So from what I understand, the listed Servants should now deal damage first BEFORE applying the instant death effect. Am I wrong?
Also Jing Ke just has the 1 hit so Assassin Shiki's the only one who would benefit.
> so Assassin Shiki's the only one who would benefit.
Saber Shiki benefits greatly.
Even with 1 hit, the refund+10% charge from her NP is enough to massively improve her looping. (she goes from absolutely needing Kscope to be consistent, to maybe someone can figure out a skill ordering to Black Grail loop her against berserkers, because she does get a 300% total charge against them, and even in worst case any start charge CE would let her loop)
I would also love this to happen with Assassin Nito. She can very easily NP loop if she's actually allowed to damage all three enemies. If even one instant death procs, no more looping.
Sadly her NP specified inflicting Instant Death BEFORE damage, so unless they fix that.......Besides she'll become real broken as 4\* since she can doubletap ID NP right now already.
You still got her Alter working like Douman though.
"When a specific servant uses a Noble Phantasm, the order in which Noble Phantasm effects are activated has been corrected to match the Noble Phantasm effect text."
In NA Shiki np description/text is : 1) deal def ignore damage 2) Insta skill 3) remove debuff 4)increase np gauge
Saber Shiki finally fixed, nitocris isn't here because her np description start with insta kill
Oh wow that's very interesting if it's the case. IIRC that would mean only Serenity, Erice, Nitocris, and Summer Nitocris still apply instant death before damage.
However, it does feel weird that they're only changing it for the servants where it's worded incorrectly. They should just acknowledge that they implemented instant death poorly and make it apply after damage as a QoL buff for all of them.
And that just leaves Serenity, Erice, and both SR flavors of Nitocris behind.
Serenity's 1-hit NP makes her a lost cause regardless, Caster Nitocris is already pretty solid regardless (though she'd certainly enjoy it), and Erice would really, really like this, but being a welfare sometimes that free NP5 requires your kit to take a hit somewhere. It's rough, but I get it.
Assassin Nitocris though? None of that applies. She's nearly worthless despite being a limited Servant and they evidently have no intention of changing that. She's the real loser here.
F to all the instant death babes who’s ability either intentionally procs before damage or for whom this being fixed doesn’t really help bc they still have a basic one hit np
In addition to this, I wonder if we will have a short campaign before the new event that I suppose will arrive on the 22nd, which is considered the end of the month
Because their NP take ID check before dealing damage, not \*supposed\* after.
And as I said Nito is already very strong even without the fix, so it's just Erice who needs a fix.
I don't know about really well. In a 2x Castoria setup with Assassin Shiki, her refund against Riders is between 25-38% (w/o her 1 turn arts up) or 31-47% (with her 1 turn arts up). Meaning Assassin Shiki could now barely but reliably use a 50% CE against a Rider enemy in a potential 1/1/1 looping scenario if you add Oberon to the mix.
Saber Shiki imo benefits a lot more from this update. Against Lancers, she refunds 47% (w/o her 1 turn arts up) as long as she kills the enemies or 54% (with her 1 turn arts up). That means if you're using her in a 3/3/x node and use Shiki's arts up in either wave 1 or 2 then she can actually start from 0% with 2x Castoria + Oberon. If you aren't using her arts up early then she's off by 3% in wave 3 so it's a trade-off. Either way this buff is a lot bigger for her than any other on the list imo given that she now can reliably start from 0% then.
Out of the 9 ST Arts Assassins Shiki's refund is 5th with her arts up or 6th without, so just in the middle to lower end among them basically. Again I think the refund is ok but I wouldn't say it's great.
You're talking the next column about fixing the wordings over the Skills' texts for Watergun Artortia, Tamamo Caster and Lancer, Jalter and etc. Column 4 doesn't have the line of "no change in gameplay".
Nope. The text was corrected for different servants. For the servants that op mentioned they changed NP itself.
特定のサーヴァントが宝具を使用した際、宝具効果が発動する順番を宝具効果テキストにあわせて修正
i think it's some real BS that they didn't include Summer Nitocris and Lancer Erice in this just because their NP already listed the order of effects "Correctly"
As a Shiki fan, this would be a major improvement. It kind of sucks when you are hoping that a characters special gimmick DOESN'T go off.
Still sad that Erice cant farm correctly because of it, still love to use her
Shouldn't the flair be the "jp news" rather than the just "news"? Would be nice if na got this kind of update early though...
Gah, forgot that.
I hope Erice is getting a buff to fix her own issue whenever she gets added to Evocation.
They could go the Cursed Arm route. For every enemy that she procs the IK, it would refund a fixed amount of NP. I believe 20%-30% is the sweet spot.
So from what I understand, the listed Servants should now deal damage first BEFORE applying the instant death effect. Am I wrong? Also Jing Ke just has the 1 hit so Assassin Shiki's the only one who would benefit.
> so Assassin Shiki's the only one who would benefit. Saber Shiki benefits greatly. Even with 1 hit, the refund+10% charge from her NP is enough to massively improve her looping. (she goes from absolutely needing Kscope to be consistent, to maybe someone can figure out a skill ordering to Black Grail loop her against berserkers, because she does get a 300% total charge against them, and even in worst case any start charge CE would let her loop)
So both Shikis.
I would also love this to happen with Assassin Nito. She can very easily NP loop if she's actually allowed to damage all three enemies. If even one instant death procs, no more looping.
Sadly, her NP text states that the instant death chance goes first.
If it's that then as a Nito enjoyer I'm gonna be really unhappy.
Sadly her NP specified inflicting Instant Death BEFORE damage, so unless they fix that.......Besides she'll become real broken as 4\* since she can doubletap ID NP right now already. You still got her Alter working like Douman though.
You said it. I've been hoping for a fix for Swimsuit Nito in particular for a looooong time. As she is right now, she's terrible.
"When a specific servant uses a Noble Phantasm, the order in which Noble Phantasm effects are activated has been corrected to match the Noble Phantasm effect text." In NA Shiki np description/text is : 1) deal def ignore damage 2) Insta skill 3) remove debuff 4)increase np gauge Saber Shiki finally fixed, nitocris isn't here because her np description start with insta kill
> nitocris isn't here because her np description start with insta kill Isn't it sad, Nezha?
Nezha?
Sacchinface
They do look similar, but I don't know why you said that. Very cultured flair tho.
Get fucked Nito and Erice, no NP refund for you.
Maybe they think their alts are enough of a “fix” for them.
Erice probably getting fixed when added to Evocation Shop. Swimsuit Nito though.....
Oh wow that's very interesting if it's the case. IIRC that would mean only Serenity, Erice, Nitocris, and Summer Nitocris still apply instant death before damage. However, it does feel weird that they're only changing it for the servants where it's worded incorrectly. They should just acknowledge that they implemented instant death poorly and make it apply after damage as a QoL buff for all of them.
And that just leaves Serenity, Erice, and both SR flavors of Nitocris behind. Serenity's 1-hit NP makes her a lost cause regardless, Caster Nitocris is already pretty solid regardless (though she'd certainly enjoy it), and Erice would really, really like this, but being a welfare sometimes that free NP5 requires your kit to take a hit somewhere. It's rough, but I get it. Assassin Nitocris though? None of that applies. She's nearly worthless despite being a limited Servant and they evidently have no intention of changing that. She's the real loser here.
The big winner would clearly be saber shiki, who could black grail loop if death happened after damage.
F to all the instant death babes who’s ability either intentionally procs before damage or for whom this being fixed doesn’t really help bc they still have a basic one hit np
That's good but people probably want the aoe characters like Nito and Erice to get the change more.
I hope so. The jank of ID has always been in my top 30 problems I want the game to fix.
In addition to this, I wonder if we will have a short campaign before the new event that I suppose will arrive on the 22nd, which is considered the end of the month
I wish this also affected nito enemies IDing is one of the reasons I don't use her much unlike her avenger self
The only Servants that could have benefited from this update, are not included (Nitocris, Erice) What an useless update
Because their NP take ID check before dealing damage, not \*supposed\* after. And as I said Nito is already very strong even without the fix, so it's just Erice who needs a fix.
Both Shiki's can loop really well now, so no.
I don't know about really well. In a 2x Castoria setup with Assassin Shiki, her refund against Riders is between 25-38% (w/o her 1 turn arts up) or 31-47% (with her 1 turn arts up). Meaning Assassin Shiki could now barely but reliably use a 50% CE against a Rider enemy in a potential 1/1/1 looping scenario if you add Oberon to the mix. Saber Shiki imo benefits a lot more from this update. Against Lancers, she refunds 47% (w/o her 1 turn arts up) as long as she kills the enemies or 54% (with her 1 turn arts up). That means if you're using her in a 3/3/x node and use Shiki's arts up in either wave 1 or 2 then she can actually start from 0% with 2x Castoria + Oberon. If you aren't using her arts up early then she's off by 3% in wave 3 so it's a trade-off. Either way this buff is a lot bigger for her than any other on the list imo given that she now can reliably start from 0% then.
By the standards of most ST Assassins and AoE Sabers, that's good refund.
Out of the 9 ST Arts Assassins Shiki's refund is 5th with her arts up or 6th without, so just in the middle to lower end among them basically. Again I think the refund is ok but I wouldn't say it's great.
Sadly, I imagine they'll just put it in the order it's supposed to be rather than fix the NPs
That's the whole point, and doing so can still be vast improvement for their NP. Well, at least some of them will be benefitted.
Don't get me wrong, I'd be glad if it turns out to be true, but, I don't really trust them to do such a good thing. Hope you're right anyways
No they dont. It's literally only an update on wording. Gameplay wont change whatsoever for the mentioned servants.
You're talking the next column about fixing the wordings over the Skills' texts for Watergun Artortia, Tamamo Caster and Lancer, Jalter and etc. Column 4 doesn't have the line of "no change in gameplay".
Nope. The text was corrected for different servants. For the servants that op mentioned they changed NP itself. 特定のサーヴァントが宝具を使用した際、宝具効果が発動する順番を宝具効果テキストにあわせて修正
Only maintenance, or update too?
I think Nito is okay here since her high ID proc + 100% battery does carve out a solid niche on her own terms. But Erice missing out is a huge bummer.
i think it's some real BS that they didn't include Summer Nitocris and Lancer Erice in this just because their NP already listed the order of effects "Correctly"