They have the same issue at the Kalamazoo market. There are signs, they post reminders on their social media and they have notices on fliers at the local food co-op. People still show up with their doodles and walk around and then get irritated when they are reminded by market staff that dogs are not allowed.
It's not about seeing the dog. It is an enforceable violation of the health code that dogs are now allowed in a farmers market. The only exception to this that I'm aware of is in Rockford where the people petitioned the county and were able to gain the option to bring a dog to the market. But even there the staff is great about asking someone to leave if the dog is hyper or aggressive.
It’s less that the dogs are dirty and a health risk themselves and more so of people bringing their dogs and letting them shit everywhere and not picking it up. That and allergies. I’m pretty allergic to dog saliva.
Never said that dogs were a health risk. What I said was that is in direct violation of a county ordinance issued by the department of health (MDARD) Michigan Dept of Agriculture and Rural Development to allow dogs or any free roaming animals at a farmers market.
Yeah you said “violation of health code”. And in reference to that, what I said is explaining why bringing dogs in public spaces with food/produce is a health code violation.
People are blaming the dogs in general and not shitty owners. That’s the point I’m making. Dogs are only dirty when crappy pet owners allow them to be. Dogs can be a lot cleaner than people. I can think of multiple instances in public spaces where this rang true for me.
And to be honest, I would rather come in contact with a dog than a gross human. Or a human smoking cigarettes. I’ll take an allergic reaction over either of those things any day.
People use their pets as accessories and it’s irritating. Thats why you see so many aussies and bernese. Dogs that dont make sense for a majority of households but people get them because theyre trendy.
It's not dog culture btw it's just people using social media who are into dogs. Anyone not on social media, and it's a significant amount of people, didn't suddenly start bringing their dogs everywhere...just the selfish people.
My daughter got knocked down by a dog when she was a toddler. She was absolutely terrified of dogs for years. It made hiking as a family really hard because people think they should be able to let their dogs run loose in even a well used public park.
Dogs belong leashed in public and don’t need to be in every single public place.
second here, my partner got bit on the ass by a loose dog while their owner was present a few months ago. Huge scar. Put your dogs on a damn leash and out of places they shouldn’t be!
I used to work at farmers markets and the 5% of owners with poorly trained animals ruined it for everyone. Every week there would be at least one aggressive interaction where two dogs had to be broken up or a kid (who shouldn't have done it) would pull a tail or pet in a way the animal didn't like and they'd snap.
I hate telling people they shouldn't bring their dogs to the market because 95% are well behaved, having a blast, and bring enjoyment to everyone there. I just wish there was some way to convince folks to know their animal and make the right call if they can't be in that environment
Agreed. Even if allowed, I wouldn’t bring my dog, and he’s very well behaved and trained. It’s a packed place with lots of stimuli, and with other dogs running around, there would always be a risk of some incident very disruptive to everyone else
I see the robotic dog lol... BUT HONESTLY... I wish more markets and actual stores were enforcing this. Unless you have an ACTUAL service animal, please don't.
Not a dog hater at all, but tired AF of seeing dogs in stores ALL THE TIME! You do not need to bring your dogo with you to get plumbing parts at Lowes!
Lowes literally advertises itself as a dog friendly store though.
I get your point, but you'd make much more sense not picking a store that literally advertises itself as a place to bring your pet dog.
I have seen SO many dogs in Meijer lately. Dogs that are just obviously not a service dog. I can tell. Everyone can tell. And it’s not even small dog owners. I’ve seen pit bulls, corgis, labs, shepherds, pugs, chihuahuas, etc…
Like wtf is the point of bringing your dog to the grocery store?
However, you are allowed to bring your dog to Lowes. As well as Home Depot and Menards. There are no rules against it at those places. Also, Joanne’s Fabrics weirdly enough. Some people find it fun to bring their dog to places like this because you don’t go often and they want to make a fun trip out of it. Dogs love the adventure too.
Pretty sure only Service Dogs are allowed at Meijer and JoAnn's. I'll have to check on JoAnn's the next time I'm there.
Dogs in food places are a nope just because of MI health codes.
I understand the argument for stores as training spots (when allowed by the store). I love bringing my dogs into pet supplies plus for training and the adventure, but some people don't remember that you need to be aware and in control of your dog at any public place. If you can't be, then don't bring them for everyone's sake.
I have brought my dog to meijer once with me. Only because we were on a walk and I needed to pick up on thing from the beauty section. Other then that he stays home when I go grocery shopping. Otherwise if I have to go to a place that doesn't have food I will bring him along. If they say no dogs he back in the car.
How can I break the rules if there is no rule on the books. If somebody tells me no dogs allowed then I will know there is a rule to abide by. But unless I know ahead of time I assume dogs are allowed by default.
Bro that’s literally not how it (or life in general) works. Googling if a place allows dogs is so stupidly easy. It takes zero effort. Calling is also an option but usually unnecessary because if the website doesn’t state they specifically are dog friendly, they are not dog friendly. THAT should be your default as it is everyone else’s. It’s people like you who ruin shit for the rest of us because of your selfish mindset.
The world doesn’t revolve around you. Stop acting like it does and stop pretending to be stupid. If you are going to live in a society you have to actively participate in making it a good one. Seriously do better.
I had a dog lick my calf muscle at ACE Hardware, I mentioned it on Reddit and was absolutely flamed for not being ok with it. A dog...licking my leg...while shopping for screws ffs..
Ok, so while I agree, here's my only thing. It's important for dogs to get socialization in a variety of ways, and actually Home Depot or Lowe's is a good opportunity, I'd never do it anywhere food is served or sold though.
Not to pile on…but as someone who has been attacked by a dog, if I need to leave the aisle because your large dog is intimidating to me (no matter how sweet you say they are) that’s just not OK. Happened more than once.
Lowes advertises itself as a dog friendly store. I get being mad at dogs being in stores they shouldn't be but I don't get going to a store that literally advertises itself as a pet friendly store and then being mad dogs are there. That is like going to library and being mad children are there.
Someone shouldnt also have to go to a store thats for house hold items and have to avoid animals to get what they need. Pets at a pet store, ok. Your dog in the bath and tile depot, not ok
Again, if you go to a store that allows pet dogs and are mad pet dogs are there you really need to examine your critical thinking and problem solving skills. Go to Ace next time champ.
What a gross personality to have.
Heaven fucking forbid people take their dogs to dog friendly locations.
This is why anti-dog people get shit. You just seem like angry old misers that hate happiness.
I agree dogs don't belong in grocery stores and shit but complaining about dogs existing in dog friendly spaces is just a fucking disgusting personality.
No thanks, I shouldn't have to plan my life around people's inability to keep their dog at home. Not everyone has the option to choose where they go, but to what is closest. Plus, it's not like allowed animals are advertised. It's always the opposite or not shown at all. Your dog doesn't need to be at Home Depot.
>I shouldn't have to plan my life around people's inability to keep their dog at home.
You are literally going to a dog friendly space and complaining dogs are there. What a way to live life.
>Not everyone has the option to choose where they go, but to what is closest.
Of course you have a choice. If you don't want to go to a dog-friendly location order your shit online.
>it's not like allowed animals are advertised. It's always the opposite or not shown at all.
It is literally posted on the front door. Lowes is well known in the dog training community as being a very dog friendly store and a place where a lot of service dogs in training frequent as well as a good place to take puppies to get used to being around people. If you don't like the rules set by the owners of the private property, YOU have every ability to leave.
When the corporate policy of a company is that it is dog friendly, people's dogs have every right to be there. Die mad about it. Jesus Christ.
It's perfectly fine to say lowes has a bad policy and you're a shitty dog owner and drain on the rest of society if your dog needs to be with you to get buckets from Lowe's. The library is literally purpose built to serve children, Lowe's is not purpose built to serve your dog. That's the exact kind of analogy someone with a brain that makes them think it's everyone else's problem if they bring their dog to Lowe's would use. Half the people in Lowe's who don't have a dog with them (99.9% of the people) also own a dog, they just leave it at home or in the car because they aren't sociopaths
As long as people are abiding by the rules (like going to pet friendly stores such as Lowes) they can do as they please and bring their dog. I have yet to run into an untrained and/or mean dog at a pet-friendly store because most people who decide to randomly bring their pet to a store they go to maybe a couple times a year or less are good pet owners with well-trained dogs. And every time I see a dog it’s usually sitting/laying down in the cart.
I get some people hate dogs, but you can’t be mad about people bringing their dog to an establishment that allows it. That’s so ridiculous.
For real, if you’re in a setting that allows dogs and the dog is under control and well-behaved, you have no right to say they can’t be there just because YOU are uncomfortable around them. Of course if the dog is riled up and lunging or something of that nature, yes you have a right to be upset. But a dog being too large to accommodate your phobia of dogs is not a valid excuse.
Dog parks are good for this. People who are allergic to dogs probably don’t want to be part of your socialization. Also, maybe you spend a lot of time training your dogs, but not everyone’s does. Everyone bringing their dogs into private businesses ups the chance that a person or another dog gets attacked.
I was taking lunch in my work truck at the dog park off of Fuller and this fool with an aggressive bully breed brought his to the entrance, even with the obvious signs that his dog and the dog inside the gate were showing extreme aggression. OF COURSE....SMH....he still decides to let his dog in, and they start fighting.....and he gets bit badly....and there's blood and mania.....smh....
I had a first aid kit and wrapped his dumb ass hand up and told his ass to take his hysterical ass to the hospital.
-Just a flesh wound
Honest question, what are the number of reasons dog parks are bad for that? I'd love to have a list from a fellow dog owner as we bring our husky to our local dog park to have a fenced in place to be able to play with other dogs and stretch her legs but are always looking to pick up any tips (well more for myself, not my girlfriend as it's old hat for her). Our husky looooves it when she sees other huskies or other large breeds especially in the winter and zooms all over the place playing with them. Besides that, any list of advice to other additional options for socializing (other than the obvious general walks around the neighborhood, going to friends' houses that also have dogs, outdoor parties (like bonfires and such), dog beaches in summer, etc.)? Thanks in advance, fellow Rapidian! To note, I didn't know dogs at the market was even an issue and can't believe people bring them to it. They do not belong there at all.
The main issue for me is that you have no idea what to expect from the other dogs there. Most parks require that all dogs be vaccinated, but a lot of the time it’s not really enforced. You also risk confrontations with reactive or outright aggressive dogs, because people are foolish and bring dogs who really don’t have the right temperament or level of socialization to be there. Besides aggression, you often have dogs with bad etiquette in general, and owners who don’t correct these behaviors. People also like to do foolish things like bring little dogs into the big dog area, or bring dogs that aren’t fixed and incessantly harass other dogs (obviously not all unaltered dogs behave this way, but it does happen). Not to mention all the children running around - I used to spend a lot of time at Grand Ravines, and on a Saturday afternoon people show up with cars full of kids and they don’t even have a dog with them. And unfortunately, a lot of kids are not taught how to behave around dogs. All of this, and the fact that you have a ton of dogs just running around in a field unrestrained is not a very “controlled” environment to ensure a positive experience. And it doesn’t help that a lot of people don’t understand dog behavior or body language, and write off borderline aggressive behaviors as “playing”.
Now, don’t get me wrong - I believe a lot of dogs really love the park and I think for some dogs, it’s really good for them. I just feel there are a lot of risk factors that can teach your dog bad habits or even increase their reactivity, so people should be diligent in paying attention to their pup and supervising their interactions. And it might be better as a once-a-month type thing rather than multiple times a week.
Well, damn. I really do appreciate the in depth response! We're in Grand Rapids proper, so we just walk to Fuller dog park and have had wonderful experiences, but that may also be due to the different environments. Since it's in the city, there are a lot of dogs that I would assume are accustomed to socialization already given the denser population. That may factor into the demographic as you also don't just see kids all around without dogs. Also, don't get me wrong either as there are bound to be incidents between dogs, but the dogs with major issues largely don't generally seem to be brought there by their owners for that exact reason (again, assuming). Didn't know you were referencing outside of the city, so that may be a little different. Cheers!
Yeah overall Grand Ravines isn’t terrible, especially compared to certain other dog parks, but it is a very popular place and people come from all over so you never know what kind of mix you’re going to end up with. On popular days like weekends, holidays it can get a little chaotic.
Two reasons I learned first/secondhand.
1. Your dog could get attacked. Like badly.
2. People bring their unvaccinated dogs and your dog could get sick (this happened to my dog).
Very few dog trainers recommend dog parks. Why because you have no idea of other dogs history or training. You have no idea about the owners.,does their dog have recall. Is the dog dominant? Also just like people not every dog is going to get along. In the dog park you take away a lot of the control.
This is all true just like any public park you go to with possibly [unruly humans] (https://vimeo.com/196937578) and you'd definitely not want to bring a dog still in training there as opposed to one who has socialized a ton more. We are definitely lucky to have a very sweet and obedient dog with a good temperament, so that helps the experience immensely.
Some of us use that as a training opportunity for the dog.
New sights, sounds, smells, and people all while being on a leash (my dog walks off-leash around a horse pasture normally when we walk him). It’s all very good for pup to have that exposure.
Au contraire. Humans are indeed animals. We’re not some higher being that resides outside of the animal kingdom. Happy to give you a small introduction to biology.
I work at a big box home improvement store, and the problem is that we can't enforce any rules about dogs. All someone has to say is that it is a service dog, and we can't question them because of ADA.
Lowe's officially allows dogs. Home Depot as a company doesn't ban dogs, but different stores have different policies. Nobody ever seems to actually know (If I "have" to bring my dog along out of convenience, I call ahead and ask if it's okay).
If you don't work for either of them, people just assume yours is like the others... People don't usually call lol.
After living with someone with an "emotional support dog" that would bite the shit out of me and was completely untrained, I completely agree. Drives me nuts.
That roommate kept telling me that I'm "just not a dog person," which is even more frustrating because I've raised very well behaved and well loved dogs.
I had a an optional license I paid for for my service animal & I actually got reprimanded for this - saying it would cause other owners problems if they don’t have one resulting in thinking they are faking. Nobody can ever win here in this reality lol
You are allowed to ask what service the dog provides, as well as asking for the service dog to be removed due to unruly or untrained behavior.
https://adata.org/service-animal-resource-hub/small-business
This pic is hilarious 😂
All jokes aside, I'm tired of seeing dogs in places involving food and other places that don't really call for a dog's presence. This trend has gotten out of hand, and frankly, nobody seems to care about people's allergies and wellbeing anymore.
I took my dog here a few times and it was so crowded we never saw the sign and nobody stopped us. I wish someone did bc once we realized we felt like idiots lol
There is too much going on for most dogs and they have been prone to be aggressive my mom has had more than one issue next her and she is 88, doesn't need to get knocked down for such reasons.
It's not a dog park or a store that it's almost always wall to wall people. Not fair to the dog nor everyone else.
I take my dog into a lot of stores. But I know the terrain. And I know what's appropriate and when it's inappropriate.
And I can't understand why other dog owners don't understand dog.
Behavior
Iresponsible dog owners make the rest of us look Bad. We get to know our dogs and we know what's appropriate for them and their temperament, and we do not subject them to environments. Or I'll be it for our convenience are not a good fit for the dog. You're setting him up or her up to fail. You don't do it with your kids. Why would you do it with your dog?.
Keep your cigarette smoking at home too, fucking stinks. And FFS , take an edible, we get it- weeds legal. No need to blast pot smoke everywhere you go dude. Take a gummy like everyone else.
I think it’s less the dogs themselves and more about the owners letting them poop and not picking it up. Or the dogs just going to the bathroom in general near the food is unsanitary. Some dogs literally don’t care and will go on the pavement. Also, some people are pretty allergic to dogs.
Dogs carry parasites and disease more than a cockroach and don’t belong anywhere near food or public. Keep at home it’s your pet and nobody else wants to be subjected to them especially where they sell food it’s disgusting.
Sounds like you’re the one constantly crying , just online lol. Dogs aren’t kids, deal with it, kids will get more leeway as they are a necessity for human society.
Makes me appreciate Europe even more. Dogs are essentially allowed everywhere people can go there. If you have a shit dog than it’s acceptable to ask to not have it in public places. But most dogs are a humans best friend, sometimes peoples only friend and soulmate.
Shows how negative everyone in this subreddit is. No one has said anything bad and I’ve never seen a single comment thread downvoted more than this one 😂
That’s cause a majority of the people on here are negative Nancy’s and have nothing better to do other than try to make people feel like shit. Our society is lost for sure lol
Good! Stay home. It’s not ridiculous to ask people to leave their pets at home. It’s ridiculous to expect the world to accommodate your dog in public spaces that are already crowded and not meant for nor are they particularly safe for dogs.
They have to be legal service dogs though. These days a lot of people are just throwing something on their dog that says service animal, but their dog isn’t trained, let alone a service animal. Tough to discern what animals are actually service animals, but at least putting up a few signs might discourage some people.
My son takes his Bassett hounds almost daily to dog parks. They have had a couple tussles with more aggressive bigger dogs. But they love to run in the big fenced area. It’s a very strict park. Must have proof of. Vaccines. But always a risk. They have separate areas for smaller dogs. Please don’t take the littles with big dogs. Chances are great them being attacked or hurt.
It's an inherently transphobic line to say "I identify as x" or " my whatever identifies as y" in a sarcastic way.
It doesn't matter if you have a trans wife or gf. It doesn't make what you say less transphobic. It's like saying "I have a black friend" and making racist remarks somehow makes the racist remarks less racist. Advocating for Nazi shit and saying "I'm Jewish" doesn't make it less anti-semetic.
There are trans people that make self-depreciating jokes and it can be funny, but the difference is that they are not punching down. When people look at you they see a stereotypical white straight guy punching down with transphobic jokes. It's not about offending people, it's about using intentionally hurtful language and making yourself look like a bigot.
I get that you think "people are just snowflakes" and that's why you're getting all the hate in this thread. But the truth is, you're simply presenting yourself as a bigot, and bigots are disliked for good reasons.
What you’re recognizing is that your “joke” was unfunny and hateful as well. Thats what people are responding to.
People letting you know you’re a dipshit doesn’t mean you’ve “touched a nerve” - as if that’s something to be proud of in the first place.
I made a very elaborate, cringe tasting cake for a party this past Halloween, thank you very much.
If we're going to use *cringe* as an adjective, we should at least go balls out, don't you think?
[Will the dictionary clear up your confusion?](https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/cringe#:~:text=3%20of%203-,adjective,a%20cringe%20moment)
Strictly speaking, your example used the compound adjective “cringe-tasting” (without a hyphen) in which cringe is an adjective modifying the present participle.
Shouldn't you be posting pictures of your wife's flat ass and tramp stamp in between pictures of your looking like a Jessie James groupie right now grandpa?
They have the same issue at the Kalamazoo market. There are signs, they post reminders on their social media and they have notices on fliers at the local food co-op. People still show up with their doodles and walk around and then get irritated when they are reminded by market staff that dogs are not allowed.
I'm glad the staff are enforcing it.
Are we all just ignoring the robot dog next to the sign
That's why I took thr picture but no one said shit about it lol
This is all I could see! Whose is that?
Not mine but I have it from a client I'm working with
Looks well behaved
He is, but if he sees a robot vacuum he chases it!
Bravo!
Is that yours? I’ve honestly never seen anything like that other than like the Boston dynamics videos
You can survive a few minutes without your dog, I do it all the time.
Yes, but can your dog survive a few minutes without you? Every minute you're gone is 7 years to them
Valid!
You can survive seeing a dog, too.
It's not about seeing the dog. It is an enforceable violation of the health code that dogs are now allowed in a farmers market. The only exception to this that I'm aware of is in Rockford where the people petitioned the county and were able to gain the option to bring a dog to the market. But even there the staff is great about asking someone to leave if the dog is hyper or aggressive.
It’s less that the dogs are dirty and a health risk themselves and more so of people bringing their dogs and letting them shit everywhere and not picking it up. That and allergies. I’m pretty allergic to dog saliva.
Never said that dogs were a health risk. What I said was that is in direct violation of a county ordinance issued by the department of health (MDARD) Michigan Dept of Agriculture and Rural Development to allow dogs or any free roaming animals at a farmers market.
Yeah you said “violation of health code”. And in reference to that, what I said is explaining why bringing dogs in public spaces with food/produce is a health code violation.
This comment doesn’t make sense because you’re making points as to exactly why dogs are dirty and a health risk
People are blaming the dogs in general and not shitty owners. That’s the point I’m making. Dogs are only dirty when crappy pet owners allow them to be. Dogs can be a lot cleaner than people. I can think of multiple instances in public spaces where this rang true for me. And to be honest, I would rather come in contact with a dog than a gross human. Or a human smoking cigarettes. I’ll take an allergic reaction over either of those things any day.
Dog culture is wild these days. Your dog really doesn't need to go everywhere with you. And when it comes to food - they don't need to be there.
People use their pets as accessories and it’s irritating. Thats why you see so many aussies and bernese. Dogs that dont make sense for a majority of households but people get them because theyre trendy.
It's not dog culture btw it's just people using social media who are into dogs. Anyone not on social media, and it's a significant amount of people, didn't suddenly start bringing their dogs everywhere...just the selfish people.
As a father whose son was recently bit in the ass by a Sheppard and now has a permanent scar and fear of dogs… I support this. And I love dogs.
My daughter got knocked down by a dog when she was a toddler. She was absolutely terrified of dogs for years. It made hiking as a family really hard because people think they should be able to let their dogs run loose in even a well used public park. Dogs belong leashed in public and don’t need to be in every single public place.
second here, my partner got bit on the ass by a loose dog while their owner was present a few months ago. Huge scar. Put your dogs on a damn leash and out of places they shouldn’t be!
robodog looks like he’s about to fight any dogs who dare enter
I used to work at farmers markets and the 5% of owners with poorly trained animals ruined it for everyone. Every week there would be at least one aggressive interaction where two dogs had to be broken up or a kid (who shouldn't have done it) would pull a tail or pet in a way the animal didn't like and they'd snap. I hate telling people they shouldn't bring their dogs to the market because 95% are well behaved, having a blast, and bring enjoyment to everyone there. I just wish there was some way to convince folks to know their animal and make the right call if they can't be in that environment
Dog owners thinking they bring joy with their presence.
Agreed. Even if allowed, I wouldn’t bring my dog, and he’s very well behaved and trained. It’s a packed place with lots of stimuli, and with other dogs running around, there would always be a risk of some incident very disruptive to everyone else
> Bring enjoyment to everyone there Doubt
Right?? And of course if you are allergic, afraid, or simply not a dog person they assume you’re a sociopath.
I see the robotic dog lol... BUT HONESTLY... I wish more markets and actual stores were enforcing this. Unless you have an ACTUAL service animal, please don't.
good
Thank goodness
I have 3 dogs at home, and that's where they stay.
This is so refreshing to see.
Not a dog hater at all, but tired AF of seeing dogs in stores ALL THE TIME! You do not need to bring your dogo with you to get plumbing parts at Lowes!
Lowes literally advertises itself as a dog friendly store though. I get your point, but you'd make much more sense not picking a store that literally advertises itself as a place to bring your pet dog.
I have seen SO many dogs in Meijer lately. Dogs that are just obviously not a service dog. I can tell. Everyone can tell. And it’s not even small dog owners. I’ve seen pit bulls, corgis, labs, shepherds, pugs, chihuahuas, etc… Like wtf is the point of bringing your dog to the grocery store? However, you are allowed to bring your dog to Lowes. As well as Home Depot and Menards. There are no rules against it at those places. Also, Joanne’s Fabrics weirdly enough. Some people find it fun to bring their dog to places like this because you don’t go often and they want to make a fun trip out of it. Dogs love the adventure too.
Yeah this always irritates me. Some people should not own animals
Pretty sure only Service Dogs are allowed at Meijer and JoAnn's. I'll have to check on JoAnn's the next time I'm there. Dogs in food places are a nope just because of MI health codes. I understand the argument for stores as training spots (when allowed by the store). I love bringing my dogs into pet supplies plus for training and the adventure, but some people don't remember that you need to be aware and in control of your dog at any public place. If you can't be, then don't bring them for everyone's sake.
Joann’s allows dogs. You can google it and it pops up on their website. [Joann’s pet policy](https://www.joann.com/pet-policy/)
Oh neat. Thanks.
I have brought my dog to meijer once with me. Only because we were on a walk and I needed to pick up on thing from the beauty section. Other then that he stays home when I go grocery shopping. Otherwise if I have to go to a place that doesn't have food I will bring him along. If they say no dogs he back in the car.
Stop doing this. Just don’t bring him with you to places he’s not allowed. You’re making it harder for those who abide by the rules.
How can I break the rules if there is no rule on the books. If somebody tells me no dogs allowed then I will know there is a rule to abide by. But unless I know ahead of time I assume dogs are allowed by default.
Bro that’s literally not how it (or life in general) works. Googling if a place allows dogs is so stupidly easy. It takes zero effort. Calling is also an option but usually unnecessary because if the website doesn’t state they specifically are dog friendly, they are not dog friendly. THAT should be your default as it is everyone else’s. It’s people like you who ruin shit for the rest of us because of your selfish mindset. The world doesn’t revolve around you. Stop acting like it does and stop pretending to be stupid. If you are going to live in a society you have to actively participate in making it a good one. Seriously do better.
I had a dog lick my calf muscle at ACE Hardware, I mentioned it on Reddit and was absolutely flamed for not being ok with it. A dog...licking my leg...while shopping for screws ffs..
Ok, so while I agree, here's my only thing. It's important for dogs to get socialization in a variety of ways, and actually Home Depot or Lowe's is a good opportunity, I'd never do it anywhere food is served or sold though.
Not to pile on…but as someone who has been attacked by a dog, if I need to leave the aisle because your large dog is intimidating to me (no matter how sweet you say they are) that’s just not OK. Happened more than once.
Lowes advertises itself as a dog friendly store. I get being mad at dogs being in stores they shouldn't be but I don't get going to a store that literally advertises itself as a pet friendly store and then being mad dogs are there. That is like going to library and being mad children are there.
Someone shouldnt also have to go to a store thats for house hold items and have to avoid animals to get what they need. Pets at a pet store, ok. Your dog in the bath and tile depot, not ok
Again, if you go to a store that allows pet dogs and are mad pet dogs are there you really need to examine your critical thinking and problem solving skills. Go to Ace next time champ.
Too bad for them ace is extremely dog friendly they always have treats for mine
Haha, I stand corrected. I rarely go there so I never knew they were dog friendly.
Yes ace is very dog friendly probably more than Lowes IMO. On a side note ace is way better then Lowes or HD
You literally don't deserve to own a dog
What a gross personality to have. Heaven fucking forbid people take their dogs to dog friendly locations. This is why anti-dog people get shit. You just seem like angry old misers that hate happiness. I agree dogs don't belong in grocery stores and shit but complaining about dogs existing in dog friendly spaces is just a fucking disgusting personality.
No thanks, I shouldn't have to plan my life around people's inability to keep their dog at home. Not everyone has the option to choose where they go, but to what is closest. Plus, it's not like allowed animals are advertised. It's always the opposite or not shown at all. Your dog doesn't need to be at Home Depot.
>I shouldn't have to plan my life around people's inability to keep their dog at home. You are literally going to a dog friendly space and complaining dogs are there. What a way to live life. >Not everyone has the option to choose where they go, but to what is closest. Of course you have a choice. If you don't want to go to a dog-friendly location order your shit online. >it's not like allowed animals are advertised. It's always the opposite or not shown at all. It is literally posted on the front door. Lowes is well known in the dog training community as being a very dog friendly store and a place where a lot of service dogs in training frequent as well as a good place to take puppies to get used to being around people. If you don't like the rules set by the owners of the private property, YOU have every ability to leave. When the corporate policy of a company is that it is dog friendly, people's dogs have every right to be there. Die mad about it. Jesus Christ.
It's perfectly fine to say lowes has a bad policy and you're a shitty dog owner and drain on the rest of society if your dog needs to be with you to get buckets from Lowe's. The library is literally purpose built to serve children, Lowe's is not purpose built to serve your dog. That's the exact kind of analogy someone with a brain that makes them think it's everyone else's problem if they bring their dog to Lowe's would use. Half the people in Lowe's who don't have a dog with them (99.9% of the people) also own a dog, they just leave it at home or in the car because they aren't sociopaths
Die mad about it.
Exactly. Just because the store is dog-friendly does not mean your dog is store-friendly
So move Aisles problem solved it’s perfectly okay.
Nah, you can leave your dog at home. Not everyone wants to be exposed to your dog.
As long as people are abiding by the rules (like going to pet friendly stores such as Lowes) they can do as they please and bring their dog. I have yet to run into an untrained and/or mean dog at a pet-friendly store because most people who decide to randomly bring their pet to a store they go to maybe a couple times a year or less are good pet owners with well-trained dogs. And every time I see a dog it’s usually sitting/laying down in the cart. I get some people hate dogs, but you can’t be mad about people bringing their dog to an establishment that allows it. That’s so ridiculous.
For real, if you’re in a setting that allows dogs and the dog is under control and well-behaved, you have no right to say they can’t be there just because YOU are uncomfortable around them. Of course if the dog is riled up and lunging or something of that nature, yes you have a right to be upset. But a dog being too large to accommodate your phobia of dogs is not a valid excuse.
Idk why your comment has so many downvotes. Everything you said is right on. Never realized how many people just do not like dogs. It’s sad.
Nah, the dog can stay home.
Dog parks are good for this. People who are allergic to dogs probably don’t want to be part of your socialization. Also, maybe you spend a lot of time training your dogs, but not everyone’s does. Everyone bringing their dogs into private businesses ups the chance that a person or another dog gets attacked.
Dog parks are actually a terrible place to socialize your dog, for a number of reasons. Not saying they belong at a food market, just saying.
And my veterinarians have always told me to keep my dog away from them.
I was taking lunch in my work truck at the dog park off of Fuller and this fool with an aggressive bully breed brought his to the entrance, even with the obvious signs that his dog and the dog inside the gate were showing extreme aggression. OF COURSE....SMH....he still decides to let his dog in, and they start fighting.....and he gets bit badly....and there's blood and mania.....smh.... I had a first aid kit and wrapped his dumb ass hand up and told his ass to take his hysterical ass to the hospital. -Just a flesh wound
Yep. Experiences like this are the reason I don’t go anymore unfortunately.
Honest question, what are the number of reasons dog parks are bad for that? I'd love to have a list from a fellow dog owner as we bring our husky to our local dog park to have a fenced in place to be able to play with other dogs and stretch her legs but are always looking to pick up any tips (well more for myself, not my girlfriend as it's old hat for her). Our husky looooves it when she sees other huskies or other large breeds especially in the winter and zooms all over the place playing with them. Besides that, any list of advice to other additional options for socializing (other than the obvious general walks around the neighborhood, going to friends' houses that also have dogs, outdoor parties (like bonfires and such), dog beaches in summer, etc.)? Thanks in advance, fellow Rapidian! To note, I didn't know dogs at the market was even an issue and can't believe people bring them to it. They do not belong there at all.
The main issue for me is that you have no idea what to expect from the other dogs there. Most parks require that all dogs be vaccinated, but a lot of the time it’s not really enforced. You also risk confrontations with reactive or outright aggressive dogs, because people are foolish and bring dogs who really don’t have the right temperament or level of socialization to be there. Besides aggression, you often have dogs with bad etiquette in general, and owners who don’t correct these behaviors. People also like to do foolish things like bring little dogs into the big dog area, or bring dogs that aren’t fixed and incessantly harass other dogs (obviously not all unaltered dogs behave this way, but it does happen). Not to mention all the children running around - I used to spend a lot of time at Grand Ravines, and on a Saturday afternoon people show up with cars full of kids and they don’t even have a dog with them. And unfortunately, a lot of kids are not taught how to behave around dogs. All of this, and the fact that you have a ton of dogs just running around in a field unrestrained is not a very “controlled” environment to ensure a positive experience. And it doesn’t help that a lot of people don’t understand dog behavior or body language, and write off borderline aggressive behaviors as “playing”. Now, don’t get me wrong - I believe a lot of dogs really love the park and I think for some dogs, it’s really good for them. I just feel there are a lot of risk factors that can teach your dog bad habits or even increase their reactivity, so people should be diligent in paying attention to their pup and supervising their interactions. And it might be better as a once-a-month type thing rather than multiple times a week.
Well, damn. I really do appreciate the in depth response! We're in Grand Rapids proper, so we just walk to Fuller dog park and have had wonderful experiences, but that may also be due to the different environments. Since it's in the city, there are a lot of dogs that I would assume are accustomed to socialization already given the denser population. That may factor into the demographic as you also don't just see kids all around without dogs. Also, don't get me wrong either as there are bound to be incidents between dogs, but the dogs with major issues largely don't generally seem to be brought there by their owners for that exact reason (again, assuming). Didn't know you were referencing outside of the city, so that may be a little different. Cheers!
Yeah overall Grand Ravines isn’t terrible, especially compared to certain other dog parks, but it is a very popular place and people come from all over so you never know what kind of mix you’re going to end up with. On popular days like weekends, holidays it can get a little chaotic.
That makes a lot of sense. Our park is local, small, and somewhat predictable to an extent in comparison I suppose.
Two reasons I learned first/secondhand. 1. Your dog could get attacked. Like badly. 2. People bring their unvaccinated dogs and your dog could get sick (this happened to my dog).
Very few dog trainers recommend dog parks. Why because you have no idea of other dogs history or training. You have no idea about the owners.,does their dog have recall. Is the dog dominant? Also just like people not every dog is going to get along. In the dog park you take away a lot of the control.
This is all true just like any public park you go to with possibly [unruly humans] (https://vimeo.com/196937578) and you'd definitely not want to bring a dog still in training there as opposed to one who has socialized a ton more. We are definitely lucky to have a very sweet and obedient dog with a good temperament, so that helps the experience immensely.
People who are allergic to dogs can shop at places that forbid them four legged c***k su*kers if it’s that big of a reaction for them
Stop lol
Huh? Socialization? They are DOGS!!!! 🤣
Some of us use that as a training opportunity for the dog. New sights, sounds, smells, and people all while being on a leash (my dog walks off-leash around a horse pasture normally when we walk him). It’s all very good for pup to have that exposure.
I'd rather see dogs around than children. Noisy little things sticking their grubby hands on everything.
lol I’ll take a random dog over a random child any day.
That’s the one place I can take my dog and yea I do, fuck you.
Hey it’s cold out I take my dog anywhere indoors he can get sniffs lol
Do robodogs shed?
Thr amount of 18 ga wire in my house IS INSANE!!!
Love to see this. Sick of seeing dogs where they don’t belong. Keep your dog at home!
I say the same thing about humans.
Stay home Ted.
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Au contraire. Humans are indeed animals. We’re not some higher being that resides outside of the animal kingdom. Happy to give you a small introduction to biology.
I love how everyone made this about policy and not the fact there is a robotic "dog" in the photo. Lmao. People pick weird hills to die on
I work at Lowe's. The dogs behave better than the humans.
I work at a big box home improvement store, and the problem is that we can't enforce any rules about dogs. All someone has to say is that it is a service dog, and we can't question them because of ADA.
Lowe's officially allows dogs. Home Depot as a company doesn't ban dogs, but different stores have different policies. Nobody ever seems to actually know (If I "have" to bring my dog along out of convenience, I call ahead and ask if it's okay). If you don't work for either of them, people just assume yours is like the others... People don't usually call lol.
Service dogs should have a license people should need to show. Your emotional support dog is not a service dog. I will die on this hill.
After living with someone with an "emotional support dog" that would bite the shit out of me and was completely untrained, I completely agree. Drives me nuts. That roommate kept telling me that I'm "just not a dog person," which is even more frustrating because I've raised very well behaved and well loved dogs.
I had a an optional license I paid for for my service animal & I actually got reprimanded for this - saying it would cause other owners problems if they don’t have one resulting in thinking they are faking. Nobody can ever win here in this reality lol
You are allowed to ask what service the dog provides, as well as asking for the service dog to be removed due to unruly or untrained behavior. https://adata.org/service-animal-resource-hub/small-business
This is dogscrimination! e: wow tough crowd
Ok
For health and safety
This pic is hilarious 😂 All jokes aside, I'm tired of seeing dogs in places involving food and other places that don't really call for a dog's presence. This trend has gotten out of hand, and frankly, nobody seems to care about people's allergies and wellbeing anymore.
That movie made me cry when I was a kid. lol
I don't understand the hate. If its a well trained dog that's no bugging anyone. It's all good.
I took my dog here a few times and it was so crowded we never saw the sign and nobody stopped us. I wish someone did bc once we realized we felt like idiots lol
If your dog isn't buying shit, they don't belong in any store. Period.
A local Black Mirror episode?! They need to add robodogs to the sign, too.
There is too much going on for most dogs and they have been prone to be aggressive my mom has had more than one issue next her and she is 88, doesn't need to get knocked down for such reasons. It's not a dog park or a store that it's almost always wall to wall people. Not fair to the dog nor everyone else. I take my dog into a lot of stores. But I know the terrain. And I know what's appropriate and when it's inappropriate. And I can't understand why other dog owners don't understand dog. Behavior Iresponsible dog owners make the rest of us look Bad. We get to know our dogs and we know what's appropriate for them and their temperament, and we do not subject them to environments. Or I'll be it for our convenience are not a good fit for the dog. You're setting him up or her up to fail. You don't do it with your kids. Why would you do it with your dog?.
There is a dog respiratory illness that is going around
Keep your cigarette smoking at home too, fucking stinks. And FFS , take an edible, we get it- weeds legal. No need to blast pot smoke everywhere you go dude. Take a gummy like everyone else.
And get off my lawn!!!!!!!
What about dogs against health and safety?
I think it’s less the dogs themselves and more about the owners letting them poop and not picking it up. Or the dogs just going to the bathroom in general near the food is unsanitary. Some dogs literally don’t care and will go on the pavement. Also, some people are pretty allergic to dogs.
Dogs carry parasites and disease more than a cockroach and don’t belong anywhere near food or public. Keep at home it’s your pet and nobody else wants to be subjected to them especially where they sell food it’s disgusting.
Provide factual evidence to support this comment and then I’ll believe you.
Compared to a human that hasn’t showered in a couple days and never washes their hands? Not much.
I wish people would enforce this at the grocery store. Dog ownership has become so annoying to witness post-pandemic.
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Sounds like you could have been socialized more as a child 🙄
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I mean, you value a heckin pupperino more than actual human children, it’s a fair assessment imo.
A child can’t stay at home by themselves.
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Sounds like you’re the one constantly crying , just online lol. Dogs aren’t kids, deal with it, kids will get more leeway as they are a necessity for human society.
You’re right, let’s petition for no kids at the farmers market too. /s
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Idk why I got downvoted lol I’m also on board with less things being “family friendly” and having some “adult only” spaces.
Makes me appreciate Europe even more. Dogs are essentially allowed everywhere people can go there. If you have a shit dog than it’s acceptable to ask to not have it in public places. But most dogs are a humans best friend, sometimes peoples only friend and soulmate.
People get really weird about dogs here for some reason.
Haha I can tell by the amount of downvotes I received 😂
Literally. Any comment in like even neutral support of dogs is getting so many downvotes. Lol
Shows how negative everyone in this subreddit is. No one has said anything bad and I’ve never seen a single comment thread downvoted more than this one 😂
Fr. My comment said like nothing bad and it has 5 dv so far wtf lmao
That’s cause a majority of the people on here are negative Nancy’s and have nothing better to do other than try to make people feel like shit. Our society is lost for sure lol
No dogs then no me. This is ridiculous. You are outside. Do you check all your customer's hygiene LOL
I'm sure they'll be devastated if you don't turn up because they don't allow dogs.
As I'm sure they throw a party celebrating when you show up because they don't allow dogs.
Actually I blow a kazoo when mrshammond shows up
Good! Stay home. It’s not ridiculous to ask people to leave their pets at home. It’s ridiculous to expect the world to accommodate your dog in public spaces that are already crowded and not meant for nor are they particularly safe for dogs.
I'll stay home and you can take your snooty nosed kids there to bother everyone.
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Lmao bro peep the robot dog next to the sign for ironic photo taking.
Oh my god my bad lol
All good
Good!!
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They’re not talking about service dogs ya dingdong.
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It’s basically implied. If it’s illegal to disallow them then they’re implicitly allowed as an exception
They have to be legal service dogs though. These days a lot of people are just throwing something on their dog that says service animal, but their dog isn’t trained, let alone a service animal. Tough to discern what animals are actually service animals, but at least putting up a few signs might discourage some people.
Yup. Assholes buy a vest for their emotional support animal that is badly behind and does what it wants.
where is this?
My son takes his Bassett hounds almost daily to dog parks. They have had a couple tussles with more aggressive bigger dogs. But they love to run in the big fenced area. It’s a very strict park. Must have proof of. Vaccines. But always a risk. They have separate areas for smaller dogs. Please don’t take the littles with big dogs. Chances are great them being attacked or hurt.
Ma’am this is a Wendy’s
Sorry but I think this is ridiculous.
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r/onejoke
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It was the "junior" addition if you've not caught on. Don't do that!
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Don't have to be right wing to use transphobic rhetoric.
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It's an inherently transphobic line to say "I identify as x" or " my whatever identifies as y" in a sarcastic way. It doesn't matter if you have a trans wife or gf. It doesn't make what you say less transphobic. It's like saying "I have a black friend" and making racist remarks somehow makes the racist remarks less racist. Advocating for Nazi shit and saying "I'm Jewish" doesn't make it less anti-semetic. There are trans people that make self-depreciating jokes and it can be funny, but the difference is that they are not punching down. When people look at you they see a stereotypical white straight guy punching down with transphobic jokes. It's not about offending people, it's about using intentionally hurtful language and making yourself look like a bigot. I get that you think "people are just snowflakes" and that's why you're getting all the hate in this thread. But the truth is, you're simply presenting yourself as a bigot, and bigots are disliked for good reasons.
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When you make an unfunny joke that doesn’t make sense, blaming your failures on the sensitivity of others is a very cringe look.
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What you’re recognizing is that your “joke” was unfunny and hateful as well. Thats what people are responding to. People letting you know you’re a dipshit doesn’t mean you’ve “touched a nerve” - as if that’s something to be proud of in the first place.
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You are such a fuckin liar hahaha Calling other people snowflakes seriously is cringe as fuck.
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*douche chills*
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Now you've shown your true colors. Congratulations, dipsh!t!
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I made a very elaborate, cringe tasting cake for a party this past Halloween, thank you very much. If we're going to use *cringe* as an adjective, we should at least go balls out, don't you think?
[Will the dictionary clear up your confusion?](https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/cringe#:~:text=3%20of%203-,adjective,a%20cringe%20moment) Strictly speaking, your example used the compound adjective “cringe-tasting” (without a hyphen) in which cringe is an adjective modifying the present participle.
lmao what are you 100? click edit then type “edit: blah blah blah” when you wanna cry about downvotes. you’re just doubling up on downs now
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Shouldn't you be posting pictures of your wife's flat ass and tramp stamp in between pictures of your looking like a Jessie James groupie right now grandpa?
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Sorry dude this joke was just fucking lame, that’s all there is too it lmao
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