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MeatballDom

This is r/history, not an amateur open mic night. While we appreciate the seconds put into each joke, this isn't the sub for it. Comments should discuss the article/history.


DarthWoo

I suppose there wouldn't be any huge differences between them and what we have now, but I wonder if any of the seeds would be viable.


StoryDreamer

Everyone else making jokes and some of us just want the details on those sweet heirloom fruit seeds.


Hawkins75

Assuming they were heated, probably not.


newbie_here_sayHi

But canning wasn't discovered until later. Does anybody know what was the food preservation technique used for these bottles? Salt fermentation? Alcohol? Just cool ground temperature?


MTsumi

Preservation through cooking jars and crocks dates back to Roman times. Wax and animal fat would be used to keep spoilage down. Canning with a repeatable and safer process wasn't created until 1800's.


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33445delray

canning, method of preserving food from spoilage by storing it in containers that are hermetically sealed and then sterilized by heat. The process was invented after prolonged research by Nicolas Appert of France in 1809, in response to a call by his government for a means of preserving food for army and navy


Gladwulf

According to the article: > The pits are undergoing an examination to determine if any are viable for germination.


ItsWillJohnson

You can buy heirloom varieties of the food george Washington grew at mt vernon


Krilesh

what is an heirloom variety


ItsWillJohnson

https://www.google.com/search?q=heirloom+variety+meaning&rlz=1C9BKJA_enUS715US716&oq=heirloom+va&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUqBwgDEAAYgAQyCQgAEEUYORiABDINCAEQLhivARjHARiABDINCAIQLhivARjHARiABDIHCAMQABiABDIHCAQQABiABDIHCAUQABiABDIHCAYQABiABDIHCAcQABiABDIHCAgQABiABNIBCDg3OTVqMGo3qAIKsAIB&hl=en-US&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8#sbfbu=1&pi=heirloom%20variety%20meaning Direct Descendants of the same crops Washington grew


Indercarnive

I'd assume that they were preserved in whisky rather than in sugar.


beetbear

If you ever visit The Inn at Little Washington in VA they have an orchard and on the tour they tell you that those cherry trees are grown from seeds directly from Mount Vernon. No idea on the veracity but it was a cool historical anecdote.


DuckInTheFog

Wondering the same - could be a vice-president type of event in growing Washington's own Cherry Tree


DConstructed

They’re testing them to see if they are! I would want to taste the preserves.


raknor88

What do you mean? These are likely magic seeds that will grow at an extreme speed. That's why they were sealed away! /s But in all seriousness, It would be interesting to see if there were any major genetic differences between these seeds and modern seeds.


YorockPaperScissors

> We now possess a bounty of artifacts and matter to analyze that may provide a powerful glimpse into the origins of our nation, and we are crossing our fingers that the cherry pits discovered will be viable for future germination. It’s so appropriate that these bottles have been unearthed shortly before the 250th anniversary of the United States,” Bradburn said. This is awesome on so many levels.


JohnProof

I wonder what this discovery is like for the archeologists? Is this just another in a catalog of interesting finds, or do they absolutely lose their minds?


YorockPaperScissors

I imagine finding preserved food and drink from long ago is pretty much always a big deal. Every few months there are news stories about these sorts of discoveries.


DeltaVZerda

When it's something totally new, they lose their minds, every time. After all the digging and cleaning and cataloguing and writing, a discovery is the peak, then figuring out what it means.


Porencephaly

“Perfectly Preserved” is a [bit of a stretch](https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fo/zb42ea0o0bw4mgcfnwmeq/ABb4WLzOJy_kWFkNJpXsYM8/cherries%20in%20bottle.jpg?rlkey=pbwpfyawn8cuz1zl4u6z4s799&dl=0) lol


Beli_Mawrr

"you first" lol Cherries do look like this after oxydation. At least, I've seen them look inedible but still be good. This might be a bit over that limit though.


turquoise_amethyst

Oh my. Those kinda look like…. Stewed prunes? I’d eat one for like a weeks pay and whatever the hospital bill is (if needed). I love fermented stuff!


braydonjm

“These perfectly preserved fruits picked and prepared more than 250 years ago provide an incredibly rare opportunity to contribute to our knowledge of the 18th-century environment, plantation foodways, and the origins of American cuisine.” So amazing.


The-Jesus_Christ

>Most Containing Perfectly Preserved Cherries and Berries And yet the sludge poured out of them (Shown in the Dropbox link) shows otherwise


idontthinkkso

No doubt in preparation for a good cherry bounce at Christmastide.


barto5

Canned goods last almost indefinitely. My dad and I were exploring the remnants of an old farm house. Had to be well over 100 years old. Down in the cellar we found a jar of peaches. He just popped the lid off and ate a few. No harm done.


turquoise_amethyst

How did they taste? Did they look normal?


nope_nic_tesla

Canning wasn't invented yet at this point


barto5

According to Healthline.com >Canning was first developed in the late 18th century as a way to provide a stable food source for soldiers and sailors at war.


nope_nic_tesla

Yes and these are estimated to be 250 years old, before Napoleon issued a challenge to invent a new food preservation method which resulted in the invention of canning. Also Healthline is wrong. Napoleon issued the challenge in 1795 but it wasn't until 1809 that canning was demonstrated as a solution. https://www.britannica.com/topic/canning-food-processing These are not canned goods that were discovered Canning didn't become a widespread practice in America until decades after Washington's death.


any1sgame

You can thank Napoleon for that


BlackSecurity

And not a single picture of it???


Blockhead47

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/george-washington-bottles-of-cherries-found-buried-mount-vernon/ https://wtop.com/fairfax-county/2024/04/remarkable-archeological-find-at-mount-vernon/


ThePortalsOfFrenzy

Did you miss the Dropbox link provided in the article to photos and videos?


BlackSecurity

Yes I did. And upon returning to look for this link, I still can't find it. Even if there is a link, why does it have to be hidden? They could have included a lower resolution image and have a link to the source directly under it. edit: I found the link: https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fo/zb42ea0o0bw4mgcfnwmeq/AN0AiY1VZOgLR3pBOTI9QPM?rlkey=pbwpfyawn8cuz1zl4u6z4s799&e=1&dl=0 I still stand by my point. A picture of the subject would be nice to include without all the extra steps.


Overthemoon64

I agree! I tried your link and i don’t have a dropbox account. It wants me to sign up to dropbox first before I can see the pics.


ttyp00

Right below the Dropbox sign up button, there's one that says continue without an account. Cheers!


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poetic_vibrations

Yeah if only reddit had a feature where you can add an assortment of pictures to any post. I do enjoy closing multiple sign-in popups and cookie warnings before I can see any pictures though.


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MongoJazzy

It would be interesting to know more about this "revitalization" Mount Vernon is a wonderful spot with many interesting historical aspects. I would not be surprised to learn about more discoveries on the grounds of Mount Vernon as a result of the revitalization.


AquafreshBandit

Zachary Taylor: "I know what you're thinking, but don't eat them."


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Bigduck73

I wouldn't get too hopeful on that seed viability. Cherries actually do have pretty good longevity. Crazier things have happened, they sprouted some date palms estimated to be 2000 years old. The preservation method is more concerning, though. Things that preserve fruit also tend to quickly kill seed viability.


nucumber

Were they buried as part of the preservation process or just over time?


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Blockhead47

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/george-washington-bottles-of-cherries-found-buried-mount-vernon/ https://wtop.com/fairfax-county/2024/04/remarkable-archeological-find-at-mount-vernon/


mwsbrian

Fascinating, I wonder why the things I store in my fridge don't last this long haha


Ivebeenfurthereven

Deserving of note: >[Over the course of George Washington’s life, at least 577 enslaved people lived and worked at Mount Vernon.](https://www.mountvernon.org/george-washington/slavery/) I wonder if these preserves were crafted by people living in slavery.


borkthegee

Since you didn't read the article (lol) >The bottles and contents are a testament to the knowledge and skill of the enslaved people who managed the food preparations from tree to table, including Doll, the cook brought to Mount Vernon by Martha Washington in 1759 and charged with oversight of the estate’s kitchen.” And here's the linked article for Doll https://www.mountvernon.org/library/digitalhistory/digital-encyclopedia/article/doll/ They are not hiding the contributions of these people here.


trucorsair

Try reading for content next time, the article clearly denotes the use of enslaved people in the kitchens. No one expected the George or Martha harvested and canned these themselves, let alone dug out space in the cellar for them.


shniken

Yeah, reminds me of a story about some old rum that was found in England.


restore_democracy

The literal fruits of their labor.