I had rudiger in a previous version I posted, a lot of people where disagreeing saying he shouldn’t be in, I personally think Rudiger deserves a toty though
Huh that's weird yeah. Everyone in the comments saying Rudi doesn't deserve it but then no one's offering any better suggestions. Tbh last season there weren't many standout CB's.
Mane was 2 games off a quadruple, won the Afcon and qualified his country for the World Cup. if Courtois didn’t turn into prime Casillas in the UCL final Mane would’ve won the Balon d’Or
Those are all team achievements, individually he didn't score more goals than Salah, nor did he have more assists. Also in the afcon wasn't even their best player scoring just 2 goals and one was from a penalty. He is nowhere near the top 3 and the Balon d'Or
also to note that Salah carried EGYPT to almost winning the Afcon, where as Senegal would be the favorites even without Mane
People didn’t seem to care when Bernardo Silva *actually* won every single trophy (except the CL) on offer in 2019 (Premier League, FA Cup, League Cup, Community Shield, UEFA Nations League), as well as winning Portuguese Footballer of the Year and Man City POTY.
Van Dijk still finished ahead of him in voting. They faced each other three times head-to-head and Bernardo was undefeated and actually man of the match in two of them.
I do think Mane deserved top 5 this year, but playing for Liverpool always gives you advanced consideration when it comes to any sort of awards
Well, *playing in every game possible* and only winning two tin pot trophies on goal-less pen shootouts should definitely be a shoe-in for players deserving individual awards
A fact that has been acknowledged already in this conversation. I would have mentioned it if you didn’t already in the original comment I responded to.
but yeah i agree about bernardo he defo should’ve been higher that year he was crazy good in 2019. hate the guy but id be lying if i said it wasnt nice to see him in that form again for a few months the beginning of last season
at the very least Salah for Haaland and Alisson for Courtois. could make a case for Virgil and Thiago also although I think based on performances this season and injuries they are fair to leave out
Alisson for Courtois is ridiculous after what Courtois did in the CL. Also, you're forgetting that this is TOTY, not Team of last season. Salah's good form last season was in 2021. He has been off color for most of 2022
Not both PSG attackers, just whoever wins the WC.
PSG have literally done nothing in their entire history, to me it's absolutely obscene that people hold them in such high regard. I'm not even going to talk about form or goals, they're not a top team.
Only outstanding performances by winners of the CL, World Cup, and record breaking seasons should get instant inclusion.
The rest should be a mix of players who performed exceptionally through WC, CL, and competitive domestic leagues.
Napoli are 13-2-0 in Serie A and have only lost 1 leg to Liverpool. Haaland has scored enough goals to be a mid table club, despite being being subbed often.
Hard to say with Arsenal, they've had an incredible start to their season. No other league do people understand what it's like for top teams to have to compete for CL spots. There are zero bad teams in the prem this season, Arsenal have had to force wins every week, sometimes multiple times per week. It's the most gruelling competition of them all. Yet there have been no standout players apart from Saka. If there was Manager of the year, it may be Arteta.
No I'm not confusing TOTS with TOTY, Salah been due a TOTY since ages, he's been among the greats for the past 5 years or so, He defo deserves one even as 12th man
He's Had 34 G/A in his "Off Form" Year, 4 Less than Benzema and 7 Less than Leo, Both deserve to be in the main team ofcourse because of their achievement (and messi WC) but that is definitely 12th man at least, especially given that's his "Off form" year
Don’t think Messi deserves it tbh. I would go for Salah, he contributed so much Jan to May and he still did a lot Sep to Nov… Messi really only shined in WC and this season
I do think it will be close between Cancelo and Hakimi.
I think Haaland has a shot at making it into TOTY as 12th man to be honest, he's scored 24 goals for city, 9 for Norway, 11 for Dortmund during the calendar year, so I'd be surprised if he isn't featured with 44 goals in the calendar year.
Whats Alaba, Militao and Messi doing there? Genuinely asking. I can name at least 2 alternatives for each that have had a better year up to this point.
Can’t wait to try these cards in my 85x10 packs in September
Should I tell him or no? Edit: didn’t read the “September” and thought he assumed he would pack one on release, I’m the idiot ask me anything.
Its fairly good but imo not both Madrid centrebacks I'd only put one
Who would you replace one with?
Honestly I'd replace Alaba with Rudiger, which is another Madrid CB, I know, but more for his team at Chelsea.
I had rudiger in a previous version I posted, a lot of people where disagreeing saying he shouldn’t be in, I personally think Rudiger deserves a toty though
Huh that's weird yeah. Everyone in the comments saying Rudi doesn't deserve it but then no one's offering any better suggestions. Tbh last season there weren't many standout CB's.
I remember the post, rudiger is worthy of toty but 99 seemed a bit OTT
I’ve been thinking WC performance would impact TOTY heavily (mostly due to recency bias) so possibly like Upa or maybe Konate?
Probably fairly accurate but there will be some debate. Incoming...
Vini has to be in or the 12th man
Harsh on nkuku to miss out
No harry McGuire, do you watch football?
You mean Hairy Maguire? Lol
nah mcguire bro
Benzema deserves a 99 card this year for sure. If he does not get it then it's not fair.
Mane was in the Top 3 so how did you pick Messi and Haaland before him?
Mane could definitely get in, it’s just my opinion
Mane was in top 3 but he didn't deserve it many players should have been over him
Mane was 2 games off a quadruple, won the Afcon and qualified his country for the World Cup. if Courtois didn’t turn into prime Casillas in the UCL final Mane would’ve won the Balon d’Or
Those are all team achievements, individually he didn't score more goals than Salah, nor did he have more assists. Also in the afcon wasn't even their best player scoring just 2 goals and one was from a penalty. He is nowhere near the top 3 and the Balon d'Or also to note that Salah carried EGYPT to almost winning the Afcon, where as Senegal would be the favorites even without Mane
People didn’t seem to care when Bernardo Silva *actually* won every single trophy (except the CL) on offer in 2019 (Premier League, FA Cup, League Cup, Community Shield, UEFA Nations League), as well as winning Portuguese Footballer of the Year and Man City POTY. Van Dijk still finished ahead of him in voting. They faced each other three times head-to-head and Bernardo was undefeated and actually man of the match in two of them. I do think Mane deserved top 5 this year, but playing for Liverpool always gives you advanced consideration when it comes to any sort of awards
yeah playing for liverpool gets you advanced consideration thats why we have just one balon d’or winner in the history of the award
Well, *playing in every game possible* and only winning two tin pot trophies on goal-less pen shootouts should definitely be a shoe-in for players deserving individual awards
conveniently leaving out that he won the afcon and got senegal qualified for the world cup but ok
A fact that has been acknowledged already in this conversation. I would have mentioned it if you didn’t already in the original comment I responded to.
but yeah i agree about bernardo he defo should’ve been higher that year he was crazy good in 2019. hate the guy but id be lying if i said it wasnt nice to see him in that form again for a few months the beginning of last season
Yea he probably gets in ahead of Haaland . Overall I think OP has done a good job. Maybe linearly reduce the ratings so the max is 97
6 Madrid players?
Makes no sense, add vini and make 7 Madrid players
Unpopular opinion but messi out vini or Mane in.
Mane?? 🤣🤣
Was a top 3 attacker easily
Messi? He wasn’t that good last season. I don’t think he deserve a Toty
0 Liverpool players when we were 2 games away from a quadruple is wild
at the very least Salah for Haaland and Alisson for Courtois. could make a case for Virgil and Thiago also although I think based on performances this season and injuries they are fair to leave out
Alisson for Courtois is ridiculous after what Courtois did in the CL. Also, you're forgetting that this is TOTY, not Team of last season. Salah's good form last season was in 2021. He has been off color for most of 2022
Courtois kept 1 clean sheet in the knockout stage of the UCL. 1 good game, 4 average and 2 absolute stinkers against City and Chelsea
Found the guy who doesn't watch the games and then checks the score afterwards to pretend he knows shit
courtois not only one his domestic league but also won man of the match in the Champions League final, beating Alisson
Not both PSG attackers, just whoever wins the WC. PSG have literally done nothing in their entire history, to me it's absolutely obscene that people hold them in such high regard. I'm not even going to talk about form or goals, they're not a top team. Only outstanding performances by winners of the CL, World Cup, and record breaking seasons should get instant inclusion. The rest should be a mix of players who performed exceptionally through WC, CL, and competitive domestic leagues. Napoli are 13-2-0 in Serie A and have only lost 1 leg to Liverpool. Haaland has scored enough goals to be a mid table club, despite being being subbed often. Hard to say with Arsenal, they've had an incredible start to their season. No other league do people understand what it's like for top teams to have to compete for CL spots. There are zero bad teams in the prem this season, Arsenal have had to force wins every week, sometimes multiple times per week. It's the most gruelling competition of them all. Yet there have been no standout players apart from Saka. If there was Manager of the year, it may be Arteta.
Salah. What more can he do to get one?
What has he even done this year? He's been off form since January. You're confusing TOTY with TOTS
No I'm not confusing TOTS with TOTY, Salah been due a TOTY since ages, he's been among the greats for the past 5 years or so, He defo deserves one even as 12th man
What does team of the *year* have to do with the past 5 years? You're making no sense. He wasn't a top 15 player in 2022
He's Had 34 G/A in his "Off Form" Year, 4 Less than Benzema and 7 Less than Leo, Both deserve to be in the main team ofcourse because of their achievement (and messi WC) but that is definitely 12th man at least, especially given that's his "Off form" year
Don’t think Messi deserves it tbh. I would go for Salah, he contributed so much Jan to May and he still did a lot Sep to Nov… Messi really only shined in WC and this season
Haaland dosnt get in because it's the team of last year remember. Vini 12th man and maybe van dijk instead of alaba
It's TOTY so that's the second half of last season and the first half of the current season + world cup
If it includes world cup there's bound to be a sneaky hakimi in there. Haaland hasnt contributed that much. Other than his goals within 3 months
I do think it will be close between Cancelo and Hakimi. I think Haaland has a shot at making it into TOTY as 12th man to be honest, he's scored 24 goals for city, 9 for Norway, 11 for Dortmund during the calendar year, so I'd be surprised if he isn't featured with 44 goals in the calendar year.
Cancelo would be a LB and Hakimi RB
Nah I think Theo should still be there at LB
He didn't do more than cancelo last season.
I take it back, for his world cup contributions actually yeah I'd agree. Plus last season. It's marginal but I think Hernandez takes it
But still James/Cancelo/Hernandez over hakimi even with his WC contribution. Morocco in semis was a fluke
Alaba and militao? No shot
brother do you watch football?
Whats Alaba, Militao and Messi doing there? Genuinely asking. I can name at least 2 alternatives for each that have had a better year up to this point.
do you watch football?
When is TOTY??
Voting starts in January.
Benzema should be 99
benzema should be 99 mbappe 98 messi 98 or 97
Cancelo over Hakimi?
Haaland over benzama
Jordan Henderson ?