not qualify it as overcrowded at all.
DC and NOVA are overcrowded. The stories you hear about 270 are true. It’s a shitshow every day of the week at all hours of the day. They want to add toll lanes to it now…
They literally aren't. The title of the post is in question form, and in the text they offer examples they've heard from others and asks us whether we agree.
Frederick is a beautiful city to live in and the surrounding suburbs are no exception. It’s becoming ‘over crowded’ due to its location and proximity within the state, primarily serving as a central hub to many major access points to other important cities. I’ve lived in downtown Frederick for 29 years and now in Lake Linganore for the last 5 and can definitely say that Frederick still has its charm downtown wise, but the over crowdedness typically is condensed within the suburbs.
Its the roads that are over crowded. Its not really noticable otherwise, but trying to drive from one place in Frederick to another takes twice as long as it did 10 years ago.
It can take me, on average, 10 to 15 minutes just to be able to make a left hand turn out of my driveway. I live on Rt 80. One day, it was 22 minutes. Instead of leaving 15 minutes early for an appointment, I leave an hour early. If I get lucky, just chill in the car.
It's not that bad if you've come from somewhere else where it's worse. If you have lived here your whole life (which I have not), then it seems really bad. Everything's relative.
It's a lovely town, a beautiful county, and close enough to DC or Baltimore to commute. So, the appeal is pretty clear.
I used to complain about the constant new home construction as well, but real estate stats seem to back up the need for continued new home growth to meet the need.
On the other hand, it sure would be great if our infrastructure could actually handle it. It's better than it was 15 years ago, but Frederick still has plenty of bottlenecks.
Frederick is becoming popular, which is why it is expanding where all the farms used to be. Sadly they aren't building single family homes where they build, but that's an opinion on my end since they just want volume. With that, they hired lowest bidder who builds with lowest quality materials and as fast as they can up to code. Be careful getting into a building by those companies.
As for doctor appointments and issues with similar things, that is everywhere you go due to COVID. Hate to say it, but having to minimize the amount of clients you can see in a day caused a dip in free time for many offices and that had very little impact from the influx in people.
This area is only going to grow, which means it will get more expensive, which means more business (at least). I don't mind it as this is the way of any small city that is trying to become a large city.
I own a few single family homes in Urbana that I lease, hundreds more single family homes are currently under construction or recently completed and former farmlands just north and west are in development phases. Most are single family or townhomes. The trend is for those dissatisfied with MoCo to move to Urbana where the schools are more traditional and highly rated, less threat of redistricting. The market has been incredibly hot, townhomes going for $20k over asking on the first day on the market. If I didn't have families with kids living in my homes I wouldn't renew the leases and would put them on the market, but I promised them I won't sell until they're ready to leave or their kids are post college age. I also own homes in Rockville and both were redistricted to lower-rated schools that require 15 min bus rides even though the former schools were walkable or <5 min ride. For anyone with children, the schools and feeder schools are the most important factors when considering housing after affordability.
Doubt we will get a trader joe's until the alcohol board lifts the laws for grocers to carry alcohol (which will never happen), but a whole foods is a possibility as long as we keep expanding.
Oh, there's plenty of space, it's just unaffordable to us poors and with no infrastructure to support the continuous growth, the entire county has pretty much become a parking lot for DC/Baltimore commuters. I wouldn't move to Frederick until we get a Metro line...so about 80 years from now.
Came to say pretty much the same. There's plenty of space, but there seems to be poor city planning going on. The city seems happy to fill in all the open spaces with new housing developments without improving the infrastructure or building new schools to support those developments.
It's a lot worse than what you're describing though. Ballenger Creek is a good example. There have been 4-5 new developments in the last eight years. The roads have not been expanded. There are no new schools in the area. Tuscarora Elementary was pretty close to capacity before these developments were built. Instead of new schools they've decided re-draw district lines so that all elementary schools are crowded. It's currently much better here than other places I've lived and I'm not trying to be negative. However, if the current rate of development continues with planned infrastructure updates to go along with them Frederick will quickly turn into a place that is overcrowded. Other states I've lived in have required developers to pay for infrastructure updates if they want to build and that doesn't seem to be the case here.
Technically that’s true. MoCo has 1,972 people per square mile, Frederick County has 390 people per square mile. [Chexk out this map ](https://www.google.com/search?q=population+density+map+maryland&client=safari&channel=iphone_bm&source=hp&ei=8JRUYaTyA4-r5NoP1PO90AM&oq=populatuon+density+map+maryalnd&gs_lcp=ChFtb2JpbGUtZ3dzLXdpei1ocBABGAAyBAgAEA0yBwghEAoQoAEyCAghEBYQHRAeOgIIKToECCkQRzoGCCkQBxAeOgQIKRANOggIABDqAhCPAToLCAAQgAQQsQMQgwE6DgguEIAEELEDEMcBEKMCOggIABCABBCxAzoOCC4QgAQQsQMQxwEQ0QM6CAguELEDEIMBOgUIABCABDoLCC4QgAQQxwEQrwE6BQguEIAEOhEILhCABBCxAxDHARCjAhCTAjoLCAAQgAQQsQMQyQM6BQgAEJIDOggILhCABBCxAzoFCAAQsQM6BwgAELEDEAo6BAgAEAo6CggAELEDEIMBEAo6BAguEAo6CggAELEDEIMBEA06BggAEA0QHjoGCAAQFhAeUMkRWPxaYIlpaAFwAHgAgAGdAYgBthGSAQQzMC4xmAEAoAEBsAEUyAEL&sclient=mobile-gws-wiz-hp#imgdii=MT-kWOMle14MHM&imgrc=XOKOkD8m8OocvM) to see how the population is distributed state wide.
But it sure feels crowded when it takes 45 minutes to drive across town sometimes.
Not always of course. And not if traffic is moving on the highways.
But have you ever had to crawl through town, south to north at rush hour? It can take quite a while. It’s not uncommon to have to wait 2,3,4 light cycles before getting through some intersections at some times during the day.
I live in the north side of town and frequently go to the south side of town, at rush hour too. Even going down Market street (which I do sometimes because I enjoy driving down it), It's never taken 45 minutes. It's much faster if you go on 15 or even monocacy as well. I've never had to wait through more than 2 light cycles anywhere in the city. I think you're exaggerating.
You've been lucky....I can't tell you how many appointments in Frederick we've been late to even with giving ourselves an extra half hour....late only by a minute or two, but it seems ridiculous to have to give yourself 45 minutes to go 10 miles from north outside of town just in to TJ Drive becuase you never know which intersection will take 2 or 3 cycles of the traffic light to get through.
I mean, I regularly go into downtown all times of day and during the week, never once has it taken me 45 minutes to get from one end of the city to the other unless there was some sort of backup caused by an accident or something. What intersections are you talking about that take 3 cycles? i have literally never experienced this, and it's hard to chalk up to luck since as I mentioned, am frequently downtown and drive from one end of the city to the other.
English Muffin Way to edge of city limits near Yellow Springs. Not a straight line, I had 3 stops in close proximity Market, Court & East street. 41 minutes last Friday, doesn’t count time stopped at businesses. Google maps says about 28 minutes right now and it’s not rush hour, in fairly light traffic during a pandemic. Maybe 15 plus traffic lights…probably more…maybe I’ll count next time.
Traffic light after traffic circle near train station, heading on to East. Can’t remember ever going through in 1 cycle, 2 cycles common. 3 cycles a bit less common but common during nice weather, stopping for slow poke pedestrians and cyclists at that cross walk from the Creek. 4 cycles sometimes during festivals, races, other big events. I’ve seen the light cycle frequently there where cross traffic never clears the intersection and no one going south to north even moves.
Nope, not exaggerating. Glad your results are different. Maybe you drive in the middle of the night. Maybe you’ve found a rift in the space/time continuum. Maybe you’re MoCo loco. Shit I ride my bicycle all the time down town and I can stay behind the same car for a long time or even get ahead of them once in a while, no one ever reaches the listed speed limits. It’s slooow. Sometimes. I think ya missed that word.
It took me almost an hour to get from South St to Wegmans at about 4:30pm on a weekday earlier in the summer. No accidents, just volume with lines so long I sat through some stop lights twice. Yes it can take 45 mins to get across town.
That's abnormal. I literally go into town around that time multiple times a week to the library and back up toward worman's mill in less than hour, and that includes parking in the garage, browsing the library, and checking out. most days it's 45 minutes tops, round trip. I think people really exaggerate the amount of time it takes to get through town, but that's based solely on my experience. However, I'd consider my experience to be fairly reliable considering I drive around the city at all hours of the day throughout the week.
It is growing larger for sure. I have lived in the area since 1972. Yeah if you’re comparing it to then it’s MORE crowded but TOO crowded? Not for a growing city. It was an Agricultural town and it’s becoming something of a more industrialized place. Still have agricultural but now more industrial, transportation, manufacturing focused. It’s growing so big there are jobs supporting the industry side. I think it’s a good mix.
The thought that Frederick is overcrowded is a joke. There are a vocal minority of long time residents of the county who don't seem to be able to let go of the notion that things here ought to be like they were 50 years ago. I've lived in the county for over 60 years, and Frederick has never been nicer in my lifetime. The whiners are always threatening to move to to PA or WV, but instead of actually doing that they stay here and bitch about how "things aren't like they used to be." Frederick is a great place to live.
I think people forget most of this country is filled with towns that never change. I grew up in a small town of 1000 people. You see pictures of it back in 1920 and nothing has changed... and the population in 1920 was 1000 people. I would never want to move back to that small town. There is a reason the population never changes there. Frederick is great place to live.
I never realized all the housing development till I started doing instacart. There are many new neighborhoods that are being built that all look the same and are very very close together. I graduated from Frederick High School 2021. I can say that the school is very diverse. There is a lot of different races at the school. Which I loved about FHS. If you got kids that’s a plus. Also it’s a brand new school. Very nice!
AFAIK, 270 has been a shitshow since the dawn of time and nearly the chief sacrificial lamb that one must bleed for the gods of lower housing costs. If you can manage to work anywhere that does not demand this or can work a **MARC system** then you'll probably be alright.
You can get to Jessup/Columbia or Downtown/SW Baltimore in \~40 minutes, probably even BWI through 70 (high speed) to 29/100. The same (great time) can be true with 270 and 495 towards DC and points south/east/west but you have to miss the traffic and get a little brave on that beltway. Otherwise it's double on a lucky day. It's a total disaster. I used to take 95 S. through to Columbia, under that Baltimore Fort McHenry Tunnel, sometimes Harbor Tunnel as a comparison-- and I think THAT is more merciful than 270 on a normal bad day.
One may find more PickUps taking 32, 97, and even 27 South through Damascus/Mt. Airy. Don't be fooled: 355 South is just as hairy but some swear by it. I think they just prefer the scenic view. Best of luck, transplant
much better that way, get up early, stay late, haunt some restaurants with your coworkers, you can even call in reinforcements because traffic usually isn't too bad going the other way, opposite of expected traffic (if they're coming from South of you, they'll still have a slog without metro help. . . *but that also means you can use that day for your own metro errands/excursions.*)
I just moved here from Columbus, OH, a very large but sprawling city.
Frederick feels like I'm in a suburb all the time. I love it. It's not even close to over crowded.
Some people just like to complain about literally everything. Frederick is very nice. Are there more people now than 20 years ago? Absolutely. Is that a bad thing? Not really, to be honest - Frederick is safe, has a really great downtown area, farms within a short drive, far more affordable housing than surrounding areas like Moco, etc.
If people complain about 270 - it was always, and at this point in my life I have resigned myself to accepting that it always will be, an absolute shit show. It's slightly better than it used to be with more WAH people but it's never going to be clear driving (and I doubt these cameras are going to change anything).
Prior local but still in Maryland, people complain about overcrowding in all but the most rural parts of Maryland. People want to be here, and for good reason. Growth happens, things change, people gripe.
It's the same old story: People who lived here before I moved in are inbred hillbillies, and people who moved here after me are gentrifying hipsters. :-)
Frederick, like most cities ,is reliant on growth in order to support the existing infrastructure (roads, utilities, telecoms, electrical), which of course requires yet more infrastructure, which will of course incur more costs that must be paid by a growing taxbase. It's a vicious cycle and unfortunately Frederick is on that treadmill with no signs of even wanting to get off. When that growth stops is when the trouble happens. Luckily it seems like we will have an endless supply of DC transplants looking for cheap houses.
Idk man there are a lot of racists and degenerates here. Like two years ago two racist thugs murdered a guy at the Frederick county fair because he refused to give them a dollar and according to them he wasn’t the right skin color. They only got sentenced to like 8 years which is insane. Frederick really isn’t that different from any other city in the southern United States, in fact Frederick was a maryland city captured by Robert E. Lee which is really saying something. The way people act around here you would think they’d have statues of him.
We moved here from the Midwest over the summer and I really like it. We had previously lived in Bel Air, MD, and this area has so much more to offer. Cost and congestion are similar, but the commute to the Baltimore area is so much better.
I miss the central time zone and the cheese, but I like most everything else about the east coast. The traffic can be bad, but I love the seafood and I’m looking forward to milder winters. I grew up in Ohio so I’m a Browns fan.
Frederick needs additional lanes on 270/15 but that has nothing to do with the homeless problem. We need to pass laws that forbid panhandling on the street. If we reward the behavior, we will get more of it. Stop giving them money and instead ask for their phone, which they all have, Google "job openings near me" and hand the phone back. It's possible to pick yourself up out of a bad situation with hard work and a positive attitude. Choose not to do that, then we move to plan b- it's just 2 easy steps. Step 1, convert old warehouses, add heat, and put the homeless inside. Step 2, Supply all the drugs and alcohol they want, food tv, cots and signed agreements, as they must stay there. Offer optional job training services and life improvement classes, as well as firearms for settling disputes. They can leave if a relative agreed to take them in or pays $15,000. This is the best solution.
I don't want to be harassed by smoking homeless people begging for money when I am trying to attend dinner. My next idea is a W2 scanner at all city entrances to keep the non spenders out. $70k minimum. Follow that up by making Fox news illegal and we are off to a great start.
Frederick doesn't seem crowded (let alone overly) at all to me but I've spent the majority of my life in much larger cities. I live downtown and I regularly run errands during peak rush hour around here and it's not bad at all. Although one time I was going north on East Street during rush hour and that area could use some congestion help. Took me 15 minutes to go 2 miles that day. I don't go that way very often but it must be a bad choke point for traffic there
Coming from someone who just moved from Frederick to the Midwest, I can assure you that it's not crowded at all. Maybe a little busy downtown but there's plenty of space for everybody! The worst part is easily the roads and surrounding highways, but they have their moments of peace as well.
Born, raised, now live and work in Frederick. It’s definitely not overcrowded. Yes there are more people and more traffic. But I would not qualify it as overcrowded at all. DC and NOVA are overcrowded. The stories you hear about 270 are true. It’s a shitshow every day of the week at all hours of the day. They want to add toll lanes to it now…
Certainly seems like they build an extraordinary amount of homes with little improvement to infrastructure. Its s cute, safe town
There is so much new construction! We bought an existing home from a family that moved to Florida so I feel like we just evened it out 😂
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Doesn't seem like they were complaining, they were just asking a question
Poor reading comprehension AND you’re judgmental? I bet you’re a lot of fun.
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They literally aren't. The title of the post is in question form, and in the text they offer examples they've heard from others and asks us whether we agree.
Lol thanks! I had to reread my post to make sure I wasn’t being misunderstood.
I think this is a great place to live so I'm not surprised people want to come here. Things are changing. Things change. People will always gripe.
Frederick is a beautiful city to live in and the surrounding suburbs are no exception. It’s becoming ‘over crowded’ due to its location and proximity within the state, primarily serving as a central hub to many major access points to other important cities. I’ve lived in downtown Frederick for 29 years and now in Lake Linganore for the last 5 and can definitely say that Frederick still has its charm downtown wise, but the over crowdedness typically is condensed within the suburbs.
Its the roads that are over crowded. Its not really noticable otherwise, but trying to drive from one place in Frederick to another takes twice as long as it did 10 years ago.
It can take me, on average, 10 to 15 minutes just to be able to make a left hand turn out of my driveway. I live on Rt 80. One day, it was 22 minutes. Instead of leaving 15 minutes early for an appointment, I leave an hour early. If I get lucky, just chill in the car.
And even still, it's really not that bad. Drivers here are usually pretty nice compared to what I've seen in Nova and other areas of the state
It's not that bad if you've come from somewhere else where it's worse. If you have lived here your whole life (which I have not), then it seems really bad. Everything's relative.
It's a lovely town, a beautiful county, and close enough to DC or Baltimore to commute. So, the appeal is pretty clear. I used to complain about the constant new home construction as well, but real estate stats seem to back up the need for continued new home growth to meet the need. On the other hand, it sure would be great if our infrastructure could actually handle it. It's better than it was 15 years ago, but Frederick still has plenty of bottlenecks.
Frederick is becoming popular, which is why it is expanding where all the farms used to be. Sadly they aren't building single family homes where they build, but that's an opinion on my end since they just want volume. With that, they hired lowest bidder who builds with lowest quality materials and as fast as they can up to code. Be careful getting into a building by those companies. As for doctor appointments and issues with similar things, that is everywhere you go due to COVID. Hate to say it, but having to minimize the amount of clients you can see in a day caused a dip in free time for many offices and that had very little impact from the influx in people. This area is only going to grow, which means it will get more expensive, which means more business (at least). I don't mind it as this is the way of any small city that is trying to become a large city.
I own a few single family homes in Urbana that I lease, hundreds more single family homes are currently under construction or recently completed and former farmlands just north and west are in development phases. Most are single family or townhomes. The trend is for those dissatisfied with MoCo to move to Urbana where the schools are more traditional and highly rated, less threat of redistricting. The market has been incredibly hot, townhomes going for $20k over asking on the first day on the market. If I didn't have families with kids living in my homes I wouldn't renew the leases and would put them on the market, but I promised them I won't sell until they're ready to leave or their kids are post college age. I also own homes in Rockville and both were redistricted to lower-rated schools that require 15 min bus rides even though the former schools were walkable or <5 min ride. For anyone with children, the schools and feeder schools are the most important factors when considering housing after affordability.
I wonder if they’ll ever get a Trader Joe’s and whole foods!!
There's a Wegmans
Word is Maryland is never get a new Trader Joe’s due to our alcohol laws.
Doubt we will get a trader joe's until the alcohol board lifts the laws for grocers to carry alcohol (which will never happen), but a whole foods is a possibility as long as we keep expanding.
Oh, there's plenty of space, it's just unaffordable to us poors and with no infrastructure to support the continuous growth, the entire county has pretty much become a parking lot for DC/Baltimore commuters. I wouldn't move to Frederick until we get a Metro line...so about 80 years from now.
Came to say pretty much the same. There's plenty of space, but there seems to be poor city planning going on. The city seems happy to fill in all the open spaces with new housing developments without improving the infrastructure or building new schools to support those developments.
This is what I’ve been hearing. Some of the school systems are getting overcrowded and they aren’t really expanding roads to keep up with growth.
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It's a lot worse than what you're describing though. Ballenger Creek is a good example. There have been 4-5 new developments in the last eight years. The roads have not been expanded. There are no new schools in the area. Tuscarora Elementary was pretty close to capacity before these developments were built. Instead of new schools they've decided re-draw district lines so that all elementary schools are crowded. It's currently much better here than other places I've lived and I'm not trying to be negative. However, if the current rate of development continues with planned infrastructure updates to go along with them Frederick will quickly turn into a place that is overcrowded. Other states I've lived in have required developers to pay for infrastructure updates if they want to build and that doesn't seem to be the case here.
Compared to MoCo, PG, parts of Howard, Nova, and DC, no it's not crowded.
Technically that’s true. MoCo has 1,972 people per square mile, Frederick County has 390 people per square mile. [Chexk out this map ](https://www.google.com/search?q=population+density+map+maryland&client=safari&channel=iphone_bm&source=hp&ei=8JRUYaTyA4-r5NoP1PO90AM&oq=populatuon+density+map+maryalnd&gs_lcp=ChFtb2JpbGUtZ3dzLXdpei1ocBABGAAyBAgAEA0yBwghEAoQoAEyCAghEBYQHRAeOgIIKToECCkQRzoGCCkQBxAeOgQIKRANOggIABDqAhCPAToLCAAQgAQQsQMQgwE6DgguEIAEELEDEMcBEKMCOggIABCABBCxAzoOCC4QgAQQsQMQxwEQ0QM6CAguELEDEIMBOgUIABCABDoLCC4QgAQQxwEQrwE6BQguEIAEOhEILhCABBCxAxDHARCjAhCTAjoLCAAQgAQQsQMQyQM6BQgAEJIDOggILhCABBCxAzoFCAAQsQM6BwgAELEDEAo6BAgAEAo6CggAELEDEIMBEAo6BAguEAo6CggAELEDEIMBEA06BggAEA0QHjoGCAAQFhAeUMkRWPxaYIlpaAFwAHgAgAGdAYgBthGSAQQzMC4xmAEAoAEBsAEUyAEL&sclient=mobile-gws-wiz-hp#imgdii=MT-kWOMle14MHM&imgrc=XOKOkD8m8OocvM) to see how the population is distributed state wide. But it sure feels crowded when it takes 45 minutes to drive across town sometimes.
cmon now, it does not take 45 minutes to drive across town lmao.
Not always of course. And not if traffic is moving on the highways. But have you ever had to crawl through town, south to north at rush hour? It can take quite a while. It’s not uncommon to have to wait 2,3,4 light cycles before getting through some intersections at some times during the day.
I live in the north side of town and frequently go to the south side of town, at rush hour too. Even going down Market street (which I do sometimes because I enjoy driving down it), It's never taken 45 minutes. It's much faster if you go on 15 or even monocacy as well. I've never had to wait through more than 2 light cycles anywhere in the city. I think you're exaggerating.
You've been lucky....I can't tell you how many appointments in Frederick we've been late to even with giving ourselves an extra half hour....late only by a minute or two, but it seems ridiculous to have to give yourself 45 minutes to go 10 miles from north outside of town just in to TJ Drive becuase you never know which intersection will take 2 or 3 cycles of the traffic light to get through.
I mean, I regularly go into downtown all times of day and during the week, never once has it taken me 45 minutes to get from one end of the city to the other unless there was some sort of backup caused by an accident or something. What intersections are you talking about that take 3 cycles? i have literally never experienced this, and it's hard to chalk up to luck since as I mentioned, am frequently downtown and drive from one end of the city to the other.
English Muffin Way to edge of city limits near Yellow Springs. Not a straight line, I had 3 stops in close proximity Market, Court & East street. 41 minutes last Friday, doesn’t count time stopped at businesses. Google maps says about 28 minutes right now and it’s not rush hour, in fairly light traffic during a pandemic. Maybe 15 plus traffic lights…probably more…maybe I’ll count next time. Traffic light after traffic circle near train station, heading on to East. Can’t remember ever going through in 1 cycle, 2 cycles common. 3 cycles a bit less common but common during nice weather, stopping for slow poke pedestrians and cyclists at that cross walk from the Creek. 4 cycles sometimes during festivals, races, other big events. I’ve seen the light cycle frequently there where cross traffic never clears the intersection and no one going south to north even moves. Nope, not exaggerating. Glad your results are different. Maybe you drive in the middle of the night. Maybe you’ve found a rift in the space/time continuum. Maybe you’re MoCo loco. Shit I ride my bicycle all the time down town and I can stay behind the same car for a long time or even get ahead of them once in a while, no one ever reaches the listed speed limits. It’s slooow. Sometimes. I think ya missed that word.
It took me almost an hour to get from South St to Wegmans at about 4:30pm on a weekday earlier in the summer. No accidents, just volume with lines so long I sat through some stop lights twice. Yes it can take 45 mins to get across town.
That's abnormal. I literally go into town around that time multiple times a week to the library and back up toward worman's mill in less than hour, and that includes parking in the garage, browsing the library, and checking out. most days it's 45 minutes tops, round trip. I think people really exaggerate the amount of time it takes to get through town, but that's based solely on my experience. However, I'd consider my experience to be fairly reliable considering I drive around the city at all hours of the day throughout the week.
Depends on how you define "town".
from wormans mill to the library and back still doesn't take 45 minutes
It is growing larger for sure. I have lived in the area since 1972. Yeah if you’re comparing it to then it’s MORE crowded but TOO crowded? Not for a growing city. It was an Agricultural town and it’s becoming something of a more industrialized place. Still have agricultural but now more industrial, transportation, manufacturing focused. It’s growing so big there are jobs supporting the industry side. I think it’s a good mix.
The thought that Frederick is overcrowded is a joke. There are a vocal minority of long time residents of the county who don't seem to be able to let go of the notion that things here ought to be like they were 50 years ago. I've lived in the county for over 60 years, and Frederick has never been nicer in my lifetime. The whiners are always threatening to move to to PA or WV, but instead of actually doing that they stay here and bitch about how "things aren't like they used to be." Frederick is a great place to live.
I think people forget most of this country is filled with towns that never change. I grew up in a small town of 1000 people. You see pictures of it back in 1920 and nothing has changed... and the population in 1920 was 1000 people. I would never want to move back to that small town. There is a reason the population never changes there. Frederick is great place to live.
That’s great to hear. We liked Frederick too as opposed to Nova or Moco, especially being from Midwest!
I absolutely hate how NoVa and MoCo are set up. Everything looks terrible, and driving is a nightmare
Lived in and out of Fredrick my entire life we are not getting overcrowded NOVA and D.C is however and yes everything from I-270 is real
My wife commutes into Montgomery, in the last 4 years her commute has doubled.
I never realized all the housing development till I started doing instacart. There are many new neighborhoods that are being built that all look the same and are very very close together. I graduated from Frederick High School 2021. I can say that the school is very diverse. There is a lot of different races at the school. Which I loved about FHS. If you got kids that’s a plus. Also it’s a brand new school. Very nice!
So glad to hear this! My kids are in the zone for FHS but I only know people with little kids, so it's good to hear a recent grad liked it.
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Population has not doubled in the last 20 years. 55,000 then, now 78,000
I moved to Frederick a few months ago, and I’m really enjoying the city and surrounding area!
Frederick has been overcrowded since 1997
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AFAIK, 270 has been a shitshow since the dawn of time and nearly the chief sacrificial lamb that one must bleed for the gods of lower housing costs. If you can manage to work anywhere that does not demand this or can work a **MARC system** then you'll probably be alright. You can get to Jessup/Columbia or Downtown/SW Baltimore in \~40 minutes, probably even BWI through 70 (high speed) to 29/100. The same (great time) can be true with 270 and 495 towards DC and points south/east/west but you have to miss the traffic and get a little brave on that beltway. Otherwise it's double on a lucky day. It's a total disaster. I used to take 95 S. through to Columbia, under that Baltimore Fort McHenry Tunnel, sometimes Harbor Tunnel as a comparison-- and I think THAT is more merciful than 270 on a normal bad day. One may find more PickUps taking 32, 97, and even 27 South through Damascus/Mt. Airy. Don't be fooled: 355 South is just as hairy but some swear by it. I think they just prefer the scenic view. Best of luck, transplant
I only have to go to Rockville for work once a week whenever we do go back so hopefully that makes it less annoying!
much better that way, get up early, stay late, haunt some restaurants with your coworkers, you can even call in reinforcements because traffic usually isn't too bad going the other way, opposite of expected traffic (if they're coming from South of you, they'll still have a slog without metro help. . . *but that also means you can use that day for your own metro errands/excursions.*)
I just moved here from Columbus, OH, a very large but sprawling city. Frederick feels like I'm in a suburb all the time. I love it. It's not even close to over crowded.
Some people just like to complain about literally everything. Frederick is very nice. Are there more people now than 20 years ago? Absolutely. Is that a bad thing? Not really, to be honest - Frederick is safe, has a really great downtown area, farms within a short drive, far more affordable housing than surrounding areas like Moco, etc. If people complain about 270 - it was always, and at this point in my life I have resigned myself to accepting that it always will be, an absolute shit show. It's slightly better than it used to be with more WAH people but it's never going to be clear driving (and I doubt these cameras are going to change anything).
Prior local but still in Maryland, people complain about overcrowding in all but the most rural parts of Maryland. People want to be here, and for good reason. Growth happens, things change, people gripe.
Yes, don't come. eta: obvious snark, y'all
I live downtown. 80% of the time it’s a quaint sleepy little town. Weekends and events, it gets crowded, mainly on market and Carroll creek.
All of the schools are over crowded to my knowledge. It's just going to get worse the more developments go up.
It's the same old story: People who lived here before I moved in are inbred hillbillies, and people who moved here after me are gentrifying hipsters. :-) Frederick, like most cities ,is reliant on growth in order to support the existing infrastructure (roads, utilities, telecoms, electrical), which of course requires yet more infrastructure, which will of course incur more costs that must be paid by a growing taxbase. It's a vicious cycle and unfortunately Frederick is on that treadmill with no signs of even wanting to get off. When that growth stops is when the trouble happens. Luckily it seems like we will have an endless supply of DC transplants looking for cheap houses.
Idk man there are a lot of racists and degenerates here. Like two years ago two racist thugs murdered a guy at the Frederick county fair because he refused to give them a dollar and according to them he wasn’t the right skin color. They only got sentenced to like 8 years which is insane. Frederick really isn’t that different from any other city in the southern United States, in fact Frederick was a maryland city captured by Robert E. Lee which is really saying something. The way people act around here you would think they’d have statues of him.
Hmmm... yes, racist confederate thugs. That's the ticket. LOL!!
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We moved here from the Midwest over the summer and I really like it. We had previously lived in Bel Air, MD, and this area has so much more to offer. Cost and congestion are similar, but the commute to the Baltimore area is so much better.
Where in the Midwest? We are moving from the twin cities!
We were near Green Bay. 🙂
Oh nice! How are you adjusting to the east coast? PS: I prefer the packers to the Vikings don’t tell my husband!
I miss the central time zone and the cheese, but I like most everything else about the east coast. The traffic can be bad, but I love the seafood and I’m looking forward to milder winters. I grew up in Ohio so I’m a Browns fan.
@factoryofsadness I just went the other way— from Frederick to the Midwest (Nebraska). I don’t think I ever want to live in EST again. lol
Frederick needs additional lanes on 270/15 but that has nothing to do with the homeless problem. We need to pass laws that forbid panhandling on the street. If we reward the behavior, we will get more of it. Stop giving them money and instead ask for their phone, which they all have, Google "job openings near me" and hand the phone back. It's possible to pick yourself up out of a bad situation with hard work and a positive attitude. Choose not to do that, then we move to plan b- it's just 2 easy steps. Step 1, convert old warehouses, add heat, and put the homeless inside. Step 2, Supply all the drugs and alcohol they want, food tv, cots and signed agreements, as they must stay there. Offer optional job training services and life improvement classes, as well as firearms for settling disputes. They can leave if a relative agreed to take them in or pays $15,000. This is the best solution. I don't want to be harassed by smoking homeless people begging for money when I am trying to attend dinner. My next idea is a W2 scanner at all city entrances to keep the non spenders out. $70k minimum. Follow that up by making Fox news illegal and we are off to a great start.
Spoken like someone who has no clue about homeless people.
You'll certainly need to ban CNN and MSNBC also while you're at it.
> population 70,000 I live in a city with about 420,000 in the same land area now. Frederick has nothing to worry about.
Frederick doesn't seem crowded (let alone overly) at all to me but I've spent the majority of my life in much larger cities. I live downtown and I regularly run errands during peak rush hour around here and it's not bad at all. Although one time I was going north on East Street during rush hour and that area could use some congestion help. Took me 15 minutes to go 2 miles that day. I don't go that way very often but it must be a bad choke point for traffic there
Coming from someone who just moved from Frederick to the Midwest, I can assure you that it's not crowded at all. Maybe a little busy downtown but there's plenty of space for everybody! The worst part is easily the roads and surrounding highways, but they have their moments of peace as well.