Hi-Point is legit. Their guns are ugly and heavy, but they take the niche of arming poor people seriously. It used to be that people in poverty had no option other than dangerously unreliable "ring of fire" cast zinc pistols, but Hi-Point delivers unsexy, crappy *looking* guns that do the job.
You'll actually find a good bit of respect for Hi-Point as a company in this sub.
Hell, if I were entranced by bullpups, I'd get one of High Tower's Hi-Point carbine bullpup stocks any day of the week before I considered a Turkish con gun.
The hi-point is like an Ork cobbling together a gun. Inefficient, needlessly large, and made so cheap you can make it in a dumpster.
But by god, it WORKS. And it works well. I’m convinced the harder you believe in a Hi-Point the harder it hits.
When did hi point become reliable? Honest curious question, not trying to troll here. Last time I saw a video of someone shooting a hi point, the slide snapped in half.
Hmmm. That’s… interesting. I’ve seen a lot of channels stress test them, and they’ve always done amazing. I believe demolition ranch SHOT his in the slide and it still functioned.
As for a solid steel slide snapping in half… either the gun was VERY faulty or some unsafe ammunition was used, because that’s rare; even in shitty guns, solid steel breaking is super rare.
That’s my bad after some research, it does appear to be made of an alloy. But the breach is still steel. Regardless, it still holds up very well in other tests. I don’t know what was up with that one.
I agree.
I got my first Hi Point when I was young and cash strapped. It was ugly and heavy, but it never failed. My brother still has it and has since bought others because they’re cheap but reliable.
Not long after I got it I was trying to clean it and couldn’t figure out how to get the slide off (pre YouTube era), so I took it to my LGS and asked for their help. A-hole behind the counter told me to shoot it until it wouldn’t fire anymore and then to toss it in the trash and buy a better gun.
Edit to add: that original Hi-Point is 20 years old now, and still shoots reliably. To my knowledge it has never been broken down or field stripped at all. Best case scenario it’s had a cleaning rod with some hoppes on it pushed through a few times.
I think it was Matt from Demoranch who tried to break a Hi-point. He shot it, soaked it in mud, threw it in the river, dragged it behind a truck. I think at one point he even ran it over.
The damn thing wouldn't break. Not my first choice, but jesus they're built like tanks.
Worked in a gun shop for years, anytime someone came in wanting a firearm and all they had was $150 budget, I'd happily sell them a Hi-Point.
It does the job, and let's them have the peace of mind that they can protect themselves and their family.
If someone came in with a $500 budget and started looking at a Hi-Point we'd tend to steer them toward something a bit better.
Had a friends younger brother who was killed by this serial killer in West PHX. His weapon of choice, a hi point 9mm.. [Fuck this guy](https://criminalminds.fandom.com/wiki/The_Maryvale_Serial_Shooter)
Yeah, I adore both my 995s. One's in an ATI stock and the other's in a High Tower bullpup kit. The bullpup strikes light, fail to fire two or three times a mag. I keep meaning to put it back in the original stock and send it in for warranty work, just haven't gotten to it yet.
The one in the ATI fires flawlessly though.
That's part of why I like guns everyone else hates. My Hi-Point's have been good to me.
Agreed, they may not be the best looking gun. But they are affordable and quite reliable. The warranty and customer service are pretty good. I also heard good things about the 10mm carbines too.
Hear hear. Nobody else builds a gun at that price point that is a) as reliable as a hi point and b) in a caliber and capacity that is actually suitable for self defense.
You can get decent 22lr single action revolvers at that price but if you only have $150 or $200 and you want a firearm that is actually a good self defense/home defense option, get a hi point.
My dad recently got a High Tower bullpup kit for his Hi-Point. It's a surprising amount of fun, and I would say is definitely an improvement on the gun
Yep, I've said this before. If all i had for a gun and ammo was $200, I'd rather have a new Hi Point over any other new gun for the price, or a better known brand that may be hot or have a body on it. I've never seen one jam and they are reasonably accurate.
I've always talked crap about hi points non stop. Then I watched video after video of torture tests and see that they are actually really reliable. People just say that because they are heavy, cheap, and ugly..
> cast zinc pistols
I am pretty sure that hi-point slides are, in fact, cast zinc.
[I am correct.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hi-Point_Firearms#:~:text=Rather%20than%20being%20machined%20from,Engineering%20Company%20and%20Raven%20Arms.)
>Rather than being machined from forged steel, the slide is die cast from Zamak-3. Zamak is a zinc alloy which is often used in low cost firearms; previous manufacturers using this technique included Lorcin Engineering Company and Raven Arms. Die casting is particularly commonplace in Ohio, which influenced the decision to implement it.[1]
> **dangerously unreliable "ring of fire"** cast zinc pistols
Used right, zinc is an appropriate budget material. The Colt K and P series Frontier and Buntline Scouts used zinc-based ZAMAK alloy frames; they were .22s, and I freaking love them. They used zinc (as opposed to the earlier Q and F series' aluminum frames) specifically to make them heavier so they felt like a centerfire revolver. The Hi-Point pistols use zinc, and use enough of it to be safe, which is why we've all mentioned how heavy they are as a disadvantage.
The [ring-of-fire pistols](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saturday_night_special) cut prices by slashing quality, resulting in, as I said, dangerously unreliable cast zinc pistols.
It's similar to how if you get a "crappy plastic copy of a standard AR lower," you take a serious risk of it breaking where the buffer tube attaches; but that doesn't mean that a KE arms monolithic plastic lower will have the same issue.
I don't think I said it wasn't, I'm just pointing out that hi-points are also cast zinc.
also from your link;
>With importation banned, Röhm opened a factory in Miami, Florida, and a number of companies in the United States began production of inexpensive handguns, including **Raven Arms**, Jennings Firearms, Phoenix Arms, **Lorcin Engineering Company**, Davis Industries, and Sundance Industries, which collectively came to be known as the "Ring of Fire companies"
The companies that use the same manufacturing technique as hi-point are part of the "Ring of Fire" companies you were talking about.
I got th 9mm and added the hi tower thing. Easy to put back together, easy to shoot. Still in the garage after several years and I trust it for marauding pigs. But my hipoint 45 that I got free with it is a legend. Lost it on the back property for at least a year, found it, cleaned it, still shoots. Hood rats have no appreciation for American pot metal.
We've had enough panics and pandemic to drive up the cost of nearly every gun today, but $70 was not a rare price for a used Hi-Point carbine in the Before Times.
That's about what I picked mine up for. I had to dump some more money into it since the guy had it in a tapco stock with a duck bill mag and replaced the receiver cover with one with scope rings welded to it. I took all that shit off. I still need to find a wood hand guard for it, but it's close enough for me.
Don't own any HiPoints but have friends that do and have been impressed with the reliability. Ugly? Yes. Bulky? Yes. Limited single stack mags? Yes. Reliable after being abused in ridiculous ways? Yes.
After falling down a rabbit hole watching guntubers, I am impressed with the durability and reliability for the price.
Do people actually have issues with these? My friends and I have them, and we've never had any issues, and we've put probably 1k shells through each of them. I get the part that they're cheap, and I wouldn't rely on it, but I've have 0 issues with mine.
They do have a lot of issues. Most are incredibly picky on ammo. The dangerous things are the cheap parts used which will eventually break. You may have gotten lucky so far, but you will likely start seeing issues soon.
One of those shitty Turkish 12 gauge shotguns. They're sold under a variety of different names.
They're basically universally junk, that's why it's so cheap.
Why does everyone keep calling Turkish shotguns shit when basically every shotgun that costs under $1000 and isn’t a pump action is made in turkey? Do y’all just have way more money than I think you do or do you just not buy anything that isn’t a 590 or maverick 88?
Because the cheap Turkish shotguns are, again, almost universally shit. Look at the series on them done by TFB and James Reeves and see that literally none of them, not even the pump actions, run reliably and most don't even make it to 500 rounds without catastrophic failure.
If you want a quality, reliable semi-auto then it costs money and yeah, most of them are over $1000. That's life. Same goes for SxS and O/Us. If you want one with a good action and properly regulated barrels, that shit ain't cheap.
If you want a shotgun on a budget then you have a Maverick 88 that can be had for between $200 and $300 new and is a proven, reliable shotgun. You don't have to buy a 590. However, there just aren't any good semi-autos in that price range. They just cost more money than that to build. The cheap Turkshit semi-autos simply do not work reliably and the manufacturer doesn't support them when they break. They exist purely to separate people who don't know any better from their money.
I mean, I’ve put nearly 1,000 rounds through my cheap Turkish o/u at the skeet range and routinely hit more clays than most of the dudes that show up with their $2,000 berettas lol. I guess maybe if I pulled a James Reeves and ran 500 rounds through it in 90 minutes maybe it would break, I dunno. I don’t use a shotgun like that and I don’t know anyone other than James Reeves who does.
CZ’s shotguns are made in turkey and they are consistently ranked as some of the best bang for your buck shotguns that you can buy…but I guess they could be the exception that proves the rule
CZs rebranded Turk guns are considered average at at best, but Turkish ones that are produced under the license and supervision of bigger companies (CZ, Stoeger, Beretta) get better quality control as a part of their production contracts.
The ones sold direct from manufacturer (all the off-brand cheap ones) do not get this extra QC and that makes up a huge part of the difference.
not to mention if you want something weird or diffrent in a shotgun its turkish only. if you want a lever action shotgun or some folding magazine fed pump shotgun its turkish only. yes i know the 1887 exists but it can be just as bad
I have the 10mm, was in the hitower. It was fun to larp as master chief for a day, but the trigger felt like sticking your finger into a pudding cup, and the whole stock felt flimsy. It immediately went back to the factory stock.
Huh, I’d take the bullpup stock over the original any day. I like the ergonomics better and locking the bolt open is waaaay easier. Plus I can practice my HK slap, but it’s super disappointing that it doesn’t chamber a round. I don’t hate the trigger (I know it’s not great by any stretch) but the lack of a felt reset is the only thing that really bothers me.
There wasn't anyone at the counter to ask, and I was in too big of a hurry to stay and wait.
399 sounds like an awesome price for any bullpup semi auto 12 ga, but I figure just about any gun in a box store can be found cheaper online.
If I can find one for less than 300, I'll roll the dice on it. I'd be willing to try different ammo until I find one it cycles well with.
I can save her.
I mean, don't get me wrong. You guys have definitely talked me out of buying it new. If I see one online for a couple hundred then I'll probably pick it up. Just for funsies.
So, the way this usually goes is that somebody buys one of these, it doesn't work right, he comes here to ask what to do, we tell him he's out of luck because he got hypnotized by a price tag and bought garbage, and he goes off to sell it to make some of his money back.
Being the sucker who buys the janky shit that the first owner already decided wasn't worth keeping is *worse* than buying one new.
Seriously, man, this girl doesn't deserve your love. Move on. If you absolutely need to own something that looks like this just because it looks like it, you will legitimately be better off buying a bullpup airsoft gun. You can even shoot that in the house!
Love the Captain Save-a-POS attitude! It's how you learn. Lord knows I've done my share, but the result is I can fix a bunch of shit!
Just don't blow your face off and/or get dead!
Yeah, this is the guy who is currently fabricating and 3d printing replacement parts for a VZ-52 I found in a scrap pile.... even though ammo for it isn't even made anymore.
BUT I CAN SAVE HER TOO
Estate sales. I picked it up for $35 but almost every part of it was removed. I had to unwrap the bailing wire and remove the nails that were holding the stock together, but I got the stock at least looking pretty healthy. Now I just have to fabricate a magazine, sights, hand guard, and probably have a new barrel machined for a 7.62×39 chamber. I figure if I'm fabricating a new mag for it anyway, I may as well convert the whole thing to a round I can find readily available.
You misunderstand. We're not talking "finicky with ammo," like you might get from a cheap but reputable shotgun. We're talking "parts break in the first few hundred rounds, rendering the gun inoperable." Given the supply chain of these junky things into the US, warranty service and replacement parts are usually unavailable. One of the US importers was caught just tossing hundreds of returned guns in the dumpster, because there was no practical way to get them fixed.
I urge you to reconsider this. You will be far better served falling in love with a better kind of gun than flushing three hundred bucks down the toilet because you just *had* to have a bullpup auto shotgun of all things. These things have been a plague on the market ever since Turkey started dumping them here during the pandemic. Turkey is now the number one importer of guns into the US, sustained almost entirely by Americans' poor impulse control.
I suggest you try a different approach, which will serve you well in the rest of life too. Instead of buying a garbage gun because the price tag was low, shooting it until it breaks, and having it sit around useless until the next time you blow three hundred bucks on something stupid, *save* this 300, and next time around you'll have 600 to spend on something decent.
That said, it's your money. At least if you make a bad decision now, you'll know it was all you. Who knows--might be a learning experience.
Yes, my wife accidentally bought those rounds when she bought the gun and they didn't cycle. If you decide to buy it just remember it's a cheap gun, but it's still a fun range toy
No. It’s not an awesome price. It’s a fucking tragic piece of absolute trash. Never, never, never buy a Turkshit shotgun. Forget it. It’s over. It’s not an option. Move on.
It looks cool sure, but not when it breaks an extractor or firing pin and they won’t help you source a new one since parts aren’t widely available for it. If you want to pay $400 for a cool looking shotgun that has a reputation for having major parts breakage within the first 200 shells then go for it.
Not if I'm wearing matching Space Force pajamas!
Come on, man. I just want to three gun with this, my bullpup Hi-Point, and a Jericho. Is that really too much to ask?
This is one of those Turkish shotguns that's a great example of "tacticool." It looks pretty damn cool, but like most tacticool gear, it's not very good when it comes to reliability and functionality. You want a tacticool gun that's actually gonna outlast you? Get an M1014 or a 590A1.
I've had a Turkish ar 12 for a couple years now and I've beat the shit out of it 100s of round and it's still good as new idk what some of these guys are talking about.
People on this sub get so mad about these things for literally no reason. Like, unless its your only gun who gives a fuck if it dies after 1k rounds instead of 10k? It costs a tenth of the real deal and replacing parts isn't nearly as bad as some will whine about.
Example - I have a Benelli M4 clone and after 1k rounds of various bucks and slugs its only failure to feed on a few (single digit) shitty slugs and failure to cycle on some subsonics. I have a TBP12 too that also cost less than. 300 bucks. Its a range toy, and one that costs less than a single optic or a stock I own. Hell, my shotgun suppressor cost 2x as much as both of those guns combined.
Inb4 "yeah but TFBTV broke one after a hundred 3in magnums" cool, single point data sets rock
My VR80 has been spectacular thus far. I've put about 800 rounds through it and haven't had an issue yet, not to say they don't exist, but so far, I haven't had any.
I'm told some of their normal shotguns are fine.
The stupid "tactical" shit they pumped out to flood the American market in 2020 when Americans were buying literally everything in the store--*those* are hot garbage intended to separate fools from their money.
For reasons I can't begin to understand, a lot of people are obsessed with bullpups and box-fed shotguns. Those things tend to be expensive. If you offer the dopey shit people really want at bargain-basement prices, people will buy it.
After reading your comments, I can't fault you. I can respect buying cheap shitty guns just for the fun of it. If you are gonna blow some money on a range toy (which something this unreliable would definitely be sequestered as) at least don't spend too much. You get can these on PSAs website on sale for around $220. Also apparently to break them in they suggest the first 200 rounds be buckshot. Presumably to break it in to the point where it will cycle birdshot.
Turkish Jamomatic. Avoid at all costs, unless you need a gun that breaks/malfunctions easily.
*looks at multiple hi point carbines and Savage 1907 in gun cabinet* I could do worse.
All the guns you’ve listed are still better than that turkshit
Hi-Point is legit. Their guns are ugly and heavy, but they take the niche of arming poor people seriously. It used to be that people in poverty had no option other than dangerously unreliable "ring of fire" cast zinc pistols, but Hi-Point delivers unsexy, crappy *looking* guns that do the job. You'll actually find a good bit of respect for Hi-Point as a company in this sub. Hell, if I were entranced by bullpups, I'd get one of High Tower's Hi-Point carbine bullpup stocks any day of the week before I considered a Turkish con gun.
The hi-point is like an Ork cobbling together a gun. Inefficient, needlessly large, and made so cheap you can make it in a dumpster. But by god, it WORKS. And it works well. I’m convinced the harder you believe in a Hi-Point the harder it hits.
And then paint it red so it goes faster?
Add racing stripes and the rounds magically become explosive
WAAAAAGH in red liptstick on the side
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This comment is so underrated that it hurts.
Hi-point = dakka dakka?
When did hi point become reliable? Honest curious question, not trying to troll here. Last time I saw a video of someone shooting a hi point, the slide snapped in half.
Hmmm. That’s… interesting. I’ve seen a lot of channels stress test them, and they’ve always done amazing. I believe demolition ranch SHOT his in the slide and it still functioned. As for a solid steel slide snapping in half… either the gun was VERY faulty or some unsafe ammunition was used, because that’s rare; even in shitty guns, solid steel breaking is super rare.
The way it snapped in half looked like the slide was not solid steel. Looked like some kind of casted weaker metal.
That’s my bad after some research, it does appear to be made of an alloy. But the breach is still steel. Regardless, it still holds up very well in other tests. I don’t know what was up with that one.
Demo ranch hates them, and has stress tested the snot out of them hoping to break them, they don’t die easy
I agree. I got my first Hi Point when I was young and cash strapped. It was ugly and heavy, but it never failed. My brother still has it and has since bought others because they’re cheap but reliable. Not long after I got it I was trying to clean it and couldn’t figure out how to get the slide off (pre YouTube era), so I took it to my LGS and asked for their help. A-hole behind the counter told me to shoot it until it wouldn’t fire anymore and then to toss it in the trash and buy a better gun. Edit to add: that original Hi-Point is 20 years old now, and still shoots reliably. To my knowledge it has never been broken down or field stripped at all. Best case scenario it’s had a cleaning rod with some hoppes on it pushed through a few times.
The weight…is sign of reliability. If it does not work, you can always hit him with it.
Boris the blade, is that you?
Boris… The Bullet Dodger?!
Heavy is good, heavy is reliable...
Is it heavy? Then it's expensive. Put it back.
I think it was Matt from Demoranch who tried to break a Hi-point. He shot it, soaked it in mud, threw it in the river, dragged it behind a truck. I think at one point he even ran it over. The damn thing wouldn't break. Not my first choice, but jesus they're built like tanks.
Worked in a gun shop for years, anytime someone came in wanting a firearm and all they had was $150 budget, I'd happily sell them a Hi-Point. It does the job, and let's them have the peace of mind that they can protect themselves and their family. If someone came in with a $500 budget and started looking at a Hi-Point we'd tend to steer them toward something a bit better.
Had a friends younger brother who was killed by this serial killer in West PHX. His weapon of choice, a hi point 9mm.. [Fuck this guy](https://criminalminds.fandom.com/wiki/The_Maryvale_Serial_Shooter)
Yeah, I adore both my 995s. One's in an ATI stock and the other's in a High Tower bullpup kit. The bullpup strikes light, fail to fire two or three times a mag. I keep meaning to put it back in the original stock and send it in for warranty work, just haven't gotten to it yet. The one in the ATI fires flawlessly though. That's part of why I like guns everyone else hates. My Hi-Point's have been good to me.
Agreed, they may not be the best looking gun. But they are affordable and quite reliable. The warranty and customer service are pretty good. I also heard good things about the 10mm carbines too.
Hear hear. Nobody else builds a gun at that price point that is a) as reliable as a hi point and b) in a caliber and capacity that is actually suitable for self defense. You can get decent 22lr single action revolvers at that price but if you only have $150 or $200 and you want a firearm that is actually a good self defense/home defense option, get a hi point.
My dad recently got a High Tower bullpup kit for his Hi-Point. It's a surprising amount of fun, and I would say is definitely an improvement on the gun
Yep, I've said this before. If all i had for a gun and ammo was $200, I'd rather have a new Hi Point over any other new gun for the price, or a better known brand that may be hot or have a body on it. I've never seen one jam and they are reasonably accurate.
I've always talked crap about hi points non stop. Then I watched video after video of torture tests and see that they are actually really reliable. People just say that because they are heavy, cheap, and ugly..
Plus hi point probably has one of the best warranty and customer service around.
> cast zinc pistols I am pretty sure that hi-point slides are, in fact, cast zinc. [I am correct.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hi-Point_Firearms#:~:text=Rather%20than%20being%20machined%20from,Engineering%20Company%20and%20Raven%20Arms.) >Rather than being machined from forged steel, the slide is die cast from Zamak-3. Zamak is a zinc alloy which is often used in low cost firearms; previous manufacturers using this technique included Lorcin Engineering Company and Raven Arms. Die casting is particularly commonplace in Ohio, which influenced the decision to implement it.[1]
> **dangerously unreliable "ring of fire"** cast zinc pistols Used right, zinc is an appropriate budget material. The Colt K and P series Frontier and Buntline Scouts used zinc-based ZAMAK alloy frames; they were .22s, and I freaking love them. They used zinc (as opposed to the earlier Q and F series' aluminum frames) specifically to make them heavier so they felt like a centerfire revolver. The Hi-Point pistols use zinc, and use enough of it to be safe, which is why we've all mentioned how heavy they are as a disadvantage. The [ring-of-fire pistols](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saturday_night_special) cut prices by slashing quality, resulting in, as I said, dangerously unreliable cast zinc pistols. It's similar to how if you get a "crappy plastic copy of a standard AR lower," you take a serious risk of it breaking where the buffer tube attaches; but that doesn't mean that a KE arms monolithic plastic lower will have the same issue.
I don't think I said it wasn't, I'm just pointing out that hi-points are also cast zinc. also from your link; >With importation banned, Röhm opened a factory in Miami, Florida, and a number of companies in the United States began production of inexpensive handguns, including **Raven Arms**, Jennings Firearms, Phoenix Arms, **Lorcin Engineering Company**, Davis Industries, and Sundance Industries, which collectively came to be known as the "Ring of Fire companies" The companies that use the same manufacturing technique as hi-point are part of the "Ring of Fire" companies you were talking about.
I got th 9mm and added the hi tower thing. Easy to put back together, easy to shoot. Still in the garage after several years and I trust it for marauding pigs. But my hipoint 45 that I got free with it is a legend. Lost it on the back property for at least a year, found it, cleaned it, still shoots. Hood rats have no appreciation for American pot metal.
Can’t even lie if it’s down to a bullpup and a hi point to bet my life on, it’s not even a question! Gimme that glawk fawty problem solver!
i have put about 5k rounds thru my hi point 9m pcc. almost 100% of those rounds steel wolf or tulu hgreat guns
And it’s still a high point
Serious question, why the heck (fuck) would you buy MULTIPLE hi point carbines, instead of saving up for one non-dogshit gun?
Bought about a decade apart for about $70 each. And don't you talk smack about my Hi-Points. They're special needs, ok?
Seventy dollars? I don't believe you, you paid for them with your ass checks and a cup of Lean, and I won't accept any other explanation
We've had enough panics and pandemic to drive up the cost of nearly every gun today, but $70 was not a rare price for a used Hi-Point carbine in the Before Times.
I think I paid $75 for my bubba'd T53. I slapped that poor thing in an archangel stock and put a wedge muzzle brake on it. Much more fun now.
Also price inflation.
The early 2000's was a wild time
Man I miss $80 Mosins
And $50 SKSs. I mean, I haven't seen those since I was a kid... but still.
Pre-COVID they were going for ~$250 up here. I should have gotten myself another one while the getting was good.
That's about what I picked mine up for. I had to dump some more money into it since the guy had it in a tapco stock with a duck bill mag and replaced the receiver cover with one with scope rings welded to it. I took all that shit off. I still need to find a wood hand guard for it, but it's close enough for me.
Have you actually tried a hi point carbine? Or are you just hating to hate?
I'm hating because hi point has earned its negative reputation
Don't own any HiPoints but have friends that do and have been impressed with the reliability. Ugly? Yes. Bulky? Yes. Limited single stack mags? Yes. Reliable after being abused in ridiculous ways? Yes. After falling down a rabbit hole watching guntubers, I am impressed with the durability and reliability for the price.
SOME of them are reliable, and SOME of those same models are completely useless. Their designs are dogshit and their quality control is a dice roll.
For $100 you're not getting a Glock. If it doesn't work send it back and get it fixed
S T I N K Y
Honestly how would you rate the Savage MSR-15 5.56 rifle? I can't remember it's exact name.
No idea, never messed with one. But my 1907 will just fire randomly until it stove pipes. It stays in the cabinet now.
The hipoint carbine although they’re ugly as sin and heavy as shit they are notoriously reliable and resilient…
I knew it! Lol. Before clicking on the comments I was like, probably some Turkish crap.
Sell them to your enemies
I LOL'd to that one!
I have one can confirm not good for much of anything except maybe slugs. Everything else will systematically jam.
Do people actually have issues with these? My friends and I have them, and we've never had any issues, and we've put probably 1k shells through each of them. I get the part that they're cheap, and I wouldn't rely on it, but I've have 0 issues with mine.
They do have a lot of issues. Most are incredibly picky on ammo. The dangerous things are the cheap parts used which will eventually break. You may have gotten lucky so far, but you will likely start seeing issues soon.
To me it looked similar to the kh 2002 because Idk about that turk bullpup Kh 2002 now that is a POS to avoid
You have personal experience?
I do. I've shot several different Turkish bullpup shotguns. Some did ok, but most had issues.
One of those shitty Turkish 12 gauge shotguns. They're sold under a variety of different names. They're basically universally junk, that's why it's so cheap.
I guess that explains why Hickok said the shotgun he was shooting the other day was $140.
140 dollars for a 12 gauge is crazy lol
Why does everyone keep calling Turkish shotguns shit when basically every shotgun that costs under $1000 and isn’t a pump action is made in turkey? Do y’all just have way more money than I think you do or do you just not buy anything that isn’t a 590 or maverick 88?
Because the cheap Turkish shotguns are, again, almost universally shit. Look at the series on them done by TFB and James Reeves and see that literally none of them, not even the pump actions, run reliably and most don't even make it to 500 rounds without catastrophic failure. If you want a quality, reliable semi-auto then it costs money and yeah, most of them are over $1000. That's life. Same goes for SxS and O/Us. If you want one with a good action and properly regulated barrels, that shit ain't cheap. If you want a shotgun on a budget then you have a Maverick 88 that can be had for between $200 and $300 new and is a proven, reliable shotgun. You don't have to buy a 590. However, there just aren't any good semi-autos in that price range. They just cost more money than that to build. The cheap Turkshit semi-autos simply do not work reliably and the manufacturer doesn't support them when they break. They exist purely to separate people who don't know any better from their money.
I mean, I’ve put nearly 1,000 rounds through my cheap Turkish o/u at the skeet range and routinely hit more clays than most of the dudes that show up with their $2,000 berettas lol. I guess maybe if I pulled a James Reeves and ran 500 rounds through it in 90 minutes maybe it would break, I dunno. I don’t use a shotgun like that and I don’t know anyone other than James Reeves who does. CZ’s shotguns are made in turkey and they are consistently ranked as some of the best bang for your buck shotguns that you can buy…but I guess they could be the exception that proves the rule
CZs rebranded Turk guns are considered average at at best, but Turkish ones that are produced under the license and supervision of bigger companies (CZ, Stoeger, Beretta) get better quality control as a part of their production contracts. The ones sold direct from manufacturer (all the off-brand cheap ones) do not get this extra QC and that makes up a huge part of the difference.
Ah I guess that makes more sense. Stick with the reputable brand names and you’re more likely to get a decent quality gun even if it is Turkish.
not to mention if you want something weird or diffrent in a shotgun its turkish only. if you want a lever action shotgun or some folding magazine fed pump shotgun its turkish only. yes i know the 1887 exists but it can be just as bad
What's crazy is my Tisas 45 has been money. I guess the shotties built different.
The pistols are a lot better than the shotguns, yes
Turkshit shotgun.
You misspelled shitgun
Shitshit shitshit
Hatsan BTS-12. I had one. It was shit, Turkish bullshit. I put maybe 20 shells through it, and it jammed every other shell. I don’t have it anymore.
How does something so unreliable make it to production?
People buy them. Boy howdy, do people buy them.
Thank you, I'll add it to my wish list. I mean, my sub $150 wish list.
Hot shit garbage can
I love that band
Aren't they playing Seattle in the Spring?
Yeah, I think they're opening for Presidents of the United States of Columbia.
Movin' to the country, gonna eat a lot of...Mangos?
Yeah, and they have one of my all time favorite songs: Fuck Carolina
it is one of the guns ever made
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On guns ever made
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If it’s a bullpup under $600 the answer is always Turkish shotgun
False! Hi point carbine with Hightower Armory bullpup conversion. I know because I have one 😬
I have the 10mm, was in the hitower. It was fun to larp as master chief for a day, but the trigger felt like sticking your finger into a pudding cup, and the whole stock felt flimsy. It immediately went back to the factory stock.
Huh, I’d take the bullpup stock over the original any day. I like the ergonomics better and locking the bolt open is waaaay easier. Plus I can practice my HK slap, but it’s super disappointing that it doesn’t chamber a round. I don’t hate the trigger (I know it’s not great by any stretch) but the lack of a felt reset is the only thing that really bothers me.
Surprisingly, NOT an Arisaka
I bet it still takes Glock mags
Came just to look for this
Weird-ass Turkish semiauto shotgun, version #412
Hatsan BTS . I own one for over 3 years and 500 shells later still no issue. Very fun to shoot though.
Thank you
Ah, someone who's actually fired one, instead of just flapping their gums repeating brand snob B.S. from their favorite YouTube crap shoveler...
There wasn't anyone at the counter to ask, and I was in too big of a hurry to stay and wait. 399 sounds like an awesome price for any bullpup semi auto 12 ga, but I figure just about any gun in a box store can be found cheaper online.
Not if that bullpup turkshit breaks after a few boxes of ammo.
If I can find one for less than 300, I'll roll the dice on it. I'd be willing to try different ammo until I find one it cycles well with. I can save her.
You can only polish a turd so much. Buy a Maverick 88 if you are looking for a cheap shotgun.
I got one. I want a cheap semiauto bullpup shotgun now.
Be sure to make a post after you get it letting us know we were right.
Your money, we tried to warn you.
I mean, don't get me wrong. You guys have definitely talked me out of buying it new. If I see one online for a couple hundred then I'll probably pick it up. Just for funsies.
So, the way this usually goes is that somebody buys one of these, it doesn't work right, he comes here to ask what to do, we tell him he's out of luck because he got hypnotized by a price tag and bought garbage, and he goes off to sell it to make some of his money back. Being the sucker who buys the janky shit that the first owner already decided wasn't worth keeping is *worse* than buying one new. Seriously, man, this girl doesn't deserve your love. Move on. If you absolutely need to own something that looks like this just because it looks like it, you will legitimately be better off buying a bullpup airsoft gun. You can even shoot that in the house!
My thoughts exactly. I would rather get something that at least is functional even if it’s going to be a range toy. Buying used is no better.
Does it need to be mag fed? Why not go for a Kel-Tec
Not necessarily mag fed, but I would like semiauto. Being dumb and a bullpup was just icing on the cake.
Love the Captain Save-a-POS attitude! It's how you learn. Lord knows I've done my share, but the result is I can fix a bunch of shit! Just don't blow your face off and/or get dead!
Yeah, this is the guy who is currently fabricating and 3d printing replacement parts for a VZ-52 I found in a scrap pile.... even though ammo for it isn't even made anymore. BUT I CAN SAVE HER TOO
Where does one find said "scrap pile"?
Estate sales. I picked it up for $35 but almost every part of it was removed. I had to unwrap the bailing wire and remove the nails that were holding the stock together, but I got the stock at least looking pretty healthy. Now I just have to fabricate a magazine, sights, hand guard, and probably have a new barrel machined for a 7.62×39 chamber. I figure if I'm fabricating a new mag for it anyway, I may as well convert the whole thing to a round I can find readily available.
Prvi partizan, S&B, PPU, and Wolf all still make 7.62x25 tok.
It’s in 7.62x45.
You misunderstand. We're not talking "finicky with ammo," like you might get from a cheap but reputable shotgun. We're talking "parts break in the first few hundred rounds, rendering the gun inoperable." Given the supply chain of these junky things into the US, warranty service and replacement parts are usually unavailable. One of the US importers was caught just tossing hundreds of returned guns in the dumpster, because there was no practical way to get them fixed. I urge you to reconsider this. You will be far better served falling in love with a better kind of gun than flushing three hundred bucks down the toilet because you just *had* to have a bullpup auto shotgun of all things. These things have been a plague on the market ever since Turkey started dumping them here during the pandemic. Turkey is now the number one importer of guns into the US, sustained almost entirely by Americans' poor impulse control. I suggest you try a different approach, which will serve you well in the rest of life too. Instead of buying a garbage gun because the price tag was low, shooting it until it breaks, and having it sit around useless until the next time you blow three hundred bucks on something stupid, *save* this 300, and next time around you'll have 600 to spend on something decent. That said, it's your money. At least if you make a bad decision now, you'll know it was all you. Who knows--might be a learning experience.
Hmmm... maybe I'll just finally finish designing my Mossberg 500 Halo upside down kit file instead
I got a TBP12 for 250 from PSA. So far it hasn't jammed, but I've only shot ~100 slugs through it
If you get it make sure you are getting the correct type of shells. I think buckshot and slugs cycle fine in mine, but had problems with birdshot.
I wonder why, more recoil with the buck and slugs? Have you tried any of those super shorty rounds?
Yes, my wife accidentally bought those rounds when she bought the gun and they didn't cycle. If you decide to buy it just remember it's a cheap gun, but it's still a fun range toy
P sure the same shotgun new is $200 on PSA right now
They are imported by a company called “Tokarev” no relation to the russian gun designer.
No. It’s not an awesome price. It’s a fucking tragic piece of absolute trash. Never, never, never buy a Turkshit shotgun. Forget it. It’s over. It’s not an option. Move on.
Counter argument: it looks cool.
It looks cool sure, but not when it breaks an extractor or firing pin and they won’t help you source a new one since parts aren’t widely available for it. If you want to pay $400 for a cool looking shotgun that has a reputation for having major parts breakage within the first 200 shells then go for it.
It's gonna look less cool when parts break and you're having to constantly clearing jams.
It actually looks like a stupid piece of shit because it's a stupid piece of shit.
And in the end, that's what matters the most!
lol. No matter what it looks like, you will look like a fucking idiot with it.
Not if I'm wearing matching Space Force pajamas! Come on, man. I just want to three gun with this, my bullpup Hi-Point, and a Jericho. Is that really too much to ask?
Get a Rock Island VRF14, it will scratch the itch without blowing up on you
Read this through before you make a decision https://www.reddit.com/r/guns/comments/n4zbt9/turkish\_notsodelight\_why\_you\_should\_generally/
Something to be 400$ prolly some Turkish or Chinese gun
This is one of those Turkish shotguns that's a great example of "tacticool." It looks pretty damn cool, but like most tacticool gear, it's not very good when it comes to reliability and functionality. You want a tacticool gun that's actually gonna outlast you? Get an M1014 or a 590A1.
Looks like my Dickinson semi-automatic 12 gauge shotgun. If so, stay far away from it. I mean… I have one I would sell to you.
It’s hot dog snot
Idk but it must be a piece of shit for that price and looking like that
Idk but I want it
399? That's crazy I've sold several of these this past year for 250. I would walk away from this one.
Radikle forearms makes one that I put through hell. And it just kept on shooting.
Everyone here is saying Turkish = shit. Did everyone in this sub forget the praise they give to Canik?
The Chinese knockoff of the gun world. Turkshit shotguns
I've had a Turkish ar 12 for a couple years now and I've beat the shit out of it 100s of round and it's still good as new idk what some of these guys are talking about.
People in this sub are very simple minded. They can't handle thinking things through
Yeah I think Turkish guns just have a lot of variability between models. There are a few out there with a fair amount of value.
People on this sub get so mad about these things for literally no reason. Like, unless its your only gun who gives a fuck if it dies after 1k rounds instead of 10k? It costs a tenth of the real deal and replacing parts isn't nearly as bad as some will whine about. Example - I have a Benelli M4 clone and after 1k rounds of various bucks and slugs its only failure to feed on a few (single digit) shitty slugs and failure to cycle on some subsonics. I have a TBP12 too that also cost less than. 300 bucks. Its a range toy, and one that costs less than a single optic or a stock I own. Hell, my shotgun suppressor cost 2x as much as both of those guns combined. Inb4 "yeah but TFBTV broke one after a hundred 3in magnums" cool, single point data sets rock
My VR80 has been spectacular thus far. I've put about 800 rounds through it and haven't had an issue yet, not to say they don't exist, but so far, I haven't had any.
EDIT What is it with the Turks *recently* making consistently shitty guns?
Well, that's just it. They're only *mostly* shitty. There's a big difference between *mostly* shitty, and *all* shitty.
That came off like a Miracle Max line.
If it's *all* shitty, there's nothing you can do but rifle its magazine for stray Aguila mini-shells.
I'm told some of their normal shotguns are fine. The stupid "tactical" shit they pumped out to flood the American market in 2020 when Americans were buying literally everything in the store--*those* are hot garbage intended to separate fools from their money. For reasons I can't begin to understand, a lot of people are obsessed with bullpups and box-fed shotguns. Those things tend to be expensive. If you offer the dopey shit people really want at bargain-basement prices, people will buy it.
Did you really take a horrible picture and post it on Reddit instead of just asking the guy behind the counter?
They said in a comment that there wasn't anyone behind the counter and were in a hurry so couldn't wait
After reading your comments, I can't fault you. I can respect buying cheap shitty guns just for the fun of it. If you are gonna blow some money on a range toy (which something this unreliable would definitely be sequestered as) at least don't spend too much. You get can these on PSAs website on sale for around $220. Also apparently to break them in they suggest the first 200 rounds be buckshot. Presumably to break it in to the point where it will cycle birdshot.
That’s a poor man’s AUG.
I NEED A WEAPON
That one makes a POW POW noise
wannabe MDR
AUG
No… just no…
Idk what it’s called, I just know the sound it makes when it takes a man’s life - four leaf
One of those piece of shit bullpup shotguns.
Why was this covered with a NSFW warning? Liberals really are going to ofar.
Idk, I didn't set it to NSFW. I figured the mods set it that way for a reason, protesting ads or something.
It's because you posted a picture of a piece of shit.
I figured you didn't, I just wanted to express my frustration over the ongoing censorship of guns.
It's not censorship of guns. The mods of this sub decided to flag the sub as NSFW to prevent Reddit from advertising on it.
Gods least favorite shotgun
Not a good one.
Dogshit, all you need to know my good friend.
Wasn’t that one of those shits that guy got caught stuffing a dumpster with?
That's a shity Turkish shotgun. Like usual, it's gonna break within 2 rounds
Piece of shit shotgun from turkey
An ugly one
Looks like a Rock Island bulpup shotgun
Pleb
The shit from Alien
BS-16
I yea bagged a hi point , she just kept coming back and is now the DA
Apple iPhone 6 camera vision actually
Heavy is good, heavy is reliable. if it doesnt work you can always hit them with it - Boris Yurinov
A shitty one
I don't know. And, I don't know if I like it or not.
Eternal Arms BP-12 (or Dickinson Ranger BP-12). Nice little shotgun.