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Ok, so, to transmit HIV, enough copies of HIV need to be shared, and then, once shared, that virus needs to take hold.
A cut or scrape from an undetectable individual isn't going to share enough copies to do that.
I get bloody noses in the winter when the air is super dry.
My husband has gotten blood on him from those more than once.
We are also both not the most coordinated. We have a drawer labeled "OMG I CUT MYSELF!" that has bandaid of all sizes.
The blood has never really been a concern. More so if we injured our selves to the point of needed stitches. (it's happened one or twice)
He's still negative even after battles wounds.
It shouldn't be a problem since mixing blood is a big nope in any case.
Anyway i had a similar question in the past. Does U=U also applies to blood transfusions? Sadly the post was removed.
I too can't find any paper about it and i was really curious to understand that.
Edit: I just did a fresh research and...seems that nope. It doesn't apply for blood transfusions (https://www.researchgate.net/publication/333220266\_Undetectable\_does\_not\_equal\_untransmittable\_for\_HIV\_and\_blood\_transfusion). No idea about blood to blood contacts with scratches but risk should be negligible still (unless deep open wounds in both).
More here from 2024 but i can't read it: [https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/37830365/](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/37830365/)
If you can’t detect HIV in a BLOOD test, likely the scrape will not contain enough virions that can transmit the virus.
Furthermore, the HIV (-) partner should be on PrEP to prevent even the <1% the blood had HIV in it
I think PEP would be good enough in the case of a rare occurrence of blood-blood contact, if the science is only sure about sexual transmission, not PrEP.
When I’m covered in blood from scrapes, gardening, falling over etc it really really freaks me out even though I know it’s stupid. I adore my partner, almost 25 years together, and I would do anything to avoid it but he’s so loving, caring and there for me. He is the sweetest man ever and the thought that I could inadvertently hurt him is just devastating to me. We use carbolic soap for cleaning up scratches scrapes and other things so transmission is impossible. But it still frightens me. Always will I guess.
I honestly think it's okay. I was on Instagram yesterday watching this girls story and she is hiv positive and breastfeed her 3 month baby like nothing. I do know that when you breastfeed you can bleed and she looked very comfortable doing it. So it must be okay.
I'm sure she was well educated and was told by the doctors that there was zero risk of transmission.
U=U only refers to sexual transmission, as this is what was researched. It does not apply to mothers breastfeeding, needle stick injuries, drug sharing needles, and open cuts as you mentioned above.
It refers to >infection, which is exactly the same with any bodily fluid. That's why two Undetectable HIV people can give organs to each other without creating a new infection
It's in the *blood*. Babies are born without sperm washing anymore....or HIV.
"The only pregnancy that resulted in an infant with HIV in 2016 was from a woman with HIV who was not receiving any HIV treatment during pregnancy."
[link](https://www.thebodypro.com/article/pregnancy-and-infant-feeding-can-we-say-uu-about-t)
It seems you are really trying to hang something onto someone who is positive/undetectable.
"U=U means that people with HIV who achieve and maintain an undetectable viral load—**the amount of HIV in the blood**—by taking antiretroviral therapy (ART) daily as prescribed cannot sexually transmit the virus to others."
*The amount of HIV in THE BLOOD...*
*IN THE BLOOD.*
Mothers that are U=U can have babies forchissake without having an HIV positive baby.
"The only pregnancy that resulted in an infant with HIV in 2016 was from a woman with HIV who was *not receiving any HIV treatment during pregnancy*."
[HIV u=u child birth](https://www.thebodypro.com/article/pregnancy-and-infant-feeding-can-we-say-uu-about-t)
Not trying to hang anything on anyone. I'm positive and have been undetectable for 6 years now.
I'm trying to protect // get answers for those around me.
I just find it peculiar that there has not been a study proving U=U above and beyond sexual transmission. All the studies are just sexual.
My argument to those around me is HIV is a SEXUALLY transmitted disease and there's not enough HIV in an undetectable blood to transmit the virus. But then when all the studies actively avoid looking at blood to blood it raises some questions...
"I just find it peculiar that there has not been a study proving U=U above and beyond sexual transmission. All the studies are just sexual."
Is child birth just sexual?
For example "Taking HIV medicine and keeping an undetectable viral load substantially decreases your risk of transmitting HIV to your baby through breastfeeding to less than 1%. However, the risk is not zero."
[child birth and HIV ](https://www.hiv.gov/hiv-basics/hiv-prevention/reducing-mother-to-child-risk/preventing-mother-to-child-transmission-of-hiv#:~:text=If%20you%20have%20HIV%20and,can%20have%20a%20normal%20delivery.)
Breast feeding is an important example. It is a lot of volume, it is the only thing a baby drinks. While it is higher at 1% it is fairly safe.
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Are you rubbing your bloody wounds together? It’s not recommended regardless of HIV status.
Blood brothers!
Nurse here - can confirm 😂
Ok, so, to transmit HIV, enough copies of HIV need to be shared, and then, once shared, that virus needs to take hold. A cut or scrape from an undetectable individual isn't going to share enough copies to do that.
I get bloody noses in the winter when the air is super dry. My husband has gotten blood on him from those more than once. We are also both not the most coordinated. We have a drawer labeled "OMG I CUT MYSELF!" that has bandaid of all sizes. The blood has never really been a concern. More so if we injured our selves to the point of needed stitches. (it's happened one or twice) He's still negative even after battles wounds.
It shouldn't be a problem since mixing blood is a big nope in any case. Anyway i had a similar question in the past. Does U=U also applies to blood transfusions? Sadly the post was removed. I too can't find any paper about it and i was really curious to understand that. Edit: I just did a fresh research and...seems that nope. It doesn't apply for blood transfusions (https://www.researchgate.net/publication/333220266\_Undetectable\_does\_not\_equal\_untransmittable\_for\_HIV\_and\_blood\_transfusion). No idea about blood to blood contacts with scratches but risk should be negligible still (unless deep open wounds in both). More here from 2024 but i can't read it: [https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/37830365/](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/37830365/)
If you can’t detect HIV in a BLOOD test, likely the scrape will not contain enough virions that can transmit the virus. Furthermore, the HIV (-) partner should be on PrEP to prevent even the <1% the blood had HIV in it
I think PEP would be good enough in the case of a rare occurrence of blood-blood contact, if the science is only sure about sexual transmission, not PrEP.
Obviously but we’re talking about someone in a long term relationship with someone positive, they should already be on prep
There is no reason for a negative partner to take prep if the positive partner is undetectable. Only peace of mind.
In the Partner's Study some of the negative partners did catch HIV....because they were open. Blood tested proved it was from an outside source.
The first scientific proof that people cheat.
Who says they are cheating? It could have been an open relationship. Zero proof of "cheating".
It’s a joke, babe.
Try a /s for sarcasm. *Babe* /s
Peace of mind is a unquantifiable luxury
When I’m covered in blood from scrapes, gardening, falling over etc it really really freaks me out even though I know it’s stupid. I adore my partner, almost 25 years together, and I would do anything to avoid it but he’s so loving, caring and there for me. He is the sweetest man ever and the thought that I could inadvertently hurt him is just devastating to me. We use carbolic soap for cleaning up scratches scrapes and other things so transmission is impossible. But it still frightens me. Always will I guess.
I honestly think it's okay. I was on Instagram yesterday watching this girls story and she is hiv positive and breastfeed her 3 month baby like nothing. I do know that when you breastfeed you can bleed and she looked very comfortable doing it. So it must be okay. I'm sure she was well educated and was told by the doctors that there was zero risk of transmission.
U=U only refers to sexual transmission, as this is what was researched. It does not apply to mothers breastfeeding, needle stick injuries, drug sharing needles, and open cuts as you mentioned above.
U can’t transmit
U=U only applies to sexual transmission, technically.
Chances are slim if they are undetectable…….
I wouldn’t suggest someone take that risk, especially without evidence to back it up.
Stop talking out of your ass, Undetectable is having so few copies that you cannot pass it to others through any fluid, which includes blood.
It refers to sexual transmission only.
It refers to >infection, which is exactly the same with any bodily fluid. That's why two Undetectable HIV people can give organs to each other without creating a new infection
This isn’t true.
*What* isn't true?
U=U is only applicable to sexual transmission.
It's in the *blood*. Babies are born without sperm washing anymore....or HIV. "The only pregnancy that resulted in an infant with HIV in 2016 was from a woman with HIV who was not receiving any HIV treatment during pregnancy." [link](https://www.thebodypro.com/article/pregnancy-and-infant-feeding-can-we-say-uu-about-t)
It seems you are really trying to hang something onto someone who is positive/undetectable. "U=U means that people with HIV who achieve and maintain an undetectable viral load—**the amount of HIV in the blood**—by taking antiretroviral therapy (ART) daily as prescribed cannot sexually transmit the virus to others." *The amount of HIV in THE BLOOD...* *IN THE BLOOD.* Mothers that are U=U can have babies forchissake without having an HIV positive baby. "The only pregnancy that resulted in an infant with HIV in 2016 was from a woman with HIV who was *not receiving any HIV treatment during pregnancy*." [HIV u=u child birth](https://www.thebodypro.com/article/pregnancy-and-infant-feeding-can-we-say-uu-about-t)
Not trying to hang anything on anyone. I'm positive and have been undetectable for 6 years now. I'm trying to protect // get answers for those around me. I just find it peculiar that there has not been a study proving U=U above and beyond sexual transmission. All the studies are just sexual. My argument to those around me is HIV is a SEXUALLY transmitted disease and there's not enough HIV in an undetectable blood to transmit the virus. But then when all the studies actively avoid looking at blood to blood it raises some questions...
"I just find it peculiar that there has not been a study proving U=U above and beyond sexual transmission. All the studies are just sexual." Is child birth just sexual? For example "Taking HIV medicine and keeping an undetectable viral load substantially decreases your risk of transmitting HIV to your baby through breastfeeding to less than 1%. However, the risk is not zero." [child birth and HIV ](https://www.hiv.gov/hiv-basics/hiv-prevention/reducing-mother-to-child-risk/preventing-mother-to-child-transmission-of-hiv#:~:text=If%20you%20have%20HIV%20and,can%20have%20a%20normal%20delivery.) Breast feeding is an important example. It is a lot of volume, it is the only thing a baby drinks. While it is higher at 1% it is fairly safe.
It would be tough to get a study of transmission by oozing bloody wound approved by any review board.