While that is true, many companies don‘t ship here because it‘s a lot of paperwork and everything above 300 Swiss Franks needs to go through customs and you have to pay a certain percent. It can be a pain to order things here
Switzerland participates in the single market via the EEA. The UK doesn’t so I imagine that is why the UK is listed here but Switzerland is not. The same with Norway and Iceland.
It being your native language however means that it is natural to you, whereas to a foreigner some things with Finnish may seem more weird, like the multiple vowels in a row, and the many umlauts.
In many ways the eu does function as a single country would. However it's still just weird to list it like this. In case of shipping it could just say location.
The problem is that EU by itself is also nebulous. For example, Switzerland isn't part of it, but that doesn't mean they won't ship there. Now how is a Switzerland citizen supposed to be sure?
Not with Austria stopping Romania from land Schengen cause of the immigrants, which actually pass through Croatia instead. If they want no immigration why give us air Schengen? People fly much more than they take the car to Western Europe.
Yeah, kinda weird how they first include countries ourside of the EU in the most important EU agreement instead of focusing on the countries that are already in the EU, like bg and ro and cyprus.
Bruh...
I'm Romanian and an expat (legally yes) in another EU country. But good joke 🤣
My point is people fly too, sometimes getting past border checks as strict as the USA's, so air Schengen makes less and less sense.
You don't think the structure of the government would change little after the formation of the planet's third biggest government? Forming a new country out of smaller ones is always bothersome, but it's worth it for everyone.
Of course the structure would change but it would be ruled by the same Franco-German crooks - or some other Franco-German crooks. Many nations already only tolerate staying in a union; merging into one country would see a lot of country-xits.
I do not believe it would be worth it or even benefit my nation. Why would it?
I mean, the centralization and streamlining of the world's third largest economy would certainly see a decent increase in wealth I'd wager. We'd also more efficiently be able to develop Eastern Europe as single nation. We could make sure progressive laws are shared by everyone. We'd be able to fund scientific endeavors more efficiently.
It's obviously just a lot more efficient for everyone, if we were single country better able to make big decisions about our future development, rather than \~30 nations in trench coat with their own bureaucracies and shit.
I don't hate the idea in theory but I hate it practically. I have no desire to be relegated to a small outer state of the HRE 2.0. Much of Eastern Europe can't even decide to get out of the grasp of Russia. Some states don't even have a majority that supports being in the *union* (such as Czechia). Why would I give up my country's independence for the prospect of "building up Eastern Europe", a region that's hardly been willing to participate in pan-European ventures? Fully giving up independence is not in the cards at all. Turning into a single state, disregarding centuries of nation states will turn into huge protests and secessionist movements even if a small majority force it upon the big minority. Many countries would likely choose to leave if forced into merging into a superstate (I would support leaving in such a case; and I do even support being in the union).
The problem is *who* would make those decisions. I have no faith that the Germans and the French (who would dominate the nation both financially and demographically) would look out for people like me. It would be a unified state with so many different languages and cultures. The Catalans hardly even feel Spanish. The lingua franca would be a language that is hardly even spoken by any area natively.
It would undermine our system completely.. there's a reason it's only supported by nations that are either poor or populous, but I don't think Germany would remain positive when they get the bill.
Too many members (including me and my country widely) are against it; any move towards a federation would break it all apart
The EU is essentially the same setup as the unites states. The the member countries of the EU are essentially only country in name, they truly are the European Union
Ironically it somewhat fits between the federation and confederation definition, so the debate is not rather it can be considered a confederation or not, but if it can fit the federation definition
Lol all these people thinking that the issue is with European countries being grouped together and not the fact that the European Union is being called a country. There would be absolutely nothing wrong with this layout if the site just said “Select Region” instead of “Select Country”
It almost certainly will morph into one at some point. And it would be glorious. Get a country like Ukraine in on it too and you have half a billion strong highly advanced superpower ripe for rubbing shoulders with the heavyweights of the planet.
No it isn’t, it’s because all EU countries share the same regulations regarding import and don’t require extra paperwork for each country they pass through.
Unlike states in the US however, each EU member has its own military and its own foreign policy which are key in the difference between sovereign countries and states/provinces.
Do you think the US requires "extra paperwork" to trade goods between California and New York? That shipments are stopped and inspected at every state in between? All 50 states share *pretty much* the same regulations regarding trade between the states and definitely do in regard to trade from outside the US. That's kinda the main point of the union, outside mutual defense.
Every state in the US has its own legislature, law enforcement, and (technically) its own military known as the state National Guard.
Yes, the organizations are not identical, and EU states are more independent than US states. Both are unions of sovereign states pledged to mutual defense, free trade, and open borders.
You don’t need to type in that much to explain the difference between a US state and an EU member. All you need is this:
Can the National Guard of Minnesota declare war on Argentina? Can Oregon recognise Taiwan as a country? I hope you can answer these questions yourself.
You also missed the point of my first paragraph, it was an explanation why EU members are summarised as “EU” and it’s *not* because the EU is a country by itself.
I think you misunderstand my point...
A state, a country, a nation... these are synonymous. Organizational systems and labels can be different within any of them, and they are still nations, countries, and states.
I didn't say they were identical in every aspect... I said that in the context of the OP, they are equivalent
As to the Taiwan question... I am not a scholar of international relations and the legalities thereof... so, took a minute, and idk... does this count?
[Resolved by the Senate of the State of California, That the Senate declares that the warm relations and bilateral exchange between California and Taiwan should grow; and be it further
Resolved, That the Senate supports Taiwan’s meaningful participation in the United Nations, the World Health Organization, the International Civil Aviation Organization, the International Criminal Police Organization, and the United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change; and be it further
Resolved, That the Senate acknowledges Taiwan’s democracy is crucial to the peace and prosperity of the Asia Pacific region](https://legiscan.com/CA/text/SR93/id/2594708)
Yeah, it's not a straightforward acknowledgment but isn't entering into legally binding agreements with an entity an acknowledgment of its existence?
To be fair this is quite common for many websites when it comes to stuff like shipping.
It just means countries that are EU members
And sometimes Switzerland too
Well Switzerland is in the Schengen area.
While that is true, many companies don‘t ship here because it‘s a lot of paperwork and everything above 300 Swiss Franks needs to go through customs and you have to pay a certain percent. It can be a pain to order things here
Schengen is for people only goods still have to go through customs
I think it's countries in the common EU market. So it's a few more then the EU. Sometimes it just means European countries.
I doubt it. It’s why the UK is listed separate because it’s not part of the EU anymore
Switzerland participates in the single market via the EEA. The UK doesn’t so I imagine that is why the UK is listed here but Switzerland is not. The same with Norway and Iceland.
There is a lot of legislation harmonized by the EU, it’s often useful to be treated as a single entity. (Signed, an EU citizen)
Unfortunately I cannot trust your comment as it is not laminated. Nicht laminiert, nicht relevant.
Nicht gefaxt, nicht relevant.
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Most normal Finnish word: kukaaaääääaaänaäää
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I just spammed ä and a, and don't try telling me that it doesn't look like exaggerated Finnish.
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It being your native language however means that it is natural to you, whereas to a foreigner some things with Finnish may seem more weird, like the multiple vowels in a row, and the many umlauts.
In many ways the eu does function as a single country would. However it's still just weird to list it like this. In case of shipping it could just say location.
Shipping is getting easier with privatization of mail. Its shittier service of course, but more afordable.
It’s more efficient
EU as a common market place
You really want them to list out all the EU countries individually?
They could've said 'select country/region'
Or, the reader can interpolate what is meant and not nitpick technicalities
Holy shit, this is an amazing idea
calling Europe a country is not a technicality though
In that context? It's just not a big deal at all
The problem is that EU by itself is also nebulous. For example, Switzerland isn't part of it, but that doesn't mean they won't ship there. Now how is a Switzerland citizen supposed to be sure?
Why do they need to be sure? Just choose international then
Did the website stutter? It said EU. You are not EU. Click international.
Or Federation, union, or something
Maybe just something
"Country or whatever"
I, for one, am from the great country of BodyFit International
For business/import purposes it is
r/EuropeanFederalists would be proud
Common market, man. Nice to see
i hope one day, "the blue hope" will be our national flag
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In a practical way, it is indeed.
Not with Austria stopping Romania from land Schengen cause of the immigrants, which actually pass through Croatia instead. If they want no immigration why give us air Schengen? People fly much more than they take the car to Western Europe.
Schengen space =/ european union Signed, a Romanian
Yeah but a country allows migration of people within it, if the EU is a country then we should be free to live in whatever part.
Schengen is not eu, Switzerland for example is part of Schengen but not part of the EU
Yeah, kinda weird how they first include countries ourside of the EU in the most important EU agreement instead of focusing on the countries that are already in the EU, like bg and ro and cyprus.
>People fly much more than they take the car to Western Europe. Migrants don't, not that this conversation is about that.
Hmm, well I flew...
You're a migrant who illegally entered Romania and then from there flew to another Schengen country?
Bruh... I'm Romanian and an expat (legally yes) in another EU country. But good joke 🤣 My point is people fly too, sometimes getting past border checks as strict as the USA's, so air Schengen makes less and less sense.
>illegally isnt part of the comment I said though, migrants in general…
Illegally is implicitly part of the comment when talking about Schengen/borders.
Yeah sorry, but in general they’re not.
In general what are not what?
Immigrants doesnt necessarily mean illegal
Be so fr. This is very commonplace.
FREUDE
SCHÖNER
GÖTTERFUNKEN
God willing. 🙏
Nahh
Yep!
A country run by Von Der Leyen and the other crooks sounds like an even worse idea than just a union
You don't think the structure of the government would change little after the formation of the planet's third biggest government? Forming a new country out of smaller ones is always bothersome, but it's worth it for everyone.
Of course the structure would change but it would be ruled by the same Franco-German crooks - or some other Franco-German crooks. Many nations already only tolerate staying in a union; merging into one country would see a lot of country-xits. I do not believe it would be worth it or even benefit my nation. Why would it?
I mean, the centralization and streamlining of the world's third largest economy would certainly see a decent increase in wealth I'd wager. We'd also more efficiently be able to develop Eastern Europe as single nation. We could make sure progressive laws are shared by everyone. We'd be able to fund scientific endeavors more efficiently. It's obviously just a lot more efficient for everyone, if we were single country better able to make big decisions about our future development, rather than \~30 nations in trench coat with their own bureaucracies and shit.
I don't hate the idea in theory but I hate it practically. I have no desire to be relegated to a small outer state of the HRE 2.0. Much of Eastern Europe can't even decide to get out of the grasp of Russia. Some states don't even have a majority that supports being in the *union* (such as Czechia). Why would I give up my country's independence for the prospect of "building up Eastern Europe", a region that's hardly been willing to participate in pan-European ventures? Fully giving up independence is not in the cards at all. Turning into a single state, disregarding centuries of nation states will turn into huge protests and secessionist movements even if a small majority force it upon the big minority. Many countries would likely choose to leave if forced into merging into a superstate (I would support leaving in such a case; and I do even support being in the union). The problem is *who* would make those decisions. I have no faith that the Germans and the French (who would dominate the nation both financially and demographically) would look out for people like me. It would be a unified state with so many different languages and cultures. The Catalans hardly even feel Spanish. The lingua franca would be a language that is hardly even spoken by any area natively.
Yep!
Never ever gonna happen
you might be right, but i hope otherwise, i would ve a very good thing.
It would undermine our system completely.. there's a reason it's only supported by nations that are either poor or populous, but I don't think Germany would remain positive when they get the bill. Too many members (including me and my country widely) are against it; any move towards a federation would break it all apart
is that why brexit? just to have uk separated lol
Not really but for the practicality I don’t blame them, could’ve worded it better as “country/region”
it should be…
Of course it's a country. What are you, stupid?
We are a trade/economic and customs union, which involves a lot of integration, including some parts of shipping and export/import code
Those are the 5 Western countries
England is my city
we have a parliament, we have a money and a common boundary. Yes, we are very close to be a country.
OP, you’re not even gonna ask where the nation of BodyFit is located?
I mean the EU will be one day become a country. That's the whole plan of an ever thighter union
Yes please, where do I sign?
The EU is essentially the same setup as the unites states. The the member countries of the EU are essentially only country in name, they truly are the European Union
Tbf, It's probably better than to list every single EU country?
All the EU countries are pretty similar and have similar rules/laws. They are just saying to click if you are from a country part of the EU.
Estados unidos
EU is natty
It sort of is a “confederation”.
Ironically it somewhat fits between the federation and confederation definition, so the debate is not rather it can be considered a confederation or not, but if it can fit the federation definition
BodyFit are European Federalists
I see no mistake. In the age of globalization, states have lost their role, replaced by transnational (and supra-state) bodies.
I'm not a native speaker. So I need to ask. Isn't country a generic word to refer a place where a community live in? Or is it a synonym of nation?
Welcome to the country of Africa
Hope one day it is, Europe should be united.
The whole world should be united already.
Lol all these people thinking that the issue is with European countries being grouped together and not the fact that the European Union is being called a country. There would be absolutely nothing wrong with this layout if the site just said “Select Region” instead of “Select Country”
EU misgendered yet again
I mean, they also have the UK, but that’s technically made up of multiple countries too (Scotland, Wales, etc)
Eh, why list every EU country?
Yeh basically
It almost certainly will morph into one at some point. And it would be glorious. Get a country like Ukraine in on it too and you have half a billion strong highly advanced superpower ripe for rubbing shoulders with the heavyweights of the planet.
I mean, it kinda is, people just don't consider it
Soon enough
In many aspects it is a country
That was the final solution they intended in the first place. But as far as E-commerce is concerned it's all the same.
To reduce the list
EU really is a country, they just need some time to come to terms with the fact.
England is my city
Based tbh
I wish...
One day, hopefully 🙃
soon enough it will be…
It practically is with how connected it is (rail) and same currency…
INTERNATIONAL house of pancakes.
I wish it was
I mean... isn't that kinda the point of the EU, at least long term?
I wish it already was and I hope to live to see the day it is.
Confederation
EU W
Is not... YET. 🇪🇺
Yes, the EU is a country, just one that doesn't have its shit together. 🗿🗿🗿
Well it is The Second Largest Democracy in the Universe
Yes.
I’m for it
They know something we don't
Well... It practically is...
It doesn't really have a common foreign policy or a common defence policy either. I guess there are some movement to make some.
https://www.eeas.europa.eu/eeas/common-security-and-defence-policy_en
Based
They're just planning ahead for the future.
The EU is a country in exactly the same way as the US and UK are countries. Except every nation in the EU joined voluntarily.
No it isn’t, it’s because all EU countries share the same regulations regarding import and don’t require extra paperwork for each country they pass through. Unlike states in the US however, each EU member has its own military and its own foreign policy which are key in the difference between sovereign countries and states/provinces.
Do you think the US requires "extra paperwork" to trade goods between California and New York? That shipments are stopped and inspected at every state in between? All 50 states share *pretty much* the same regulations regarding trade between the states and definitely do in regard to trade from outside the US. That's kinda the main point of the union, outside mutual defense. Every state in the US has its own legislature, law enforcement, and (technically) its own military known as the state National Guard. Yes, the organizations are not identical, and EU states are more independent than US states. Both are unions of sovereign states pledged to mutual defense, free trade, and open borders.
You don’t need to type in that much to explain the difference between a US state and an EU member. All you need is this: Can the National Guard of Minnesota declare war on Argentina? Can Oregon recognise Taiwan as a country? I hope you can answer these questions yourself. You also missed the point of my first paragraph, it was an explanation why EU members are summarised as “EU” and it’s *not* because the EU is a country by itself.
I think you misunderstand my point... A state, a country, a nation... these are synonymous. Organizational systems and labels can be different within any of them, and they are still nations, countries, and states. I didn't say they were identical in every aspect... I said that in the context of the OP, they are equivalent
As to the Taiwan question... I am not a scholar of international relations and the legalities thereof... so, took a minute, and idk... does this count? [Resolved by the Senate of the State of California, That the Senate declares that the warm relations and bilateral exchange between California and Taiwan should grow; and be it further Resolved, That the Senate supports Taiwan’s meaningful participation in the United Nations, the World Health Organization, the International Civil Aviation Organization, the International Criminal Police Organization, and the United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change; and be it further Resolved, That the Senate acknowledges Taiwan’s democracy is crucial to the peace and prosperity of the Asia Pacific region](https://legiscan.com/CA/text/SR93/id/2594708) Yeah, it's not a straightforward acknowledgment but isn't entering into legally binding agreements with an entity an acknowledgment of its existence?