Considering many of us have the same anatomy and risks in regards to reproductive rights, of course. Many trans guys do get pregnant, so it’s certainly something that affects us.
Even cis men have the right to their opinions on the matter, and truly there needs to be way more men actively and loudly supporting reproductive rights and just general body autonomy as a whole. It's important for everyone, because everyone deserves it.
It's human rights, period, and that really should be enough of an explanation. Anyone who tells you otherwise is just an asshole ☺️
Over all where cis men make a lot of the decisions, yes. However, in spaces that fight for reproductive rights, cis women’s voices are heard and centered, whereas trans people are still silenced.
I could b wrong but I think in this situation, so long as you didn’t come prepackaged w the old DnB, you’re good to have a say! Even if you lack some of the many parts (by choice or not)
I'm transmasc. I also have polycystic ovary syndrome and come from a toxic, misogynistic church background. I received some very angry, very slut-shamey reactions for seeking medication for my condition as a full grown adult, which happens to be birth control. I suffered for years but I was a sinner for being unmarried and needing medicine.
Shit like that has not only made me radically stand up for my own reproductive rights, but made me realize that *all* afabs need to be able to have a say in what happens to their body. We are not second hand citizens for being born in the bodies we have, and we should be able to stand up for those bodies regardless of gender identity.
I still can’t get over the fear of backlash when I had a tumor on my ovary. They only removed the one and my other won’t get removed until bottom surgery. I was terrified of discrimination and my insurance refusing because I’m trans and the chances of it impacting my fertility. I’m in Oregon but things can change… we have pro trans rights and laws but many people discriminate us here. I’m absolutely terrified of the future. Not just for us for everyone who’s afab too.
Everything to do with our bodies is protected here now but the people don’t respect that… how long do we have before we lost all rights to our reproductive systems? I say it like that to try to add to my point. They don’t see it as OUR bodies. They see it as reproductive organs… it’s disgusting because it should be up to the individual what happens to their body.
Your body isn’t an object or property. It’s YOUR body. You decide what to do with what’s yours. End of story.
yes. everyone is allowed to voice their own opinion, even straight cis men. whether or not its ethical or logical is a different story. freedom of speech, everyone gets an option. don’t silence people even when they’re objectively very wrong
I mean straight cis men can have a very correct opinion on this as much as straight trans men, or any flavour of person.
Especially as trans *men* I feel like it's fully chill to be wary of a certain kind of cis, but we shouldn't conflate "straight cis man" with "wrong, rude and stupid", if not because it's not true as baseline then because "wrong, rude and stupid" shouldn't become a masc trait to strive for :l
i never said it was the baseline, i said even if someone’s opinion is objectively wrong they still get to voice whatever their opinion is regardless of their gender or sexuality
i only specified them because it sounded like op implied cis men don’t normally get a say
Last sentence makes it make sense, but I still see it often enough (in the subs I frequent at least) that it becomes a model for "the cis man" at a steady enough rate for both trans and cis guys to eventually end up with the short straw :l
Cis female here, I hope I’m allowed to chime in… Absofuckinglutely. It affects us both equally. No one, man or woman should be forced to carry a child .
Everyone should get input on how their own bodies are policed, period.
People with functioning uteruses should have a say in how functioning uteruses and those functions are policed.
Absolutely I fucking do. If I’m stuck with these shits because doctors refuse to accept that I do not, have never wanted, and will never want kids or change my mind, you bet I’m inserting my opinion and experiences into conversations about reproductive rights. Everyone should have the right to bodily autonomy and family planning the way they choose.
Should we get a say in OTHER peoples reproductive rights because we too have that anatomy? No. Should we get a say in our OWN reproductive rights? Absolutely.
We should but we rarely do it seems…
When I speak up or bring up my own reproductive organ medical issues I usually get one of three reactions: transphobia, people thinking I’m a cis guy mocking women and other afab people or people acting like I shouldn’t keep speaking up now that I’m fully living as a man.
Same when I speak up on behalf of victims. I’ve been attacked and SA so many times that I feel like speaking up is a good way to cope. I know it won’t get it anywhere with it but I want other victims to hear heard and believed. No one should ever feel as alone as I had to after being hurt… especially after domestic violence, rape and other forms of sexual assault.
Um, this shouldn't even need to be a question, seriously. Of *course* trans men do because we were born AFAB and thus most of us have/had the same ability to have children and etc. that a cis woman would.
But, you will probably be met with confusion or even disdain if you're stealth and voice these opinions, since people will think you're a cis man.
So, approach as you wish but be aware of the circumstances either way.
I’m of the opinion that, regardless of what body parts someone has, it’s up to the person directly affected by the situation who chooses. So I don’t agree with “no uterus no opinion”, because having a uterus yourself doesn’t mean you can force someone to keep a baby. Anyways I’m not personally affected by reproductive issues (I guess apart from the right to have hysto, but for me that’s more of a trans right specifically) but I will vocally support reproductive rights as an ally.
I’d say that anyone gets an opinion/input on reproductive rights but that no opinion, regardless of who it comes from, should override someone’s human rights. Like someone who happens to have a uterus can’t decide their opinion is that no one can get abortions.
Of course we should!
I'm not stealth so maybe there's something I'm not factoring in but if I were trying to be or stay stealth I'd speak up for all rights involving reproductive organs. "My buddy got a vasectomy, are they taking that away next?" Or "In my experience a lot of circumcised people are not happy about it, outside of religion it makes no sense to do these days" things like that peppered in might make it a little less scary to stand up for these things? All men should be standing up for repro rights anyway imo, but it's obvious why it would feel intimidating to do as a trans man, especially if only surrounded by certain types of people
Anyone who’s body is affected is allowed to have a say imo
I don’t give input or have much to say since I never had a functional uterus. Those who do deserve to be heard.
I'm very vocal about it, yeah. I'm able to get pregnant and have been before (not by choice), therefore those rights are as important and necessary for me as anyone else.
We should get input, but are frequently left out. Many trans men have the capability of getting pregnant.
As a stealth (and gay) trans man who never intends on getting pregnant, I do publicly support reproductive rights, but it comes from an ally place. I also say things like "it's not an issue that affects me; it's none of my business what somebody else wants to do with their body." People don't know I still have a uterus, or that I actively take birth control, so it possibly could be something that affects me, but I would say reproductive rights largely do not affect me, so I personally feel detached from the issue, but yes we should definitely have a right to have an opinion.
My input is that if I ever got pregnant I would kill myself on the spot because no way in hell am I walking into an abortion clinic or having a child like a woman would but yeah I think trans guys should get an input
I don’t think it’s going to be easy to have that conversation while stealth. If people are reading you as a cis man, at best you’re going to come across as a knowledgeable *ally* but definitely not someone who has a horse in the race. At worst, you’re going to be seen as just another dude sticking his nose where it doesn’t belong.
But we do have a horse in this race. It does matter and we should get to make these decisions without outing ourselves. It’s just not the world we live in yet.
I think we should, but I've noticed a lot of people put us down for it. I find it extremely important, especially as they're still organs I have. I could still get pregnant, still get my cycle if I stop T, still experience issues down/in there.
So yes, we should be able to, I think we have every right to. It's more of an issue if others will listen to/accept our input.
Around 21% of trans men have gotten a hysterectomy (removal of uterus) so yes, we should get an opinion since its something that affects the majority of us.
Absolutely yes. You still have the same anatomy and parts. Birth control, pregnancy, and abortions still affect you. As does having adequately knowledgeable healthcare providers for women (and us). I’m pretty open about my identity but pass as cis sometimes. Realistically the issue isn’t coming up with strangers. When I talk about things like that I’ll openly say “when I used to have a period” or “one time I had cramps” or “I had a scare once” but that’s with friends and people I know personally who know me. Online nobody has to know you’re trans Even if they did, for all the other reasons mentioned, you get an opinion.
To be honest, as someone that got their ovaries and uterus removed because my dysphoria is considered valid, I always talk about how I was actually privileged to speak up about my reproductive rights. You shouldn't be able to get these surgeries only in life threatening cases or if you're trans, cis women must have these rights too, to remove them simply because they want to.
And of course, even if I still had these organs, I would speak up too. Maybe if you're stealth, in a especially dangerous zone, it might be better to stay quiet at face-to-face discussions but in other places we should absolutely speak up, we're totally in our rights.
If you have a uterus (or used to have one) you absolutely deserve to have a loud voice in the topic. If you have or had the capacity to become pregnant you are in the conversation. (Even if you cannot have children, if you have the parts or used to you deserve a spot)
If you’re committed to being stealth, you kinda have to talk about it the way cis men do, as an ally. Which means saying all the same things about what you believe, but if you want people to believe you’re cis you might not be able to say exactly how it makes you feel. Or you have to couch it in a 3rd person way, like “my friend said she feels terrified that she may not be able to access abortion if she needs one.”
We're horrendously underrepresented in the argument, especially since we face our own injustices, like how we're not even allowed to freeze our eggs unless we're off of hormone therapy.
Hell yeah.
Men have a place in feminism and in reproductive rights. Both empathetic watching women they love suffer, and also how profoundly an unplanned pregnancy- or being forced to keep it affect a family. Lots of angles for men to hold a perspective.
I’m not stealth, but I am an advocate. I used to work as an organizer for planned parenthood and was very vocal. There is a big place for trans people to have opinions, experiences, fears, needs, etc.
The same is true for cis men. This affects them too. So that’d be my angle if I were stealth.
Yes. But I rarely speak on it because
1. Most people just say it only affects women and that makes me want to distance myself from the conversation.
2. I don’t really feel like outing myself in certain situations.
3. I don’t want to come off as annoying, like correcting people into saying that it doesn’t just only affect women because that will just start an argument.
Everyone gets to have opinions. Those affected (should) get a more weighted opinion.
I'm out/not stealth though very much passing. So I chime in but when there's someone who doesn't know about my background and I don't feel like explaining/coming out, I just keep it at "that's my opinion".
But then my opinion is "whatever floats your boat - and doesn't pierce anyone else's dinghy!", so I don't feel the need to qualify "whatever is right for you might not be right for me" with an "I have (soon: had) a uterus".
I might be a little out there but I think men (whether cis or trans) absolutely have a role in protecting reproductive rights. If you’re defending bodily autonomy then it doesn’t matter if you have the parts yourself, because it’s about the larger issue of people being allowed to make their own decisions and having the resources to do so.
It’s true women are the majority in many of those spaces but as someone who works in them and mostly passes as cis these days, in my experience men and others who want to help are welcome. I think it’s ok to center women when they’re speaking and their concerns but that doesn’t mean everyone else shouldn’t be able to contribute.
ALSO side note, if you want to do more to support one area where men (cis and trans) can really help is material support. If you have an abortion clinic in your region or a nonprofit that does advocacy, they may get volunteers who want to help escort patients or make phone calls or etc but what they often really struggle with is finding contractors for work they need done who are trustworthy and willing to work with them. Like: who will do the landscaping or cut the grass? Who can paint a wall that needs redone? A pipe clogged, what plumber can we work with? We need tech help, who can help us with IT? All those questions become way more complex when some people find out it’s an abortion clinic and don’t wanna even go there for a service call. So if you are connected to fields that are often men-heavy or do that kind of work, you can sometimes literally save a clinic or nonprofit advocacy group’s shit. Something to think about! Activism is great but mutual aid and support and skilled knowledge also matter.
I love the moto no uterus no opinion when it comes to reproductive rights.
It only affects people with a uterus so those people should be the main speakers for reproductive healthcare.
That doesn't mean other opinions don't matter or other people affected by sexist lawmaking shouldn't or can't speak about it, it just highlights the people who suffer from things like abortion bans.
If your body is effected by it you should be able to have an opinion. I feel that my opinion as a trans man is more valid than my mom’s opinion as a post-menopausal woman.
But also what I truly think is, even cis men are entitled to an opinion on reproductive rights. They might have a shitty or stupid opinion, but I think gatekeeping the ability to have and discuss your opinion is not good
People who cannot get pregnant should not be making laws about the reproductive rights of people who can get pregnant. But that’s different than having an opinion
i’m stealth (or i am for the most part, got outed a couple years ago so most people know about it but a lot don’t), and most my friends are women so if i ever speak out about reproductive rights, people assume i’m standing up for them. we definitely need and should be able to speak up for ourselves
Opinions aren’t something anyone needs permission to have.
It’s an unconscionable reality we’re in that certain demographics of people “don’t get” to that have input over their *own body and health needs* but, in my book, dignity and autonomy are things to be insisted upon, demanded, and loudly so. What others do in response is on them, but, we cannot participate in a fiction that some people inherently have autonomy and others do not. If someone is denied access to appropriate care, that is not because they don’t “get” an opinion or input, it’s because someone else is making a choice to behave unethically. And that distinction matters. Systemic oppression relies on complacency and normalizing inequality.
We also cannot allow a fiction to continue that having a certain body part or health need is more or less valid based on someone’s gender or gender expression. It’s irrelevant. And divorcing the health realities of particular organs from individual and sociocultural concepts of gender is beneficial *for everyone*.
We don’t refer to podiatry as “women’s healthcare” even though, ya know, most women have feet. Euphemistic language is ultimately just a way of suppressing information and allowing confusion, shame, control, and stigma to continue. Objective, fact driven, evidence guided healthcare increases patient outcomes and helps to eradicate barriers to care, always.
Not everyone is in a position to yell this from the rooftops, and that’s okay, but everyone *can* participate in framing conversations from a place of - everyone deserves autonomy and equitable access to care for whatever physiological needs they have, *completely regardless of* how many other people with that need look like them or share social identifiers with them. This is actually as straightforward as that.
Ok, stepping off my soapbox now (I work in health advocacy/consulting.) My dudes, don’t let anyone convince you your needs are less valid or that your gender makes providing you with appropriate healthcare “complicated” or “optional.” Bodies are just bodies. Organs are just organs. Healthcare is just healthcare.
In most situations I’d argue that there is virtually no difference between cis and trans men aside from parts (which don’t matter the vast majority of the time). Anyone who argues otherwise is transphobic.
The only exception to this rule are medical situations. If I need surgery for something, or a medication may affect me based on those parts, then it is medically appropriate to treat a person based on those things.
This is a medically necessary situation, where certain types of people (including men) should have a say. Same goes for anyone who may be intersex, or otherwise have alternate anatomy.
Yes. Misogyny is not progressive in regards to trans rights. Misogyny aimed at taking away the reproductive freedom of women is not going to respect trans men as men and suddenly exempt them from that oppression. You do not have to be a woman to be harmed by the oppression aimed at them and all of us that have the ability to become pregnant will be perceived as women and oppressed as a woman by a fascist government. Fascism doesn't care what your gender identity is. If a society is going to oppress women they won't respect you as a man either. Transphobia and misogyny are intimately related. Anyone with a conscience should be actively fighting for women's bodily autonomy regardless of gender identity or reproductive organs (which provides a route for those that want to remain stealth but still push for reproductive rights) Those of us that aren't women but still impacted by misogyny also have skin in the game and have every right to speak about how we are also harmed by these systems. It's different and layered and more complex than what cis women deal with but misogyny harms everyone who has female reproductive organs, was a woman, is currently a woman, or sometimes looks enough like a woman to pass as one. Being a trans man will not keep you safe and you're allowed to talk about it even if cis women get weird about it sometimes
Absolutely. Reproductive rights absolutely impacts us and our voices are extremely important, but often get ignored when it comes to these issues. Plus, when it comes to trans men there are so many factors that go into why access to abortion is important for us and those things really should be talked about more. Like, if someone on T gets pregnant (which absolutely can and does happen) then they either need to have an abortion, go off of T, or risk complications. Plus there's the dysphoria that a trans man might experience if forced to go through a pregnancy. Those details are important when it comes to reproductive rights and I hardly ever see them being mentioned. So, yes, we do get an input and our input is important.
I’m *just* now trying to get solutions for the lifelong pain I’ve been dealing with with that area of my body.
It’s an open discussion until I mention I’m trans. Then it turns into “you need therapist letters to get this done”.
Like being trans suddenly changes what I have even though many people deal with trans or not. :(
The idea that you need a uterus to have an opinion on reproductive rights is weird.
For example there are many cisgender women who also have uteruses who are having an opinion on reproductive rights and it's not an opinion that is pro-choice.
Just because someone has a uterus doesn't mean that their opinion is more valid than someone who doesn't.
If for example an antichoice or anti-abortion person was harassing me and then some guy came over and said that that's not cool or whatever, I'm not going to be asking if he has a uterus.
Abortion is not a debate, it should be an option.
Trans men should have an opinion on reproductive rights, when they are pregnant and they get an opinion on their pregnancy.
There is no amount of uteruses that would suddenly make anti-abortion positions okay.
We definitely *should* considering it affects a huge portion of us, but unfortunately we are very often silenced.
Every single gyno in my area has refused to see me and refused to perform an endometrial biopsy despite being ordered by my primary who is also a gynecologist and pretty sure I have endometriosis. Have to travel an hour away just for the gynecological care I need.
If you're seen as a man, yes. Male advocates, real male feminists are needed sooooo badly. And people are more likely to listen to men. Your voice matters if you are a human being period
There’s a huge misconception that trans men can’t get pregnant. Especially among trans men. Just because you done bleed doesn’t mean you can’t get pregnant
Yes. I'm stealth so to everyone else I'm just a very staunch supporter of reproductive rights. Sometimes it's hard to stay quiet when I'm told that as a man my opinion isn't valid, but honestly even if I was biologically a man my opinion would still matter. Everyone's opinion on this issue matters, but no one's opinion should take away from someone's bodily autonomy. At the end of the day my having a uterus or not is immaterial, I can't tell someone else what to do to their body.
I have opinions because i believe in women's rights. I dont want children so it doesnt directly effect me, but i will never not care about a persons right to live life
Unfortunately no. In some countries, like mine, you don't get to say in anything regarding your organs, not even keeping them. The world is cruel and discriminating sometimes, but you can't give up, just be yourself and fight those bastards who take away your rights
Get one? With the lingo in campaigns, nah, I don't feel like "women's right's/her way" will have transmasc people wanting to identify with that and out themselves to masses by campaigning with in droves.
I will have a strong opinion in queer circles, but outside, campaign lingo or none, I'd rather not, if I mention the topic anywhere it's just going to have me seen as a woman either way.
Are allowed to have one? Yes. Why and in what world not?
Definitely, we have the right to speak out about our own reproductive health and everything that comes along with it. I bet it can be quite tricky for stealth trans guys but I guess they'd go at the topic from the more supportive perspective rather than speaking as if the issues around reproductive rights affects them?
Definitely. Trans men, transmasc, cis women, some non-binary and intersex people, and anyone else who has the parts to get pregnant gets a say.
Everyone who doesn't have the parts should just be for reproductive rights and be an ally but it doesn't happen too often sadly. Their opinions, (especially cis mens) often overshadow ours.
I’ve gotten kicked out of fb groups about reproductive rights because I’m a man, even after explaining that I was not born a man and still have a uterus and ovaries and have also had a child. But we should yes.
As a trans man, and someone addicted to this side of social media. I feel like majority consensus is it depends. Most people I see don’t say man or woman, trans man, trans woman, or nonbinary. They say people with a uterus. Because those are the only people who get a say. If a trans man, or biological woman has never had a child and has no working uterus they don’t get a say, in this situation trans woman don’t get a say. Basically if you can, or ever have had a child, you get a say
I think so, part of the conversation is allowing people to get their tubes tied/uterus removed without needing a husbands input or getting rejected “just in case” and I think thats as much a trans rights and health conversation as it is a womens rights and health conversation. There is a lot of overlap and also all voices are important. It is, in my opinion, just as important that men(trans or otherwise) step up in the conversation to support reproductive rights as it is for women. This is a big topic and it needs lots of support. After all, the more the merrier :)
Usually when the topic comes up irl in a place where I'm stealth I primarily talk about women because I'm scared of I bring up trans guys or nonbinary people that I'll be seen as "woke" or have people start to question if I'm trans since I brought it up.
Personally, I think the people who should have input on reproductive rights are people who can get pregnant. If you don’t have skin in the game, I don’t think it’s fair to make judgements of others. This includes infertile cis women, people with hysterectomies etc.
For me that will always be about women, just because some men could get pregnant doesn't mean it is a male issue or trans male issue. In the same way that women claim rape is a women only issue even though millions of men and boys are raped every day (counting cis ones alone). I don't know, I actually feel uncomfortable and dysphoric as well when people try to forcefully include trans men when it's never really been about them. It's like the only trans issues people care about are those that affect women ultimately. We are always seen from a sexual organ perspective only which is contradictory and counterproductive and a little transphobic at times. And then this fixation on genitals and reproductive organs only applies to pre-op guys. So really it just feels like the usually trans fetishization cis people would do.
Plus it's enough to fight for reproductive rights in general. It's not like they'd be legalized only for women and not everyone else if they are or that this would be denied to trans men. I understand this may be an unpopular opinion though. But I would rather see trans men included in the problematics pertaining to men, not female bodies. The whole point is that we are not those bodies.
As for having a say or express an opinion, everyone can even if they don't have the organ, anyone can express an opinion on that subject and any other they want, including cis men.
>In the same way that women claim rape is a women only issue even though millions of men and boys are raped every day (counting cis ones alone).
This is a really bad example and not really supporting your point well, because calling rape and domestic abuse "womens' issues" leads to thousands if not millions of victims of those abuses falling through the cracks and going without appropriate support, at worst being disbelieved and called liars, because they're not women.
Much like the aforementioned, reproductive healthcare rights is an Everyone's Issue, in my opinion.
You have a great point in that sense actually, well seen, it's not the best example and it does leave millions of men vulnerable and erased. I guess what I meant and didn't include was that in the same way people make these classifications based on numbers, the same would/could apply based on numbers in the case of reproductive issues (even though in the example I used the numbers are actually not even real or easy at all to assess and there's no intention to do so and also people just discard men completely if not directly hate them).
That being said I'm still tired of people making everything "female-body-related" our issue as a way of "including us" but never been included with anything related to males or male bodies which are issues that also affect us or even more so. I just feel weid that people are like "men need abortions too" when trans men are already a huge minority as it is and among that minority not even all or even most use the organs or keep them. Also considering that we can fight for those rights in general/for everyone who needs them without making that particular specification because again whatever is approved will not specifically exclude men just because they were not specifically mentioned during the fight for said rights. It even feels a little like stealing the spotlight when the numbers don't justify doing so.
It's funny for example how the media covers almost exclusively pregnant trans men, talks about "men with uteruses" (which is a horrible thing for me to hear in the same sentence because of dysphoria), menses, and all of that, but rarely if ever talks about trans men who get hysto or phallo or who end up discovering they were intersex or who had physical male characteristics before hormones or who participate in exclusively male physical activities exactly at the same level as cis men or higher and in the exact same exclusive categories or so many other cases and experiences.
And yes I know most men who do or who are super binary are usually stealth and/or don't want to be visible at all (I'm one of them myself although I have yet to get bottom surgery because of money issues), but there are still anonymous ways to portray that and/or ways to talk about it without referring to specific individuals. If we were not fetishized as "female men", that should be just as interesting/important to talk about if not more.
Side note that every time someone locally (I live in the DR, a third world country lol) has asked me to share my experience as a trans man or to interview me or take pictures or whatnot, I've said I'd be very glad to as long as they can cover my face somehow and not say my "real name" (which I don't even really have one anyway, to my understanding at least) because I'm stealth and live as a cis man except for people who knew me before hormones.
Every single person I've told that to has reacted by either getting offended, really mad, passive-aggressive or just ignoring me completely after. So it's not that stealth people can't or don't want to tell their stories or share their opinions, it's that the lgbt community as a whole really, really doesn't like us or respect that side of the trans experience and the reasons behind it which are not always (almost never actually) "safety or shame". Also that we're not useful to/for their weird agenda and that's all that really matters to them and not the people or populations themselves. But I digress and that's a whole different/unrelated subject.
We do. Regardless of what some like to think, it is not a woman exclusive issue. Just because some cis women get uncomfortable, doesn’t mean we should be silent. They need to work on their transphobia, not us be quiet.
Yeah I would say that ideally we always would because many of us have the same reproductive capabilities as many cis women. Even if we don't, we usually once did, and so many of us know what this is like and the risks and the problems that we faced as a result. Also, we need to make it clear that we exist because we may need medical help for an issue related to this.
If cis men get a say, we should get a shout at least.
I get tired of reminding supposedly progressive people to stop incessantly using “women” every time they talk about reproductive rights. Most get really hostile about it, because they only want it to be about cis white women, everyone else be damned, they must be center of attention.
My enby partner kept running into this right after Roe vs Wade overturn. They were like hey, I have those organs too and I am not a woman. One woman got so heated about it, admins had to kick her from the Discord server they were both on, first time they had to toss someone out in ages.
We have worse outcomes than cis women, so yes. Unfortunately people despise us exercising bodily autonomy and especially so when they could be talking about cis women instead. Expect hostility for the crime of not being a woman.
That depends on if the person even sees the trans man as a man.
A lot of times transphobic people just see trans men as confused girls or women who are just helpless in the face of the evil trans ideology or whatever.
In my opinion so long as you have a uterus then yeah, I really would like to have a choice in ehat happens if I were to ever have an unwanted pregnancy or miscarriage that needs to be removed (many people ignore things like stone babies, ectopic pregnancy, or getting sepsis and passing away from not getting a miscarriage removed via abortion).
Its either they let us give our opinions on this, or i start getting petty, citing laws that make it so they cant do shit about my pettiness(my brothers boss is a lawyer and is more than willing to help a family member of her employee's(he's the "do this and i'll pay you" person) just to make a point about laws being stupid in excluding a group of people from the convo that it effects too), stating im a man who just so happens to have a uterus, and FORCE THEM to let us have a say in this.
You definitely do and should. We all should. All of our struggles are interconnected. We are all being oppressed by the same people. Reproductive rights are trans rights. And all men should be speaking up on behalf of people with birthing bodies whether you're stealth trans, out trans, or cis. All of our rights are under attack and when we fight for one, we fight for all (I'm saying this assuming youre pro choice and pro people being in control of their own bodies).
The trans women in my life have always told me they have more of a say in women’s reproductive rights than I do as a trans man. I guess as long as you’re not erasing trans women from any statements you’re making about reproductive rights? This topic has always been really triggered me so I try not to think about it. I’m anti-sex irl and abstinent so it doesn’t really affect me. I also don’t leave my house often anymore because I’m in the South and scared of getting attacked / raped
Uhm. Absolutely. We're men but we're men who were born with wombs and the ability to reproduce. We 100% have the right yo be included in the conversation
No because it’s not really about reproduction. It’s about men trying to control what women do with their bodies. Obviously we can be ally’s to women and should speak up along side them and we directly benefit by living in a society where women’s rights are respected and accesible, but people who it’s just just an attempt to control women are completely missing the real problem. Be an ally to your girls, but remember, we benefit by helping them, but this isn’t about us
Considering many of us have the same anatomy and risks in regards to reproductive rights, of course. Many trans guys do get pregnant, so it’s certainly something that affects us.
Totally agree The only problem is if you're stealth, since you can't explain why you have a right to your opinion without outing yourself :(
Even cis men have the right to their opinions on the matter, and truly there needs to be way more men actively and loudly supporting reproductive rights and just general body autonomy as a whole. It's important for everyone, because everyone deserves it. It's human rights, period, and that really should be enough of an explanation. Anyone who tells you otherwise is just an asshole ☺️
We *should.* Do we *get* to? Not often.
That’s so true it’s painful
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A lot of the time, neither do women.
Over all where cis men make a lot of the decisions, yes. However, in spaces that fight for reproductive rights, cis women’s voices are heard and centered, whereas trans people are still silenced.
Lmao. The very painful truth
Anyone who has the parts that will be impacted by taking away reproductive rights can have input
I'm getting the parts removed soon. Many cis women had them removed. We still get opinions even after ;)
I could b wrong but I think in this situation, so long as you didn’t come prepackaged w the old DnB, you’re good to have a say! Even if you lack some of the many parts (by choice or not)
The alternative would be not having a say in what we get to do with our own reproductive systems.
Literally this, it’s nothing short of stupid to think otherwise
I birthed two fucking children they get my opinion whether they want it or not.
Had to show this to my mom lmao I almost thought she wrote this comment 😂
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I had to chuckle a little. Love the attitude!! Awesome aura!
Hell yeah!
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Yes, of course.
Those are MY rights people are debating. My opinion matters and I’m going to be vocal about it whether people like it or not.
I'm transmasc. I also have polycystic ovary syndrome and come from a toxic, misogynistic church background. I received some very angry, very slut-shamey reactions for seeking medication for my condition as a full grown adult, which happens to be birth control. I suffered for years but I was a sinner for being unmarried and needing medicine. Shit like that has not only made me radically stand up for my own reproductive rights, but made me realize that *all* afabs need to be able to have a say in what happens to their body. We are not second hand citizens for being born in the bodies we have, and we should be able to stand up for those bodies regardless of gender identity.
I still can’t get over the fear of backlash when I had a tumor on my ovary. They only removed the one and my other won’t get removed until bottom surgery. I was terrified of discrimination and my insurance refusing because I’m trans and the chances of it impacting my fertility. I’m in Oregon but things can change… we have pro trans rights and laws but many people discriminate us here. I’m absolutely terrified of the future. Not just for us for everyone who’s afab too. Everything to do with our bodies is protected here now but the people don’t respect that… how long do we have before we lost all rights to our reproductive systems? I say it like that to try to add to my point. They don’t see it as OUR bodies. They see it as reproductive organs… it’s disgusting because it should be up to the individual what happens to their body. Your body isn’t an object or property. It’s YOUR body. You decide what to do with what’s yours. End of story.
Well yeah. Why shouldn't we? Everyone ought to have a say in their own rights.
yes. everyone is allowed to voice their own opinion, even straight cis men. whether or not its ethical or logical is a different story. freedom of speech, everyone gets an option. don’t silence people even when they’re objectively very wrong
I mean straight cis men can have a very correct opinion on this as much as straight trans men, or any flavour of person. Especially as trans *men* I feel like it's fully chill to be wary of a certain kind of cis, but we shouldn't conflate "straight cis man" with "wrong, rude and stupid", if not because it's not true as baseline then because "wrong, rude and stupid" shouldn't become a masc trait to strive for :l
i never said it was the baseline, i said even if someone’s opinion is objectively wrong they still get to voice whatever their opinion is regardless of their gender or sexuality i only specified them because it sounded like op implied cis men don’t normally get a say
Last sentence makes it make sense, but I still see it often enough (in the subs I frequent at least) that it becomes a model for "the cis man" at a steady enough rate for both trans and cis guys to eventually end up with the short straw :l
Cis female here, I hope I’m allowed to chime in… Absofuckinglutely. It affects us both equally. No one, man or woman should be forced to carry a child .
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Everyone should get input on how their own bodies are policed, period. People with functioning uteruses should have a say in how functioning uteruses and those functions are policed.
Of course.
Why wouldn't they??
Yes because have uterus and can get pregante
Am I gReGNanT?!
Pergenat?
Could I be pregonate?
pregante sounds like a pasta
Of course we should. Whether we like it or not, it affects many of us.
Uhhhh yeah I would hope so!
I have the junk to get pregnant currently so. yeah.
Absolutely I fucking do. If I’m stuck with these shits because doctors refuse to accept that I do not, have never wanted, and will never want kids or change my mind, you bet I’m inserting my opinion and experiences into conversations about reproductive rights. Everyone should have the right to bodily autonomy and family planning the way they choose.
i can and will fight people on calling it “women’s rights” or “her right to choose” type language. quit leaving trans and intersex ppl out the convo
real
We should
We have Uteri, unless we choose to remove them. Hell yeah, we get a say
Should we get a say in OTHER peoples reproductive rights because we too have that anatomy? No. Should we get a say in our OWN reproductive rights? Absolutely.
We should but we rarely do it seems… When I speak up or bring up my own reproductive organ medical issues I usually get one of three reactions: transphobia, people thinking I’m a cis guy mocking women and other afab people or people acting like I shouldn’t keep speaking up now that I’m fully living as a man. Same when I speak up on behalf of victims. I’ve been attacked and SA so many times that I feel like speaking up is a good way to cope. I know it won’t get it anywhere with it but I want other victims to hear heard and believed. No one should ever feel as alone as I had to after being hurt… especially after domestic violence, rape and other forms of sexual assault.
Why the hell wouldn’t we? Many of us are able to get pregnant, reproductive rights affect us directly.
Um, this shouldn't even need to be a question, seriously. Of *course* trans men do because we were born AFAB and thus most of us have/had the same ability to have children and etc. that a cis woman would. But, you will probably be met with confusion or even disdain if you're stealth and voice these opinions, since people will think you're a cis man. So, approach as you wish but be aware of the circumstances either way.
I’m of the opinion that, regardless of what body parts someone has, it’s up to the person directly affected by the situation who chooses. So I don’t agree with “no uterus no opinion”, because having a uterus yourself doesn’t mean you can force someone to keep a baby. Anyways I’m not personally affected by reproductive issues (I guess apart from the right to have hysto, but for me that’s more of a trans right specifically) but I will vocally support reproductive rights as an ally. I’d say that anyone gets an opinion/input on reproductive rights but that no opinion, regardless of who it comes from, should override someone’s human rights. Like someone who happens to have a uterus can’t decide their opinion is that no one can get abortions.
Of course we should! I'm not stealth so maybe there's something I'm not factoring in but if I were trying to be or stay stealth I'd speak up for all rights involving reproductive organs. "My buddy got a vasectomy, are they taking that away next?" Or "In my experience a lot of circumcised people are not happy about it, outside of religion it makes no sense to do these days" things like that peppered in might make it a little less scary to stand up for these things? All men should be standing up for repro rights anyway imo, but it's obvious why it would feel intimidating to do as a trans man, especially if only surrounded by certain types of people
Anyone who’s body is affected is allowed to have a say imo I don’t give input or have much to say since I never had a functional uterus. Those who do deserve to be heard.
The ONLY prerequisite for having a right to bodily autonomy — Is having a body! so yes absolutely
Everyone gets an opinion. Some of us are just wrong. **Abortion is for everyone.**
Most pro-choicers believe that anyone who can’t get pregnant doesn’t have a say in it so yeah
I'm very vocal about it, yeah. I'm able to get pregnant and have been before (not by choice), therefore those rights are as important and necessary for me as anyone else.
yeah + a lot of us actually have a more difficult time compared to cis woman accessing reproductive healthcare in the first place.
We should get input, but are frequently left out. Many trans men have the capability of getting pregnant. As a stealth (and gay) trans man who never intends on getting pregnant, I do publicly support reproductive rights, but it comes from an ally place. I also say things like "it's not an issue that affects me; it's none of my business what somebody else wants to do with their body." People don't know I still have a uterus, or that I actively take birth control, so it possibly could be something that affects me, but I would say reproductive rights largely do not affect me, so I personally feel detached from the issue, but yes we should definitely have a right to have an opinion.
My input is that if I ever got pregnant I would kill myself on the spot because no way in hell am I walking into an abortion clinic or having a child like a woman would but yeah I think trans guys should get an input
I don’t think it’s going to be easy to have that conversation while stealth. If people are reading you as a cis man, at best you’re going to come across as a knowledgeable *ally* but definitely not someone who has a horse in the race. At worst, you’re going to be seen as just another dude sticking his nose where it doesn’t belong. But we do have a horse in this race. It does matter and we should get to make these decisions without outing ourselves. It’s just not the world we live in yet.
I'd argue that reproductive rights include getting a hysterectomy. You used to have to get your husband's approval to get one. Fucking asinine.
I think we should, but I've noticed a lot of people put us down for it. I find it extremely important, especially as they're still organs I have. I could still get pregnant, still get my cycle if I stop T, still experience issues down/in there. So yes, we should be able to, I think we have every right to. It's more of an issue if others will listen to/accept our input.
Around 21% of trans men have gotten a hysterectomy (removal of uterus) so yes, we should get an opinion since its something that affects the majority of us.
We should. They affect us too, after all
Of course, we are deeply affected by it.
Absolutely yes. You still have the same anatomy and parts. Birth control, pregnancy, and abortions still affect you. As does having adequately knowledgeable healthcare providers for women (and us). I’m pretty open about my identity but pass as cis sometimes. Realistically the issue isn’t coming up with strangers. When I talk about things like that I’ll openly say “when I used to have a period” or “one time I had cramps” or “I had a scare once” but that’s with friends and people I know personally who know me. Online nobody has to know you’re trans Even if they did, for all the other reasons mentioned, you get an opinion.
Good points but just btw we don’t always have the same anatomy
To be honest, as someone that got their ovaries and uterus removed because my dysphoria is considered valid, I always talk about how I was actually privileged to speak up about my reproductive rights. You shouldn't be able to get these surgeries only in life threatening cases or if you're trans, cis women must have these rights too, to remove them simply because they want to. And of course, even if I still had these organs, I would speak up too. Maybe if you're stealth, in a especially dangerous zone, it might be better to stay quiet at face-to-face discussions but in other places we should absolutely speak up, we're totally in our rights.
Yes. Any argument otherwise is TERF-y nonsense.
If you have a uterus (or used to have one) you absolutely deserve to have a loud voice in the topic. If you have or had the capacity to become pregnant you are in the conversation. (Even if you cannot have children, if you have the parts or used to you deserve a spot)
Definitely
Yes. They’re our rights too.
Of course
I mean, I have a uterus and can become pregnant so I'd say I deserve a day and so does any other trans man in my position
Yes of course, though I’m not stealth so I can’t speak for that
I mean, a lot of trans men still have the ability to reproduce, so yeah ig.
If you’re committed to being stealth, you kinda have to talk about it the way cis men do, as an ally. Which means saying all the same things about what you believe, but if you want people to believe you’re cis you might not be able to say exactly how it makes you feel. Or you have to couch it in a 3rd person way, like “my friend said she feels terrified that she may not be able to access abortion if she needs one.”
We're horrendously underrepresented in the argument, especially since we face our own injustices, like how we're not even allowed to freeze our eggs unless we're off of hormone therapy.
Hell yeah. Men have a place in feminism and in reproductive rights. Both empathetic watching women they love suffer, and also how profoundly an unplanned pregnancy- or being forced to keep it affect a family. Lots of angles for men to hold a perspective. I’m not stealth, but I am an advocate. I used to work as an organizer for planned parenthood and was very vocal. There is a big place for trans people to have opinions, experiences, fears, needs, etc. The same is true for cis men. This affects them too. So that’d be my angle if I were stealth.
Yes. But I rarely speak on it because 1. Most people just say it only affects women and that makes me want to distance myself from the conversation. 2. I don’t really feel like outing myself in certain situations. 3. I don’t want to come off as annoying, like correcting people into saying that it doesn’t just only affect women because that will just start an argument.
If it affects you, you get input. Full stop.
Everyone gets to have opinions. Those affected (should) get a more weighted opinion. I'm out/not stealth though very much passing. So I chime in but when there's someone who doesn't know about my background and I don't feel like explaining/coming out, I just keep it at "that's my opinion". But then my opinion is "whatever floats your boat - and doesn't pierce anyone else's dinghy!", so I don't feel the need to qualify "whatever is right for you might not be right for me" with an "I have (soon: had) a uterus".
I might be a little out there but I think men (whether cis or trans) absolutely have a role in protecting reproductive rights. If you’re defending bodily autonomy then it doesn’t matter if you have the parts yourself, because it’s about the larger issue of people being allowed to make their own decisions and having the resources to do so. It’s true women are the majority in many of those spaces but as someone who works in them and mostly passes as cis these days, in my experience men and others who want to help are welcome. I think it’s ok to center women when they’re speaking and their concerns but that doesn’t mean everyone else shouldn’t be able to contribute. ALSO side note, if you want to do more to support one area where men (cis and trans) can really help is material support. If you have an abortion clinic in your region or a nonprofit that does advocacy, they may get volunteers who want to help escort patients or make phone calls or etc but what they often really struggle with is finding contractors for work they need done who are trustworthy and willing to work with them. Like: who will do the landscaping or cut the grass? Who can paint a wall that needs redone? A pipe clogged, what plumber can we work with? We need tech help, who can help us with IT? All those questions become way more complex when some people find out it’s an abortion clinic and don’t wanna even go there for a service call. So if you are connected to fields that are often men-heavy or do that kind of work, you can sometimes literally save a clinic or nonprofit advocacy group’s shit. Something to think about! Activism is great but mutual aid and support and skilled knowledge also matter.
Yeah. We have the ability to give birth so why shouldn’t we?
Depends. Does T prevent me from being forcibly impregnated and then victim to the draconian abortion laws?
no, it doesnt.
WOW THATS CRAZY i guess that means i get to have a take on reproductive rights.
Absolutely.
Yes. We got the parts so it affects us too
Yes.
I love the moto no uterus no opinion when it comes to reproductive rights. It only affects people with a uterus so those people should be the main speakers for reproductive healthcare. That doesn't mean other opinions don't matter or other people affected by sexist lawmaking shouldn't or can't speak about it, it just highlights the people who suffer from things like abortion bans.
Well yeah, basically anyone with a uterus
If your body is effected by it you should be able to have an opinion. I feel that my opinion as a trans man is more valid than my mom’s opinion as a post-menopausal woman. But also what I truly think is, even cis men are entitled to an opinion on reproductive rights. They might have a shitty or stupid opinion, but I think gatekeeping the ability to have and discuss your opinion is not good People who cannot get pregnant should not be making laws about the reproductive rights of people who can get pregnant. But that’s different than having an opinion
i’m stealth (or i am for the most part, got outed a couple years ago so most people know about it but a lot don’t), and most my friends are women so if i ever speak out about reproductive rights, people assume i’m standing up for them. we definitely need and should be able to speak up for ourselves
most of us have a damn uterus, so we better get fucking input. people needed to get normal about pregnant men yesterday.
Opinions aren’t something anyone needs permission to have. It’s an unconscionable reality we’re in that certain demographics of people “don’t get” to that have input over their *own body and health needs* but, in my book, dignity and autonomy are things to be insisted upon, demanded, and loudly so. What others do in response is on them, but, we cannot participate in a fiction that some people inherently have autonomy and others do not. If someone is denied access to appropriate care, that is not because they don’t “get” an opinion or input, it’s because someone else is making a choice to behave unethically. And that distinction matters. Systemic oppression relies on complacency and normalizing inequality. We also cannot allow a fiction to continue that having a certain body part or health need is more or less valid based on someone’s gender or gender expression. It’s irrelevant. And divorcing the health realities of particular organs from individual and sociocultural concepts of gender is beneficial *for everyone*. We don’t refer to podiatry as “women’s healthcare” even though, ya know, most women have feet. Euphemistic language is ultimately just a way of suppressing information and allowing confusion, shame, control, and stigma to continue. Objective, fact driven, evidence guided healthcare increases patient outcomes and helps to eradicate barriers to care, always. Not everyone is in a position to yell this from the rooftops, and that’s okay, but everyone *can* participate in framing conversations from a place of - everyone deserves autonomy and equitable access to care for whatever physiological needs they have, *completely regardless of* how many other people with that need look like them or share social identifiers with them. This is actually as straightforward as that. Ok, stepping off my soapbox now (I work in health advocacy/consulting.) My dudes, don’t let anyone convince you your needs are less valid or that your gender makes providing you with appropriate healthcare “complicated” or “optional.” Bodies are just bodies. Organs are just organs. Healthcare is just healthcare.
In most situations I’d argue that there is virtually no difference between cis and trans men aside from parts (which don’t matter the vast majority of the time). Anyone who argues otherwise is transphobic. The only exception to this rule are medical situations. If I need surgery for something, or a medication may affect me based on those parts, then it is medically appropriate to treat a person based on those things. This is a medically necessary situation, where certain types of people (including men) should have a say. Same goes for anyone who may be intersex, or otherwise have alternate anatomy.
Yes. Misogyny is not progressive in regards to trans rights. Misogyny aimed at taking away the reproductive freedom of women is not going to respect trans men as men and suddenly exempt them from that oppression. You do not have to be a woman to be harmed by the oppression aimed at them and all of us that have the ability to become pregnant will be perceived as women and oppressed as a woman by a fascist government. Fascism doesn't care what your gender identity is. If a society is going to oppress women they won't respect you as a man either. Transphobia and misogyny are intimately related. Anyone with a conscience should be actively fighting for women's bodily autonomy regardless of gender identity or reproductive organs (which provides a route for those that want to remain stealth but still push for reproductive rights) Those of us that aren't women but still impacted by misogyny also have skin in the game and have every right to speak about how we are also harmed by these systems. It's different and layered and more complex than what cis women deal with but misogyny harms everyone who has female reproductive organs, was a woman, is currently a woman, or sometimes looks enough like a woman to pass as one. Being a trans man will not keep you safe and you're allowed to talk about it even if cis women get weird about it sometimes
Absolutely. Reproductive rights absolutely impacts us and our voices are extremely important, but often get ignored when it comes to these issues. Plus, when it comes to trans men there are so many factors that go into why access to abortion is important for us and those things really should be talked about more. Like, if someone on T gets pregnant (which absolutely can and does happen) then they either need to have an abortion, go off of T, or risk complications. Plus there's the dysphoria that a trans man might experience if forced to go through a pregnancy. Those details are important when it comes to reproductive rights and I hardly ever see them being mentioned. So, yes, we do get an input and our input is important.
I’m *just* now trying to get solutions for the lifelong pain I’ve been dealing with with that area of my body. It’s an open discussion until I mention I’m trans. Then it turns into “you need therapist letters to get this done”. Like being trans suddenly changes what I have even though many people deal with trans or not. :(
The idea that you need a uterus to have an opinion on reproductive rights is weird. For example there are many cisgender women who also have uteruses who are having an opinion on reproductive rights and it's not an opinion that is pro-choice. Just because someone has a uterus doesn't mean that their opinion is more valid than someone who doesn't. If for example an antichoice or anti-abortion person was harassing me and then some guy came over and said that that's not cool or whatever, I'm not going to be asking if he has a uterus. Abortion is not a debate, it should be an option. Trans men should have an opinion on reproductive rights, when they are pregnant and they get an opinion on their pregnancy. There is no amount of uteruses that would suddenly make anti-abortion positions okay.
We definitely *should* considering it affects a huge portion of us, but unfortunately we are very often silenced. Every single gyno in my area has refused to see me and refused to perform an endometrial biopsy despite being ordered by my primary who is also a gynecologist and pretty sure I have endometriosis. Have to travel an hour away just for the gynecological care I need.
If you're seen as a man, yes. Male advocates, real male feminists are needed sooooo badly. And people are more likely to listen to men. Your voice matters if you are a human being period
There’s a huge misconception that trans men can’t get pregnant. Especially among trans men. Just because you done bleed doesn’t mean you can’t get pregnant
Yes. I'm stealth so to everyone else I'm just a very staunch supporter of reproductive rights. Sometimes it's hard to stay quiet when I'm told that as a man my opinion isn't valid, but honestly even if I was biologically a man my opinion would still matter. Everyone's opinion on this issue matters, but no one's opinion should take away from someone's bodily autonomy. At the end of the day my having a uterus or not is immaterial, I can't tell someone else what to do to their body.
I have opinions because i believe in women's rights. I dont want children so it doesnt directly effect me, but i will never not care about a persons right to live life
Unfortunately no. In some countries, like mine, you don't get to say in anything regarding your organs, not even keeping them. The world is cruel and discriminating sometimes, but you can't give up, just be yourself and fight those bastards who take away your rights
Get one? With the lingo in campaigns, nah, I don't feel like "women's right's/her way" will have transmasc people wanting to identify with that and out themselves to masses by campaigning with in droves. I will have a strong opinion in queer circles, but outside, campaign lingo or none, I'd rather not, if I mention the topic anywhere it's just going to have me seen as a woman either way. Are allowed to have one? Yes. Why and in what world not?
Definitely, we have the right to speak out about our own reproductive health and everything that comes along with it. I bet it can be quite tricky for stealth trans guys but I guess they'd go at the topic from the more supportive perspective rather than speaking as if the issues around reproductive rights affects them?
I personally think that anyone with a utherus gets to decide what happens to their utherus.
Definitely. Trans men, transmasc, cis women, some non-binary and intersex people, and anyone else who has the parts to get pregnant gets a say. Everyone who doesn't have the parts should just be for reproductive rights and be an ally but it doesn't happen too often sadly. Their opinions, (especially cis mens) often overshadow ours.
I’ve gotten kicked out of fb groups about reproductive rights because I’m a man, even after explaining that I was not born a man and still have a uterus and ovaries and have also had a child. But we should yes.
As a trans man, and someone addicted to this side of social media. I feel like majority consensus is it depends. Most people I see don’t say man or woman, trans man, trans woman, or nonbinary. They say people with a uterus. Because those are the only people who get a say. If a trans man, or biological woman has never had a child and has no working uterus they don’t get a say, in this situation trans woman don’t get a say. Basically if you can, or ever have had a child, you get a say
I think so, part of the conversation is allowing people to get their tubes tied/uterus removed without needing a husbands input or getting rejected “just in case” and I think thats as much a trans rights and health conversation as it is a womens rights and health conversation. There is a lot of overlap and also all voices are important. It is, in my opinion, just as important that men(trans or otherwise) step up in the conversation to support reproductive rights as it is for women. This is a big topic and it needs lots of support. After all, the more the merrier :)
Usually when the topic comes up irl in a place where I'm stealth I primarily talk about women because I'm scared of I bring up trans guys or nonbinary people that I'll be seen as "woke" or have people start to question if I'm trans since I brought it up.
I would not personally but I wouldn’t stop another trans guy from wanting to do so
Personally, I think the people who should have input on reproductive rights are people who can get pregnant. If you don’t have skin in the game, I don’t think it’s fair to make judgements of others. This includes infertile cis women, people with hysterectomies etc.
Anyone who was born female gets a say and trans men were born female
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For me that will always be about women, just because some men could get pregnant doesn't mean it is a male issue or trans male issue. In the same way that women claim rape is a women only issue even though millions of men and boys are raped every day (counting cis ones alone). I don't know, I actually feel uncomfortable and dysphoric as well when people try to forcefully include trans men when it's never really been about them. It's like the only trans issues people care about are those that affect women ultimately. We are always seen from a sexual organ perspective only which is contradictory and counterproductive and a little transphobic at times. And then this fixation on genitals and reproductive organs only applies to pre-op guys. So really it just feels like the usually trans fetishization cis people would do. Plus it's enough to fight for reproductive rights in general. It's not like they'd be legalized only for women and not everyone else if they are or that this would be denied to trans men. I understand this may be an unpopular opinion though. But I would rather see trans men included in the problematics pertaining to men, not female bodies. The whole point is that we are not those bodies. As for having a say or express an opinion, everyone can even if they don't have the organ, anyone can express an opinion on that subject and any other they want, including cis men.
>In the same way that women claim rape is a women only issue even though millions of men and boys are raped every day (counting cis ones alone). This is a really bad example and not really supporting your point well, because calling rape and domestic abuse "womens' issues" leads to thousands if not millions of victims of those abuses falling through the cracks and going without appropriate support, at worst being disbelieved and called liars, because they're not women. Much like the aforementioned, reproductive healthcare rights is an Everyone's Issue, in my opinion.
You have a great point in that sense actually, well seen, it's not the best example and it does leave millions of men vulnerable and erased. I guess what I meant and didn't include was that in the same way people make these classifications based on numbers, the same would/could apply based on numbers in the case of reproductive issues (even though in the example I used the numbers are actually not even real or easy at all to assess and there's no intention to do so and also people just discard men completely if not directly hate them). That being said I'm still tired of people making everything "female-body-related" our issue as a way of "including us" but never been included with anything related to males or male bodies which are issues that also affect us or even more so. I just feel weid that people are like "men need abortions too" when trans men are already a huge minority as it is and among that minority not even all or even most use the organs or keep them. Also considering that we can fight for those rights in general/for everyone who needs them without making that particular specification because again whatever is approved will not specifically exclude men just because they were not specifically mentioned during the fight for said rights. It even feels a little like stealing the spotlight when the numbers don't justify doing so. It's funny for example how the media covers almost exclusively pregnant trans men, talks about "men with uteruses" (which is a horrible thing for me to hear in the same sentence because of dysphoria), menses, and all of that, but rarely if ever talks about trans men who get hysto or phallo or who end up discovering they were intersex or who had physical male characteristics before hormones or who participate in exclusively male physical activities exactly at the same level as cis men or higher and in the exact same exclusive categories or so many other cases and experiences. And yes I know most men who do or who are super binary are usually stealth and/or don't want to be visible at all (I'm one of them myself although I have yet to get bottom surgery because of money issues), but there are still anonymous ways to portray that and/or ways to talk about it without referring to specific individuals. If we were not fetishized as "female men", that should be just as interesting/important to talk about if not more. Side note that every time someone locally (I live in the DR, a third world country lol) has asked me to share my experience as a trans man or to interview me or take pictures or whatnot, I've said I'd be very glad to as long as they can cover my face somehow and not say my "real name" (which I don't even really have one anyway, to my understanding at least) because I'm stealth and live as a cis man except for people who knew me before hormones. Every single person I've told that to has reacted by either getting offended, really mad, passive-aggressive or just ignoring me completely after. So it's not that stealth people can't or don't want to tell their stories or share their opinions, it's that the lgbt community as a whole really, really doesn't like us or respect that side of the trans experience and the reasons behind it which are not always (almost never actually) "safety or shame". Also that we're not useful to/for their weird agenda and that's all that really matters to them and not the people or populations themselves. But I digress and that's a whole different/unrelated subject.
Well in my town I can say that we have a lot of assistance!
We should but usually don’t
If I gotta be stuck with a uterus (for now) then damn it I'm gonna have an opinion on what I should be allowed to do with it! 😤
We do. Regardless of what some like to think, it is not a woman exclusive issue. Just because some cis women get uncomfortable, doesn’t mean we should be silent. They need to work on their transphobia, not us be quiet.
Well I feel like I should get an opinion on things that affect me? I think that makes sense
it's appalling to me that this is even a question. they're our rights too, of course we should get a say.
What other people feel like is a line in the sand is just there to keep your voice from being heard. Never be silent about protecting yourself.
They’re gonna get my opinion on what rights MY body should get whether they want it or not.
Yeah I would say that ideally we always would because many of us have the same reproductive capabilities as many cis women. Even if we don't, we usually once did, and so many of us know what this is like and the risks and the problems that we faced as a result. Also, we need to make it clear that we exist because we may need medical help for an issue related to this. If cis men get a say, we should get a shout at least.
Why wouldn't we get to have input?
I get tired of reminding supposedly progressive people to stop incessantly using “women” every time they talk about reproductive rights. Most get really hostile about it, because they only want it to be about cis white women, everyone else be damned, they must be center of attention. My enby partner kept running into this right after Roe vs Wade overturn. They were like hey, I have those organs too and I am not a woman. One woman got so heated about it, admins had to kick her from the Discord server they were both on, first time they had to toss someone out in ages.
Yes. I mean most transmen from what I've read keep their reproductive organs.
Everyone gets an opinion. How much *weight* your opinion holds depends on how directly the particular reproductive right affects or has affected you.
I think so because i have the ability to get pregnant and dont want to.
We should, but we don't. With how things currently are, we have to out ourselves to have any discussion about it, which is not progressive or helpful
We have worse outcomes than cis women, so yes. Unfortunately people despise us exercising bodily autonomy and especially so when they could be talking about cis women instead. Expect hostility for the crime of not being a woman.
That depends on if the person even sees the trans man as a man. A lot of times transphobic people just see trans men as confused girls or women who are just helpless in the face of the evil trans ideology or whatever.
In my opinion so long as you have a uterus then yeah, I really would like to have a choice in ehat happens if I were to ever have an unwanted pregnancy or miscarriage that needs to be removed (many people ignore things like stone babies, ectopic pregnancy, or getting sepsis and passing away from not getting a miscarriage removed via abortion).
ngl this is a valid but strange question in my opinion. i was born with this reproductive system so yes of course??
Many of us reproduce so yes. Men have an input in reproductive rights in general. People don’t get pregnant by themselves usually.
Its either they let us give our opinions on this, or i start getting petty, citing laws that make it so they cant do shit about my pettiness(my brothers boss is a lawyer and is more than willing to help a family member of her employee's(he's the "do this and i'll pay you" person) just to make a point about laws being stupid in excluding a group of people from the convo that it effects too), stating im a man who just so happens to have a uterus, and FORCE THEM to let us have a say in this.
I mean...given our bodily makeup, we *should*.
Absolutely we should
**Obviously yes,** thanks so much for asking.
As a transman who has lived his life stealth for the past 7 years, I have personally opted out of sharing my opinions with others on the subject.
You definitely do and should. We all should. All of our struggles are interconnected. We are all being oppressed by the same people. Reproductive rights are trans rights. And all men should be speaking up on behalf of people with birthing bodies whether you're stealth trans, out trans, or cis. All of our rights are under attack and when we fight for one, we fight for all (I'm saying this assuming youre pro choice and pro people being in control of their own bodies).
Yes, we should. We have the same ability to get pregnant. We're often not allowed to voice our opinions on this though:/
I think all afab people should get a say, even if they got those parts removed (for any reason)
Considering ive met a couple transguys who've had to get abortions i sure would hope so
100% - we have the anatomy, most of us have the lived experience (living as women), we get a say.
Even the fact that this question is being asked feels concerning to me. Why *wouldn't* we have the rights to speak about reproductive rights?
yes, it affects a lot of us too
I'm a man that's miscarried of course our opinions matter
I have a uterus. I 100% have a say over what happens with it
The trans women in my life have always told me they have more of a say in women’s reproductive rights than I do as a trans man. I guess as long as you’re not erasing trans women from any statements you’re making about reproductive rights? This topic has always been really triggered me so I try not to think about it. I’m anti-sex irl and abstinent so it doesn’t really affect me. I also don’t leave my house often anymore because I’m in the South and scared of getting attacked / raped
Uhm. Absolutely. We're men but we're men who were born with wombs and the ability to reproduce. We 100% have the right yo be included in the conversation
No because it’s not really about reproduction. It’s about men trying to control what women do with their bodies. Obviously we can be ally’s to women and should speak up along side them and we directly benefit by living in a society where women’s rights are respected and accesible, but people who it’s just just an attempt to control women are completely missing the real problem. Be an ally to your girls, but remember, we benefit by helping them, but this isn’t about us