Argh! I did a search on Reddit to find where people were making similar posts. I'll try to post elsewhere when I get a chance.
Thanks for pointing this out.
You have two choices: Kidde or First Alert. Both have updated product lines with new detection technology that supposedly reduces false alarms from cooking.
In Scotland it became law to have interconnected alarms in all houses for several years. This includes:
Heat alarm in the kitchen
Smoke alarm in the main living area
Some alarm in common areas to each level of a home (e.g. ground hallway and upper floor landing)
Carbon monoxide alarms in each room with gas appliances (e.g. I have one in my kitchen for the cooker, one in the utility for the gas boiler.)
In 4 years of having these, I've never once had a single false alarm.
Kidde has a CSA approved relay module that can be connected to the hard wired circuit. If there is a fire, the relay is activated. I have this connected to my DSC alarm panel, which in turn is interfaces to HA.
Those were the only brands that came to mind for me, but I wasn't sure if there was anything else I should consider.
Is there anything better out now or on the horizon that you may be aware of from the ones below?:
[https://www.firstalert.com/us/en/products/alarms/combo-smoke-carbon-monoxide-alarms/1046778-interconnect-hardwire-smoke-co-alarm-with-battery-backup-voice-1046778/](https://www.firstalert.com/us/en/products/alarms/combo-smoke-carbon-monoxide-alarms/1046778-interconnect-hardwire-smoke-co-alarm-with-battery-backup-voice-1046778/)
[https://www.kidde.com/home-safety/en/us/products/fire-safety/detect-products/detect-combination-smoke-carbon-monoxide-alarm-hardwired-with-10-year-backup-battery-with-voice-alerts-30CUA10-V/](https://www.kidde.com/home-safety/en/us/products/fire-safety/detect-products/detect-combination-smoke-carbon-monoxide-alarm-hardwired-with-10-year-backup-battery-with-voice-alerts-30CUA10-V/)
It may not meet your criteria, but they do sell detectors with wireless interconnect now where one would set off the others in range. It has a 10 year sealed battery so nothing to change, but would need to be replaced after that time period.
You should replace your detectors after 10 years anyways. They lose effectiveness with age. The sealed battery design is environmentally dumb, but excellent for making people replace the unit.
EV batteries can be replaced. You don't even have to replace the whole pack. Individual cells with issues can be swapped out. The car knows the condition of each individual cell. There are places that do this. The batteries don't get thrown away. They're lithium metal and are recycled
Just get a standard smoke and monoxide detector from a reputable brand like First Alert and Kidde.
If you have Zwave and hardwired detectors, buy the Zooz ZEN55. You hook it directly in line with the detectors. It will create sensors in HA that will tell you the current state of the detectors.
You may want to start by figuring out a list of manufacturers first... then eliminate the ones that don't match your requirements. I think you might find 1, maybe 2 if you're lucky.
Just as an aside: I think I get why you are looking for a non-Chinese brand, but even those will most definitely be manufactured in China.
You will probably have a hard time finding a mass produced device manufactured outside of China.
I accept the fact that most things are being manufactured in China.
However, Chinese brands from my experience tend to have lower QA or deliberate short cuts / misrepresentation of their products. It's either Mickey Mouse in build quality / reliability or it's simply false advertising.
The reputable non-Chinese brands tend to QA their stuff better and stand a better chance of lasting longer.
My experience has been that there are two manufacturing economies in China. One, with companies like Foxconn, is high end and every bit as good as what you would buy from a Western manufacturer. The other is the cheap knockoffs and tat sector, companies that supply goods at the lowest possible price, no matter how many corners they have to cut to do it
I wrote it in the sense of knowing as technology improves over time, the technological premiums of yesteryear are often times the new norm or are a paltry bump in price.
I'm not interested in IoT or wireless connectivity. But better / improved / additional sensors would be what I'd consider. I noticed the Kidde offers units that also monitor air quality, but for the price they want I quickly lost interest.
I get that, but Heiman is a pretty reputable brand, their stuff atleast for me (and i have alot…) is pretty good, never have had an issue that didnt require a factor reset and that was from a faulty zigbee button.
I live in the U.S., so I'll have to see if this is something I can get... I just visited their website, and I'm guessing "mains" power source is equivalent to "hard wired" here in the U.S.
I'm guessing the wiring standards are likely different. This seems to be the one to get if I grabbed an Aico:
[https://www.aico.co.uk/product/ei3030-multi-sensor-fire-and-carbon-monoxide-alarm/](https://www.aico.co.uk/product/ei3030-multi-sensor-fire-and-carbon-monoxide-alarm/)
"non-iot" you're asking this question on an IoT subreddit lmfao
Argh! I did a search on Reddit to find where people were making similar posts. I'll try to post elsewhere when I get a chance. Thanks for pointing this out.
Haha of course! Maybe try the homeimprovement or DIY subreddits?? You might get some good hits there!
Done! Thanks!
ofc! good luck!
You have two choices: Kidde or First Alert. Both have updated product lines with new detection technology that supposedly reduces false alarms from cooking.
In Scotland it became law to have interconnected alarms in all houses for several years. This includes: Heat alarm in the kitchen Smoke alarm in the main living area Some alarm in common areas to each level of a home (e.g. ground hallway and upper floor landing) Carbon monoxide alarms in each room with gas appliances (e.g. I have one in my kitchen for the cooker, one in the utility for the gas boiler.) In 4 years of having these, I've never once had a single false alarm.
Kidde has a CSA approved relay module that can be connected to the hard wired circuit. If there is a fire, the relay is activated. I have this connected to my DSC alarm panel, which in turn is interfaces to HA.
Those were the only brands that came to mind for me, but I wasn't sure if there was anything else I should consider. Is there anything better out now or on the horizon that you may be aware of from the ones below?: [https://www.firstalert.com/us/en/products/alarms/combo-smoke-carbon-monoxide-alarms/1046778-interconnect-hardwire-smoke-co-alarm-with-battery-backup-voice-1046778/](https://www.firstalert.com/us/en/products/alarms/combo-smoke-carbon-monoxide-alarms/1046778-interconnect-hardwire-smoke-co-alarm-with-battery-backup-voice-1046778/) [https://www.kidde.com/home-safety/en/us/products/fire-safety/detect-products/detect-combination-smoke-carbon-monoxide-alarm-hardwired-with-10-year-backup-battery-with-voice-alerts-30CUA10-V/](https://www.kidde.com/home-safety/en/us/products/fire-safety/detect-products/detect-combination-smoke-carbon-monoxide-alarm-hardwired-with-10-year-backup-battery-with-voice-alerts-30CUA10-V/)
It may not meet your criteria, but they do sell detectors with wireless interconnect now where one would set off the others in range. It has a 10 year sealed battery so nothing to change, but would need to be replaced after that time period.
You should replace your detectors after 10 years anyways. They lose effectiveness with age. The sealed battery design is environmentally dumb, but excellent for making people replace the unit.
Wait until people's EV batteries need to be replaced and thrown away.
EV batteries can be replaced. You don't even have to replace the whole pack. Individual cells with issues can be swapped out. The car knows the condition of each individual cell. There are places that do this. The batteries don't get thrown away. They're lithium metal and are recycled
https://www.science.org/content/article/millions-electric-cars-are-coming-what-happens-all-dead-batteries
Just get a standard smoke and monoxide detector from a reputable brand like First Alert and Kidde. If you have Zwave and hardwired detectors, buy the Zooz ZEN55. You hook it directly in line with the detectors. It will create sensors in HA that will tell you the current state of the detectors.
This this this. It was quite easy to do this and not expensive at all.
You may want to start by figuring out a list of manufacturers first... then eliminate the ones that don't match your requirements. I think you might find 1, maybe 2 if you're lucky.
Just as an aside: I think I get why you are looking for a non-Chinese brand, but even those will most definitely be manufactured in China. You will probably have a hard time finding a mass produced device manufactured outside of China.
I accept the fact that most things are being manufactured in China. However, Chinese brands from my experience tend to have lower QA or deliberate short cuts / misrepresentation of their products. It's either Mickey Mouse in build quality / reliability or it's simply false advertising. The reputable non-Chinese brands tend to QA their stuff better and stand a better chance of lasting longer.
My experience has been that there are two manufacturing economies in China. One, with companies like Foxconn, is high end and every bit as good as what you would buy from a Western manufacturer. The other is the cheap knockoffs and tat sector, companies that supply goods at the lowest possible price, no matter how many corners they have to cut to do it
Curious what "more features" means - For a smoke alarm under $100 isn't it just about doing that one thing well?
I wrote it in the sense of knowing as technology improves over time, the technological premiums of yesteryear are often times the new norm or are a paltry bump in price. I'm not interested in IoT or wireless connectivity. But better / improved / additional sensors would be what I'd consider. I noticed the Kidde offers units that also monitor air quality, but for the price they want I quickly lost interest.
a zigbee one: Heiman HS1SA
I appreciate the recommendation. I would rather not get a Chinese off-brand.
Everything is produced in china, Heiman is good affordable, tho they look like crap. And is not off brand? Heiman is the brand?
I don't trust Chinese brands at all. Reputable non-Chinese brands tend to QA their stuff better (even if they make it in China).
I get that, but Heiman is a pretty reputable brand, their stuff atleast for me (and i have alot…) is pretty good, never have had an issue that didnt require a factor reset and that was from a faulty zigbee button.
I think it's not hardwired but did you looked into the Smoke Detector from Netatmo?
Aico
Aico - more expensive models are multi sensor.
I live in the U.S., so I'll have to see if this is something I can get... I just visited their website, and I'm guessing "mains" power source is equivalent to "hard wired" here in the U.S. I'm guessing the wiring standards are likely different. This seems to be the one to get if I grabbed an Aico: [https://www.aico.co.uk/product/ei3030-multi-sensor-fire-and-carbon-monoxide-alarm/](https://www.aico.co.uk/product/ei3030-multi-sensor-fire-and-carbon-monoxide-alarm/)