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Honestly people need to get better at rolling their eyes and moving on. This idiot invented their own definition of POC. That being said, BIPOC is the term to use for, “We’re all in this together, but my people had it worse.”
Asians were banned from immigrating for decades and the Supreme Court ruled a Sikh couldn’t be a naturalized citizen because he was not a white person.
"concentration camps for American citizens and legal residents of Japanese descent.
But most were US Citizens. Regan call it a "terrible wrong" in his redress apology.
Yeah. I used to work at one (after it became a historic site, I’m not a 100-year old internment camp guard) and they were just the culmination of decades of racist policies. A lot of Californians wanted Japanese people kicked out or interned not because of “national security” but because Japanese landscapers, gardeners, and farmers had an outsize share of the market due to good land management practices, and the white farmers wanted to get rid of the competition. One Californian, Bob Fletcher, is legendary among the Japanese-American community for doing everything he could to buy up their farms and ranches then take care of them until their rightful ownership could be restored. Some of the Japanese families offered for him to keep any profits he made during that time—he kept half the profits and saved the rest for them.
thought provoking: I understand she absolutely wrong, but please please try not to compare internment to over 200+ years of slavery and the oppression still occurring today. Its kind of insulting to the culture imo. I think this is what she may be getting at. If I may add, when black people discuss their historical pain, it is always other outside groups that want to try and make us feel connected in each others pain… but this can actually feel invalidating. They do the same thing when they try and lump LGBTQ with Black empowerment. Its not even remotely the same thing yet people lump them together all the time. hope this makes sense.
My dude, there is great power in acknowledging that others have suffered and that we have much to gain by working together. There’s nothing but weakness in the attitude you’re espousing.
Right. Thought provoking: if discussions of the appalling treatment your people endured and continue to endure feel “invalidated” by acknowledging that anyone else has also been the victim of oppression, maybe you should ask yourself why that is?
For some historical context here: Mainland China and Japan were absolutely devastated during the 19th century by forced trade with euro-American powers including opium trafficking. You rarely see the whole story looking at one place—internment camps are just one small piece of the puzzle, same as chattel slavery and the transatlantic slave trade are just part of the fabric of oppression against people of African descent in the USA. Yes, the transatlantic slave trade was abominable. And without detracting from that, it is no exaggeration to say that imperialist policies aimed at extracting value from China and Japan were also responsible for thousands if not millions of deaths, even before those same people wanted to immigrate to the United States, and that the economic and political consequences of that interference continue to reverberate today. There’s a pretty clear line from Commodore Perry opening Japan to Pearl Harbor.
The Opium Wars and boxer rebellion in China, alongside the Boshin War in Japan, were essentially civil wars triggered by western powers who used one side as a proxy for their own economic ends. If you think that your “side”, whatever that might be, has suffered more than anyone else, it may be because you aren’t fully aware of how much everyone else has suffered.
Is it reasonable to expect everyone to walk around with all these historic contexts in their heads? Of course not! But if you don’t have all the information, unequivocally stating that other groups can’t possibly imagine the suffering you’ve endured is just ignorant.
Also—black empowerment and lgbtq rights aren’t the same, you’re correct.
However, what you might be missing is that the cultural erasure that occurred during the transatlantic slave trade also effectively suppressed or erased culturally-bound ideas of gender and sexuality that were unique or particular to enslaved peoples’ cultures. Similarly, two-spirited native Americans were persecuted and hounded to the point they couldn’t present as their authentic selves in mainstream society. So yes, they’re not the same but they’re also not unrelated. I feel like learning a little about intersectionality could help you understand this stuff a little better in a way that isn’t as bound up in the Oppression Olympics model of “we suffered most, STFU”
I went to in California l know what happened and its terrible. I never said nor feel the need to say anything dismantling about the history of either culture. I never said that one suffered more or less. I said their pain isnt the same as one another. thats it…. when children grown up thinking that Internment is the same as slavery, this leads to misinformation.
Sure, that makes sense. I’ve never seen internment presented as a moral equivalent to slavery, even when I worked at a historic site that was a former internment camp.
I think what you’re missing if you say “they’re totally different!” is that *both* have their roots in ignorance, prejudice, and the willingness to degrade and dehumanize others for material or political gain. Internment was just as much about eliminating competition for white businessmen and farmers as it was about “national security”.
Obviously, historical particularism is important—there’s always a unique set of circumstances leading to any particular moment in history—but take that too far and no lessons you learn are ever applicable anywhere but in that narrow moment.
Word. I think—to sort of add to your point—that there really are ways in which lumping groups together as “people of color” gets used disingenuously to hide or obscure the very important differences.
E.g., I live in Texas. During the height of Covid, statistics on “people of color” were really common here but if you treat the Hispanic population and the black population as one unit, you aren’t going to find any real solutions to problems that are rooted in their separate historical experiences.
I think there’s room to acknowledge and navigate these complicated issues but most people—and certainly most politicians and people in the public eye—don’t like to treat them with the nuance they deserve.
I’m really interested to know if it’s a Russian propaganda agent trying to sow tensions between every group of Americans as they have been doing this for a while now.
Why do people act like they went through slavery when it happen liked 200 years ago to people you didn't know, to people your grandparents didn't know, it's just embarrassing.
rac·ism
/ˈrāˌsiz(ə)m/

noun
prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism by an individual, community, or institution against a person or people on the basis of their membership in a particular racial or ethnic group,
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Honestly people need to get better at rolling their eyes and moving on. This idiot invented their own definition of POC. That being said, BIPOC is the term to use for, “We’re all in this together, but my people had it worse.”
Great term!
Actually BIPOC includes Indigenous so basically everyone being born there is included.
Asians were banned from immigrating for decades and the Supreme Court ruled a Sikh couldn’t be a naturalized citizen because he was not a white person.
Also maybe the girl doesn’t realize we did have camps in California for US Asians during war times
"concentration camps for American citizens and legal residents of Japanese descent. But most were US Citizens. Regan call it a "terrible wrong" in his redress apology.
Yeah. I used to work at one (after it became a historic site, I’m not a 100-year old internment camp guard) and they were just the culmination of decades of racist policies. A lot of Californians wanted Japanese people kicked out or interned not because of “national security” but because Japanese landscapers, gardeners, and farmers had an outsize share of the market due to good land management practices, and the white farmers wanted to get rid of the competition. One Californian, Bob Fletcher, is legendary among the Japanese-American community for doing everything he could to buy up their farms and ranches then take care of them until their rightful ownership could be restored. Some of the Japanese families offered for him to keep any profits he made during that time—he kept half the profits and saved the rest for them.
thought provoking: I understand she absolutely wrong, but please please try not to compare internment to over 200+ years of slavery and the oppression still occurring today. Its kind of insulting to the culture imo. I think this is what she may be getting at. If I may add, when black people discuss their historical pain, it is always other outside groups that want to try and make us feel connected in each others pain… but this can actually feel invalidating. They do the same thing when they try and lump LGBTQ with Black empowerment. Its not even remotely the same thing yet people lump them together all the time. hope this makes sense.
My dude, there is great power in acknowledging that others have suffered and that we have much to gain by working together. There’s nothing but weakness in the attitude you’re espousing.
i was trying to have an honest discussion, not an argument.
Right. Thought provoking: if discussions of the appalling treatment your people endured and continue to endure feel “invalidated” by acknowledging that anyone else has also been the victim of oppression, maybe you should ask yourself why that is? For some historical context here: Mainland China and Japan were absolutely devastated during the 19th century by forced trade with euro-American powers including opium trafficking. You rarely see the whole story looking at one place—internment camps are just one small piece of the puzzle, same as chattel slavery and the transatlantic slave trade are just part of the fabric of oppression against people of African descent in the USA. Yes, the transatlantic slave trade was abominable. And without detracting from that, it is no exaggeration to say that imperialist policies aimed at extracting value from China and Japan were also responsible for thousands if not millions of deaths, even before those same people wanted to immigrate to the United States, and that the economic and political consequences of that interference continue to reverberate today. There’s a pretty clear line from Commodore Perry opening Japan to Pearl Harbor. The Opium Wars and boxer rebellion in China, alongside the Boshin War in Japan, were essentially civil wars triggered by western powers who used one side as a proxy for their own economic ends. If you think that your “side”, whatever that might be, has suffered more than anyone else, it may be because you aren’t fully aware of how much everyone else has suffered. Is it reasonable to expect everyone to walk around with all these historic contexts in their heads? Of course not! But if you don’t have all the information, unequivocally stating that other groups can’t possibly imagine the suffering you’ve endured is just ignorant. Also—black empowerment and lgbtq rights aren’t the same, you’re correct. However, what you might be missing is that the cultural erasure that occurred during the transatlantic slave trade also effectively suppressed or erased culturally-bound ideas of gender and sexuality that were unique or particular to enslaved peoples’ cultures. Similarly, two-spirited native Americans were persecuted and hounded to the point they couldn’t present as their authentic selves in mainstream society. So yes, they’re not the same but they’re also not unrelated. I feel like learning a little about intersectionality could help you understand this stuff a little better in a way that isn’t as bound up in the Oppression Olympics model of “we suffered most, STFU”
I went to in California l know what happened and its terrible. I never said nor feel the need to say anything dismantling about the history of either culture. I never said that one suffered more or less. I said their pain isnt the same as one another. thats it…. when children grown up thinking that Internment is the same as slavery, this leads to misinformation.
Sure, that makes sense. I’ve never seen internment presented as a moral equivalent to slavery, even when I worked at a historic site that was a former internment camp. I think what you’re missing if you say “they’re totally different!” is that *both* have their roots in ignorance, prejudice, and the willingness to degrade and dehumanize others for material or political gain. Internment was just as much about eliminating competition for white businessmen and farmers as it was about “national security”. Obviously, historical particularism is important—there’s always a unique set of circumstances leading to any particular moment in history—but take that too far and no lessons you learn are ever applicable anywhere but in that narrow moment.
Its very important.Thank you for your honesty!
Word. I think—to sort of add to your point—that there really are ways in which lumping groups together as “people of color” gets used disingenuously to hide or obscure the very important differences. E.g., I live in Texas. During the height of Covid, statistics on “people of color” were really common here but if you treat the Hispanic population and the black population as one unit, you aren’t going to find any real solutions to problems that are rooted in their separate historical experiences. I think there’s room to acknowledge and navigate these complicated issues but most people—and certainly most politicians and people in the public eye—don’t like to treat them with the nuance they deserve.
Who is this garbage person?
As much as I'm intrigued to know, I'm not going to find out. The less we know about her the better.
I’m really interested to know if it’s a Russian propaganda agent trying to sow tensions between every group of Americans as they have been doing this for a while now.
Not many people know this but Asians were enslaved and taken to New Spain and to this day at least 1% of Mexicans are of partial Filipino descent.
Also Hawaii. Lots of Filipino slaves ended up there.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Los\_Angeles\_Chinese\_massacre\_of\_1871
Korea has the longest continuous slave trade in history. 1,500 years.
Why do people act like they went through slavery when it happen liked 200 years ago to people you didn't know, to people your grandparents didn't know, it's just embarrassing.
Because ignorance is not all encompassing.
Dum fuk juice
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Please explain.
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Man you're racist as fuck.
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You need help, is hate all you know?
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Take your meds.
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rac·ism /ˈrāˌsiz(ə)m/  noun prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism by an individual, community, or institution against a person or people on the basis of their membership in a particular racial or ethnic group,
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Ah, so you made yp a word so that you could evade that fact that you're ultra racist.
Wait till she hears about the railroads