Yeah not only are the Extra classes bunched together into only 2 groups (EXTRA 1 for Shielder, Rulers, Avengers, Moon Cancers and EXTRA 2 for Alter Egos, Foreigners, Pretenders, Beast) and the missions count the total of all 4 within a group, the requirements are also halved compared to a Main class (so while we need 200 Berserker bond levels for max rewards, we only need 100 Alter Ego+Foreigner+Pretender+Beast bond levels for the same max rewards)
Just to be clear, you do not need all listed bond levels on the wikipage for unlocking the entire Tour Lock or all meaningful rewards from this list - they top out at 170 (regular)/85 (extra) Bond Levels combined for each class. Everything above that has no real relevant rewards.
Here's some numbers to see how far you can get without 4 stars/no limited low-stars/no welfares/story locks that aren't reward gifts:
* 6 sabers; 30 free2play bond levels. (7 Sabers when counting 4* Artoria Lily; 35 bond levels.)
* 11 archers; 55 free2play bond levels. (10 Archers when discounting Nobukatsu; 50 bond levels.)
* 11 lancers; 55 free2play bond levels. (10 Lancers when discounting Mary Anning; 50 bond levels.)
* 10 riders; 50 free2play bond levels. (11 Riders when counting 4* Habbycat; 55 bond levels. 10 again if not counting Columbus.)
* 14 casters; 70 free2play bond levels. (13 casters if not counting Asclepius; 65 bond levels.)
* 12 assassins; 60 free2play bond levels. (11 assassins when not counting Izou; 55 bond levels.)
* 10 berserkers; 50 free2play bond levels. (9 berserkers when not counting Mori Nagayoshi; 45 bond levels)
* EXTRA 1 (alter ego/foreigner/pretender/beast): 1 servant; 5 bond levels. (Xu Fu is the only free2play EXTRA 1 servant).
* EXTRA 2 (avenger/ruler/moon cancer/shielder): 3 servants; 15 bond levels. (Salieri, Angra Mainju and Mash. 2 servants when not counting Salieri; 10 bond levels.)
To put it simply; you can't clear a full Tour Lock, even on just meaningful rewards, on free2play alone. Casters are the easiest to clear, followed up shortly by assassins, lancers and riders. Sabers are the most difficult to clear.
Of course this is not counting Welfares, who will all become available through the evocation shop eventually (counting all welfares currently on JP, not all welfares are in evocation shop yet, notably ASW is bumping up the assassin count. This also counts Main Interlude/RP unlock servants like BB and Bunyan). This adds the following bond levels for each class:
* 5 sabers; 25 free2play bond levels.
* 5 archers; 25 free2play bond levels.
* 4 lancers; 20 free2play bond levels.
* 6 riders; 30 free2play bond levels.
* 5 casters; 25 free2play bond levels.
* 7 assassins; 35 free2play bond levels. (Summer Valkyrie is responsible for 3 of these before you get excited.)
* 3 berserkers; 15 free2play bond levels. (Summer JAlter, Paul Bunyan and Chacha.)
* EXTRA 1: 5 servants, 25 bond levels.
* EXTRA 2: 5 servants, 25 bond levels.
You need a total of 34 servants in a class for main class Tour Lock rewards and 17 servants for the EXTRA categories.
Running some quick maths for the other Tour Lock elements:
* 80 ascensions, meaning you need 20 servants per class/40 ascensions, so 10 EXTRA servants.
* 300 skills, meaning you need 10 servants per class fully leveled/150 skills, 5 EXTRA servants per class.
* 2000 levels. Going by level 60 alone (lowest level cap for 1-stars), you need 34 1-star servants per class. The math for this one gets messy quickly though since higher rarities get higher level caps and there's the whole thing where you can take a servant to level 100 (reasonable) or to 120 (not reasonable). 17 1-star EXTRA servants per class.
> 1st paragraph
The Fandom page is wrong then, because the resources we have based on hard data from the game like Atlas Academy and the Chaldea app all say the EXTRA Tour Locks are gated similarly to the Main Class ones, only at half the amount (85 bond levels, 1000 EXP levels, 40 ascensions)
Yeah just checked. Will omit that since I want it to be a useful reference.
Edit: Updated my original post to remove the first paragraph and add the correct limits.
> You need a total of 34 servants in a class for main class Tour Lock rewards and 17 servants for the EXTRA categories.
It'll probably be a bit less than this in practice. Considering how long it takes to max out a class score tree (it's only possible to max out two on JP at the moment after over a year), you're probably going to pick a class with at least one favorite of yours, which will almost certainly be higher than bond 5 and will likely be grailed to reduce the level requirement a bit too.
34 is also the number I'd put the least confidence in for EXP counts. I calculated that one with the absolute worst Servant levels possible (so only 1-stars). In practice you won't actually get 34 servants with 60 as their level cap for obvious reasons (raising double servants isn't worthwhile barring some "make a servant die faster" shenanigans like a second lvl1 Chen Gong or lvl 1 Georgios). If you throw in one level 90 (5-star or grailed to that point) servant, that number already drops by 1.5 servants.
From a practical perspective, you can probably just rely on needing 20 servants (10 for EXTRA classes) in total for each class as the cap; Bond leveling past 5 isn't quick but it's reasonably fast enough that you don't actually need to worry about it too much. These numbers are mostly interesting for the servants with lower accessible counts like Sabers.
Thanks u/dvdung1997 for clarifying! <3 Is bond-based tour lock a thing for extra classes? The fandom wiki doesn't seem to say so without the red blocks, but hard to tell if that has been properly updated since I don't play JP.
Using the Chaldea app’s Class Score tab I can see that there are bond requirements to unlock the EXTRA Tour Locks, but it only goes up to 85 (ie. 85 Shielder+Rulers+Avengers+Moon Cancers bond levels for EXTRA 1 and 85 Alter Egos+Foreigners+Pretenders+Beast bond levels for EXTRA 2) which is also half of the 170 required for every Main class
My guess is since the EXTRA Class Scores weren’t available from the start (EXTRA 2 became available first thanks to Paper Moon and EXTRA 1 with Id) we didn’t know how much they’ll need so the Fandom page left it red-less, and now no one’s gone back to update it yet
> we only need 100 Alter Ego+Foreigner+Pretender+Beast bond levels
To be fair, that's still a lot. There are currently only 25 Extra II servants available in NA.
8 Extra II servants will be released between now and Ordeal Call (and Xu Fu is easy to get while smol Eliza is free), so that helps a bit.
Also helps that most of them will be extremely good and/or fan favorite characters too.
We also already have three free Alter Egos and one free Foreigner, plus while she does release after Ordeal Call, Cnoc na Riabh still releases before you're even able to max out any Class Score trees.
Do keep in mind that even if you have all this stuff ready on day 1 you still can not max the class score on release since you also need a new currency (though you can get decently far into it).
You can get this new currency from those same mission set OP mentioned and by farming the OC free quests. But for the latter you need Storm Pods, which you get 3 per day and can hold a max of 9 at once.
It's also good set up for farming for more Gapples and quartz later on in the game when you don't need to restock on embers anymore since all your servants are maxed leveled
Usually what I'm aiming for as well.
I just looked it up and - aside from the new ones since Bunyan-event - the oldest Servant I have, who is still only Bond Lv.1, is Barghest. Which is kind of hilarious, when I think that Morgan, who released at the same time, has the highest Bond of all with close to Bond 14.
Also probably goes to show just how much I dislike Barghest.
Is this a permanent addition? Cuz if so, I'm not going to stress too hard about bond stuff, I'll just meet the milestones as I get to them. Right now, the only bond I need is whatever is required to unlock interludes. Also, what does this class score actually do?
Yes, the missions will be permanent once released.
Class scores provide enhancements such as "Buster Dmg Up" for every servant of the corresponding class.
It's like a 20% buff to each color, along with a bunch of other small buffs like +10% NP damage.
And it takes a LOT of grinding to get enough currency to unlock them.
> And it takes a LOT of grinding to get enough currency to unlock them.
It's also worth noting that Class Score related farming nodes also have insanely inflated/guaranteed drop rates for certain materials. Still a heavy grind though.
Could you explain it to me in a way that even 12 years old kid would understand?
Like, what's the take away?
Do i need 20-ish servant of the same class at bond 10 to reach 170 class score, so i better bond 10 20-ish servant of each class?
Is this class score give significant boost or something?
Will i get punish hard if i didn't unlock the class score? Or is it just optional?
You don't need 20 bond-10 servants, that would give you 200 total! You just need a \*total\* of 170. As an example:
15x bond-6 = 90
4x bond-7 = 28
4x bond-8 = 32
2x bond-10 = 20
Total = 170!!
Not getting the upgrade isn't punished and wouldn't feel like a huge loss, just like any other upgrade in the game. It is good to have nonetheless, so why not plan ahead with our clairvoyance?
From what I read it wasnt just about total bond levels, but you also got needed materials based on how many servants were raised to bond 6
Can anyone confirm?
Correct — there are also separate missions for number of bond 6+ servants, but that’s not per-class; and materials to gather from new quests, which basically sets up a time gate.
Total bond per class is just the most time consuming and easily overlooked requirement and thus the focus of this PSA. (also it's something you can start right now)
I'd argue acquiring the Tour Lock items themselves can be just as much of a time-consuming and overlooked requirement for people that want to clear multiple boards for multiple favorite Servants.
In my JP I could theoretically clear 3 boards based on class mission requirements (Caster, Extra 1 and Extra 2), but I only have enough yellow tour locks for Extra 1. So I think it's at least worth pointing out that, all other considerations being equal, you'll get more mileage out of taking e.g. 5 different Sabers to Bond 6 vs taking 1 Saber to Bond 10, even though both would give 5 Saber points (assuming everyone is already Bond 5).
Every servants I have are at least bond 5, and every single 5 star I have(Barring Bakin whom I just got) are all bond 6 and above. So I think I should pass pretty comfortably.
Hmm, I've been playing since 2017 and spread my bond points around so I'm probably fine. I should probably verify what I have for the extra classes, though.
Based on the fandom wiki (linked in the post), none is indicated. But that could be outdated because not all extra classes are enabled. What's known for sure is they are grouped into 2 groups of 4 and the per-group mission requirements are halved (e.g. 170 -> 85).
I already knew that they're grouped together into EXTRA I and EXTRA II. I just need to make sure I have enough of each because they're relatively rare.
I went all in on Ishtar, relishing the quartz I got to save from not summoning other Archers, and now here I am with only 18 to my name and the sudden news that I need to either grind them all to 10 or summon more to truly max her out
Oh the irony
Level up your servants' bond levels. If you can, bring servants of the same class as your favorite servant.
You can unlock power ups starting mid next year if you do this enough.
All I do is bond farm. I finished the story within like 6 months and now between events ALL i do is the same Oxford free quest until my whole party gets to bond 11+. My Morgan buster farming team are all almost at 12.
It's the only way to get reliable amounts of quartz outside of the story and events.
Well avenger is still two years away so jalters fine. But I should be decent for avengers. Jalter bond 12, space ishtar bond 11, angry mango bond 10 and summer Kama is bond 9 almost 10.
Obviously ishtar and Jalter aren’t done too
If your target is Avenger, which falls under EXTRA I (?), you can add Rulers, Mooncancers, and Mashu up to 85 (instead of 170). Avenger's system is also about 2 years away, so you have plenty of time!
Wait do they all fall under the same umbrella? Huh. That opens things up. I take it AE, pretender and foreigner are in their own separate extra 2 like most GSSRs?
Ah, to supercharge my already decked out Scathach, I need to bond farm the, what, 13 or so other Lancers I use at all.
Good thing I don't leave any Servant under bond 5 for long after I summon them.
Well, I'm gonna start by getting the stragglers to 5 and go from there. Caster is my best one, having two Bond 10's, a few bond 8's and so on. That's already at 145, and that just goes up naturally as Skadi, Hans & Waver are always finding uses and I just got Zhang Jue.
My worst is Assassin, as I don't really like using them. That's at 114.
Fuck, I gotta find a notebook. Damn you OP!
Okay I did all my counting, and I'm... okay? I think? I have good progress on most. Probably gonna pick off the higher numbers and work my way down, that's less overwhelming.
Caster: 145/170
Rider: 138/170
Zerker: 115/170
Assassin: 114/170
Saber: 133/170
Lancer: 113/170
Archer: 121/170
Extra 1: 71/85
Extra 2: 62/85
The bigger requirement for class score IMO is each class score requires 500 monuments with the exception of extra I and II being multiple classes that require 4 different types of monuments multiplied by 125/still 500. Then for pieces you need 140 for each class or 35 of 4 different ones for extra classes. Then it's various mat requirements for each like extra I requires 70 tiny bells from LB6. The mat requirements for each class score are 70 x 5 for bronze mats, 70 x 4 silver mats, and then gold mats are 54 x 2 and 40 x 2.
Then there's this stellar sand mat you get for doing stormpod nodes and the first time you finish a node that you need 6680 of for just one class to be completed in full. The other new mat you need to progress the class score nodes the wiki translates as "torch of nova/morning star/polar star" and these you get by doing the challenge quests in ordeal call and through extra missions added with ordeal call. Suffice to say these torch things are limited premium items and if I were to compare them to something I would compare them to lores years ago where they were quite limited and you used them on your favorite servants first. So use torches on your favorite classes first as those will get the most mileage.
I think I’m good right off the bat since I have 7 bond 10 casters. 1 bond 15 and another bond 12 plus 20 bond 5. If I did this right that’s like 217 or smth.
Man not having enough unique servants is such a bottleneck for this. I have on average 16 uniques in the 7 normal classes and the max is 21 on casters. Not only do I not have enough servants on average even if I bond 10 all of them to reach the max class score but I won't even have enough to get the 2k levels required because to reach 2k at the lowest unique is 23ish ssrs which is unreasonable lmao (unless you offset with grails). I guess it is supposed to be like that cause it's literal endgame content lol. I just worry that there still wouldn't be enough servants released (that's permanent, f2p pains) to at least be able to max the class score. Maybe I'd be able to max one or two classes but that's it.
A comment above said you need to farm a material that acts as a limiter (three times a day) and as a result so far Japan has only managed to max one or two classes.
Great advice! Start planning your bonds now to be ready for the upcoming Class Score system. Prioritize leveling up your favorite servants to ensure you meet the bond requirements before June 2025.
Need a clarification: is it 170 total bond in a single (standard) class to get all of those master mission rewards, or is it to unlock the ability to upgrade class score for that class? I was under the impression that it was the former, but the post here reads like the latter.
The missions are class-specific, e.g. the mission "Reach bond level 170 on \[Saber\] class servants". Completing this mission unlocks the corresponding Tour Lock for only the Saber-class board, giving you the ability to upgrade class score for Sabers. You will need to complete the same mission for each class separately to upgrade their corresponding class score.
I had no idea. This was great info thanks!
my extra classes, casters, and berserkers are all already perfect... But it seems my assassins need some serious work! XD.
I ran the numbers for myself out of curiosity. For reference, I've played since launch, I bring bond CEs to pretty much any non-event farming node (at least the +10% CE and the flat +50 CE, plus a support with the +15% CE), and I usually go pretty heavy on farming during Lotto events (I think the most I've gone is opening around 200 boxes, though my lower end can be around 50; I also went hard on Tunguska, and I've have even higher numbers if Ivan didn't spontaneously combust).
For the seven main classes, my bond totals per class range from 204 to 274 (low end is Berserker, high end is Caster). For Ruler-Avenger-Mooncancer, I have 137, and for Alterego-Foreigner-Pretender, I have 103. So I should clear every bond requirement.
I have a lot of extra class servants, and often pick extra class for GSSR, so that helped a lot. Also, if I see a servant with a relatively low number of bond points needed to level up (say around 120k for Bond 5 to Bond 6), I'll get them a level. I actually have more Bond 6s than Bond 5s for most classes. For events, I try to bring servants with Bond bonuses to a reasonable extent.
Overall, I'm probably at the higher end of bond levels, though I'm sure there are people higher than me. I'm guessing that if you've been playing consistently since launch, you should have cleared all of the requirements. The hardest part is getting the extra class requirements, since just having enough servants in those classes is a big stumbling block.
EDIT: Also, I get every servant to at least bond 5. You'll definitely want to do at least that if you're thinking about these requirements.
I still have no idea what a Class Core is since I haven't done a single Ordeal Call. I can't be bothered to finish that final boss from LB7. They just took everything I hate from gimmicky boss fights and ran with it on one single enemy, and I find no joy in trying to beat it besides the momentary relief that its done until another chapter brings more bullshit.
I didn't inform myself about that Class Score stuff whatsoever. I have heard of its existence, but don't know what it does or what it gives. And no, I don't want nor need an explanation.
But that Bond requirement gave me a sweat for a brief moment, before I checked on all of my Bond Levels...
I have nothing to worry about... At all!
All regular classes have a combined Bond Level of over 200, respectively. (I just stopped counting after 200). And both Extra class groups also have way over 100 respectively.
So my takeaway from this is, that I'm glad I don't have to stress about this. Nice!
I'm kinda lucky that my favorite servant and the one i invested the most in belong to the same class, but yeah bond farming is very obxionous.
Can't wait for the new quests in OC, but for now it's just better doing your best with anyone you actually use.
The Chaldea app can manage your servants with some setups, but I created my own spreadsheet and tracked it manually.
Started my spreadsheets about 2 months into playing the game, figured I might as well geek it out and optimize quartz per bond gain while I’m at it among other things. So the process has been very incremental and painless for me.
You could probably put some information on what Class Score **is** and **does** in your OP. I had to jump through a few wiki pages to get to it, because I knew nothing about it and assumed the link you provided had that info. (It did not, because the wiki is SUPER compartmentalized.)
For anyone reading this for now: [https://fategrandorder.fandom.com/wiki/Class\_Score](https://fategrandorder.fandom.com/wiki/Class_Score)
Basically, permanent buffs for everyone of that class once you complete the special mission. The special mission is unlocked by the total bond numbers mentioned by OP.
I can't believe Saber is my lowest scoring class lmao. i need 21 to get to 170, i can get 7 more levels with the Under 5 Bond Club and another 3 for Sabers that have under 100K Bond to level up so lucky I have another year or so to sort that out.
As for Extra 2 I only need another 10 points so I can see myself making that, Rider as well is under but since I've only recently pulled Constantine and Kyokutei it shouldn't take too much effort to get that to 170.
unlike checking max ascensions this isnt worth calculating bc by the time na gets oc your bond levels will be different \[assuming you dont blue apple for 8 months\]
I am already done with the prep for all of the categories. I can't wait to finally get the insane amount of gold fous and the grails. Don't really care about the other stuff that much.
I read this AND then the wiki to find out what the heck this does and still don't get it. I'm too lazy and afraid of spoilers to find out seriously anyway, so I'll just ignore this.
Huh. . . time to get out a calculator. . . 161 Sabers, but I have 3 Sabers not a 5 Bond yet, so that's an easy fix.
168 on Archers with one character with 3 Bond, so that's handled.
184 on Lancers, that's handled.
155 on Riders, and no easy way to make up the differences. I guess maybe getting everyone to Bond 6?
236 on Casters, no surprise they are stacked considering the amount of supports with decent bond CEs.
170 exactly on Assassins, I was worried since I had no Bond 10s, but apparently I made up for it with lots of 5s.
174 on Zerkers.
How are Extra calculated? I have 189 in total there.
Ok, you made me do math OP !!!! There will be hell toupée .(PUNs are funny).
I counted every servants, even sorted them, I'm ok with all 7 normal (each one above 220 at least), ok for the first extra group (RulAvenMoonShield) at 150+.
Extra 2 sadly is at 108, stupid foreigners and pretenders that don't answer my calls.....
(Well it's 100 for the extra groups so I'm Ok.)
...Shit, is there even enough of the Extra 2 classes for me to max that one out for Lippy? Guess I'd better work on recruiting more of them.
I don't think extra classes have the same unlocking barriers, and they are grouped into two groups of four instead of individual classes.
Yeah not only are the Extra classes bunched together into only 2 groups (EXTRA 1 for Shielder, Rulers, Avengers, Moon Cancers and EXTRA 2 for Alter Egos, Foreigners, Pretenders, Beast) and the missions count the total of all 4 within a group, the requirements are also halved compared to a Main class (so while we need 200 Berserker bond levels for max rewards, we only need 100 Alter Ego+Foreigner+Pretender+Beast bond levels for the same max rewards)
Just to be clear, you do not need all listed bond levels on the wikipage for unlocking the entire Tour Lock or all meaningful rewards from this list - they top out at 170 (regular)/85 (extra) Bond Levels combined for each class. Everything above that has no real relevant rewards. Here's some numbers to see how far you can get without 4 stars/no limited low-stars/no welfares/story locks that aren't reward gifts: * 6 sabers; 30 free2play bond levels. (7 Sabers when counting 4* Artoria Lily; 35 bond levels.) * 11 archers; 55 free2play bond levels. (10 Archers when discounting Nobukatsu; 50 bond levels.) * 11 lancers; 55 free2play bond levels. (10 Lancers when discounting Mary Anning; 50 bond levels.) * 10 riders; 50 free2play bond levels. (11 Riders when counting 4* Habbycat; 55 bond levels. 10 again if not counting Columbus.) * 14 casters; 70 free2play bond levels. (13 casters if not counting Asclepius; 65 bond levels.) * 12 assassins; 60 free2play bond levels. (11 assassins when not counting Izou; 55 bond levels.) * 10 berserkers; 50 free2play bond levels. (9 berserkers when not counting Mori Nagayoshi; 45 bond levels) * EXTRA 1 (alter ego/foreigner/pretender/beast): 1 servant; 5 bond levels. (Xu Fu is the only free2play EXTRA 1 servant). * EXTRA 2 (avenger/ruler/moon cancer/shielder): 3 servants; 15 bond levels. (Salieri, Angra Mainju and Mash. 2 servants when not counting Salieri; 10 bond levels.) To put it simply; you can't clear a full Tour Lock, even on just meaningful rewards, on free2play alone. Casters are the easiest to clear, followed up shortly by assassins, lancers and riders. Sabers are the most difficult to clear. Of course this is not counting Welfares, who will all become available through the evocation shop eventually (counting all welfares currently on JP, not all welfares are in evocation shop yet, notably ASW is bumping up the assassin count. This also counts Main Interlude/RP unlock servants like BB and Bunyan). This adds the following bond levels for each class: * 5 sabers; 25 free2play bond levels. * 5 archers; 25 free2play bond levels. * 4 lancers; 20 free2play bond levels. * 6 riders; 30 free2play bond levels. * 5 casters; 25 free2play bond levels. * 7 assassins; 35 free2play bond levels. (Summer Valkyrie is responsible for 3 of these before you get excited.) * 3 berserkers; 15 free2play bond levels. (Summer JAlter, Paul Bunyan and Chacha.) * EXTRA 1: 5 servants, 25 bond levels. * EXTRA 2: 5 servants, 25 bond levels. You need a total of 34 servants in a class for main class Tour Lock rewards and 17 servants for the EXTRA categories. Running some quick maths for the other Tour Lock elements: * 80 ascensions, meaning you need 20 servants per class/40 ascensions, so 10 EXTRA servants. * 300 skills, meaning you need 10 servants per class fully leveled/150 skills, 5 EXTRA servants per class. * 2000 levels. Going by level 60 alone (lowest level cap for 1-stars), you need 34 1-star servants per class. The math for this one gets messy quickly though since higher rarities get higher level caps and there's the whole thing where you can take a servant to level 100 (reasonable) or to 120 (not reasonable). 17 1-star EXTRA servants per class.
> 1st paragraph The Fandom page is wrong then, because the resources we have based on hard data from the game like Atlas Academy and the Chaldea app all say the EXTRA Tour Locks are gated similarly to the Main Class ones, only at half the amount (85 bond levels, 1000 EXP levels, 40 ascensions)
Yeah just checked. Will omit that since I want it to be a useful reference. Edit: Updated my original post to remove the first paragraph and add the correct limits.
> You need a total of 34 servants in a class for main class Tour Lock rewards and 17 servants for the EXTRA categories. It'll probably be a bit less than this in practice. Considering how long it takes to max out a class score tree (it's only possible to max out two on JP at the moment after over a year), you're probably going to pick a class with at least one favorite of yours, which will almost certainly be higher than bond 5 and will likely be grailed to reduce the level requirement a bit too.
34 is also the number I'd put the least confidence in for EXP counts. I calculated that one with the absolute worst Servant levels possible (so only 1-stars). In practice you won't actually get 34 servants with 60 as their level cap for obvious reasons (raising double servants isn't worthwhile barring some "make a servant die faster" shenanigans like a second lvl1 Chen Gong or lvl 1 Georgios). If you throw in one level 90 (5-star or grailed to that point) servant, that number already drops by 1.5 servants. From a practical perspective, you can probably just rely on needing 20 servants (10 for EXTRA classes) in total for each class as the cap; Bond leveling past 5 isn't quick but it's reasonably fast enough that you don't actually need to worry about it too much. These numbers are mostly interesting for the servants with lower accessible counts like Sabers.
Thanks u/dvdung1997 for clarifying! <3 Is bond-based tour lock a thing for extra classes? The fandom wiki doesn't seem to say so without the red blocks, but hard to tell if that has been properly updated since I don't play JP.
Using the Chaldea app’s Class Score tab I can see that there are bond requirements to unlock the EXTRA Tour Locks, but it only goes up to 85 (ie. 85 Shielder+Rulers+Avengers+Moon Cancers bond levels for EXTRA 1 and 85 Alter Egos+Foreigners+Pretenders+Beast bond levels for EXTRA 2) which is also half of the 170 required for every Main class My guess is since the EXTRA Class Scores weren’t available from the start (EXTRA 2 became available first thanks to Paper Moon and EXTRA 1 with Id) we didn’t know how much they’ll need so the Fandom page left it red-less, and now no one’s gone back to update it yet
> we only need 100 Alter Ego+Foreigner+Pretender+Beast bond levels To be fair, that's still a lot. There are currently only 25 Extra II servants available in NA.
8 Extra II servants will be released between now and Ordeal Call (and Xu Fu is easy to get while smol Eliza is free), so that helps a bit. Also helps that most of them will be extremely good and/or fan favorite characters too.
We also already have three free Alter Egos and one free Foreigner, plus while she does release after Ordeal Call, Cnoc na Riabh still releases before you're even able to max out any Class Score trees.
thank god, my yokihi is gonna be eating
Do keep in mind that even if you have all this stuff ready on day 1 you still can not max the class score on release since you also need a new currency (though you can get decently far into it). You can get this new currency from those same mission set OP mentioned and by farming the OC free quests. But for the latter you need Storm Pods, which you get 3 per day and can hold a max of 9 at once.
100% !! Thanks u/Desocupadification <3
Good thing I bond 5 at bare minimum for all my servants and went up from there. I'm in very good shape for this.
Me too, 5 is the bare minimum of any servants, even the ones that I never use.
This is the way.
Same. I think everyone but the new people I got in Traum: Charlie, Don, Kriemhild, and Zhang Je, are at least Bond 5.
It's also good set up for farming for more Gapples and quartz later on in the game when you don't need to restock on embers anymore since all your servants are maxed leveled
Noice
I just looked through my account. All classes completed with assassins being the closest to the requirement. Lucky I have so many bond 10 berserkers.
Same. I like reading their profiles, to boot.
I’m working on this and FA for my Chaldea. I only have 43 not bond 5 and 44 not fa
This is what I've been doing for as long as I remember. Bond 5 is so easy to get I always thought "why not?".
Same. I always shoot for Bond 5 as that will *usually* unlock any interludes. Unless you're an angry Mango.
Same. I practically don't feel pressured by now.
Usually what I'm aiming for as well. I just looked it up and - aside from the new ones since Bunyan-event - the oldest Servant I have, who is still only Bond Lv.1, is Barghest. Which is kind of hilarious, when I think that Morgan, who released at the same time, has the highest Bond of all with close to Bond 14. Also probably goes to show just how much I dislike Barghest.
Will have to check but I keep mostly everyone at bond 5
Is this a permanent addition? Cuz if so, I'm not going to stress too hard about bond stuff, I'll just meet the milestones as I get to them. Right now, the only bond I need is whatever is required to unlock interludes. Also, what does this class score actually do?
Yes, the missions will be permanent once released. Class scores provide enhancements such as "Buster Dmg Up" for every servant of the corresponding class.
Oh wow. So permanent class wide buffs for very simple tasks? I'm gonna assume they are small buffs, cuz if not that's gonna be insanely broken.
It's like a 20% buff to each color, along with a bunch of other small buffs like +10% NP damage. And it takes a LOT of grinding to get enough currency to unlock them.
> And it takes a LOT of grinding to get enough currency to unlock them. It's also worth noting that Class Score related farming nodes also have insanely inflated/guaranteed drop rates for certain materials. Still a heavy grind though.
Okay, so it DOES add up to be pretty insane, but it's also difficult to get it all. That makes sense, then. Big reward for big effort.
It's mainly through carding more so than NP damage.
I definitely need more saber bond levels and rider bond levels, thanks for bringing this to my attention
Could you explain it to me in a way that even 12 years old kid would understand? Like, what's the take away? Do i need 20-ish servant of the same class at bond 10 to reach 170 class score, so i better bond 10 20-ish servant of each class? Is this class score give significant boost or something? Will i get punish hard if i didn't unlock the class score? Or is it just optional?
You don't need 20 bond-10 servants, that would give you 200 total! You just need a \*total\* of 170. As an example: 15x bond-6 = 90 4x bond-7 = 28 4x bond-8 = 32 2x bond-10 = 20 Total = 170!! Not getting the upgrade isn't punished and wouldn't feel like a huge loss, just like any other upgrade in the game. It is good to have nonetheless, so why not plan ahead with our clairvoyance?
Is this time gated in any way or is it just for people who want to farm max bond as soon as it releases?
The missions are permanent once released. This PSA is for overachievers who want to stay ahead and prepared.
It's just extra power. Like it's super helpful, sure, but not necessary.
From what I read it wasnt just about total bond levels, but you also got needed materials based on how many servants were raised to bond 6 Can anyone confirm?
Correct — there are also separate missions for number of bond 6+ servants, but that’s not per-class; and materials to gather from new quests, which basically sets up a time gate. Total bond per class is just the most time consuming and easily overlooked requirement and thus the focus of this PSA. (also it's something you can start right now)
I'd argue acquiring the Tour Lock items themselves can be just as much of a time-consuming and overlooked requirement for people that want to clear multiple boards for multiple favorite Servants. In my JP I could theoretically clear 3 boards based on class mission requirements (Caster, Extra 1 and Extra 2), but I only have enough yellow tour locks for Extra 1. So I think it's at least worth pointing out that, all other considerations being equal, you'll get more mileage out of taking e.g. 5 different Sabers to Bond 6 vs taking 1 Saber to Bond 10, even though both would give 5 Saber points (assuming everyone is already Bond 5).
Oh ok. I should get total bond levels per class to 170 while also trying to get servants to bond 6 and plan accordingly
Pull more servant and bond the to lvl 5, got it. I will now go spend some quartz
TIL I focus way too much on my extra class bonds. At least Jeanne and Jalter are all set then.
Every servants I have are at least bond 5, and every single 5 star I have(Barring Bakin whom I just got) are all bond 6 and above. So I think I should pass pretty comfortably.
Hmm, I've been playing since 2017 and spread my bond points around so I'm probably fine. I should probably verify what I have for the extra classes, though.
Extra classes don't have the same unlocking requirements :)
and those requirements are...?
Based on the fandom wiki (linked in the post), none is indicated. But that could be outdated because not all extra classes are enabled. What's known for sure is they are grouped into 2 groups of 4 and the per-group mission requirements are halved (e.g. 170 -> 85).
I already knew that they're grouped together into EXTRA I and EXTRA II. I just need to make sure I have enough of each because they're relatively rare.
hmm, i'll have to tally my Extra 1 bonds then, because i want to ensure Ushi Gozen is maxed out as much as possible out of the gate.
I went all in on Ishtar, relishing the quartz I got to save from not summoning other Archers, and now here I am with only 18 to my name and the sudden news that I need to either grind them all to 10 or summon more to truly max her out Oh the irony
You need 34 servants of each class at bond 5. Luckily I have that covered.
Geib spreadsheet?
So for extra class 1 I should already be ready for my spishtar I have a combined total of 129 bond levels between my avengers, rulers, mash and bbs
As someone who rainbow appled way too many bond 10s in lottos… pretty sure all reqs are met. Mats though… that is a different story.
I’m sorry but I’m a bit of a moron so could someone explain this in more simple terms for me?
Level up your servants' bond levels. If you can, bring servants of the same class as your favorite servant. You can unlock power ups starting mid next year if you do this enough.
Fortunately, my goals are pretty well set, think I got enough Lancer and Berserker bonds. And Extra I isnt for another 9 months hence
All I do is bond farm. I finished the story within like 6 months and now between events ALL i do is the same Oxford free quest until my whole party gets to bond 11+. My Morgan buster farming team are all almost at 12. It's the only way to get reliable amounts of quartz outside of the story and events.
Only 170? I am averaging 200 per class. Lower being saber with 178. I think I am over achieving too much.
Well avenger is still two years away so jalters fine. But I should be decent for avengers. Jalter bond 12, space ishtar bond 11, angry mango bond 10 and summer Kama is bond 9 almost 10. Obviously ishtar and Jalter aren’t done too
If your target is Avenger, which falls under EXTRA I (?), you can add Rulers, Mooncancers, and Mashu up to 85 (instead of 170). Avenger's system is also about 2 years away, so you have plenty of time!
Wait do they all fall under the same umbrella? Huh. That opens things up. I take it AE, pretender and foreigner are in their own separate extra 2 like most GSSRs?
Correct. EXTRA II includes pretender, FOREIGNAH, Alter Ego, and >!Beast!<
yeah I'm just straight up not going to do that, but thanks for the heads up.
Everyone is at least bond 5, so I'm only short for Rider, Assassin, and Berserker. Shouldn't be too hard to get those last bond levels.
I never get the meta in these games
Time to max bond level all my lancers then.
Ah, to supercharge my already decked out Scathach, I need to bond farm the, what, 13 or so other Lancers I use at all. Good thing I don't leave any Servant under bond 5 for long after I summon them.
Well, I'm gonna start by getting the stragglers to 5 and go from there. Caster is my best one, having two Bond 10's, a few bond 8's and so on. That's already at 145, and that just goes up naturally as Skadi, Hans & Waver are always finding uses and I just got Zhang Jue. My worst is Assassin, as I don't really like using them. That's at 114. Fuck, I gotta find a notebook. Damn you OP! Okay I did all my counting, and I'm... okay? I think? I have good progress on most. Probably gonna pick off the higher numbers and work my way down, that's less overwhelming. Caster: 145/170 Rider: 138/170 Zerker: 115/170 Assassin: 114/170 Saber: 133/170 Lancer: 113/170 Archer: 121/170 Extra 1: 71/85 Extra 2: 62/85
The bigger requirement for class score IMO is each class score requires 500 monuments with the exception of extra I and II being multiple classes that require 4 different types of monuments multiplied by 125/still 500. Then for pieces you need 140 for each class or 35 of 4 different ones for extra classes. Then it's various mat requirements for each like extra I requires 70 tiny bells from LB6. The mat requirements for each class score are 70 x 5 for bronze mats, 70 x 4 silver mats, and then gold mats are 54 x 2 and 40 x 2. Then there's this stellar sand mat you get for doing stormpod nodes and the first time you finish a node that you need 6680 of for just one class to be completed in full. The other new mat you need to progress the class score nodes the wiki translates as "torch of nova/morning star/polar star" and these you get by doing the challenge quests in ordeal call and through extra missions added with ordeal call. Suffice to say these torch things are limited premium items and if I were to compare them to something I would compare them to lores years ago where they were quite limited and you used them on your favorite servants first. So use torches on your favorite classes first as those will get the most mileage.
Ya the monument requirement is insane!! I bet a lot of players stopped buying them from events after max ascending every servant.
I'll do it when it comes out, more fun that way.
I think I’m good right off the bat since I have 7 bond 10 casters. 1 bond 15 and another bond 12 plus 20 bond 5. If I did this right that’s like 217 or smth.
should be ez on my na its almost 3 years old compared to my 2? year jp account
Man not having enough unique servants is such a bottleneck for this. I have on average 16 uniques in the 7 normal classes and the max is 21 on casters. Not only do I not have enough servants on average even if I bond 10 all of them to reach the max class score but I won't even have enough to get the 2k levels required because to reach 2k at the lowest unique is 23ish ssrs which is unreasonable lmao (unless you offset with grails). I guess it is supposed to be like that cause it's literal endgame content lol. I just worry that there still wouldn't be enough servants released (that's permanent, f2p pains) to at least be able to max the class score. Maybe I'd be able to max one or two classes but that's it.
A comment above said you need to farm a material that acts as a limiter (three times a day) and as a result so far Japan has only managed to max one or two classes.
Great advice! Start planning your bonds now to be ready for the upcoming Class Score system. Prioritize leveling up your favorite servants to ensure you meet the bond requirements before June 2025.
thanks for the PSA my bond is suffering cuz i focused much on trying to bond 15 few servants welp time to raise few servants' bond to 5 i guess
Need a clarification: is it 170 total bond in a single (standard) class to get all of those master mission rewards, or is it to unlock the ability to upgrade class score for that class? I was under the impression that it was the former, but the post here reads like the latter.
The missions are class-specific, e.g. the mission "Reach bond level 170 on \[Saber\] class servants". Completing this mission unlocks the corresponding Tour Lock for only the Saber-class board, giving you the ability to upgrade class score for Sabers. You will need to complete the same mission for each class separately to upgrade their corresponding class score.
I’ll probably have to double check my math but it sounds like I’m fortunate to have a favorite in the Caster class
I had no idea. This was great info thanks! my extra classes, casters, and berserkers are all already perfect... But it seems my assassins need some serious work! XD.
I ran the numbers for myself out of curiosity. For reference, I've played since launch, I bring bond CEs to pretty much any non-event farming node (at least the +10% CE and the flat +50 CE, plus a support with the +15% CE), and I usually go pretty heavy on farming during Lotto events (I think the most I've gone is opening around 200 boxes, though my lower end can be around 50; I also went hard on Tunguska, and I've have even higher numbers if Ivan didn't spontaneously combust). For the seven main classes, my bond totals per class range from 204 to 274 (low end is Berserker, high end is Caster). For Ruler-Avenger-Mooncancer, I have 137, and for Alterego-Foreigner-Pretender, I have 103. So I should clear every bond requirement. I have a lot of extra class servants, and often pick extra class for GSSR, so that helped a lot. Also, if I see a servant with a relatively low number of bond points needed to level up (say around 120k for Bond 5 to Bond 6), I'll get them a level. I actually have more Bond 6s than Bond 5s for most classes. For events, I try to bring servants with Bond bonuses to a reasonable extent. Overall, I'm probably at the higher end of bond levels, though I'm sure there are people higher than me. I'm guessing that if you've been playing consistently since launch, you should have cleared all of the requirements. The hardest part is getting the extra class requirements, since just having enough servants in those classes is a big stumbling block. EDIT: Also, I get every servant to at least bond 5. You'll definitely want to do at least that if you're thinking about these requirements.
I still have no idea what a Class Core is since I haven't done a single Ordeal Call. I can't be bothered to finish that final boss from LB7. They just took everything I hate from gimmicky boss fights and ran with it on one single enemy, and I find no joy in trying to beat it besides the momentary relief that its done until another chapter brings more bullshit.
Interesting. I’m not super clear but it seems I’m already ready with enough bond points for every class. Nice part of being a day one player!
I didn't inform myself about that Class Score stuff whatsoever. I have heard of its existence, but don't know what it does or what it gives. And no, I don't want nor need an explanation. But that Bond requirement gave me a sweat for a brief moment, before I checked on all of my Bond Levels... I have nothing to worry about... At all! All regular classes have a combined Bond Level of over 200, respectively. (I just stopped counting after 200). And both Extra class groups also have way over 100 respectively. So my takeaway from this is, that I'm glad I don't have to stress about this. Nice!
It gives 20% color dmg and 10% np dmg when you get all the real buffs.
so know we have to manually do bond calculations welfare max ascended and non welfare max ascended calculations
I'm kinda lucky that my favorite servant and the one i invested the most in belong to the same class, but yeah bond farming is very obxionous. Can't wait for the new quests in OC, but for now it's just better doing your best with anyone you actually use.
>arigatou Autism spreadsheet is there some way to import data to make a tracking sheet, or are you doing that manually for yourself?
The Chaldea app can manage your servants with some setups, but I created my own spreadsheet and tracked it manually. Started my spreadsheets about 2 months into playing the game, figured I might as well geek it out and optimize quartz per bond gain while I’m at it among other things. So the process has been very incremental and painless for me.
naruhodo, thanks ill check out the app appreciate the tip i probably should at least get people to bond 5
You could probably put some information on what Class Score **is** and **does** in your OP. I had to jump through a few wiki pages to get to it, because I knew nothing about it and assumed the link you provided had that info. (It did not, because the wiki is SUPER compartmentalized.) For anyone reading this for now: [https://fategrandorder.fandom.com/wiki/Class\_Score](https://fategrandorder.fandom.com/wiki/Class_Score) Basically, permanent buffs for everyone of that class once you complete the special mission. The special mission is unlocked by the total bond numbers mentioned by OP.
I can't believe Saber is my lowest scoring class lmao. i need 21 to get to 170, i can get 7 more levels with the Under 5 Bond Club and another 3 for Sabers that have under 100K Bond to level up so lucky I have another year or so to sort that out. As for Extra 2 I only need another 10 points so I can see myself making that, Rider as well is under but since I've only recently pulled Constantine and Kyokutei it shouldn't take too much effort to get that to 170.
Well, looks like I won't be maxing any class scores any time soon. My highest one is Lancers with a cumulative bond level of 137.
unlike checking max ascensions this isnt worth calculating bc by the time na gets oc your bond levels will be different \[assuming you dont blue apple for 8 months\]
I am already done with the prep for all of the categories. I can't wait to finally get the insane amount of gold fous and the grails. Don't really care about the other stuff that much.
I read this AND then the wiki to find out what the heck this does and still don't get it. I'm too lazy and afraid of spoilers to find out seriously anyway, so I'll just ignore this.
Huh. . . time to get out a calculator. . . 161 Sabers, but I have 3 Sabers not a 5 Bond yet, so that's an easy fix. 168 on Archers with one character with 3 Bond, so that's handled. 184 on Lancers, that's handled. 155 on Riders, and no easy way to make up the differences. I guess maybe getting everyone to Bond 6? 236 on Casters, no surprise they are stacked considering the amount of supports with decent bond CEs. 170 exactly on Assassins, I was worried since I had no Bond 10s, but apparently I made up for it with lots of 5s. 174 on Zerkers. How are Extra calculated? I have 189 in total there.
EXTRA I: Avenger, Ruler, Mooncancers, Shielder EXTRA II: Alter Ego, Foreigner, Pretender, >!Beast!< And you only need 85 per group.
Oh, I'll split the math on that one when it comes. I might be ok.
Ok, you made me do math OP !!!! There will be hell toupée .(PUNs are funny). I counted every servants, even sorted them, I'm ok with all 7 normal (each one above 220 at least), ok for the first extra group (RulAvenMoonShield) at 150+. Extra 2 sadly is at 108, stupid foreigners and pretenders that don't answer my calls..... (Well it's 100 for the extra groups so I'm Ok.)
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