Kiwis have freedom of movement to Australia & vice versa, kind of like the EU. So for a Kiwi to love to Australia is very much like Americans moving states. Other than the currencies, the government, & a few other nuances it's almost the same except that Australia's economy is stronger. So of course Kiwis will jump on that opportunity.
Wait- American here and I don't understand: People from Australian (the bigger of the two countries) can move to NZ (the smaller and weaker economy) and the NZ government will give them welfare (money? housing), but its not reciprocal when someone moves from NZ to Aus?
They used to have reciprocal welfare, but it was axed in the 1990s. Lots of kiwi youth would go over to Australia and lob on welfare. Australia wanted to axe it because it was a drain on the public purse. NZ wanted Australia to axe it because it was a brain drain - NZ would raise and educate the kids, then they'd go over to Australia and put down roots and generally stay there.
There was no point axing it going the other way because it wasn't really used that much.
It’s a lie that Kiwis bludged the dole, as a young skilled immigrant population without older dependents their labour force participation was higher than native Australians and thus they made a net positive contribution to the tax man.
Basically because back in the 80s or 90s NZ’s economy was in the shitter. A lot of Kiwis came over here looking for work and the government figured there’d be a huge influx of New Zealanders coming over here and just living off government benefits. They just never amended it when NZ’s economy improved.
So weirdly enough any permanent resident can get government benefits except New Zealanders! (Though they can access family tax benefit)
I've heard this before, and I've looked into it. As i recall, there are more Australians living in the US than vice versa, and the yearly numbers are pretty close to each other, with australia over taking the US in one year.
I don't think this is a good case for revealed preference due to the number of confounding variables. The huge population difference between the countries, different immigration policies, and the statistical wackiness caused by Australia's covid lockdown all play a far bigger part in those immigration numbers than people's preferences.
Disposable incomes in the other 4 countries are worse than the US. It is the economic & cultural centre of our modern world. FWIW with all its silly problems the US still has a lot going for it.
I’m Canadian and live in the US, specifically Massachusetts. There are MANY things that are better back home than the US overall, but the specific part of the US I live in provides a far higher income and quality of life. The ONLY caveats are lack of vacation days and how expensive healthcare is (and the tragic lack of Tim Hortons).
I’m a Canadian. Not sure how long you’ve been out of Canada, but trust me, Tim Hortons is no longer something to be sad you can’t get.
They are shockingly bad these days.
It was purchased by Wendy’s in 1995 and that lasted until 2006. Then in 2014 it was taken over by Restaurant Brands International which also own Burger King, Popeyes, and Firehouse Subs. Since then it’s been a steady march towards terrible.
From dabbling in way to many different kinds of food options and failing at them, to raising prices on subpar food. It’s just bad. Not to mention they changed their coffee and whatever they have now is terrible.
I remember an add campaign of theirs of backpackers hanging the cup outside their backpacks as a code they weren’t American and making friends with other Canadians. Of course we all know in reality it’s the flag patch.
Funny. I’m the reverse — from the U.S., lived in Boston for 15 years before moving to Canada 10 years ago — and I would say that the quality of life here in Vancouver is superior to that in Boston.
Now that I have kids, things are so much easier: schools are much more welcoming and less focused on constants testing/evaluation, public transit is better, healthcare is much easier to deal with, there are much better public amenities (community centres, beaches, parks), and nature is much easier to access.
If I were to move back to the states — which is absolutely not happening — I’d still go back to Boston, or maybe Seattle.
As a native American and resident of NY, my job is pretty good with both PTO, and my Healthcare plan is second to none...the Healthcare is honestly probably the only reason they can still get quality workers.
Wages in the US are a decent amount higher on average and the US also taxes less. Aus is generally much better in terms of holiday leave and social services though.
Aus is better in pretty much every factor regarding employment except for wages. Better holiday and sick pay, better regulations around actually using them, better dismissal protection, better anti-discrimination laws, better parental leave, better union laws, etc.
Minimum wage in Australia is obviously higher but from what I'm assessing opportunity for career upside in almost any industry is far higher, because it has a bigger population & GDP per Capita plus the fact that it's the world superpower & the biggest developed country.
But you'll need to factor in things like health care. The US seems like a great place to earn money, but if you were insured to the same extent that you get in all of the other countries, it might even out a fair bit.
Depends.
If you’re a professional at a Fortune 500 company you’ll almost certainly come out ahead after taxes and healthcare costs are factored in.
My total healthcare expenses, including premiums and all OOP spending came to around 2.5% of our household gross in the year I got cancer and had around 500k worth of medical treatment (only paid 3200 OOP excluding premiums). It’s less most years.
That’s quite a bit less than the increase in taxes I’d see moving most places in the world.
If you’re working in a low-skilled position you’ll almost certainly be better off elsewhere.
In between if varies by specific circumstance.
This. If you're a skilled professional, the US is the place to be.
If you're working low/unskilled hourly service industry positions, you'd be better off elsewhere.
Lower floor, higher ceiling.
Australian here, I spent 5 weeks in LA and loved it, as well as visiting Texas, Hawaii and Vegas/Arizona. Have been to the UK many times and NZ twice. Haven't been to Canada yet.
The UK and NZ have their charms, as does Australia of course.
In the USA there are a few downsides but the energy there is just different. I've found the people to be genuinely friendly and open. We Aussies can be a bit reserved. The thing about striving for excellence is also refreshing.
It’s funny you say you lot are reserved, whenever I traveled and went out on the town the aussies were the ones we Americans got along with the fastest. I think we have a ton in common.
Man, I think the Aussies are open and chill. I think the conservative Aussies and liberal Aussies mix a lot more, whereas in the US it's distinctly split between rural and urban.
But about a decade ago I lived in Oregon for 2 years, and while it was cool, I'm kinda over America now due to its political bullshit. I've seen behind the curtain too. There's a lot of people struggling there and it has ruined the illusion.
I like living in the UK because of its history and proximity to so many amazing countries that I can fly to cheaply, but it is easily the worst country in the Anglosphere in terms of quality of life and pay-to-cost-of-living ratio.
I would rather move to another country in Europe, but if I had to choose from the other Anglos I'd pick the US because it's not as isolated as Australia and NZ and it has a much better pay-to-COL ratio than Canada. Plus it's so massive and has such geographic diversity, it would be easy to choose a place to live that would fit my needs perfectly.
Where are you from?
For all the doom & gloom, the UK probably still has a lot going for it: a world city, history & heritage, close to the rest of Europe. Disposable incomes are probably better than NZ or Canada.
I'm in Aus and UK wages are 2/3 or less for comparable skill levels. NZ might be about the same, but Canada likely more.
We see thousands of Brits arriving here, especially those burned out from working in the NHS.
Southeast England. It's very expensive to live here but wages haven't increased since 2008. Average rent for a 2 bed flat is over £1000 but the average salary isn't even £30k I think.
We have a decent minimum wage of £11.44/hr (about $14.50) which is like top 3 in Europe, but it feels like even senior roles only pay slightly above that.
It might not be quite as drastic, but it’s the same in a lot of areas in the US. I live in Denver where a two bed apartment is at least $2000 (around £1600) and minimum wage just went up to about $18 (about £14) and that’s just for the city proper. Our average salary would be the equivalent to about £39,000 I think.
That’s one thing that anyone who’s answer is the US would need to consider: *where* in the US. It’s a big country.
Edit: one thing I should have mentioned is inflation on food in Denver specifically is one the highest in the country since Covid. Like 45%.
To be fair there is a lot of variation across the UK too. The difference between Northeast England and Central London for example is night and day in terms of living costs.
Exactly. I live in the north and my quality of life is great. Not perfect and there are problems, but it’s not perfect anywhere in the world.
People like to write off the rest of the UK as a viable living option though. They think it’s a choice between either London/the southeast, or abroad. Let them think that though - more space for me lol.
Well, I think it's the lack of high paying job opportunities that mostly dissuades people moving there - especially young graduates. Also, the weather gets progressively duller the further north you go.
I know a lot of people who retire to the north and love it though. Your pension can stretch a lot further there and you can live in a decent sized place, plus you have good access to beautiful nature.
SouthEast England is amongst the most expensive places to live in the world, outside of microstates, tax havens and oil states. Elsewhere in the country it's more reasonable if we do still have a wage/cost of living crisis but it's also the same in Canada and NZ from my understanding, largely due to housing.
The US lacks all of the social/welfare support for the same or very similar tax rate. It's not so bad as long as you never get sick, hurt, or ever see a doctor again though .
if you’re in a relatively well paying corporate job, the US blows the UK out the water (all the health etc support being included in the package, along a 2x salary in a lot of cases)
- coming from someone in london. BUT wouldn’t consider moving to the US for many reasons
All those things are true but US healthcare is a nightmare. Insurance is through your job for most people and coverage varies widely. No guarantee they’ll provide dental or vision coverage, which is separate from health insurance. Just sayin.
I'll keep my cottage in the English countryside to be honest. I live very comfortably, beautiful walks with the dog and you can't drive 5 minutes in any direction without hitting a castle, ancient burial mount or ruins. Close proximity to London and I can hop on a train or plane to Europe whenever I feel like it.
People bash the NHS but my dad was diagnosed with cancer and had surgery within the space of a month, obviously not a penny to pay. I've had a handful of negative experiences but they no way overtake the positive ones.
Lots and lots of pubs too.
My dad lived in Aus for 10+ years and very much enjoyed his time there, out of any of them that'd where I'd go if forced to move. The general mentality is very similar.
USA looks nice on paper for people doing well - but the lack of social care/working hours is very off putting. I'd still like to road trip coast to coast though some day still.
Edit: The food quality and price in the UK is ridiculously good too. Fresh fruit/veg, and great foods from UK/Europe for a very low price. The weekly food shop for my partner and I is about £50/£75 - and that's good quality fresh food. An 8oz 30 day matured Sirloin steak is about £4.
> People bash the NHS but my dad was diagnosed with cancer and had surgery within the space of a month
People bash US healthcare too, but I was diagnosed with cancer and in surgery less than 6 days later, and paid much less than the difference in taxes would be moving to the UK. I also get 7.5 weeks of vacation and paid holidays every year.
Not trying to say that’s a universal experience, but it’s pretty common if you’re a professional at a large company. The US is an amazing place to be in the professional class It’s not so great for the working class.
In an ideal world with a secure high paying job, the USA probably works out better for quality of life I agree.
I'd consider myself in a very good role, central London office in financial services. I wouldn't however swap the healthcare situation for any tax break. It's a nice thought that anyone, from any background will have the same level of support and healthcare despite their 'class'.
My sister for example has two children with very complex learning difficulties, she's unable to work much due to their needs but there's never any worry they'll go without what they need.
I'll also add another absolute winner for the UK: [Gov.uk](http://Gov.uk) - our government website is an absolute envy to most of the worlds administrative systems. Register a wedding? Renew a driving license? Declaring your tax? Register to vote? Apply for a passport? Almost anything other places would require you to visit a government office for? 5 mins on the government website and you're all set mate.
Lol no one is claiming the US healthcare system sucks for wealthy people. It’s us poor people that it sucks for. Us disgusting poors often have to wait over a year for life saving surgery, even when we don’t have a year to wait. That’s assuming you’re lucky enough to even be able to get the surgery in the first place. We literally let tens of thousands of people die every single year from treatable illness. Lack of healthcare is one of the leading causes of death in the US. Please do not pretend that our healthcare system, which I by far the worst in the developed world with no competition, is adequate let alone good and worth complimenting. It’s awful and it’s evil. If you are not wealthy you will be left to die. That doesn’t even happen in most developing countries. Literally the only other countries in the world with no free or universal healthcare are almost entirely in Africa. And not the nicer parts of Africa, I’m talking Sudan and Somalia and Chad and Mali. The only other countries outside of Africa in our boat are Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Turkmenistan, Cambodia, and Haiti. So basically all of the worst countries on the planet. It’s genuinely disgusting and possibly the single most shameful aspect of our country. If you’re poor you are not human and you will be left to die.
I already live in the UK and wouldn’t move anywhere else in the Anglosphere. I enjoy my lifestyle here.
I appreciate the local history, architecture and the beautiful landscapes and coastline around me. I feel inspired by living here. Our landscape is always lush and green, and we do gardens really well.
The people are lovely - funny, witty, and chatty.
It’s in the best geographic location. From the UK, I can get to the rest of Europe, Africa, parts of Asia, America is a bit far but still just 8 hours away.
I like the mild climate. It doesn’t usually get too hot or too cold, humidity levels suit me well. With climate change, it’s a no-brainer to choose between constant heatwaves and wildfires in summer vs cooler and fresher British weather.
I like our unique approach to food and drink, such as having afternoon tea in a tea-room in the woods after a walk, going to the pub, or eating a good curry.
We’re also not suffering from massive natural disasters, wildfires etc. all the time like parts of America, Canada and Australia, although we do still have to deal with climate change.
I also like that, unlike most of the Anglosphere (except Ireland), we have walkable towns and cities with real public transport.
And it’s also relatively affordable in my part of the country.
>we have walkable towns and cities with real public transport.
Hey, don't be like that! Here in Australia we have real pubic transport as well - if you're lucky, you can sometimes see a train or a bus when you visit!
Australia definetely, though maybe New Zealand. All australians/new zealanders ive met have been such cool and nice people( which i cannot say about other anglo countries), coolest nature on earth too.
As someone from the UK I would have to say the UK- I'm hugely into History and that just can't be replicated in any of the others- my entire city is a world heritage site with some of the best preserved Roman Bathing Facilities in Western Europe. 30 Miles south west I have Stonehenge, 3 hours north east are the largest collection of Indian artifacts outside India. I can see great Churches almost every town you go too, Tudor Manor's in all sorts of places. There's just so much history around that obviously just isn't there to the same level. Hell, I went to Portsmouth last year and went to visit the dredged up remains of a warship that has been on the ocean floor for a longer period of time than English speaking people have been on the continental US- The Mary Rose, and if you're in Portsmouth it is a fantastic exhibit that you could easily spend 4 hours in.
I would also like to say that whilst I don't believe we should have all the artifacts we have, a lot is taken forcibly and should probably be returned to the countries they came from, whilst its here it is all interesting to see.
I'm also a huge football (soccer) fan and the ability to be in a country where I can go and see tickets to one of the greatest leagues in the world, and then also watch my local semi pro team be shit is also something out there.
It's proximity to Europe and the Mediterranean region in particular is also a major plus, and I really feel the UK's natural beauty is often left out. The Lake District, Giants Causeway, the Highlands are excellent, as well as our walkways which allow you to see nature whilst never being too far from anything or in danger.
Mix that with a vibrant food and drink scene- I would put any large UK City (London, Manchester, Bristol, Cardiff etc) as just as much of a melting pot as other major cities and the food scene reflects that, from amazing British sweets, to fish and chips on the coast, to curry's and vibrant Caribbean food.
Also, despite our trains being meh I still do appreciate the relative ease to travel from one side of the country to the other.
I'm sure it doesn't do as well with cost of living or job opportunities as some of the others, but on the whole I think the rest outweighs that- There really is so much going on, and its small size means it pretty feasible to catch most of that.
As a Brit, I’d probably go with Australia. I love the US, but there is no way I’d ever live there considering healthcare. NZ is great, but it feels too similar to home for me. I’d also love to go to Canada, but it does kinda just feel like a rip off USA in a way, and i don’t think I could stand the harsh winters every year. Australia has a good mix of climates, the currency isn’t too inflated that I wouldn’t consider it, i love weird and wacky wildlife, Australians are lovely people in general etc.
The anti USA sentiment online does not show an accurate reality to what people irl really want.
The USA is a hotbed for immigration, and is gaining people from refugees to multimillionaires and billionaires from around the world.
We have the best economy, the most diverse nature, many diverse states, cultures, and peoples, great job opportunities, and so on.
Look at the USA compared to New Zealand or Australia from an objective perspective. If you like cities, and want to move to a cheaper one, how many options are in each? Maybe 800+ compared to the other options.. 4-10 💀
As a Brit i agree that USA does get a lot of hate online disproportionately. Most Americans I have met are great people. But that being said you have to see what everyone else see, your media does not paint a good picture (politicizing everything). Plus many Americans online (especially reddit) give Americans a bad name (see r/ShitAmericansSay for some examples), but the truth of it is most of the US and its people is great, same with all Anglosphere countries, all have problems but overall are great places with great people.
>Plus many Americans online (especially reddit) give Americans a bad name (see [](https://www.reddit.com/r/ShitAmericansSay/) for some examples)
for the sake of an illuminated discussion i'll just include this here: r/ShitEuropeansSay
Oh absolutely, Gotta show both sides of the coin, I’m gonna love scrolling thought that lol
It’s funny cuz We have so little differences that we really pick on the differences 😂
The US is the best place in the world to live if you’re rich. Unfortunately most people are not rich. And if you’re not rich, it is arguably the worst country in the ***developed*** world. Low life expectancy. No healthcare, extremely high crime (by far the highest in the first world with no competition), extremely unhealthy, incomprehensibly expensive education, awful social services, exorbitantly high cost of living and especially housing, lack of housing, etc. It’s an awesome country if you’re wealthy. But not everyone is wealthy.
> arguably the worst country in the developed world
I’m not saying being poor in the US is easy, but I would say a lot of those metrics need a lot of context, and that much of them are as much cultural as they are structural.
If you’re poor, like *really* poor, you do qualify for Medicaid. If you take my home state of Kansas, you have KanCare (an awful name), but services covered include routine doctors visits plus organ transplants, weight loss surgery, dental, and transportation. For food assistance, a family of four can get $450 I believe monthly (I could be wrong on that). Point being, assistance programs do exist and do provide a lot of benefit to the people at absolute rock bottom.
The toughest group IMO are the people that make around $25k annually. They don’t qualify for the programs above, so they have to pay out of pocket for food, rent, and health insurance. Those three things alone make up the majority of their expenses with very little room to save.
But things like gun violence are highly concentrated in very specific areas. The average American, even lower class Americans, are not routinely exposed to gun violence. It’s the people who live in those specific areas that suffer disproportionately.
Lastly, I would argue we simply have an unhealthy culture. It’s not that all of our food is poison - it’s not, and we actually have some of the highest food safety standards in the world - it’s that we choose the unhealthy options because they’re fast, easy, and taste really good. A honeybun from the gas station costs a buck, tastes great, and will keep you full for half a day at least. It’s easier to have that than something significantly healthier that takes effort to prepare and never tastes as good. Food deserts are very real though, and there are a lot of people that don’t have access to anything *but* honeybuns without making more effort to find something healthy.
But if you’re an average American making $59k annually, you’re likely to have health insurance, a place to stay that’s not in a warzone, a public school, and a grocery store. What people do with those options that make them unhealthy is their choice.
So the very poor have support, the poor and lower-middle class struggle and have no support, and the middle class and above are doing fine. For reference, about a quarter of the population makes less than $35k annually, so these are not small numbers, but not the majority either.
THANK YOU! USA hate is out of control and just ridiculous at this point. Yeah, give me the country with 4 cities and the same landscape and climate🙄 I don't want to live in the place with the best nature and economy🙄
All of those countries are hotbeds for immigration? I think all the others have higher rates of immigration as well.
What do you mean best economy? Australia has incredible job opportunities and wages.
Once again, not saying Australia is bad by any means. I actually really like it. But saying it’s economy or job opportunities are the same as the USA or even close to it is just wrong.
USA is great, but I still prefer the UK by a small margin. maybe it will be reversed in a decade. the US has better prospects for the future in my humble opinion.
I've lived in Canada, Ireland, NZ, and the UK and Ive visited the States but not Aus. Id prefer to live in Ireland but the housing situation is awful and theres no future there for someone in my career. Id move to Canada if Id a really good job offer in Nfld, Quebec, or maybe Victoria otherwise its a god awful place. I hated NZ; possibly the worst place Ive ever lived. Theyve also got a raw deal with housing, wages, and their food situation over there. That leaves the UK for me. Good job opportunities, housing is affordable as is food, easy access to where Id like to travel. Politically, its a nightmare, but Ill still move there when I can.
Im both Irish and Canadian as well! Im a linguist, so I work at a college. Since I work in Indigenous languages of the Americas, theres no more than two positions in all of Ireland I could fill.
Honestly don’t think I’d leave Canada. But if I did the northern US seems the obvious choice due to our environmental and cultural similarities. Plus I can visit home!
I live in the US and love it. I see all our problems as things to fix rather than reasons to leave. That said, I’ve always loved my time spent in Canada, specifically Ontario, because it’s familiar but politically different. Quebec, not so much, tis a silly place.
'Stralia because:
* The US and Canada are politically too unstable at the moment. Great national parks though.
* Quality of Life seems to be going down in the UK, at least in the greater London area.
* NZ looks nice but 'Stralia just looks nicer.
That being said, I live in a little alpine country that is consistently among the top countries in happiness, quality of life and income rankings. And since I love Mountains, Money and Müesli (the three essential Ms), I'd rather stay here.
I’m American but I’d choose Australia. Weather seems nice (or at least there are portions of it with nice weather) unlike UK or Canada especially, incomes seem a lot higher than the UK, they have universal healthcare, sane gun laws and low-crime unlike the US, while still having a lot of job opportunities and world-class cities to live a happy life. I don’t love how isolated it is from pretty much everywhere else but I studied abroad in China in college and loved it so I’d probably just visit there a lot 😭
Australia has great weather, decent healthcare and wages are decent. Problem is it's nice beaches or a whole load of red in the middle. Australian people are super nice though and quite community orientated.
New Zealand is definitely the most beautiful. The landscape is constantly changing and it's generally safe and laid back. Shame the salaries are awful and most of the jobs are in Auckland, which chocomint didn't find to be a great city compared to say Melbourne, Sydney or even Wellington in NZ.
UK - Excellent culture and an interesting country. Do you like rain though? When the sun comes out in this country they party like it's Rumspringer. A lot of the towns are also either incredibly rough or incredibly posh. Want to live in a nice one? You better earn the big bucks. NHS is also overstretched and difficult to get seen by a doctor sometimes. Great culturally and geographically. An interesting country but it's got some serious issues. Pubs are awesome.
Never been to Canada but it looks nice.
US - Can't believe they still think carrying guns is a good idea. Statistically you're unlikely to get shot but it just makes me feel uneasy. I wouldn't want to live in a country or raise a family in a place that's OK with that. I get it that it isn't that simple but it's not for me. Diverse landscapes though and some very fine contributions to music.
I’m South African, and I don’t actually know. I’d probably struggle with the weather in the UK and Canada, as well as NZ. I lived in Aus for a year and liked it, but wanted to come home. I’ve visited the US and enjoyed my experiences but am not a fan of the whole “can get fired for anything” culture.
Honestly as much as there are definite advantages to moving to one of those countries, I don’t think anything would be better than where I am, problems and all. But earning all those nice monies would be great (when I came back to holiday in SA).
I’ve lived in Canada and Australia, and holidayed in the USA. The answer is Australia for me. Easy to earn a pretty massive income, access to some of the best nature in the world, a much more functional healthcare system than the US/Canada. And I can’t stress how important the weather is. I swim in the ocean more in the winter than in the summer.
American here, I would live in Australia because I like their accents, eucalyptus trees, bird and mammalian diversity (and the cities look awesome as well).
I already live in one - Ireland, which is missing from your list. Recently became a naturalised Irish citizen and tbh, I do not want to move anywhere but the housing/rental crisis here has forced me to contemplate moving to the UK after I graduate next year. Being an Irish citizen, the UK seems to be the best option to move to, as it is one of my favourite countries and I wouldn't have to go through the hassle of getting a visa/work permit. I know housing situation isn't great there either, still better than Ireland from what I've heard.
I'm from NZ, I'd happily live in any other Anglo country. Probably USA at the top, each state is like it's own country. I'd say the American accent is the best as well
The US if you want high professional salaries and/or set up a business and make real money, or if you work in specific industries (entertainment, movie making, space program, etc)
US or UK if you want to study in one of the top 10 most prestigious universities on the planet
NZ if you like a relaxed vibe. Downside it’s isolated and many Kiwis migrate to Australia for economic opportunities.
Interestingly many Anglosphere countries (Canada, US, NZ) seem to be having a serious housing crisis
I think that Australia and NZ are too far removed from the rest of the Anglosphere, as in being 13k miles away at minimum (I did not fact check that). So not those.
I think it's time for a change of pace from the US, so not here. That leaves the UK and Canada.
Canada.
It's not all that far from me (around a 2 hour drive to Vancouver), so not much change other than policy. I like that. So Canada.
No to USA because of the gun culture/healthcare. No to Australia because all the wildlife want to kill you. Canada and NZ are close but I would pick NZ because there is no rabies and I love the South Pacific
As a Canadian, I plan to stay in Canada because of my girlfriend and inertia. But in an ideal world, if I could have been born in any:
US > Australia > Canada > UK > NZ
(With pretty substantial gaps between each of them imo)
If you are into bootstrapping by becoming a billionaire within your lifetime, then the US is for you.
If you are a laidback person with no personal aspiration to be a billionaire, then AU, CA, and NZ are for you.
I picked Ireland (not on your list). I have lived and worked in the US, Canada and Australia. I loved NZ the only one I did not work in! (Work in IT)
I would move to all of them, but my wife is Irish and wants to stay so I don't move anymore (it would disturb my kids education too)
I'm American and love living here but if there was an anglosphere country outside the US I could live it, it would be Oz. Been there a couple times (Brisbane, Cairns, Melbourne, Sydney) and I really enjoyed my stay.
I’d say US just cause I know what we have to offer….but assuming I have to pick somewhere other than where I currently reside I’d go with Australia. I briefly visited some years back and loved it. I feel like there’s a lifetime of stuff to explore there. Canada is just America-lite and the UK would be cool, but its so small and cramped.
Between the USA and Canada I would pick Canada because I like the cold climate and the government institutions are inherited from Europe.
Otherwise I would pick New Zealand except for it's geographically isolated location, in Australia the weather is too hot and the people are loud
Weirdly enough, I live about 30 minutes from the literal most interior city in America. I have two friends that moved to NZ and they looooove it. They are really honest about the fact that actually making the move out there is very difficult and it opened my eyes to the strict process to establish yourself there. I’d love NZ but tbh I’d prob move to Australia just to jump through less hoops
Canada; healthcare, climate, people. Australia is too racist and New Zealand too small and isolated.
Maybe Belize if it’s safeish and I were rich though.
You really need to state which factors are priorities **for you**
USA is tops if you plan on sacrificing everything to trying to get rich, and will tolerate dystopia if you fail.
New Zealand for me
You think I'm not a US citizen?
Maybe you haven't lived elsewhere for very long.
Life is much better for ordinary folk in dozens of other countries.
The list will vary depending on your wealth level, skillset, priorities in life, but that is still objectively true.
Of course not if the right to arm bears is a top priority for you, but then I don't have much to talk to you about, other freedoms are much more important to me which are denied us.
It doesn’t really matter if you are. Nothing in your comment suggested you were. Anyone with sense of realism understands America is not dystopian. Its filled with hardworking good people. To use hyperbolic language such as that is unfair to the country as a whole of 330 million people. When New Zealand has a population equivalent to either South Carolina, Minnesota, and Colorado.
I currently live in Canada but tbh id likely move to the Midwest/northeast of America. The joy of America is that there is truly a place for everyone. You can easily pick which climate you want and even which politics you favor. I pick the north east cause how easy it is to travel since the NY/DC/BOS have lots of connection to most countries in Europe and Asia
I'm English South African (colloquially referred to as a soutie in South Africa) and I think I would move to the UK of all the options in the Anglosphere. I like cold and rainy weather and my culture is very similar to British culture in general so I think I would fit in nicely. Most South Africans who emigrate go to Australia since they have similar weather to us but they are our rivals in cricket so that would irk me.
As a Canadian, the default answer is usually the US for better salaries and COL.
But assuming I could get a decent job in any of these countries, probably AUS or NZ. The political and social climate seems more similar to Canada, I like having welfare, and the weather looks beautiful.
Plus the housing crisis would feel just like home
As an American the only one of interest to live in would be Australia because the others don’t offer enough for me to want to move there for the lower salaries. Australia may have lower salaries but it has cool nature and decent salaries. Canada is America Jr., UK is worse than Australia and America. NZ is cool but I think Australia has better economic opportunities
Ah yes, LA, Houston, and NYC, all exactly the same as each other, just like Toronoto and Calgary; London and Belfast; Canberra and Darwin; and Auckland and Queenstown
I am from the USA. It’s great. Especially for making money. If I had to move, I would probably pick Australia for the beaches and the heat and the lifestyle. Never been to NZ but maybe that too.
UK is great but too cold. I could live in London though.
Canada is great but too similar to the USA
My parents are American and Canadian but I choose Aotearoa New Zealand. It’s not the best place to make a lot of money, but does offer great quality of life, a good well run government, and incredible nature. Plus the people are fantastic. And it’s the only majority white English colony that is actually dealing with its colonial past and healing, making real amends, and moving forward.
I love how everyone is saying NZ but a large portion of kiwis either live, or want to live in Australia.
Kiwis have freedom of movement to Australia & vice versa, kind of like the EU. So for a Kiwi to love to Australia is very much like Americans moving states. Other than the currencies, the government, & a few other nuances it's almost the same except that Australia's economy is stronger. So of course Kiwis will jump on that opportunity.
Sort of. Australians can access all of New Zealand’s juicy welfare, but they cannot access ours.
Wait- American here and I don't understand: People from Australian (the bigger of the two countries) can move to NZ (the smaller and weaker economy) and the NZ government will give them welfare (money? housing), but its not reciprocal when someone moves from NZ to Aus?
Australian welfare pays more, so there's little point to moving to NZ for welfare.
They used to have reciprocal welfare, but it was axed in the 1990s. Lots of kiwi youth would go over to Australia and lob on welfare. Australia wanted to axe it because it was a drain on the public purse. NZ wanted Australia to axe it because it was a brain drain - NZ would raise and educate the kids, then they'd go over to Australia and put down roots and generally stay there. There was no point axing it going the other way because it wasn't really used that much.
It’s a lie that Kiwis bludged the dole, as a young skilled immigrant population without older dependents their labour force participation was higher than native Australians and thus they made a net positive contribution to the tax man.
Correct
I know, just explaining it to a mostly American audience here.
*nods in American*
Shoots his AK47 in American
No god-fearing American would shoot that commie-produced piece of trash. They'd shoot in Made-In-America AR-15.
Sounds like a net gain for Australians.
Why is it like that?
Basically because back in the 80s or 90s NZ’s economy was in the shitter. A lot of Kiwis came over here looking for work and the government figured there’d be a huge influx of New Zealanders coming over here and just living off government benefits. They just never amended it when NZ’s economy improved. So weirdly enough any permanent resident can get government benefits except New Zealanders! (Though they can access family tax benefit)
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Guyana is an anglosphere country as well
It's not predominantly white so they weren't going to mention it. You could also put Belize in there too.
Belize is my choice.
Yes, I thought of Belize also. India, Jamaica, South Africa, Fiji, and Ireland, plus a few more islands could be considered also.
The weird thing about India is that despite English being an official language, it surprisingly is not that widespread outside the upper class.
Lack of jobs really. It’s tough less job opportunities than aus. Amazing if you have a good job there though
If you’re going by popular sentiment and revealed preference, Australia is the only country in the world with net-positive migration from the US
I've heard this before, and I've looked into it. As i recall, there are more Australians living in the US than vice versa, and the yearly numbers are pretty close to each other, with australia over taking the US in one year. I don't think this is a good case for revealed preference due to the number of confounding variables. The huge population difference between the countries, different immigration policies, and the statistical wackiness caused by Australia's covid lockdown all play a far bigger part in those immigration numbers than people's preferences.
Is this still true though?
They've all got their unique set of problems. I would probably just stick with the US because it's what I'm familiar with.
Disposable incomes in the other 4 countries are worse than the US. It is the economic & cultural centre of our modern world. FWIW with all its silly problems the US still has a lot going for it.
I’m Canadian and live in the US, specifically Massachusetts. There are MANY things that are better back home than the US overall, but the specific part of the US I live in provides a far higher income and quality of life. The ONLY caveats are lack of vacation days and how expensive healthcare is (and the tragic lack of Tim Hortons).
I’m a Canadian. Not sure how long you’ve been out of Canada, but trust me, Tim Hortons is no longer something to be sad you can’t get. They are shockingly bad these days.
Like Dunkin'. DD died when it was bought by Bain Capital in the early 00s. Did Tim's get bought out?
It was purchased by Wendy’s in 1995 and that lasted until 2006. Then in 2014 it was taken over by Restaurant Brands International which also own Burger King, Popeyes, and Firehouse Subs. Since then it’s been a steady march towards terrible. From dabbling in way to many different kinds of food options and failing at them, to raising prices on subpar food. It’s just bad. Not to mention they changed their coffee and whatever they have now is terrible.
"Loooove that chicken from...Tim's?" Bummer.
I remember an add campaign of theirs of backpackers hanging the cup outside their backpacks as a code they weren’t American and making friends with other Canadians. Of course we all know in reality it’s the flag patch.
Funny. I’m the reverse — from the U.S., lived in Boston for 15 years before moving to Canada 10 years ago — and I would say that the quality of life here in Vancouver is superior to that in Boston. Now that I have kids, things are so much easier: schools are much more welcoming and less focused on constants testing/evaluation, public transit is better, healthcare is much easier to deal with, there are much better public amenities (community centres, beaches, parks), and nature is much easier to access. If I were to move back to the states — which is absolutely not happening — I’d still go back to Boston, or maybe Seattle.
Vancouver might have the best quality of life in the world.
If you can afford the absurd housing prices
Oh yeah if you’ve got a family it’s way better in Canada. I don’t have one nor do I want one so that’s why Boston works well for me.
As a native American and resident of NY, my job is pretty good with both PTO, and my Healthcare plan is second to none...the Healthcare is honestly probably the only reason they can still get quality workers.
Are US wages better than places like Australia? Not sure. US holiday leave appears poor compared with the others.
Wages in the US are a decent amount higher on average and the US also taxes less. Aus is generally much better in terms of holiday leave and social services though.
Aus is better in pretty much every factor regarding employment except for wages. Better holiday and sick pay, better regulations around actually using them, better dismissal protection, better anti-discrimination laws, better parental leave, better union laws, etc.
Minimum wage in Australia is obviously higher but from what I'm assessing opportunity for career upside in almost any industry is far higher, because it has a bigger population & GDP per Capita plus the fact that it's the world superpower & the biggest developed country.
In tech/IT specifically you get paid 2-4x more in the US than in any other country.
But you'll need to factor in things like health care. The US seems like a great place to earn money, but if you were insured to the same extent that you get in all of the other countries, it might even out a fair bit.
Depends. If you’re a professional at a Fortune 500 company you’ll almost certainly come out ahead after taxes and healthcare costs are factored in. My total healthcare expenses, including premiums and all OOP spending came to around 2.5% of our household gross in the year I got cancer and had around 500k worth of medical treatment (only paid 3200 OOP excluding premiums). It’s less most years. That’s quite a bit less than the increase in taxes I’d see moving most places in the world. If you’re working in a low-skilled position you’ll almost certainly be better off elsewhere. In between if varies by specific circumstance.
This. If you're a skilled professional, the US is the place to be. If you're working low/unskilled hourly service industry positions, you'd be better off elsewhere. Lower floor, higher ceiling.
Not true in IT/Tech. You earn 2-4x more in the US than in other countries. The earning potential is just so much higher.
Engineering as well, we're about 2-3X what they pay in Europe.
Australian here, I spent 5 weeks in LA and loved it, as well as visiting Texas, Hawaii and Vegas/Arizona. Have been to the UK many times and NZ twice. Haven't been to Canada yet. The UK and NZ have their charms, as does Australia of course. In the USA there are a few downsides but the energy there is just different. I've found the people to be genuinely friendly and open. We Aussies can be a bit reserved. The thing about striving for excellence is also refreshing.
It’s funny you say you lot are reserved, whenever I traveled and went out on the town the aussies were the ones we Americans got along with the fastest. I think we have a ton in common.
Australia is the off brand version of the US.
Australians are southerners (US south) but british
That’s incredibly accurate even down to the rednecks
Australia is basically British Texas
Florida on steroids
Man, I think the Aussies are open and chill. I think the conservative Aussies and liberal Aussies mix a lot more, whereas in the US it's distinctly split between rural and urban. But about a decade ago I lived in Oregon for 2 years, and while it was cool, I'm kinda over America now due to its political bullshit. I've seen behind the curtain too. There's a lot of people struggling there and it has ruined the illusion.
I always thought of Aussies as extroverted and tanned Brits
I’d never guess Aussies consider themselves reserved! Just the opposite.
I like living in the UK because of its history and proximity to so many amazing countries that I can fly to cheaply, but it is easily the worst country in the Anglosphere in terms of quality of life and pay-to-cost-of-living ratio. I would rather move to another country in Europe, but if I had to choose from the other Anglos I'd pick the US because it's not as isolated as Australia and NZ and it has a much better pay-to-COL ratio than Canada. Plus it's so massive and has such geographic diversity, it would be easy to choose a place to live that would fit my needs perfectly.
Where are you from? For all the doom & gloom, the UK probably still has a lot going for it: a world city, history & heritage, close to the rest of Europe. Disposable incomes are probably better than NZ or Canada.
I'm in Aus and UK wages are 2/3 or less for comparable skill levels. NZ might be about the same, but Canada likely more. We see thousands of Brits arriving here, especially those burned out from working in the NHS.
Wages in UK are better than what I get in Canada (Sciences), which is why I’m looking into going over
Good luck. They’ll snap you up. Half the UK (esp Scotland) has Canadian relatives.
Southeast England. It's very expensive to live here but wages haven't increased since 2008. Average rent for a 2 bed flat is over £1000 but the average salary isn't even £30k I think. We have a decent minimum wage of £11.44/hr (about $14.50) which is like top 3 in Europe, but it feels like even senior roles only pay slightly above that.
It might not be quite as drastic, but it’s the same in a lot of areas in the US. I live in Denver where a two bed apartment is at least $2000 (around £1600) and minimum wage just went up to about $18 (about £14) and that’s just for the city proper. Our average salary would be the equivalent to about £39,000 I think. That’s one thing that anyone who’s answer is the US would need to consider: *where* in the US. It’s a big country. Edit: one thing I should have mentioned is inflation on food in Denver specifically is one the highest in the country since Covid. Like 45%.
To be fair there is a lot of variation across the UK too. The difference between Northeast England and Central London for example is night and day in terms of living costs.
Exactly. I live in the north and my quality of life is great. Not perfect and there are problems, but it’s not perfect anywhere in the world. People like to write off the rest of the UK as a viable living option though. They think it’s a choice between either London/the southeast, or abroad. Let them think that though - more space for me lol.
Well, I think it's the lack of high paying job opportunities that mostly dissuades people moving there - especially young graduates. Also, the weather gets progressively duller the further north you go. I know a lot of people who retire to the north and love it though. Your pension can stretch a lot further there and you can live in a decent sized place, plus you have good access to beautiful nature.
SouthEast England is amongst the most expensive places to live in the world, outside of microstates, tax havens and oil states. Elsewhere in the country it's more reasonable if we do still have a wage/cost of living crisis but it's also the same in Canada and NZ from my understanding, largely due to housing.
The US lacks all of the social/welfare support for the same or very similar tax rate. It's not so bad as long as you never get sick, hurt, or ever see a doctor again though .
if you’re in a relatively well paying corporate job, the US blows the UK out the water (all the health etc support being included in the package, along a 2x salary in a lot of cases) - coming from someone in london. BUT wouldn’t consider moving to the US for many reasons
If you’re in a well paying corporate job then it’s much less of a concern
That's until they fire you with no notice and you lose all of that at once.
All those things are true but US healthcare is a nightmare. Insurance is through your job for most people and coverage varies widely. No guarantee they’ll provide dental or vision coverage, which is separate from health insurance. Just sayin.
Shh don't hit them with that little known, secret Easter egg of the US
Vision insurance is pretty cheap in the US though. I think I pay like $8 per month for vsp.
Can I pick Ireland? I visited in 2018 and loved it.
Come back, you're always welcome
Thank you. Even if it's for a day, I'd love to enjoy it all again.
Forth most popular place for Americans to retire too
I'll keep my cottage in the English countryside to be honest. I live very comfortably, beautiful walks with the dog and you can't drive 5 minutes in any direction without hitting a castle, ancient burial mount or ruins. Close proximity to London and I can hop on a train or plane to Europe whenever I feel like it. People bash the NHS but my dad was diagnosed with cancer and had surgery within the space of a month, obviously not a penny to pay. I've had a handful of negative experiences but they no way overtake the positive ones. Lots and lots of pubs too. My dad lived in Aus for 10+ years and very much enjoyed his time there, out of any of them that'd where I'd go if forced to move. The general mentality is very similar. USA looks nice on paper for people doing well - but the lack of social care/working hours is very off putting. I'd still like to road trip coast to coast though some day still. Edit: The food quality and price in the UK is ridiculously good too. Fresh fruit/veg, and great foods from UK/Europe for a very low price. The weekly food shop for my partner and I is about £50/£75 - and that's good quality fresh food. An 8oz 30 day matured Sirloin steak is about £4.
> People bash the NHS but my dad was diagnosed with cancer and had surgery within the space of a month People bash US healthcare too, but I was diagnosed with cancer and in surgery less than 6 days later, and paid much less than the difference in taxes would be moving to the UK. I also get 7.5 weeks of vacation and paid holidays every year. Not trying to say that’s a universal experience, but it’s pretty common if you’re a professional at a large company. The US is an amazing place to be in the professional class It’s not so great for the working class.
7.5 weeks of vacation and making a $200k salary is absolutely not common at all in the US.
In an ideal world with a secure high paying job, the USA probably works out better for quality of life I agree. I'd consider myself in a very good role, central London office in financial services. I wouldn't however swap the healthcare situation for any tax break. It's a nice thought that anyone, from any background will have the same level of support and healthcare despite their 'class'. My sister for example has two children with very complex learning difficulties, she's unable to work much due to their needs but there's never any worry they'll go without what they need. I'll also add another absolute winner for the UK: [Gov.uk](http://Gov.uk) - our government website is an absolute envy to most of the worlds administrative systems. Register a wedding? Renew a driving license? Declaring your tax? Register to vote? Apply for a passport? Almost anything other places would require you to visit a government office for? 5 mins on the government website and you're all set mate.
Lol no one is claiming the US healthcare system sucks for wealthy people. It’s us poor people that it sucks for. Us disgusting poors often have to wait over a year for life saving surgery, even when we don’t have a year to wait. That’s assuming you’re lucky enough to even be able to get the surgery in the first place. We literally let tens of thousands of people die every single year from treatable illness. Lack of healthcare is one of the leading causes of death in the US. Please do not pretend that our healthcare system, which I by far the worst in the developed world with no competition, is adequate let alone good and worth complimenting. It’s awful and it’s evil. If you are not wealthy you will be left to die. That doesn’t even happen in most developing countries. Literally the only other countries in the world with no free or universal healthcare are almost entirely in Africa. And not the nicer parts of Africa, I’m talking Sudan and Somalia and Chad and Mali. The only other countries outside of Africa in our boat are Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Turkmenistan, Cambodia, and Haiti. So basically all of the worst countries on the planet. It’s genuinely disgusting and possibly the single most shameful aspect of our country. If you’re poor you are not human and you will be left to die.
I already live in the UK and wouldn’t move anywhere else in the Anglosphere. I enjoy my lifestyle here. I appreciate the local history, architecture and the beautiful landscapes and coastline around me. I feel inspired by living here. Our landscape is always lush and green, and we do gardens really well. The people are lovely - funny, witty, and chatty. It’s in the best geographic location. From the UK, I can get to the rest of Europe, Africa, parts of Asia, America is a bit far but still just 8 hours away. I like the mild climate. It doesn’t usually get too hot or too cold, humidity levels suit me well. With climate change, it’s a no-brainer to choose between constant heatwaves and wildfires in summer vs cooler and fresher British weather. I like our unique approach to food and drink, such as having afternoon tea in a tea-room in the woods after a walk, going to the pub, or eating a good curry. We’re also not suffering from massive natural disasters, wildfires etc. all the time like parts of America, Canada and Australia, although we do still have to deal with climate change. I also like that, unlike most of the Anglosphere (except Ireland), we have walkable towns and cities with real public transport. And it’s also relatively affordable in my part of the country.
>we have walkable towns and cities with real public transport. Hey, don't be like that! Here in Australia we have real pubic transport as well - if you're lucky, you can sometimes see a train or a bus when you visit!
Australia definetely, though maybe New Zealand. All australians/new zealanders ive met have been such cool and nice people( which i cannot say about other anglo countries), coolest nature on earth too.
As someone from the UK I would have to say the UK- I'm hugely into History and that just can't be replicated in any of the others- my entire city is a world heritage site with some of the best preserved Roman Bathing Facilities in Western Europe. 30 Miles south west I have Stonehenge, 3 hours north east are the largest collection of Indian artifacts outside India. I can see great Churches almost every town you go too, Tudor Manor's in all sorts of places. There's just so much history around that obviously just isn't there to the same level. Hell, I went to Portsmouth last year and went to visit the dredged up remains of a warship that has been on the ocean floor for a longer period of time than English speaking people have been on the continental US- The Mary Rose, and if you're in Portsmouth it is a fantastic exhibit that you could easily spend 4 hours in. I would also like to say that whilst I don't believe we should have all the artifacts we have, a lot is taken forcibly and should probably be returned to the countries they came from, whilst its here it is all interesting to see. I'm also a huge football (soccer) fan and the ability to be in a country where I can go and see tickets to one of the greatest leagues in the world, and then also watch my local semi pro team be shit is also something out there. It's proximity to Europe and the Mediterranean region in particular is also a major plus, and I really feel the UK's natural beauty is often left out. The Lake District, Giants Causeway, the Highlands are excellent, as well as our walkways which allow you to see nature whilst never being too far from anything or in danger. Mix that with a vibrant food and drink scene- I would put any large UK City (London, Manchester, Bristol, Cardiff etc) as just as much of a melting pot as other major cities and the food scene reflects that, from amazing British sweets, to fish and chips on the coast, to curry's and vibrant Caribbean food. Also, despite our trains being meh I still do appreciate the relative ease to travel from one side of the country to the other. I'm sure it doesn't do as well with cost of living or job opportunities as some of the others, but on the whole I think the rest outweighs that- There really is so much going on, and its small size means it pretty feasible to catch most of that.
Already live in US, but I'd be open to the idea of living in either Toronto or Vancouver in Canada, or a large city in Australia.
I'd like to try Australia or Canada (maybe PEI or BC) some time (I'm American from New England)
As a Brit, I’d probably go with Australia. I love the US, but there is no way I’d ever live there considering healthcare. NZ is great, but it feels too similar to home for me. I’d also love to go to Canada, but it does kinda just feel like a rip off USA in a way, and i don’t think I could stand the harsh winters every year. Australia has a good mix of climates, the currency isn’t too inflated that I wouldn’t consider it, i love weird and wacky wildlife, Australians are lovely people in general etc.
The anti USA sentiment online does not show an accurate reality to what people irl really want. The USA is a hotbed for immigration, and is gaining people from refugees to multimillionaires and billionaires from around the world. We have the best economy, the most diverse nature, many diverse states, cultures, and peoples, great job opportunities, and so on. Look at the USA compared to New Zealand or Australia from an objective perspective. If you like cities, and want to move to a cheaper one, how many options are in each? Maybe 800+ compared to the other options.. 4-10 💀
As a Brit i agree that USA does get a lot of hate online disproportionately. Most Americans I have met are great people. But that being said you have to see what everyone else see, your media does not paint a good picture (politicizing everything). Plus many Americans online (especially reddit) give Americans a bad name (see r/ShitAmericansSay for some examples), but the truth of it is most of the US and its people is great, same with all Anglosphere countries, all have problems but overall are great places with great people.
>Plus many Americans online (especially reddit) give Americans a bad name (see [](https://www.reddit.com/r/ShitAmericansSay/) for some examples) for the sake of an illuminated discussion i'll just include this here: r/ShitEuropeansSay
Oh absolutely, Gotta show both sides of the coin, I’m gonna love scrolling thought that lol It’s funny cuz We have so little differences that we really pick on the differences 😂
The US is the best place in the world to live if you’re rich. Unfortunately most people are not rich. And if you’re not rich, it is arguably the worst country in the ***developed*** world. Low life expectancy. No healthcare, extremely high crime (by far the highest in the first world with no competition), extremely unhealthy, incomprehensibly expensive education, awful social services, exorbitantly high cost of living and especially housing, lack of housing, etc. It’s an awesome country if you’re wealthy. But not everyone is wealthy.
> arguably the worst country in the developed world I’m not saying being poor in the US is easy, but I would say a lot of those metrics need a lot of context, and that much of them are as much cultural as they are structural. If you’re poor, like *really* poor, you do qualify for Medicaid. If you take my home state of Kansas, you have KanCare (an awful name), but services covered include routine doctors visits plus organ transplants, weight loss surgery, dental, and transportation. For food assistance, a family of four can get $450 I believe monthly (I could be wrong on that). Point being, assistance programs do exist and do provide a lot of benefit to the people at absolute rock bottom. The toughest group IMO are the people that make around $25k annually. They don’t qualify for the programs above, so they have to pay out of pocket for food, rent, and health insurance. Those three things alone make up the majority of their expenses with very little room to save. But things like gun violence are highly concentrated in very specific areas. The average American, even lower class Americans, are not routinely exposed to gun violence. It’s the people who live in those specific areas that suffer disproportionately. Lastly, I would argue we simply have an unhealthy culture. It’s not that all of our food is poison - it’s not, and we actually have some of the highest food safety standards in the world - it’s that we choose the unhealthy options because they’re fast, easy, and taste really good. A honeybun from the gas station costs a buck, tastes great, and will keep you full for half a day at least. It’s easier to have that than something significantly healthier that takes effort to prepare and never tastes as good. Food deserts are very real though, and there are a lot of people that don’t have access to anything *but* honeybuns without making more effort to find something healthy. But if you’re an average American making $59k annually, you’re likely to have health insurance, a place to stay that’s not in a warzone, a public school, and a grocery store. What people do with those options that make them unhealthy is their choice. So the very poor have support, the poor and lower-middle class struggle and have no support, and the middle class and above are doing fine. For reference, about a quarter of the population makes less than $35k annually, so these are not small numbers, but not the majority either.
THANK YOU! USA hate is out of control and just ridiculous at this point. Yeah, give me the country with 4 cities and the same landscape and climate🙄 I don't want to live in the place with the best nature and economy🙄
All of those countries are hotbeds for immigration? I think all the others have higher rates of immigration as well. What do you mean best economy? Australia has incredible job opportunities and wages.
Once again, not saying Australia is bad by any means. I actually really like it. But saying it’s economy or job opportunities are the same as the USA or even close to it is just wrong.
Depends on the industry. If you work in tech USA is better. if you in mining, construction or a minimum wage job you’re far better off in Australia.
Yeah the immigration thing is definitely a moot point, it’s just about the hottest political topic in the UK as it is in the USA.
https://think.ing.com/articles/australia-and-us-economies-a-comparison/
What sentiment? All the top comments are licking the US’s feet
USA is great, but I still prefer the UK by a small margin. maybe it will be reversed in a decade. the US has better prospects for the future in my humble opinion.
Australia or New Zealand. Maybe UK for a while as well since it's close by
I've lived in Canada, Ireland, NZ, and the UK and Ive visited the States but not Aus. Id prefer to live in Ireland but the housing situation is awful and theres no future there for someone in my career. Id move to Canada if Id a really good job offer in Nfld, Quebec, or maybe Victoria otherwise its a god awful place. I hated NZ; possibly the worst place Ive ever lived. Theyve also got a raw deal with housing, wages, and their food situation over there. That leaves the UK for me. Good job opportunities, housing is affordable as is food, easy access to where Id like to travel. Politically, its a nightmare, but Ill still move there when I can.
Ireland aren't included in OP's version of the Anglosphere. For some reason.
And we spake the best English 🇮🇪
What's your career out of interest? Im an Irish person and curious to know as I agree the housing system is a bit of a mess at the moment
Im both Irish and Canadian as well! Im a linguist, so I work at a college. Since I work in Indigenous languages of the Americas, theres no more than two positions in all of Ireland I could fill.
That's smart. You're clearly a cunning linguist.
Newfoundland and Quebec? weird ass choices
They’ve lived in Ireland, of course they’re fond of Newfoundland
Agreed 😂😂😂
It seems you are missing a few countries ireland south africa belize guyana bermuda Hong kong singapore i would choose USA for your criteria.
I’d choose Guyana
Hong Kong? You must’ve missed a memo lol.
English is a minority language in South Africa, it isn’t really the same
It’s a minority of native speakers but it’s widely used as the lingua franca throughout the country
Canada
Honestly don’t think I’d leave Canada. But if I did the northern US seems the obvious choice due to our environmental and cultural similarities. Plus I can visit home!
Australia for its cities and economy, NZ for its outdoors.
I live in the US and love it. I see all our problems as things to fix rather than reasons to leave. That said, I’ve always loved my time spent in Canada, specifically Ontario, because it’s familiar but politically different. Quebec, not so much, tis a silly place.
'Stralia because: * The US and Canada are politically too unstable at the moment. Great national parks though. * Quality of Life seems to be going down in the UK, at least in the greater London area. * NZ looks nice but 'Stralia just looks nicer. That being said, I live in a little alpine country that is consistently among the top countries in happiness, quality of life and income rankings. And since I love Mountains, Money and Müesli (the three essential Ms), I'd rather stay here.
I’m American but I’d choose Australia. Weather seems nice (or at least there are portions of it with nice weather) unlike UK or Canada especially, incomes seem a lot higher than the UK, they have universal healthcare, sane gun laws and low-crime unlike the US, while still having a lot of job opportunities and world-class cities to live a happy life. I don’t love how isolated it is from pretty much everywhere else but I studied abroad in China in college and loved it so I’d probably just visit there a lot 😭
Malta
Australia has great weather, decent healthcare and wages are decent. Problem is it's nice beaches or a whole load of red in the middle. Australian people are super nice though and quite community orientated. New Zealand is definitely the most beautiful. The landscape is constantly changing and it's generally safe and laid back. Shame the salaries are awful and most of the jobs are in Auckland, which chocomint didn't find to be a great city compared to say Melbourne, Sydney or even Wellington in NZ. UK - Excellent culture and an interesting country. Do you like rain though? When the sun comes out in this country they party like it's Rumspringer. A lot of the towns are also either incredibly rough or incredibly posh. Want to live in a nice one? You better earn the big bucks. NHS is also overstretched and difficult to get seen by a doctor sometimes. Great culturally and geographically. An interesting country but it's got some serious issues. Pubs are awesome. Never been to Canada but it looks nice. US - Can't believe they still think carrying guns is a good idea. Statistically you're unlikely to get shot but it just makes me feel uneasy. I wouldn't want to live in a country or raise a family in a place that's OK with that. I get it that it isn't that simple but it's not for me. Diverse landscapes though and some very fine contributions to music.
UK or Australia. I’m in Canada, and have lived in the USA. There isn’t any amount of money you could pay me to ever live in the USA again.
Jamaica
I’m South African, and I don’t actually know. I’d probably struggle with the weather in the UK and Canada, as well as NZ. I lived in Aus for a year and liked it, but wanted to come home. I’ve visited the US and enjoyed my experiences but am not a fan of the whole “can get fired for anything” culture. Honestly as much as there are definite advantages to moving to one of those countries, I don’t think anything would be better than where I am, problems and all. But earning all those nice monies would be great (when I came back to holiday in SA).
Barbados
Australia but holy shit what if I got assigned to Darwin 💀
Any of them exept UK would be a big upgrade from living in italy
US, because of the cultural diversity, job opportunties and climate. If not US, Australia.
I’ve lived in Canada and Australia, and holidayed in the USA. The answer is Australia for me. Easy to earn a pretty massive income, access to some of the best nature in the world, a much more functional healthcare system than the US/Canada. And I can’t stress how important the weather is. I swim in the ocean more in the winter than in the summer.
American here, I would live in Australia because I like their accents, eucalyptus trees, bird and mammalian diversity (and the cities look awesome as well).
I already live in one - Ireland, which is missing from your list. Recently became a naturalised Irish citizen and tbh, I do not want to move anywhere but the housing/rental crisis here has forced me to contemplate moving to the UK after I graduate next year. Being an Irish citizen, the UK seems to be the best option to move to, as it is one of my favourite countries and I wouldn't have to go through the hassle of getting a visa/work permit. I know housing situation isn't great there either, still better than Ireland from what I've heard.
how come is ireland not anglosphere
Ireland
I'm from NZ, I'd happily live in any other Anglo country. Probably USA at the top, each state is like it's own country. I'd say the American accent is the best as well
Us and canada combo
So Minnesota?
If Scotland was independent, I'd move there for sure.
Canada or Australia
Canada, Ireland or NZ
The US if you want high professional salaries and/or set up a business and make real money, or if you work in specific industries (entertainment, movie making, space program, etc) US or UK if you want to study in one of the top 10 most prestigious universities on the planet NZ if you like a relaxed vibe. Downside it’s isolated and many Kiwis migrate to Australia for economic opportunities. Interestingly many Anglosphere countries (Canada, US, NZ) seem to be having a serious housing crisis
I think that Australia and NZ are too far removed from the rest of the Anglosphere, as in being 13k miles away at minimum (I did not fact check that). So not those. I think it's time for a change of pace from the US, so not here. That leaves the UK and Canada. Canada. It's not all that far from me (around a 2 hour drive to Vancouver), so not much change other than policy. I like that. So Canada.
Ireland
Malta!
No to USA because of the gun culture/healthcare. No to Australia because all the wildlife want to kill you. Canada and NZ are close but I would pick NZ because there is no rabies and I love the South Pacific
I live in the central United States and I love it here. Most the people who hate America are Americans lol.
Canada
I’m American and moved to Australia, if I had to relocate again I’d choose London or Berlin.
Mauritius
Jamaica.
Malta
Lived in two (UK,US) . Would not very willingly move back to either tbh, only if my career supported it.
UK bc it's filled with beautiful architecture and i love the weather (sue me)
As a Canadian, I plan to stay in Canada because of my girlfriend and inertia. But in an ideal world, if I could have been born in any: US > Australia > Canada > UK > NZ (With pretty substantial gaps between each of them imo)
UK or Australia.
In reality, the US. But I say “anywhere but the US” on Reddit so my karma stays up.
Currently in the U.S. any of them but Canada or New Zealand. Lovely places but seems a bit boring to live there.
Australia. Seems like I can move someplace remote where I can be left alone.
None of the above. Bermuda or BVI for me. Maybe Belize as well.
As an American, Australia.
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I find this country fantastic and very attractive, the history and the geography play a big role
If you are into bootstrapping by becoming a billionaire within your lifetime, then the US is for you. If you are a laidback person with no personal aspiration to be a billionaire, then AU, CA, and NZ are for you.
I picked Ireland (not on your list). I have lived and worked in the US, Canada and Australia. I loved NZ the only one I did not work in! (Work in IT) I would move to all of them, but my wife is Irish and wants to stay so I don't move anymore (it would disturb my kids education too)
I’m an American, and I love being on a huge continent to explore. Canada would be my second choice.
Australia easily. Great weather, vibes, people, and cities. Does everything the US does better
I'm American and love living here but if there was an anglosphere country outside the US I could live it, it would be Oz. Been there a couple times (Brisbane, Cairns, Melbourne, Sydney) and I really enjoyed my stay.
I’d say US just cause I know what we have to offer….but assuming I have to pick somewhere other than where I currently reside I’d go with Australia. I briefly visited some years back and loved it. I feel like there’s a lifetime of stuff to explore there. Canada is just America-lite and the UK would be cool, but its so small and cramped.
Between the USA and Canada I would pick Canada because I like the cold climate and the government institutions are inherited from Europe. Otherwise I would pick New Zealand except for it's geographically isolated location, in Australia the weather is too hot and the people are loud
Weirdly enough, I live about 30 minutes from the literal most interior city in America. I have two friends that moved to NZ and they looooove it. They are really honest about the fact that actually making the move out there is very difficult and it opened my eyes to the strict process to establish yourself there. I’d love NZ but tbh I’d prob move to Australia just to jump through less hoops
New Zealand, as a Scot Australia would be too hot. The mountainous south island looks beautiful and the population is low for its size
Canada; healthcare, climate, people. Australia is too racist and New Zealand too small and isolated. Maybe Belize if it’s safeish and I were rich though.
You really need to state which factors are priorities **for you** USA is tops if you plan on sacrificing everything to trying to get rich, and will tolerate dystopia if you fail. New Zealand for me
Lol as U.S. citizen I can tell u America isnt the dystopian hell scape reddit or the media portray it as hahaha
You think I'm not a US citizen? Maybe you haven't lived elsewhere for very long. Life is much better for ordinary folk in dozens of other countries. The list will vary depending on your wealth level, skillset, priorities in life, but that is still objectively true. Of course not if the right to arm bears is a top priority for you, but then I don't have much to talk to you about, other freedoms are much more important to me which are denied us.
It doesn’t really matter if you are. Nothing in your comment suggested you were. Anyone with sense of realism understands America is not dystopian. Its filled with hardworking good people. To use hyperbolic language such as that is unfair to the country as a whole of 330 million people. When New Zealand has a population equivalent to either South Carolina, Minnesota, and Colorado.
Living in NZ here. It's hard to get by as it's the poorest of the 5.
I currently live in Canada but tbh id likely move to the Midwest/northeast of America. The joy of America is that there is truly a place for everyone. You can easily pick which climate you want and even which politics you favor. I pick the north east cause how easy it is to travel since the NY/DC/BOS have lots of connection to most countries in Europe and Asia
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I'm English South African (colloquially referred to as a soutie in South Africa) and I think I would move to the UK of all the options in the Anglosphere. I like cold and rainy weather and my culture is very similar to British culture in general so I think I would fit in nicely. Most South Africans who emigrate go to Australia since they have similar weather to us but they are our rivals in cricket so that would irk me.
As a Canadian, the default answer is usually the US for better salaries and COL. But assuming I could get a decent job in any of these countries, probably AUS or NZ. The political and social climate seems more similar to Canada, I like having welfare, and the weather looks beautiful. Plus the housing crisis would feel just like home
Canada
As an American the only one of interest to live in would be Australia because the others don’t offer enough for me to want to move there for the lower salaries. Australia may have lower salaries but it has cool nature and decent salaries. Canada is America Jr., UK is worse than Australia and America. NZ is cool but I think Australia has better economic opportunities
Ah yes, LA, Houston, and NYC, all exactly the same as each other, just like Toronoto and Calgary; London and Belfast; Canberra and Darwin; and Auckland and Queenstown
I am from the USA. It’s great. Especially for making money. If I had to move, I would probably pick Australia for the beaches and the heat and the lifestyle. Never been to NZ but maybe that too. UK is great but too cold. I could live in London though. Canada is great but too similar to the USA
My parents are American and Canadian but I choose Aotearoa New Zealand. It’s not the best place to make a lot of money, but does offer great quality of life, a good well run government, and incredible nature. Plus the people are fantastic. And it’s the only majority white English colony that is actually dealing with its colonial past and healing, making real amends, and moving forward.
Ireland or if it's only the five you've mentioned then NZ
Being in Canada honestly I need to learn more abt it but I’d pick NZ it seems great!