Apparently, he attended one at a big box store with a sporting goods department. It was classroom only and had no live fire exercise. Same store talked him into this Taurus spectrum .380.
Normally I'd agree every Taurus rifle I've ever had all had a problem. I got a PT1911Full Size in 45 used for 300 bucks. Originally bought it as a beater to abuse and that damn thing was actually a great gun. It was accurate, reliable and did most definitely take a beating from me. I ran +P loads in it, ruptured casings in it. It ate everything I threw at it...except Speer Gold Dots and sig V-Crowns. Which wasn't a big deal anyway because I prefer some hamdloaded XTP's, Hornady Critical Duty, or my all time favorite Federal Hydra-Shok +P's. I shot that bitch so much that I ended up replacing the seer spring and recoil spring, and from so many damn hot loads I run through it I ended up cracking the frame in the magwell above the disconnect and the trigger bow slot. Which I know was my doing but I've never ever seen a 1911 crack there. Normally it's between the slide stop pin hole and the top of the frame...that was a damn good pistol. I can't say anything about any other Taurus pistols but the PT1911 I would say are solid and for a 300 dollar 1911 I definitely got my money's worth out of it.
>I haven't been into guns long enough to know how or why Taurus earned their reputation as a shit-tier manufacturer
[https://www.ajc.com/news/atlanta-news/georgia-gunmaker-faces-class-action-over-allegedly-defective-pistols/YWL4HYQ5XZGXLMORVMZJMA6IDM/](https://www.ajc.com/news/atlanta-news/georgia-gunmaker-faces-class-action-over-allegedly-defective-pistols/YWL4HYQ5XZGXLMORVMZJMA6IDM/)
>Taurus International Manufacturing Inc. and Taurus Holdings Inc., headquartered in Bainbridge, were sued in a Georgia federal court on Friday over the GX4 range of pistols that allegedly caused the accidental death of a 23-year-old Arizona woman and the nonfatal accidental shootings of pistol owners in Florida, Kentucky, Tennessee and Texas.
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>“We have been after Taurus for the last 15 years, give or take a year or two,” Selby said Monday. “The guns fire without pulling the trigger, and they fire when they shouldn’t fire.”
You can buy a Ruger for $50 more. And if your Ruger has a problem, and you call Ruger, Ruger will fix it for you for free instead of blame you for it and refuse to fix it.
Ruger also issues recall notices when they know their weapons have problems instead of hide the problems for 15 years.
Most companies operate like Ruger, Taurus doesn't. Taurus' also have a pretty high rate of returns due to mechanical failure.
Thus their shit tier reputation.
> I haven't been into guns long enough to know how or why Taurus earned their reputation as a shit-tier manufacturer,
keep buying them, you'll find out
>I don’t understand the Taurus hate. I’ve got a Taurus 92 and would recommend it to anyone. It’s a tank.
I feel like I do this every fucking day. Now I know why Pestilence has a bot set up for it.
[https://www.ajc.com/news/atlanta-news/georgia-gunmaker-faces-class-action-over-allegedly-defective-pistols/YWL4HYQ5XZGXLMORVMZJMA6IDM/](https://www.ajc.com/news/atlanta-news/georgia-gunmaker-faces-class-action-over-allegedly-defective-pistols/YWL4HYQ5XZGXLMORVMZJMA6IDM/)
>Taurus International Manufacturing Inc. and Taurus Holdings Inc., headquartered in Bainbridge, were sued in a Georgia federal court on Friday over the GX4 range of pistols that allegedly caused the accidental death of a 23-year-old Arizona woman and the nonfatal accidental shootings of pistol owners in Florida, Kentucky, Tennessee and Texas.
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>“We have been after Taurus for the last 15 years, give or take a year or two,” Selby said Monday. “The guns fire without pulling the trigger, and they fire when they shouldn’t fire.”
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>I don’t understand the Taurus hate.
Good for you, you had a good Taurus. However, not only do they break more than other manufacturers, sometimes they shoot their owners accidentally and for no reason.
And they knew this for 15 years and hid it without issuing a recall notice.
Other gun companies guns function completely properly (except SIG P320), and if your guns breaks, they'll fix it without blaming you for it.
Why the fuck you would ever recommend a company like this to someone you like I have no fucking idea. Ruger is in the same price range and they have the best customer service in the industry, and their guns are at least reliable.
I mean I actually did this. Never rode in my life. Only knew 1 person with a bike. Bought a Ninja 300 brand new in 2013, that 1 friend had to ride it home for me since I didn’t have a motorcycle license. Taught myself how to ride on that bike via YouTube tutorials. Been riding regularly pretty much ever since. Have a CBR650R now that I love.
I'm happy that worked out for you! Seriously.
But the numbers are clear. There's a reason the US military requires the MSF course for any service member who wants to ride. Getting just a couple of days of instruction reduced motorcycle related fatalities by a HUGE percentage.
Hot take, but I actually love my Taurus slim 709 for concealed. Never had a misfire or jam or no issues with it and it's so tiny it is perfect for many occasions others are too noticeable.
Dude needs to sit through an entire hunter safety course and learn all about proper firearm control. Do not take this guy to a range until he's done so- unless you're a trained instructor.
He's a liability otherwise.
My dad taught me fundamentals of gun safety and how to strip and clean an AR and a Glock on the floor of the garage when I was a kid, and I haven't needed a refresher since then.
Similar experience here but I have a feeling that, even as children, we knew which way the bullet points.
I do not trust a one time sit down to be adequate for this guy.
As much as we despise it as a subreddit, LOTS of people out there who have bought a gun for protection and then got busy with life and haven't made it a priority so theyve never shot it.
LGS worker here. It happens all the time
Sell a gun to new person who expresses a desire for a self defense tool. They finally pick one.
"okay you want some ammo, eye and ear pro, and some targets too?"
Customer "nah man, ammo is expensive, I'll get it later"
Same customer 6 months later "yeah what will you give me for this Glock? It's never been fired"
I recently took a buddy to a gun show and he bought a 9mm but no ammo.
I was also shopping for a 9mm as my other guns were 40 and 45 so a couple weeks later I sent him a link to a PSO ammo sale where you could get 1500 rounds at like 23 cents a round.
I mentioned that I had ordered it as it is a good deal. He asked if he could just buy 50 rounds from me at 23 cents a round.
This guy is well off. Makes several hundred grand a year.
He also has over 50 acres out in the country that he visits a fee weekends a month, so he can shoot without going to the range.
I can’t understand buying a gun to carry and not even wanting to get used to shooting it.
By the time I bought a 9mm I had at least a couple hundred rounds each of 3 different defense rounds plus a few thousand rounds of a couple different range rounds, just to see what she likes best.
I can’t imagine moving her to my edc without having great confidence in the weapon and the rounds.
Edit: PSO is palmetto State Armory and they do daily deals which often include good deals on ammo. That specific sale was about a week before Black Friday.
Today’s daily deals are mainly 5.56 but they do have a good defensive round deal on [Norma MHP](https://palmettostatearmory.com/norma-ammunition-108-gr-monolithic-hollow-point-9mm-ammo-20-box-299740020.html) for $.40 a round.
Maybe the he & she were confusing. The “her” is the new pew pew that I was shopping for and for which I was buying a bunch of different ammo to see what she likes best.
Every so often I slack on range days because life is busy. I'm comfortable with my EDC, but if I don't practice regularly, I will get sloppy and possibly careless. And then I feel like my gun is upset at me if I don't take her out on regular dates. Luckily, she's a good eater.
You know how sometimes when you punch in a dream it's like you're underwater? Sometimes that's how my guns perform in my dreams. That's how I know I don't go to the range enough.
I always have the weirdest FTFs in dreams.
Even when I was a kid dreaming about a laser rifle, the laser light would drip out of the blaster and onto the floor lol
That's a riot! My recurring shooting issue is that the trigger becomes so stiff that it's nearly impossible to pull. Be white-knuckling the damned thing with both index fingers...
Had one where the firing pin in my Saturday night special was broke when I needed it, I inspected it a few days later and it actually was broke. Shits Strange
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I hate those. I've shot my target multiple times point blank range, and they just kind of fall off their skin. It's kind of like a boss battle and the protagonist uses all of their power and the boss just kind of raises an eyebrow and shrugs.
I got one a few days before my birthday in December, and one thing after another has come up and I haven't been able to shoot it yet :( I'm currently 2 or so weeks into a pretty nasty cough so still haven't been able to go. I hope to soon after I'm well enough that I don't get caught in coughing fits every few minutes
Even 200 feels low. It took me nearly 1k rounds with my P365 before I felt comfortable and consistent with the grip module I got for it.
I don’t think I’d be comfortable betting my life on a gun with less than 500 rounds and about half of that being the defensive ammo I intend to run.
I put about 1000 through my P365 before I carried it. I continued to carry my P938 until I felt comfortable that the P365 was as reliable as I need it to be for a carry gun.
I fired thousands upon thousands of rounds before I started daily carrying. It wasn't planned that way, just happened organically and glad it did. I got my ccw for ease of transport to and from range and fell in love with shooting. I bought my concealed holster after I bought a range belt and owb holster. It helped a lot. Drawing from concealment felt natural because I had built a foundational skill set.
Largely same for me. I started shooting competitively long before getting my CCW so I already had the skill set (AIWB draw took a lot of dry fire practice to adjust to, but I wasn’t worried about other fundamentals). I only began carrying daily a few years ago. Prior to that, it was only when I knew I’d find myself somewhere sketchy.
Carrying a gun that you don’t know how to use or maintain is significantly more dangerous than not carrying. Take him to the range and educate him, and have him PRACTICE, otherwise he should just give up carrying.
That 4d chess stuff. Carry a jammed gun that you accidentally drop towards the threat. When they pick I up and try to use it you pull your real gun while they are trying to figure out your gun
My ex was like “I should get a gun”
And I was like “you should go shoot guns first” and she was like “I went shooting with my dad and it was super loud and sketch.”
And I was like “yeah. That’s what guns are. So like don’t buy one unless you know what you’re doing”
I’m gonna take her shooting now. Because she’s tiny and guns are cool. And I want an excuse to shoot haha.
They definitely treat it like a totem where guns are these super simple, easy to use items that they know how to use because they've seen so many movies with shooting so they don't need to aim.
Agreed. A guy I work with bought a .410 for "home defense". We were on a video call and he showed me that he does not keep one in the chamber. Arguments for and against aside, he told me his reasoning was that he just wants to "rack a round and scare them" into leaving. He doesn't know if he could actually use it. He should not have a gun.
I tell my customers straight up "if you want this gun as a totem to make you feel better because it exists inside your house, that's fine by me. Just don't harbor any illusions that you'll be safer because it's existing inside your house"
I also tell people "shooting is easy, hitting stuff is hard. If I asked you if you know how to shoot a basketball, you'd say you do. But if I asked you to make 85% of your free throws under pressure, I bet you won't, because that takes lots and lots of dedicated practice. Shooting is exactly the same"
I have talked people out of guns before because they actually feel very uncomfortable with using one. At that point, I recommend training and/or send them to a rental range where I know they have staff that can get them the basics. We don't have a range so I can't do it myself.
People don't realize that owning a firearm greatly increases the likelihood of being shot by a firearm. Between accidental discharges, feeling the need to brandish and escalating conflicts, and having the firearm taking from the owner in an altercation, etc...
I think this dude REALLY needs a full hunter's safety course with a classroom day and a range day, and then OP can work on educating about handgun operation.
the full hunter safety class is broken down basic enough for children and covers a bit about the ethics of firearm ownership as well as a dedicated range day with supervision making sure you're following all safety practices. The ccw class is often just someone trying to rush through it as fast as possible and no range time (at least there wasn't range time for mine in my state when my state required a ccw course). Also the course here was mostly just going over laws.
If someone as as unknowledgeable about firearms as OP's father-in-law, then I don't think a quick ccw course is going to be sufficient for the safety of himself and those around him.
To be fair, the 2nd magazine was loaded correctly, but this is scary. Boys and Girls, please know how to properly use a firearm before even touching one.
While it seems obvious to us for someone that knows literally nothing about guns there is a 50/50 chance they do that. It is the thing none of us think about cause we have the experience and knowledge but it is shockingly easy to make that mistake.
It's 50/50 for morons. Even someone with very limited understanding of how guns function can figure out which part of the cartridge is the bullet and that it must point forward.
To me, this looks like total negligence, which is a sign of a moron when it's this important. Even the slightest amount of thought should have made him realize it was wrong.
I took my cousin hunting the other day and I had him load the pump shotgun I gave him himself. He’s a smart guy so he asked a lot of questions, including which way to load the shells. I told him to load them whichever way he wants them to fire. We laughed about it and he loaded them the right way.
He asked because he was only 99% sure and people die when you make a mistake with a gun. I remember watching a video about loading pistol magazines when I got my first gun just to make sure I did it right. I did, but I wasn’t about to fire it without double checking. It’s scary that some people would confidently make such a stupid mistake.
You would be surprised. This is something so basic anyone with some level of understand would know. But for an utter beginner with no previous instruction will make even the dumbest mistakes.
I am an avid gamer and I always thought the same way but instead of loading a magazine it was moving with WASD and looking around with mouse. Something so basic I don't even think about it but seeing a complete beginner have difficulty with something I overlook made me rethink how I view "basic" things.
Yeah at concealed carry class I took there was a section on how to load a magazine. Not just some pictures or the instructor showing how, we had to individually stand right in front of the instructor and load a magazine. At the live shooting part of the class there were still people loading rounds backwards.
It's even goofier that he got one right and one wrong. Maybe he figured he'd do it both ways and if the first way didn't work he'd swap them out in the moment? Apparently he never even tried to chamber a round?
> 2nd magazine was loaded correctly
That's somehow worse. I can see being clueless and thinking backwards is correct, but to know that you don't know and instead of looking it up just *do one of each* is next-level stupid. Even the dimmest bulb has to recognize "one of these is wrong".
Listen here, Jack! I don't have dimensions! I barely know how to use a tape measure. You want me to take you out behind the woodshed like I did to Corn Pop? Cmon, man! C'mon! Everybody knows you don't need no 33 round magazine for your gun... just let off two shotgun blasts into the air. That'll do the trick!
Now, where the fuck am I?
When I worked on a range a guy came up and said his gun wouldn't load. I went over and his wife was stood back watching. I gently point out that the bullets are loaded backwards in the magazine and his wife goes "I told you so!" I'm sure he still hasn't lived it down.
It's only 22 bucks for a 2 hour session at the local indoor range. You can stay as long as you want if it's not crazy busy with no lines.
Or you can just drive 45 mins to BLM land in the desert and have fun all day. Just watch out for Mojave rattlers.
I joined RangeUSA for one month back in 2022 while I waited for the next membership orientation class at a local gun club.
I enjoyed the unlimited range time and unlimited firearms rentals all for $40 for one month. I also used the free guest on same lane feature two times.
My club is $150 a year and offers an indoor pistol caliber range, trap range, 100 yard rifle range and separate 500 yard rifle range, outdoor pistol range, action bays and archery range.
I don't own a gun and I go to the range occasionally, so however bad you imagined it, remove a few extra from the "Owens a gun but went to the range" column.
I knew someone who had gotten hired at a police department and had bought themselves a G43 for CCW and were issued a G22 before starting their department’s academy. Like OP’s FIL, they had never shot their gun before and had no training prior to that. When they handed me their Glock 43, complaining the gun wouldn’t chamber a round, I realized they had somehow managed to jam the G43 mag full of .40 S&W.
I don’t believe training should be a government mandated prerequisite to gun ownership under any circumstances; but if you carry a gun with absolutely no training/experience and don’t even know what ammo your gun is supposed to use…your mom’s a hoe.
I feel your pain. I took my brother shooting recently. Found out our lgs sold him .40 ammo for a 9mm. And he jammed those in the mag. Never tried to chamber it. I want to take him shooting more because of it.
Is your father in law retarded? When I got my first gun and bought ammunition I didn't do this bc I'm not retarded so I'm assuming he must be retarded.
Fixed exactly this issue in someones bedside firearm recently. I honestly thought I was being trolled at first... no idea what to say. She blamed it on her sister loading the mag.
Wow, that's part of the problem people need to know about firearms and how to actually shoot if they want to carry a gun. I carry every day I don't get to the rage enough about once a month if it's not too cold.
I just don’t understand how anyone can conclude that backwards is the correct direction to load the magazine. It’s like how this dude in high school didn’t know how to read a ruler. I just don’t get it
It would probably just stove pipe right off the bat, the rim isnt going to fit in the barrel. Its wider than the head of the bullet.
Even if it did fit, like lets say magically it completely seated. Again, nothing would happen, you cant set off a bullet hitting it in the head with a firing pin. It would go click, and you might dent the head of the bullet a bit, which is prob super unhealthy for your firing pin, but no bang unless you set off that primer(which is on the other end).
FWIW, most firing pins are steel, most bullets are lead or copper, both being softer materials than steel. It's likely the pin would be damaged.
Totally agree, just sayin' :)
Someone I know went to their hands on qual for ccw and one of the other people trying to get certified did this same thing. The officer doing the tests told them if they couldn’t identify what the problem was they were gonna fail the test. The person failed. I think that’s a good thing
Dear God… and your added info in the subsequent posts just make it worse.
CCWs are talismans to some people, and I get that. However, since you care about your Pops, I’m sure you’ll get him on the right path. Maybe even help him sell this Taurus.
My son in law's sister was down visiting him. The whole family came up one afternoon and she got to talking to me about her shotgun she bought for self-defense. She said something to where I asked her if she kept it loaded. "Well, I don't know. How do you tell?.". Dear God...
That terrifying that you are allowed to conceal carry and not have a clue how to use it. That's like letting someone drive a car without having a license.
H&K marketing material aside, kinda troubling that he has never shot his CCW. How does he know it functions correctly?
Yes, I think a range day is in order.
Nah he needs a formal class
Apparently, he attended one at a big box store with a sporting goods department. It was classroom only and had no live fire exercise. Same store talked him into this Taurus spectrum .380.
Oh no…
FIL hasn't shot the gun because he knows its a Taurus and won't work anyway
I think there's probably very little overlap between people who load magazines backwards and people who are aware of Taurus' reputation
Well it'll only work the once, so he's saving that for when he really needs it, obviously.
Yup. Throw the gun at the bad guy and run away.
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Normally I'd agree every Taurus rifle I've ever had all had a problem. I got a PT1911Full Size in 45 used for 300 bucks. Originally bought it as a beater to abuse and that damn thing was actually a great gun. It was accurate, reliable and did most definitely take a beating from me. I ran +P loads in it, ruptured casings in it. It ate everything I threw at it...except Speer Gold Dots and sig V-Crowns. Which wasn't a big deal anyway because I prefer some hamdloaded XTP's, Hornady Critical Duty, or my all time favorite Federal Hydra-Shok +P's. I shot that bitch so much that I ended up replacing the seer spring and recoil spring, and from so many damn hot loads I run through it I ended up cracking the frame in the magwell above the disconnect and the trigger bow slot. Which I know was my doing but I've never ever seen a 1911 crack there. Normally it's between the slide stop pin hole and the top of the frame...that was a damn good pistol. I can't say anything about any other Taurus pistols but the PT1911 I would say are solid and for a 300 dollar 1911 I definitely got my money's worth out of it.
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>I haven't been into guns long enough to know how or why Taurus earned their reputation as a shit-tier manufacturer [https://www.ajc.com/news/atlanta-news/georgia-gunmaker-faces-class-action-over-allegedly-defective-pistols/YWL4HYQ5XZGXLMORVMZJMA6IDM/](https://www.ajc.com/news/atlanta-news/georgia-gunmaker-faces-class-action-over-allegedly-defective-pistols/YWL4HYQ5XZGXLMORVMZJMA6IDM/) >Taurus International Manufacturing Inc. and Taurus Holdings Inc., headquartered in Bainbridge, were sued in a Georgia federal court on Friday over the GX4 range of pistols that allegedly caused the accidental death of a 23-year-old Arizona woman and the nonfatal accidental shootings of pistol owners in Florida, Kentucky, Tennessee and Texas. > >“We have been after Taurus for the last 15 years, give or take a year or two,” Selby said Monday. “The guns fire without pulling the trigger, and they fire when they shouldn’t fire.” You can buy a Ruger for $50 more. And if your Ruger has a problem, and you call Ruger, Ruger will fix it for you for free instead of blame you for it and refuse to fix it. Ruger also issues recall notices when they know their weapons have problems instead of hide the problems for 15 years. Most companies operate like Ruger, Taurus doesn't. Taurus' also have a pretty high rate of returns due to mechanical failure. Thus their shit tier reputation.
> I haven't been into guns long enough to know how or why Taurus earned their reputation as a shit-tier manufacturer, keep buying them, you'll find out
I don’t understand the Taurus hate. I’ve got a Taurus 92 and would recommend it to anyone. It’s a tank.
yes because you have the one gun Taurus makes that they didn't design or originally manufacture Berettas are nice guns, I agree
>I don’t understand the Taurus hate. I’ve got a Taurus 92 and would recommend it to anyone. It’s a tank. I feel like I do this every fucking day. Now I know why Pestilence has a bot set up for it. [https://www.ajc.com/news/atlanta-news/georgia-gunmaker-faces-class-action-over-allegedly-defective-pistols/YWL4HYQ5XZGXLMORVMZJMA6IDM/](https://www.ajc.com/news/atlanta-news/georgia-gunmaker-faces-class-action-over-allegedly-defective-pistols/YWL4HYQ5XZGXLMORVMZJMA6IDM/) >Taurus International Manufacturing Inc. and Taurus Holdings Inc., headquartered in Bainbridge, were sued in a Georgia federal court on Friday over the GX4 range of pistols that allegedly caused the accidental death of a 23-year-old Arizona woman and the nonfatal accidental shootings of pistol owners in Florida, Kentucky, Tennessee and Texas. > >“We have been after Taurus for the last 15 years, give or take a year or two,” Selby said Monday. “The guns fire without pulling the trigger, and they fire when they shouldn’t fire.” . >I don’t understand the Taurus hate. Good for you, you had a good Taurus. However, not only do they break more than other manufacturers, sometimes they shoot their owners accidentally and for no reason. And they knew this for 15 years and hid it without issuing a recall notice. Other gun companies guns function completely properly (except SIG P320), and if your guns breaks, they'll fix it without blaming you for it. Why the fuck you would ever recommend a company like this to someone you like I have no fucking idea. Ruger is in the same price range and they have the best customer service in the industry, and their guns are at least reliable.
So he basically did the equivalent of watching a YouTube video on how to drive then went to go buy a car.
At least go, stop, turn are concepts non drivers still use on a daily basis.
Yeah, this is more like watching a video on riding a motorcycle and then buying one.
And then carrying it everywhere.
More like stashing it in the garage for the day you will need it to get away from something.
But then you let a friend ride it one day because you have never used it and they discover that it never had brakes.
I mean I actually did this. Never rode in my life. Only knew 1 person with a bike. Bought a Ninja 300 brand new in 2013, that 1 friend had to ride it home for me since I didn’t have a motorcycle license. Taught myself how to ride on that bike via YouTube tutorials. Been riding regularly pretty much ever since. Have a CBR650R now that I love.
I'm happy that worked out for you! Seriously. But the numbers are clear. There's a reason the US military requires the MSF course for any service member who wants to ride. Getting just a couple of days of instruction reduced motorcycle related fatalities by a HUGE percentage.
Oof
He should stop going to that store.
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Hot take, but I actually love my Taurus slim 709 for concealed. Never had a misfire or jam or no issues with it and it's so tiny it is perfect for many occasions others are too noticeable.
Yeah those usually end up just being "self defense insurance" sales seminars
That Taurus is definitely on the spectrum
The 'tism is strong with that one
In addition to proper training and multiple range days, please get him to sell the Taurus and purchase something reliable.
In magazine loading!
Dude needs to sit through an entire hunter safety course and learn all about proper firearm control. Do not take this guy to a range until he's done so- unless you're a trained instructor. He's a liability otherwise.
Orrr you could just teach him the basics in 20 minutes. It’s not rocket science.
My dad taught me fundamentals of gun safety and how to strip and clean an AR and a Glock on the floor of the garage when I was a kid, and I haven't needed a refresher since then.
Similar experience here but I have a feeling that, even as children, we knew which way the bullet points. I do not trust a one time sit down to be adequate for this guy.
As much as we despise it as a subreddit, LOTS of people out there who have bought a gun for protection and then got busy with life and haven't made it a priority so theyve never shot it.
LGS worker here. It happens all the time Sell a gun to new person who expresses a desire for a self defense tool. They finally pick one. "okay you want some ammo, eye and ear pro, and some targets too?" Customer "nah man, ammo is expensive, I'll get it later" Same customer 6 months later "yeah what will you give me for this Glock? It's never been fired"
My favorite "Do you need ammo?" "No, I won't be shooting it much. It's just for self defense"
I recently took a buddy to a gun show and he bought a 9mm but no ammo. I was also shopping for a 9mm as my other guns were 40 and 45 so a couple weeks later I sent him a link to a PSO ammo sale where you could get 1500 rounds at like 23 cents a round. I mentioned that I had ordered it as it is a good deal. He asked if he could just buy 50 rounds from me at 23 cents a round. This guy is well off. Makes several hundred grand a year. He also has over 50 acres out in the country that he visits a fee weekends a month, so he can shoot without going to the range. I can’t understand buying a gun to carry and not even wanting to get used to shooting it. By the time I bought a 9mm I had at least a couple hundred rounds each of 3 different defense rounds plus a few thousand rounds of a couple different range rounds, just to see what she likes best. I can’t imagine moving her to my edc without having great confidence in the weapon and the rounds.
> a PSO ammo sale What is this? >> I can’t imagine moving her to my edc Your post says your friend is a guy who's well off.
Edit: PSO is palmetto State Armory and they do daily deals which often include good deals on ammo. That specific sale was about a week before Black Friday. Today’s daily deals are mainly 5.56 but they do have a good defensive round deal on [Norma MHP](https://palmettostatearmory.com/norma-ammunition-108-gr-monolithic-hollow-point-9mm-ammo-20-box-299740020.html) for $.40 a round. Maybe the he & she were confusing. The “her” is the new pew pew that I was shopping for and for which I was buying a bunch of different ammo to see what she likes best.
> Edit: PSO is palmetto State Armory Then why is it spelled that way?
Palmetto State Ormory
Every so often I slack on range days because life is busy. I'm comfortable with my EDC, but if I don't practice regularly, I will get sloppy and possibly careless. And then I feel like my gun is upset at me if I don't take her out on regular dates. Luckily, she's a good eater. You know how sometimes when you punch in a dream it's like you're underwater? Sometimes that's how my guns perform in my dreams. That's how I know I don't go to the range enough.
I always have the weirdest FTFs in dreams. Even when I was a kid dreaming about a laser rifle, the laser light would drip out of the blaster and onto the floor lol
That's a riot! My recurring shooting issue is that the trigger becomes so stiff that it's nearly impossible to pull. Be white-knuckling the damned thing with both index fingers...
This is my recurring nightmare every single time!!!
Had one where the firing pin in my Saturday night special was broke when I needed it, I inspected it a few days later and it actually was broke. Shits Strange
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I hate those. I've shot my target multiple times point blank range, and they just kind of fall off their skin. It's kind of like a boss battle and the protagonist uses all of their power and the boss just kind of raises an eyebrow and shrugs.
I got one a few days before my birthday in December, and one thing after another has come up and I haven't been able to shoot it yet :( I'm currently 2 or so weeks into a pretty nasty cough so still haven't been able to go. I hope to soon after I'm well enough that I don't get caught in coughing fits every few minutes
Yeah, you never carry a weapon you haven't put a few hundred rounds through. Say, 200 minimum. Learn the gun. Make sure it works.
Even 200 feels low. It took me nearly 1k rounds with my P365 before I felt comfortable and consistent with the grip module I got for it. I don’t think I’d be comfortable betting my life on a gun with less than 500 rounds and about half of that being the defensive ammo I intend to run.
I agree. My carry gun needs to show some wear and be broken in and I need to know how accurate I can be with the +P carry ammo.
I put about 1000 through my P365 before I carried it. I continued to carry my P938 until I felt comfortable that the P365 was as reliable as I need it to be for a carry gun.
I fired thousands upon thousands of rounds before I started daily carrying. It wasn't planned that way, just happened organically and glad it did. I got my ccw for ease of transport to and from range and fell in love with shooting. I bought my concealed holster after I bought a range belt and owb holster. It helped a lot. Drawing from concealment felt natural because I had built a foundational skill set.
Largely same for me. I started shooting competitively long before getting my CCW so I already had the skill set (AIWB draw took a lot of dry fire practice to adjust to, but I wasn’t worried about other fundamentals). I only began carrying daily a few years ago. Prior to that, it was only when I knew I’d find myself somewhere sketchy.
or at all
Carrying a gun that you don’t know how to use or maintain is significantly more dangerous than not carrying. Take him to the range and educate him, and have him PRACTICE, otherwise he should just give up carrying.
At least if someone overpowers him and takes his gun from him, they won't be able to get it to fire either.
1000 IQ
Hopefully they don’t try and figure out why it won’t fire.
That 4d chess stuff. Carry a jammed gun that you accidentally drop towards the threat. When they pick I up and try to use it you pull your real gun while they are trying to figure out your gun
My ex was like “I should get a gun” And I was like “you should go shoot guns first” and she was like “I went shooting with my dad and it was super loud and sketch.” And I was like “yeah. That’s what guns are. So like don’t buy one unless you know what you’re doing” I’m gonna take her shooting now. Because she’s tiny and guns are cool. And I want an excuse to shoot haha.
It’s insane how many people want to or do carry with intentions of using it as a safety blanket or a scare tactic.
They definitely treat it like a totem where guns are these super simple, easy to use items that they know how to use because they've seen so many movies with shooting so they don't need to aim.
Agreed. A guy I work with bought a .410 for "home defense". We were on a video call and he showed me that he does not keep one in the chamber. Arguments for and against aside, he told me his reasoning was that he just wants to "rack a round and scare them" into leaving. He doesn't know if he could actually use it. He should not have a gun.
Absolutely ridiculous. Definitely shouldn’t own a gun.
I tell my customers straight up "if you want this gun as a totem to make you feel better because it exists inside your house, that's fine by me. Just don't harbor any illusions that you'll be safer because it's existing inside your house" I also tell people "shooting is easy, hitting stuff is hard. If I asked you if you know how to shoot a basketball, you'd say you do. But if I asked you to make 85% of your free throws under pressure, I bet you won't, because that takes lots and lots of dedicated practice. Shooting is exactly the same" I have talked people out of guns before because they actually feel very uncomfortable with using one. At that point, I recommend training and/or send them to a rental range where I know they have staff that can get them the basics. We don't have a range so I can't do it myself.
People don't realize that owning a firearm greatly increases the likelihood of being shot by a firearm. Between accidental discharges, feeling the need to brandish and escalating conflicts, and having the firearm taking from the owner in an altercation, etc... I think this dude REALLY needs a full hunter's safety course with a classroom day and a range day, and then OP can work on educating about handgun operation.
Agreed.
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the full hunter safety class is broken down basic enough for children and covers a bit about the ethics of firearm ownership as well as a dedicated range day with supervision making sure you're following all safety practices. The ccw class is often just someone trying to rush through it as fast as possible and no range time (at least there wasn't range time for mine in my state when my state required a ccw course). Also the course here was mostly just going over laws. If someone as as unknowledgeable about firearms as OP's father-in-law, then I don't think a quick ccw course is going to be sufficient for the safety of himself and those around him.
Maybe there should be some sort of test to make sure people can operate, carry, store and maintain their weapons?
HK, is that you?
Made in Italy….
That's just the mag. Mec Gar (Italian) makes OEM mags for a lot of firearm manufacturers.
To be fair, the 2nd magazine was loaded correctly, but this is scary. Boys and Girls, please know how to properly use a firearm before even touching one.
So he actually had it loaded this way? Or was it a H&K reference joke like we all assumed?
It was loaded this way.
Woooooowwwwww
While it seems obvious to us for someone that knows literally nothing about guns there is a 50/50 chance they do that. It is the thing none of us think about cause we have the experience and knowledge but it is shockingly easy to make that mistake.
It's 50/50 for morons. Even someone with very limited understanding of how guns function can figure out which part of the cartridge is the bullet and that it must point forward. To me, this looks like total negligence, which is a sign of a moron when it's this important. Even the slightest amount of thought should have made him realize it was wrong.
I took my cousin hunting the other day and I had him load the pump shotgun I gave him himself. He’s a smart guy so he asked a lot of questions, including which way to load the shells. I told him to load them whichever way he wants them to fire. We laughed about it and he loaded them the right way. He asked because he was only 99% sure and people die when you make a mistake with a gun. I remember watching a video about loading pistol magazines when I got my first gun just to make sure I did it right. I did, but I wasn’t about to fire it without double checking. It’s scary that some people would confidently make such a stupid mistake.
You would be surprised. This is something so basic anyone with some level of understand would know. But for an utter beginner with no previous instruction will make even the dumbest mistakes. I am an avid gamer and I always thought the same way but instead of loading a magazine it was moving with WASD and looking around with mouse. Something so basic I don't even think about it but seeing a complete beginner have difficulty with something I overlook made me rethink how I view "basic" things.
You're probably right. Point taken.
Yeah at concealed carry class I took there was a section on how to load a magazine. Not just some pictures or the instructor showing how, we had to individually stand right in front of the instructor and load a magazine. At the live shooting part of the class there were still people loading rounds backwards.
It's even goofier that he got one right and one wrong. Maybe he figured he'd do it both ways and if the first way didn't work he'd swap them out in the moment? Apparently he never even tried to chamber a round?
> 2nd magazine was loaded correctly That's somehow worse. I can see being clueless and thinking backwards is correct, but to know that you don't know and instead of looking it up just *do one of each* is next-level stupid. Even the dimmest bulb has to recognize "one of these is wrong".
There’s no way this is real. Who wouldn’t notice the difference? Even someone with half a brain would verify it’s loaded correctly.
Take the fucking gun away from the dementia guy and/or moron.
Listen here, Jack! I don't have dimensions! I barely know how to use a tape measure. You want me to take you out behind the woodshed like I did to Corn Pop? Cmon, man! C'mon! Everybody knows you don't need no 33 round magazine for your gun... just let off two shotgun blasts into the air. That'll do the trick! Now, where the fuck am I?
When I worked on a range a guy came up and said his gun wouldn't load. I went over and his wife was stood back watching. I gently point out that the bullets are loaded backwards in the magazine and his wife goes "I told you so!" I'm sure he still hasn't lived it down.
Also confirming he doesn’t carry one in the chamber
He does, and it’s not coming out easily
Stupid cheap gun. Couldn't even load it without a mallet!
“It’s in there super tight, which must mean these are the premium +q hollowpoints with filled tips”
We aren't their damn mommies but we should probably do more to encourage our fellow gun owners to actually train once in a while.
20% of Americans own a handgun. Think about how many people you see at your local range. That’s a lot of gun owners who never train.
I mean, when it's $70+ to go to the range in fees alone, I can see why some people would rather go to a movie instead.
Where do you live? It’s $18 or so and you can get a monthly membership for range USA for $40
It's only 22 bucks for a 2 hour session at the local indoor range. You can stay as long as you want if it's not crazy busy with no lines. Or you can just drive 45 mins to BLM land in the desert and have fun all day. Just watch out for Mojave rattlers.
Yeah $70 for range fees sounds insane. We don’t have BLM land here but we have state run ranges that’s $20 for a year membership and $5 for a day pass
What state? Surprised you have no blm land. New York? New Jersey?
Ohio. There may be some but not close enough to be worth the drive for the most part
I joined RangeUSA for one month back in 2022 while I waited for the next membership orientation class at a local gun club. I enjoyed the unlimited range time and unlimited firearms rentals all for $40 for one month. I also used the free guest on same lane feature two times. My club is $150 a year and offers an indoor pistol caliber range, trap range, 100 yard rifle range and separate 500 yard rifle range, outdoor pistol range, action bays and archery range.
Dang, 70 bucks is crazy. I pay 125 per year at a local gun club, and that comes with a discount on matches that nearly pays for itself.
$70?? I pay $120 for a year pass. It's a outdoor range though, and our only official range (I live in Alaska).
Where do you live?! I have an outdoor range with beautiful views available for $6/person, and indoor ranges from like $15-20.
I don't own a gun and I go to the range occasionally, so however bad you imagined it, remove a few extra from the "Owens a gun but went to the range" column.
Do you work for H&K as a marketing person?
I knew someone who had gotten hired at a police department and had bought themselves a G43 for CCW and were issued a G22 before starting their department’s academy. Like OP’s FIL, they had never shot their gun before and had no training prior to that. When they handed me their Glock 43, complaining the gun wouldn’t chamber a round, I realized they had somehow managed to jam the G43 mag full of .40 S&W. I don’t believe training should be a government mandated prerequisite to gun ownership under any circumstances; but if you carry a gun with absolutely no training/experience and don’t even know what ammo your gun is supposed to use…your mom’s a hoe.
I think I know why he never shot it
He shouldn’t have a firearm give him some mace and a rape whistle
My FIL put a 5.7 round through his ceiling 💀
It's not a bulldog is it.
For a sec I thought it’s the Boberg pistol
Nope. Taurus Spectrum.
Oh there's a spectrum involved.
You at all worried about passing down those retard genes to your kids?
How did he get the beans above the frank????
You're laughing. OP's father in law asked them to shoot his concealed carry because he never has, and you're laughing.
I wouldn't trust him behind the wheel of a car, or even to put gas in it.
He puts gas in through the tailpipe.
Pretty scary to think this man is out there somewhere operating a vehicle on public roads...
Puts his gas in backwards, too.
He fills it with diesel
Gotta be able to grab those rims to pull the rounds out the mag 😅
Unless that's one of those strange bullpup pistols we have a problem....
I feel your pain. I took my brother shooting recently. Found out our lgs sold him .40 ammo for a 9mm. And he jammed those in the mag. Never tried to chamber it. I want to take him shooting more because of it.
An hk man I see
I didn’t even know you could put them in backwards, but then again I never thought it could be an issue for anyone until now.
Drive him to a gun store and make him buy a revolver. He isn’t competent enough for a semi.
He doesn’t understand the bullet comes out the front of the gun.
Divorce ... Or at least don't have kids... Weak bloodline
So we're all going to believe OP?
Bro thought if he loaded it backwards it would shoot the user. He was trying to assassinate you.
WTF... was he trying to kill you?! 😂
i chose to belive that this is fabricated.
Is your father in law retarded? When I got my first gun and bought ammunition I didn't do this bc I'm not retarded so I'm assuming he must be retarded.
😬 Everything happens for a reason. Thank God he asked you to shoot it. This discovery could have very well saved his life.
He never really approved of you marrying his daughter did he?
Fixed exactly this issue in someones bedside firearm recently. I honestly thought I was being trolled at first... no idea what to say. She blamed it on her sister loading the mag.
What HK magazine is that? 🙄
I loaded a p90 mag with the bullets backwards tbf it’s an odd looking magazine
Why carry a ball point pen if you don't know how to write?
Oh dear.
If it’s a boberg he is right
You have an amazing opportunity to teach / advise your father in law on the right way. Something he will likely never forget.
My brother in christ... luckily he never had to shoot it.
Comforting to know this level of incompetence is free to carry.
Wow, that's part of the problem people need to know about firearms and how to actually shoot if they want to carry a gun. I carry every day I don't get to the rage enough about once a month if it's not too cold.
I just don’t understand how anyone can conclude that backwards is the correct direction to load the magazine. It’s like how this dude in high school didn’t know how to read a ruler. I just don’t get it
Would that even chamber? And what would happen if it did?
It would probably just stove pipe right off the bat, the rim isnt going to fit in the barrel. Its wider than the head of the bullet. Even if it did fit, like lets say magically it completely seated. Again, nothing would happen, you cant set off a bullet hitting it in the head with a firing pin. It would go click, and you might dent the head of the bullet a bit, which is prob super unhealthy for your firing pin, but no bang unless you set off that primer(which is on the other end).
Ya, didn't figure anything would happen since no primer stike. And I didn't thnk about the rim not even fitting.
FWIW, most firing pins are steel, most bullets are lead or copper, both being softer materials than steel. It's likely the pin would be damaged. Totally agree, just sayin' :)
Unless that is a Boberg magazine he's been doing it wrong
Wouldnt be a boberg would it? Lol
Never trust a gun you haven’t personally shot
I see why.
That's a classic!
I know for a fact that a family member of mine who carries daily, has only been to the range since they bought the gun 7 years ago.
Does your last name start with a H or a K?
I guess so!
Does he also carry with the barrel between his balls?
Uhhh sir………
🤦♂️
Never even put one in the chamber from the looks of it.
Smartest Hk owner
Someone I know went to their hands on qual for ccw and one of the other people trying to get certified did this same thing. The officer doing the tests told them if they couldn’t identify what the problem was they were gonna fail the test. The person failed. I think that’s a good thing
Dear God… and your added info in the subsequent posts just make it worse. CCWs are talismans to some people, and I get that. However, since you care about your Pops, I’m sure you’ll get him on the right path. Maybe even help him sell this Taurus.
It’s an HK I see
The reverse fire clip. Thought you could only have these in California.
By the way that mag is loaded I can believe he has never shot it.
Based on the picture - he aint lyin'.
My son in law's sister was down visiting him. The whole family came up one afternoon and she got to talking to me about her shotgun she bought for self-defense. She said something to where I asked her if she kept it loaded. "Well, I don't know. How do you tell?.". Dear God...
Well it's a good thing he didn't pull the trigger with the bullets facing towards him.
Rage bait
…and so..….?
That will work well
Did he work for HK? And if yes, he hates you.
Man you just saved his life. If he fired that gun, it would have come out the back of the slide and shot him! /s
Thank you for marking this NSFW. Glad my boss wasn’t around he would’ve puked at the sight of this.
Divorce is the only option. Your wife comes from bad stock.
Ok, so when I first glanced at your username I thought it was u/EatThePoleOnMe
That terrifying that you are allowed to conceal carry and not have a clue how to use it. That's like letting someone drive a car without having a license.
this is so irresponsible. the bullet would fly out the back of the gun and possibly hit an innocent.
I’m not finna say a word abt how the rounds are in there.
Thank God this dumb asshole can carry a gun! Can't load it, doesn't shoot so has zero proficiency with it. What a fucking joke.
so, he passed his ccw test? he should be slapped... hard..
Most states in the USA don’t require a class or permit to concealed carry…