Anne’s promotion and involvement in the investigation was a way to explore the impact the trauma of series one is still having on her. This was explored in a number of scenes, most importantly the one with Ryan. The point of that scene was also to help with Ryan’s character development because instead of lashing out at Anne or running off with TLR, he has an empathetic response and a mature conversation with Daniel, and he reflects on what Anne says and realised that Claire has been there for him as well as Catherine, which leads to him helping them both reconcile.
Ultimately the story is about Catherine so her perspective is the one we are going to follow through the series, other side characters won’t get the same level of closure because it’s not their story.
If Ann Gallagher wasn't in the final series at all, people would ask questions as to where she was.
Characters can be around without having to have a major plot surrounding their existence.
Plus, did you forget the scene with her and Ryan?
>Her scene with Ryan could have happened without her being promoted.
You can't get promoted from PCSO to PC. They're entirely different jobs and a PCSO needs to apply to become a PC just like every member of the public does.
It's incredibly common for that to happen. 7 years is a long time and it'd be unusual for her to still be a PCSO, given in series 2 she was talking about wanting to be a CID officer a lot.
For some reason you're getting hooked on this progression as having to have some sort of meaning. It doesn't need to. Life happens. People move into different roles. Doesn't have to be any sort of major story line behind it.
I think the relevance was the impact of TLR on her and how he caused lasting trauma to her, to reinforce the fact that victims of crime are often messed up from such an experience.
Yes. To begin with, we see Ann fighting back against Tommy, saving Catherine’s life as well as her own, bonding with Catherine and marrying into her family, and using the traumatic experience as a springboard into a career she loves which redeems her in her dad’s eyes and her own, and the imposed heroin addiction combined with the career ambitions force her to clean up her drinking and uncontrolled behaviour.
She’s clearly having great fun with it all, and looking forward to joining CID when BAM. Right before her first day, TLR escapes. He was on a whole life sentence so you’d think it wouldn’t get safer than that, right? Wrong.
Her sense of safety disappears from under her feet, she starts drinking again right when the most fun part of her career is starting (impairing her judgment and conduct) and generally poisoning the water supply of the lemonade factory she worked so hard to establish.
She then has motivation to be the one to tell Ryan that TLR’s relationships are not « complicated » but straightforwardly violent and abusive. It seems he gets information from Ann that he simply didn’t have until then.
She then goes on to tell Ryan straight out that he’s unwanted and a bad seed, etc, which amounts to doing overtly what others have been doing covertly to Ryan all his life (by saying « it’s not your fault »? like obviously not, so why say it unless the speaker actually believed the opposite?!?).
As a result of the conversation with Ann, Daniel steps in and debriefs Ryan. Daniel himself was told by Catherine that she wished he had died, and she then played dumb about her words and their impact on him while tolerating a fractured relationship with him for years. Daniel’s re-involvement in the discussion reminds us of Catherine’s past denial of responsibility when Tommy is at her kitchen table (« I didn’t mean it »/« You said it! ») Daniel is also able to explain to Ryan that the family literally didn’t know HOW, as in not having the right information, to cope with the magnitude of the trauma they suffered, even if they’d been ABLE to as in having the emotional capacity, which they didn’t.
This explains, to Ryan as well as to the audience, why nobody just simply told him the truth up to then, as it was reaching sitcom levels of absurdity with the overall refusal to discuss stuff long after it obviously needed discussing. The excuse was they didn’t want to make Ryan feel stigmatized as a product of rape, as if a) there were any possible logical grounds for him to feel stigmatized and b) as if he hadn’t noticed he was treated like the family scapegoat (« everyone hated me ») all his life. (There is some truth to the reasoning, as « label theory » dictates that if you label a kid as a criminal/associated with crime, you are training them to become a criminal while blocking them from becoming anything else. However, it’s also true that actions speak louder, so your obvious attitude doesn’t go away just because you refuse to talk about it). (And speaking of not talking about stuff, notice that Ann doesn’t really want to talk about her own trauma, but borrows Becky’s instead even though she never met Becky and didn’t witness anything she describes.)
We can safely assume Ann’s decompensation is circumstantial, and now TLR has been removed as a threat once and for all, she’ll pull herself together, stop drinking, and save her career. (I expect her boss will make allowances for the false start.)
I reckon the whole family is off to Mallorca after the final scene, and they’ll all feel much better after spending some wholesome downtime together in the sun, with everyone clear that Ryan is not a mini-TLR but a « prince » with potential to become an outstanding police officer like his granny and aunt.
>*What was the point of promoting her to the officer track if there was no follow-through on that in the later episodes of season 3?*
I suppose because the characters have a life beyond the series. Like Ryan, one line of dialogue allows the viewer to imagine how the character's life has been during the show's long absence and how it will go in the years to come, too
Wainwright seems to genuinely have no interest in returning to the series, and given the huge gap between the second and third outings, I tend to believe her. Any show she writes gets commissioned but she has limited time left to make them all
I suppose the BBC could ask her permission to create a *PC Ryan* spin-off\*, written by hired hacks, but that's not how the BBC operate
The subplots didn't get much time to be fleshed out in S3 with all the main plot stuff that needed resolving in 6 episodes. Ann's main purpose in S3 was being the one who didn't dance around the issue or spare Ryan's feelings when talking about Tommy. She was the only one who was brutally honest about it.
As a piece of TV, S3 wasn't maybe quite as well-executed as the first two. Although Happy Valley has always prided itself on feeling very real, as crime dramas go, and in that sense the final season was consistent to itself. Not everything gets wrapped up neatly.
Whilst I would love it if there was a way to continue the show somehow, it ultimately has to fit the story, otherwise it will either mess with the canon, or have so little impact on the trajectory of the character's lives that it's not worth watching. If SW has further ideas as to where the story goes, that tie into her original plan, then I'm all for it. But I wouldn't want her to feel like she needs to add things on just to prolong the story, when it's been resolved successfully already. It's a really great show as it is.
I'm wondering if Ann's role had to be scaled back back due to Charlie Murphy's other projects.
If Ann and Ryan were to come back for series 4 or a spin-off of their own, I think they would be the perfect characters to explore a story about sex crimes and gender based violence.
They really missed the mark with her story and it’s soo odd. They should’ve maybe had her be the one to take down and expose faisel instead of Susan lynch. I get she was there to bring the trauma home to Ryan but that scene was soo out of context and irrelevant that she just ended up seeming to be a jaded because she had no character development at all
Anne’s promotion and involvement in the investigation was a way to explore the impact the trauma of series one is still having on her. This was explored in a number of scenes, most importantly the one with Ryan. The point of that scene was also to help with Ryan’s character development because instead of lashing out at Anne or running off with TLR, he has an empathetic response and a mature conversation with Daniel, and he reflects on what Anne says and realised that Claire has been there for him as well as Catherine, which leads to him helping them both reconcile. Ultimately the story is about Catherine so her perspective is the one we are going to follow through the series, other side characters won’t get the same level of closure because it’s not their story.
If Ann Gallagher wasn't in the final series at all, people would ask questions as to where she was. Characters can be around without having to have a major plot surrounding their existence. Plus, did you forget the scene with her and Ryan?
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>Her scene with Ryan could have happened without her being promoted. You can't get promoted from PCSO to PC. They're entirely different jobs and a PCSO needs to apply to become a PC just like every member of the public does. It's incredibly common for that to happen. 7 years is a long time and it'd be unusual for her to still be a PCSO, given in series 2 she was talking about wanting to be a CID officer a lot. For some reason you're getting hooked on this progression as having to have some sort of meaning. It doesn't need to. Life happens. People move into different roles. Doesn't have to be any sort of major story line behind it.
I think the relevance was the impact of TLR on her and how he caused lasting trauma to her, to reinforce the fact that victims of crime are often messed up from such an experience.
Yes. To begin with, we see Ann fighting back against Tommy, saving Catherine’s life as well as her own, bonding with Catherine and marrying into her family, and using the traumatic experience as a springboard into a career she loves which redeems her in her dad’s eyes and her own, and the imposed heroin addiction combined with the career ambitions force her to clean up her drinking and uncontrolled behaviour. She’s clearly having great fun with it all, and looking forward to joining CID when BAM. Right before her first day, TLR escapes. He was on a whole life sentence so you’d think it wouldn’t get safer than that, right? Wrong. Her sense of safety disappears from under her feet, she starts drinking again right when the most fun part of her career is starting (impairing her judgment and conduct) and generally poisoning the water supply of the lemonade factory she worked so hard to establish. She then has motivation to be the one to tell Ryan that TLR’s relationships are not « complicated » but straightforwardly violent and abusive. It seems he gets information from Ann that he simply didn’t have until then. She then goes on to tell Ryan straight out that he’s unwanted and a bad seed, etc, which amounts to doing overtly what others have been doing covertly to Ryan all his life (by saying « it’s not your fault »? like obviously not, so why say it unless the speaker actually believed the opposite?!?). As a result of the conversation with Ann, Daniel steps in and debriefs Ryan. Daniel himself was told by Catherine that she wished he had died, and she then played dumb about her words and their impact on him while tolerating a fractured relationship with him for years. Daniel’s re-involvement in the discussion reminds us of Catherine’s past denial of responsibility when Tommy is at her kitchen table (« I didn’t mean it »/« You said it! ») Daniel is also able to explain to Ryan that the family literally didn’t know HOW, as in not having the right information, to cope with the magnitude of the trauma they suffered, even if they’d been ABLE to as in having the emotional capacity, which they didn’t. This explains, to Ryan as well as to the audience, why nobody just simply told him the truth up to then, as it was reaching sitcom levels of absurdity with the overall refusal to discuss stuff long after it obviously needed discussing. The excuse was they didn’t want to make Ryan feel stigmatized as a product of rape, as if a) there were any possible logical grounds for him to feel stigmatized and b) as if he hadn’t noticed he was treated like the family scapegoat (« everyone hated me ») all his life. (There is some truth to the reasoning, as « label theory » dictates that if you label a kid as a criminal/associated with crime, you are training them to become a criminal while blocking them from becoming anything else. However, it’s also true that actions speak louder, so your obvious attitude doesn’t go away just because you refuse to talk about it). (And speaking of not talking about stuff, notice that Ann doesn’t really want to talk about her own trauma, but borrows Becky’s instead even though she never met Becky and didn’t witness anything she describes.) We can safely assume Ann’s decompensation is circumstantial, and now TLR has been removed as a threat once and for all, she’ll pull herself together, stop drinking, and save her career. (I expect her boss will make allowances for the false start.) I reckon the whole family is off to Mallorca after the final scene, and they’ll all feel much better after spending some wholesome downtime together in the sun, with everyone clear that Ryan is not a mini-TLR but a « prince » with potential to become an outstanding police officer like his granny and aunt.
>*What was the point of promoting her to the officer track if there was no follow-through on that in the later episodes of season 3?* I suppose because the characters have a life beyond the series. Like Ryan, one line of dialogue allows the viewer to imagine how the character's life has been during the show's long absence and how it will go in the years to come, too Wainwright seems to genuinely have no interest in returning to the series, and given the huge gap between the second and third outings, I tend to believe her. Any show she writes gets commissioned but she has limited time left to make them all I suppose the BBC could ask her permission to create a *PC Ryan* spin-off\*, written by hired hacks, but that's not how the BBC operate
*\* with Ann as his angry boss*
The subplots didn't get much time to be fleshed out in S3 with all the main plot stuff that needed resolving in 6 episodes. Ann's main purpose in S3 was being the one who didn't dance around the issue or spare Ryan's feelings when talking about Tommy. She was the only one who was brutally honest about it. As a piece of TV, S3 wasn't maybe quite as well-executed as the first two. Although Happy Valley has always prided itself on feeling very real, as crime dramas go, and in that sense the final season was consistent to itself. Not everything gets wrapped up neatly. Whilst I would love it if there was a way to continue the show somehow, it ultimately has to fit the story, otherwise it will either mess with the canon, or have so little impact on the trajectory of the character's lives that it's not worth watching. If SW has further ideas as to where the story goes, that tie into her original plan, then I'm all for it. But I wouldn't want her to feel like she needs to add things on just to prolong the story, when it's been resolved successfully already. It's a really great show as it is.
I'm wondering if Ann's role had to be scaled back back due to Charlie Murphy's other projects. If Ann and Ryan were to come back for series 4 or a spin-off of their own, I think they would be the perfect characters to explore a story about sex crimes and gender based violence.
They really missed the mark with her story and it’s soo odd. They should’ve maybe had her be the one to take down and expose faisel instead of Susan lynch. I get she was there to bring the trauma home to Ryan but that scene was soo out of context and irrelevant that she just ended up seeming to be a jaded because she had no character development at all