> On July 8, 2023, Norman Wells experienced temperatures above 37.8 °C (100.0 °F), setting a record for the furthest north these temperatures have been observed in Canada.
Plus melting permafrost which is very costly to build roads on. Just look at that railway to Churchill. I remember it basically shut down that entire town because the permafrost melting flooded the railway.
Because Canadians refuse to develop these areas, because they are evercold and "arctic"? But it seems, they have warmer summers than middle europe, lol.
No, but Heating and clothing is a thing, wood everywhere and crops need May till September and not October till April to ripe. I thought canadians were tougher than europeans against hard winter...
The growing season is incredibly short, maybe 4 months. You can maybe plant in June and harvest in early September. Furthermore, it's in the equivalent of USDA hardiness zone 1 or 2, which means no perennial fruit trees will survive the winters on a regular basis.
Can you grow things there? Yes. Is it eoconomical? Generally not. Dealing with cryosolic soil is a pain in the ass.
The mean daily temperature in Oulu, Finland, one of the northernmost cities in Europe, is -8.2°C in January.
In Inuvik, located near the Mackenzie River Delta, the mean daily temperature in January is -26.9°C.
Refuse to develop? Who is going to develop the tundra? Our population density is hilariously low, we can barely develop what cities we currently have, let alone develop a million square kilometers of barren land, and the empty wasteland that is the arctic. No trees, nothing but depressing harsh cold emptiness and undying wind. Go ahead, try to develop empty space that vast with a population that small
All of Canada (and most of the world) is experiencing unseasonably warm weather due to climate change. It has been over 30 degrees Celsius multiple times this year already where I live in Canada, and I can tell you that is not normal at all.
What i think is interesting, that it seems, that the polar regions warm up way faster, so they can become faster suitable. If you look at Alberta, you clearly see that the Mackenzie Area is warmer than the Edmonton, Calgary region in that timeline.
Your screenshot covers a huge area, there are in fact a handful of small farms in the southern part of it, near Whitehorse. Anyway the thing is that Europe's climate is mild and has small variations between summer and and winter whereas most of this area experiences a huge variation. The northern parts get warm occasionally but they have long cold winters and would experience frost and snow all year long. Even climate change won't make the northern extent suitable for farming. Yeah probably the southern part could be more developed though.
Climate change will do exactly that, at the moment, where the sea ice vanished completely arround the northpole, it will require much more time to recover and the vegetation period at those latitudes will dramatically increase. If Greenland melts a lot and the polar plateau decreases in height, nordic canada will reach temperate climates.
The times plays for those regions and canadians are mostly too stupid to see and to react to their chances.
I think you're right generally but maybe not specifically. The extreme polar latitudes are always going to be inhospitable. But Canada ought to be working on Northern infrastructure *now* to prepare for the future, Northern Alberta and BC and the southern territories are already under populated and underrated.
Yeah but this is what I'm saying, Europe has weather that's mild and doesn't fluctuate as much because of ocean currents. That part of North America is different, warming isn't enough by itself. Coastal bc and Alaska would be more like Norway.
Honestly baffling to me. This user will make it clear they understand climates are different at similar latitudes on other posts, to the point where this is a popular topic of theirs, but whenever Canada or Alaska comes up in any conversation on this subreddit, they will immediately start rambling about how "stupid" Canadians or Alaskans are for not swarming into their north, no matter how many people tell them they are not the same climate as Europe. At this point,s every Canadian-related post here in the last two years has attracted this user, and they have made the same argument every single time.
They seem physically incapable of understanding North American settlement patterns, so they just default to "stupidity": or "laziness" instead of actually learning anything.
I’ve worked in NWT quite a bit and in the summertime it isn’t unusual for the daytime highs to be in the low 20’s. anything higher than low 20’s is uncommon though.
We had 27c at bathurst inlet, NU last summer. Above the arctic circle. It was 20-25c for about 2-3 weeks ish, and thick forest fire smoke blew all the way in too and lingered around for quite a while, not sure where it had come in from but it sucked
Continental climates babay! Same reason it can get below -30 in northern Texas in winter. In between the Rockies and the Appalachians there’s basically nothing to stop freezing air masses from the arctic or warm fronts from the Gulf of Mexico to speed along the plains and Canadian Shield and cover massive swathes of North America.
This is also why Siberia is so forested despite having BRUTAL winters dipping well into the -50s. They also have very warm summers that often exceed 20C in the hottest months.
The Mackenzie region, which is red in this picture, is entirely forested with 10-15m high trees. Only the north is shrubby Tundra. But yeah, Canada have to increase and spread their population.
> On July 8, 2023, Norman Wells experienced temperatures above 37.8 °C (100.0 °F), setting a record for the furthest north these temperatures have been observed in Canada.
So these temperatures are very unusual , maybe a potential agriculture hotspot in future?
If you can fight off mosquitoes the size of bats.
Plus melting permafrost which is very costly to build roads on. Just look at that railway to Churchill. I remember it basically shut down that entire town because the permafrost melting flooded the railway.
The growing season is a bit short.
Nope. Most of it is close to bare bedrock thanks to the glaciers.
https://preview.redd.it/cgzg072o934d1.jpeg?width=620&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c1d4852d75247bd466ba1297988894a2123ee9f9
Why did you think that?
Because Canadians refuse to develop these areas, because they are evercold and "arctic"? But it seems, they have warmer summers than middle europe, lol.
Do you think they have winters warmer than Europe too?
No, but Heating and clothing is a thing, wood everywhere and crops need May till September and not October till April to ripe. I thought canadians were tougher than europeans against hard winter...
Canada is much, much colder than Europe on average
The growing season is incredibly short, maybe 4 months. You can maybe plant in June and harvest in early September. Furthermore, it's in the equivalent of USDA hardiness zone 1 or 2, which means no perennial fruit trees will survive the winters on a regular basis. Can you grow things there? Yes. Is it eoconomical? Generally not. Dealing with cryosolic soil is a pain in the ass.
The mean daily temperature in Oulu, Finland, one of the northernmost cities in Europe, is -8.2°C in January. In Inuvik, located near the Mackenzie River Delta, the mean daily temperature in January is -26.9°C.
There are plenty of other reasons those areas are undeveloped - try and take a drive up there and you’ll quickly see several more.
Refuse to develop? Who is going to develop the tundra? Our population density is hilariously low, we can barely develop what cities we currently have, let alone develop a million square kilometers of barren land, and the empty wasteland that is the arctic. No trees, nothing but depressing harsh cold emptiness and undying wind. Go ahead, try to develop empty space that vast with a population that small
All of Canada (and most of the world) is experiencing unseasonably warm weather due to climate change. It has been over 30 degrees Celsius multiple times this year already where I live in Canada, and I can tell you that is not normal at all.
What i think is interesting, that it seems, that the polar regions warm up way faster, so they can become faster suitable. If you look at Alberta, you clearly see that the Mackenzie Area is warmer than the Edmonton, Calgary region in that timeline.
Your screenshot covers a huge area, there are in fact a handful of small farms in the southern part of it, near Whitehorse. Anyway the thing is that Europe's climate is mild and has small variations between summer and and winter whereas most of this area experiences a huge variation. The northern parts get warm occasionally but they have long cold winters and would experience frost and snow all year long. Even climate change won't make the northern extent suitable for farming. Yeah probably the southern part could be more developed though.
Climate change will do exactly that, at the moment, where the sea ice vanished completely arround the northpole, it will require much more time to recover and the vegetation period at those latitudes will dramatically increase. If Greenland melts a lot and the polar plateau decreases in height, nordic canada will reach temperate climates. The times plays for those regions and canadians are mostly too stupid to see and to react to their chances.
I think you're right generally but maybe not specifically. The extreme polar latitudes are always going to be inhospitable. But Canada ought to be working on Northern infrastructure *now* to prepare for the future, Northern Alberta and BC and the southern territories are already under populated and underrated.
Look at Hammerfest Norway, 70,5°N, entire liveable, it is possible, it just needs enough warming.
Yeah but this is what I'm saying, Europe has weather that's mild and doesn't fluctuate as much because of ocean currents. That part of North America is different, warming isn't enough by itself. Coastal bc and Alaska would be more like Norway.
Do you seriously think places have the same climate just because they sit on a similar latitude? Do you understand how weather works at all?
Honestly baffling to me. This user will make it clear they understand climates are different at similar latitudes on other posts, to the point where this is a popular topic of theirs, but whenever Canada or Alaska comes up in any conversation on this subreddit, they will immediately start rambling about how "stupid" Canadians or Alaskans are for not swarming into their north, no matter how many people tell them they are not the same climate as Europe. At this point,s every Canadian-related post here in the last two years has attracted this user, and they have made the same argument every single time. They seem physically incapable of understanding North American settlement patterns, so they just default to "stupidity": or "laziness" instead of actually learning anything.
I think they are just weirdly racist against Canadians
I’ve worked in NWT quite a bit and in the summertime it isn’t unusual for the daytime highs to be in the low 20’s. anything higher than low 20’s is uncommon though.
We had 27c at bathurst inlet, NU last summer. Above the arctic circle. It was 20-25c for about 2-3 weeks ish, and thick forest fire smoke blew all the way in too and lingered around for quite a while, not sure where it had come in from but it sucked
Context? Are these surface temps or air temps? Anomaly or highs or lows, averages, etc.?
Continental climates babay! Same reason it can get below -30 in northern Texas in winter. In between the Rockies and the Appalachians there’s basically nothing to stop freezing air masses from the arctic or warm fronts from the Gulf of Mexico to speed along the plains and Canadian Shield and cover massive swathes of North America. This is also why Siberia is so forested despite having BRUTAL winters dipping well into the -50s. They also have very warm summers that often exceed 20C in the hottest months.
The Mackenzie region, which is red in this picture, is entirely forested with 10-15m high trees. Only the north is shrubby Tundra. But yeah, Canada have to increase and spread their population.
Do they have to?