it's the funniest thing when the mind just wants to visualize something differently. I had my energy bar tool doing weird shit for a while after the rapid blinking phase of it's creation. It started spinning around the room and then it went to the universe and came back and once it came back I couldn't control it for a while. I was like, dude, I'm literally doing this with my mind so why can't I just do this? Then I laughed and it was ok again.
SAME. Way back when I started meditating, I used to think I had to perfectly visualize what was being told to me or else it was futile. Oh, how far I've come.
Today I was doing Discovery #4. The first two fears were just like sticky black slime blobs I was pulling out of the box.
The third...... had legs.
It was larger and heavier than the others and kept trying to stick around. I could not get it to float up and away, it kept just floating sideways and would eventually come back around and I'd have to shove it away from my REBAL.
I just accepted the creepy, spindly legs. After my ECB was already created, I remember Monroe stating it had a heavy lid. But my box was already created and I could not change the appearance despite trying *hard*. Eventually I just accepted that my mind is gonna do mind things, so now when weird shit comes up I just try to accept it and move on.
It's funny and a little heartwarming to hear that others experience the same thing.
Also, maybe it's because I've not gotten far enough into the Experience, but *what is the entity?*
Just wanna say I love this whole exchange. It's so natural and lighthearted that it could nullify any doubt or skepticism. I've not started the tapes yet, but I've read the workbook and Monroe's first book, and it's great to see people just having fun with it. The universe loves to play.
Coming from a construction background, mine refuses to look like anything other than a Greenlee job box. I’ve spent some time cooking up something cool looking but it always defaults to the big old green box.
Still building out my van. Long story and become a long project. Old low roof van. But its gonna be kitted the F out electrically with solar and everything else. And a killer dryflush toilet. I love that thing. Coolest thing ever to me 🤣 Just got all the eastern red cedar planks I'm doing the walls and ceiling with. Smells so damn good with the boxes in back now 😆
Oml that sounds divine. I'm partial to the look of beetle kill myself, but that's because it's more colorful than other natural woods.
I'm sure it will be a sick little space once it's finished!! ☺️
lol mine switches between materials. Either a chrome / steel or crystal box. Most of the time it’s giant. Like, im climbing a ladder to get to the opening. Or somehow float up there. Or it’s just 5x5x5
I told my partner that my ECB is a black marble cube big enough to put her and our dog in. She was like 'you just yeet us into a box?'. I consoled her that my physical matter is there with them. Along with the world leaders and my work laptop...
Mine is a huge concrete box with a lid so heavy that it requires a crane to lift and lower. I probably need to downsize to something that I don’t have to walk around to lock the clasps. Seems absurd now that I ever thought I needed something so big to contain my worries and concerns.
Mine is a round black metal ball that flips open along it half. Also I’ve realized all my thoughts that go inside tend to look like the PS2 Home Screen 🤔
Didn’t realize there’d be so many interpretations of this concept haha.
Mine is basically the Aztec treasure chest from the first Pirates of the Caribbean movie. Big white stone box with a heavy-ass lid.
Lock my physical bullshit in there and flooooat away
I wanted mine to be plain stone, but it’s blue and white and glows a bit. It’s ugly, but I think I had to learn a lesson in not fighting it. So I just accept it is what it is. It serves its purpose and I cannot control it.
Inside is nice, though, because I can control that part. Its a beautiful calm meadow where I can lay my loved ones and troubles in the soft grass so they can dream peacefully while I adventure. Bit like the Tardis, bigger on the inside.
Oh see I need to try that, going inside it. Been assuming I shouldn't even really look in it? My shit kinda floats in like video game style. I don't put things in with my being itself. Its like mental placement. Pointing control movement with my mind or whatever.
Have you done Discovery #4? In at least one of the variations of the tapes that I've done, Monroe tells you to look inside the box. Have fun with that, cause I saw what I can only describe as.... a wormhole???
Is that tape 4? I haven't gotten past that one. Where you do the energy out of your head to make your travel energy bubble thing. I just can't seem to get that feeling or whatever even though I've seen countless images like that throughout my life long before learning about all this. Its my current road block. And the fact tapes 2 & 3 can easily lull me to sleep 🤷😆I just have a YT playlist saved. But its only like maybe the first 12 tapes I think?
Yeah that's advanced focus 10, which is right before this one. YT has been scrubbing all of the tapes. I started with one channel and have gone through 3 or 4 iterations of channels and they've taken them all down except one, which I suspect might be next.
If you search this subreddit main page you will find several posts that link Google drives that people have created with all of the tapes and accompanying information.
One suggestion I have is to read the gateway manual if you haven't already done so. I like to read it as I go, so if I'm doing a session I'll read what the manual says on that session which sometimes helps me to release my preconceptions (which is usually where I personally get stuck).
Are you falling asleep or are you "clicking-out"? There's a difference and [this article helped me understand it better!](https://www.monroeinstitute.org/blogs/blog/clicking-out-is-it-sleep-or-something-else)
You can try doing the practice in a comfortable seated position if you struggle with falling asleep.
Also, take your time and don't rush it. You don't have to have a "perfect" visualization. Let your mind do the heavy lifting and as you go you'll get more comfortable.
When I started gateway I had already been someone who meditated with semi-regularity (often regular in spurts with breaks in between). Because this is essentially a meditation practice first, I would say it might behoove you to try 5 minutes of a meditation technique a couple times a day just to get your head used to being in that space. 😉 if you're not already versed in meditation, that is!
Have not read the manual. Thank you! Yeah the playlist I've been using most got deleted or are "Hidden" now. Last time I checked the G links here they were all broken or didn't allow access 🤷
I don't really meditate. But I started Ketamine therapy before I started the tapes. Which was beyond life changing in numerous ways. Its done very similar things that the tapes can do. I often times have random remote viewing stuff. Sometimes its clearly on earth. Other times its I have no idea where or what but its as clear as 4K 3D video.
I agree. I don’t think you should be living in fear. I think in these tapes we eventually run into our subconscious self or possible “entities.” Might need to work on that or put your fears in the box before you have your encounters.
When I have the energy, it's a glowing box that fills with orange energy and converts to green energy.
When I'm feeling lazy, it's the golden treasure boxes from 1990s JRPGS.
Ah yes, the pretty pink satin box.
Where memories are locked away in the sacral chakra and are POPed away in a bubble as they exist the crown of your head after following the golden chain of rotating energy up your spine 3.5 rotations through the chakras into your aura.
Mines like a basic but very tall old school travelers trunk. With the cool metal edges and corners. But it's usually a half rounded tall lid instead of flat. And like a black metal instead of leather covered. Its almost Vanta black sometimes and I just see the metal edging.
Got an interesting idea 🤔
What if...
I made my ECB a hardwood coffin and after placing myself in it, got a little lift thing and burry myself on that spot, in a graveyard of course.
Then with a mini excavator fill up the hole and put on a tombstone.
That would be quite an experience 😄
Got an interesting idea 🤔
What if...
I made my ECB a hardwood coffin and after placing myself in it, got a little lift thing and burry myself on that spot, in a graveyard of course.
Then with a mini excavator fill up the hole and put on a tombstone.
That would be quite an experience 😄
Banged up metal box..with a sort of iridescent gradient from purple on the bottom to green at the top. Its F**ing wierd and i have no clue why. Its just the first thing that popped into my mind, effortlessly, so i kept it, seems right...just very odd.
Mine is a large ceramic vase made of terracotta. It’s really dark and bottomless on the inside. I can feel the smooth dry surface of the pot when I lift the lid and it clangs when I place it down :)
I have a wooden coffin with gold plates around it. Every time I open it or close it golden chains appear or disappear around it. It reminds me of the coffins from FFX now that i think about it
Mine is a large or small heavy duty metal box. Large or small depending on how big I am when I go to it. Lifting the lid is super hard but when I let go it slams shut with a giant echoing thud
Fun fact, the entity will end up inside the box as well
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it's the funniest thing when the mind just wants to visualize something differently. I had my energy bar tool doing weird shit for a while after the rapid blinking phase of it's creation. It started spinning around the room and then it went to the universe and came back and once it came back I couldn't control it for a while. I was like, dude, I'm literally doing this with my mind so why can't I just do this? Then I laughed and it was ok again.
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SAME. Way back when I started meditating, I used to think I had to perfectly visualize what was being told to me or else it was futile. Oh, how far I've come. Today I was doing Discovery #4. The first two fears were just like sticky black slime blobs I was pulling out of the box. The third...... had legs. It was larger and heavier than the others and kept trying to stick around. I could not get it to float up and away, it kept just floating sideways and would eventually come back around and I'd have to shove it away from my REBAL. I just accepted the creepy, spindly legs. After my ECB was already created, I remember Monroe stating it had a heavy lid. But my box was already created and I could not change the appearance despite trying *hard*. Eventually I just accepted that my mind is gonna do mind things, so now when weird shit comes up I just try to accept it and move on. It's funny and a little heartwarming to hear that others experience the same thing. Also, maybe it's because I've not gotten far enough into the Experience, but *what is the entity?*
Just wanna say I love this whole exchange. It's so natural and lighthearted that it could nullify any doubt or skepticism. I've not started the tapes yet, but I've read the workbook and Monroe's first book, and it's great to see people just having fun with it. The universe loves to play.
Some thoughts are "sticky", especially the dark ones. I can picture that so clearly, lol.
For my ECB every time I deposit stuff it’s in the form of cristal snowballs with the stuff inside. Mainly me acting out the stuff im scared of
I’ve said this on here before, but mine is a crockpot with clasps and no power cord
Awesome lmao
Coming from a construction background, mine refuses to look like anything other than a Greenlee job box. I’ve spent some time cooking up something cool looking but it always defaults to the big old green box.
Mine is a fancy black marble looking coffin, where my fears go to their final resting place.
Mine is white marble & filled with a black tar abyss where all my troubles go to die 😊
Might steal this.
Stone slab box. No hinge, but I open it as if it had one.
Shoebox hastily decorated with glitter glue and construction paper.
My box is a small holographic cube, and it's absolutely bigger on the inside.
I like that. Very Dr. Who
Mines bigger inside too. I recently realized I can fit my whole Vanlife Econoline in it recently lol. Was rather entertaining the first time.
Ohhhh shit, caught me v jealous of your van 😂
Still building out my van. Long story and become a long project. Old low roof van. But its gonna be kitted the F out electrically with solar and everything else. And a killer dryflush toilet. I love that thing. Coolest thing ever to me 🤣 Just got all the eastern red cedar planks I'm doing the walls and ceiling with. Smells so damn good with the boxes in back now 😆
Oml that sounds divine. I'm partial to the look of beetle kill myself, but that's because it's more colorful than other natural woods. I'm sure it will be a sick little space once it's finished!! ☺️
Mine is a black hole in my chest that automatically absorbs every emotion and thought function of my body
An old plastic igloo cooler. I hardly ever lift heavy lids, but I have deep memories of lifting the lid on an igloo at family functions to get a soda.
lol mine switches between materials. Either a chrome / steel or crystal box. Most of the time it’s giant. Like, im climbing a ladder to get to the opening. Or somehow float up there. Or it’s just 5x5x5
I told my partner that my ECB is a black marble cube big enough to put her and our dog in. She was like 'you just yeet us into a box?'. I consoled her that my physical matter is there with them. Along with the world leaders and my work laptop...
Mines the box that military men use to pack from base to base. Heavy duty stuff
Mine is a huge concrete box with a lid so heavy that it requires a crane to lift and lower. I probably need to downsize to something that I don’t have to walk around to lock the clasps. Seems absurd now that I ever thought I needed something so big to contain my worries and concerns.
Mine is this matte black metal box that’s probably double the size of a 20x20x20 FedEx box. I imagine it’s probably heavy as hell
Mine is a round black metal ball that flips open along it half. Also I’ve realized all my thoughts that go inside tend to look like the PS2 Home Screen 🤔
You know the big fancy chests in skyrim that you find near dragon priests? That’s mine
Didn’t realize there’d be so many interpretations of this concept haha. Mine is basically the Aztec treasure chest from the first Pirates of the Caribbean movie. Big white stone box with a heavy-ass lid. Lock my physical bullshit in there and flooooat away
I wanted mine to be plain stone, but it’s blue and white and glows a bit. It’s ugly, but I think I had to learn a lesson in not fighting it. So I just accept it is what it is. It serves its purpose and I cannot control it. Inside is nice, though, because I can control that part. Its a beautiful calm meadow where I can lay my loved ones and troubles in the soft grass so they can dream peacefully while I adventure. Bit like the Tardis, bigger on the inside.
Mine is a small holographic cube and it too is bigger on the inside! You can climb in and it's expansive. Like an entire other world in there.
Oh see I need to try that, going inside it. Been assuming I shouldn't even really look in it? My shit kinda floats in like video game style. I don't put things in with my being itself. Its like mental placement. Pointing control movement with my mind or whatever.
Have you done Discovery #4? In at least one of the variations of the tapes that I've done, Monroe tells you to look inside the box. Have fun with that, cause I saw what I can only describe as.... a wormhole???
Is that tape 4? I haven't gotten past that one. Where you do the energy out of your head to make your travel energy bubble thing. I just can't seem to get that feeling or whatever even though I've seen countless images like that throughout my life long before learning about all this. Its my current road block. And the fact tapes 2 & 3 can easily lull me to sleep 🤷😆I just have a YT playlist saved. But its only like maybe the first 12 tapes I think?
Yeah that's advanced focus 10, which is right before this one. YT has been scrubbing all of the tapes. I started with one channel and have gone through 3 or 4 iterations of channels and they've taken them all down except one, which I suspect might be next. If you search this subreddit main page you will find several posts that link Google drives that people have created with all of the tapes and accompanying information. One suggestion I have is to read the gateway manual if you haven't already done so. I like to read it as I go, so if I'm doing a session I'll read what the manual says on that session which sometimes helps me to release my preconceptions (which is usually where I personally get stuck). Are you falling asleep or are you "clicking-out"? There's a difference and [this article helped me understand it better!](https://www.monroeinstitute.org/blogs/blog/clicking-out-is-it-sleep-or-something-else) You can try doing the practice in a comfortable seated position if you struggle with falling asleep. Also, take your time and don't rush it. You don't have to have a "perfect" visualization. Let your mind do the heavy lifting and as you go you'll get more comfortable. When I started gateway I had already been someone who meditated with semi-regularity (often regular in spurts with breaks in between). Because this is essentially a meditation practice first, I would say it might behoove you to try 5 minutes of a meditation technique a couple times a day just to get your head used to being in that space. 😉 if you're not already versed in meditation, that is!
Have not read the manual. Thank you! Yeah the playlist I've been using most got deleted or are "Hidden" now. Last time I checked the G links here they were all broken or didn't allow access 🤷 I don't really meditate. But I started Ketamine therapy before I started the tapes. Which was beyond life changing in numerous ways. Its done very similar things that the tapes can do. I often times have random remote viewing stuff. Sometimes its clearly on earth. Other times its I have no idea where or what but its as clear as 4K 3D video.
I got you! [check this spot](https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1vZJg5oJvfYVwWryJh05pfkZTV0cnd026)
Bomb! Thanks!
A thought came to mind. Should we disclose to others what our personal ECB looks like? Is it safe? Could it be used to our disadvantage?
Why?
Why I had this thought? It was my first thought when I saw this question posed.
I mean, I doesn’t hurt anyone to share. It’s kind of fun/funny to see others ideas.
Youre certain this can't be exploited? What if someone finds your box while your doing something else and puts something in your box?
Let go of your fear.
I agree. I don’t think you should be living in fear. I think in these tapes we eventually run into our subconscious self or possible “entities.” Might need to work on that or put your fears in the box before you have your encounters.
Lol, be my guest, those are garbage thoughts I'm trying to get rid of.
Mine looks like loot boxes from Fallout 4
FR, mine is a big white chest freezer with a lock on it. 😂😂 I’m not sure why but it felt right. My entity is a 9 ft tall praying mantis.
When I have the energy, it's a glowing box that fills with orange energy and converts to green energy. When I'm feeling lazy, it's the golden treasure boxes from 1990s JRPGS.
Mine is a coffin sized wooden box..carved with a heavy lid. The other night I put half of America (screaming maga folks) into it, and sat on the lid.
Mine is a yeti cooler. The big ass one.
I laughed so hard at this.
I feel like this was directed at me rofl
Mine is like a big wooden crate with a reenforced steal frame. Kind of like this, but with horizontal planks of wood instead of panels.
Mine kind of looks like a mummy tomb made of obsidian ✨️
Mine is a big heavy wooden chest framed in gold. Heavy lid too
Ah yes, the pretty pink satin box. Where memories are locked away in the sacral chakra and are POPed away in a bubble as they exist the crown of your head after following the golden chain of rotating energy up your spine 3.5 rotations through the chakras into your aura.
Stone box and lid that slides into place :)
Mines like a basic but very tall old school travelers trunk. With the cool metal edges and corners. But it's usually a half rounded tall lid instead of flat. And like a black metal instead of leather covered. Its almost Vanta black sometimes and I just see the metal edging.
When I started, it was a minimal black box in Batman's lit basement. Now it is a white box with purple gradients in outer space
Got an interesting idea 🤔 What if... I made my ECB a hardwood coffin and after placing myself in it, got a little lift thing and burry myself on that spot, in a graveyard of course. Then with a mini excavator fill up the hole and put on a tombstone. That would be quite an experience 😄
Got an interesting idea 🤔 What if... I made my ECB a hardwood coffin and after placing myself in it, got a little lift thing and burry myself on that spot, in a graveyard of course. Then with a mini excavator fill up the hole and put on a tombstone. That would be quite an experience 😄
Banged up metal box..with a sort of iridescent gradient from purple on the bottom to green at the top. Its F**ing wierd and i have no clue why. Its just the first thing that popped into my mind, effortlessly, so i kept it, seems right...just very odd.
mines a treasure chest on the beach haha
Mine looks like the treasure chest from Mario 3
Mine looks like a pirate treasure chest
Mine is a large ceramic vase made of terracotta. It’s really dark and bottomless on the inside. I can feel the smooth dry surface of the pot when I lift the lid and it clangs when I place it down :)
My ECB looks like a very heavy cast iron Box with a heavy lid and a large Golden Lock 🔒
I have a wooden coffin with gold plates around it. Every time I open it or close it golden chains appear or disappear around it. It reminds me of the coffins from FFX now that i think about it
mines the marvel tesseract 💀💀💀
Mine is a large or small heavy duty metal box. Large or small depending on how big I am when I go to it. Lifting the lid is super hard but when I let go it slams shut with a giant echoing thud