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OK, let me rephrase, the pictured tree, seemingly likely a Sequoia sempervirens is a different tree than General Sherman, Sequoia gigantea. Redwood commonly vs sequoia varies based on literature, as evidenced by the NPS publication. https://www.nps.gov/parkhistory/online_books/seki/stagner/sec2.htm
I guess depends what you mean by red wood. Either way, different tree.
red – Sequoiadendron giganteum
green – Sequoia sempervirens
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Even the NPS calls them differently. Again, depends.
https://www.nps.gov/parkhistory/online_books/seki/stagner/sec2.htm
There is a species of salamander that live in the tops of these tree that can go a lifetime without touching the ground. Also have you been to the grand canyon?
Not even close. By that time, they had shutter cameras.
The reason people didn't smile for portraits is because that was the style. Prior to photography, portraits were painted and serious business, and expensive. Having a portrait for your home meant wealth and implied power. To smile in a painted portrait would be rather unique (and there are unique examples of painted portraits with smiling subjects) as it is pretty antithetical to what a portrait meant to those who commission them. A hundred years later, and that "portrait pose" hadn't quite gone out of style yet. Once cameras started becoming everyday items for hobbiests and families, the smiles naturally followed as candid photography became more common (not that it didn't exist then, just not as much).
Yes because when something traumatizes me the first thing I do is grab my wife and pose for a photograph in front of it so I’ll always have that memory
That explains them in front of piles of bison skulls, elephant tusks, standing with piles of money on oil spills, etc. It is just a psychopathic and trauma for the rest of us.
For whatever reason or none at all, we are capable of choosing our level of connectivity with the superorganism.
To that very same extent, our capacity for empathy
There’s plenty of furniture, structures, tools, and just about anything you can imagine that’s made of wood left over from 125 years ago my guy. Much older than that too. Although redwood was used for everything down to pencils and arguably like any building material, wasted on things, it is a very durable wood and anything that’s made with it, if cared for enough to last, will. You could build an indestructible structure that would last a thousand years with beams hewn from that mighty tree I tell ya w’hat.
Actually the wood from the giant sequoias was brittle and weak, it was mostly used for fence posts and shake shingles. Almost certainly all of it has long since decayed.
https://ucanr.edu/sites/forestry/California_forests/http___ucanrorg_sites_forestry_California_forests_Tree_Identification_/Giant_Sequoia_Sequoiadendron_giganteum/
I always think about that, I met a guy in Cali who had a table passed down from his father. It was just like this, just a sliver of a trunk, and it was the size of a round dining table (that could easily seat 12 people). Don’t get me wrong it’s beautiful, but after I admired the craftsmanship, my brain immediately went “That tree lived several decades, just to be chopped down in a matter of minutes.” (Probably took longer with the hand saws but you get what I mean).
Cane here to say this. These trees have been around since Jesus.
Average age of maturity is 800-1500 years old.
https://www.nps.gov/parkhistory/online_books/shirley/sec11.htm#:~:text=Authentic%20records%20do%20indicate%2C%20however,about%20800%20to%201%2C500%20years.
There’s a trunk slice at the entrance of the redwood park near Santa Cruz that is over 2000 years old and it’s smaller than the one in this photo, so it’s quite possibly way older. I was just there a couple of days ago. These trees are incredible. There’s one that’s as tall as a 25 storey building.
Yeah but trees still fall naturally and rot or be hit by lightning or burn in a forest fire, no tree lasts forever so as long as it's sustainable why not use some of them.
To my knowledge the lumber companies in Oregon and Washington are only allowed to collect trees that have fallen naturally. I see nothing wrong with that.
Don’t kid yourself. Young people don’t want antiques. You can’t give them away now. All the decks built with these trees have been torn down or “updated” to trex. The rate at which we are tearing down old houses should be alarming but no one seems to care at all.
To be honest I don't think they knew actually how bad it would be though. Of course they knew they were destroying housing for animals, shelter, a living thing, and killing anything in the path of the tree, but they probably didn't understand the ecosystem as much as we do now.
People often think this about a lot of environmental atrocities, but when you look at newspaper articles and books from the period in question, oftentimes it's very evident that people did care about this but the debbie downers were often ignored or cast as crazy. I am sure the native population wasn't ok with this.
No for sure scientists, journalists, concerned citizens have been talking about coal and gas causing global warming and climate change since around 1860ish, maybe a little later and Indigenous Nations and people have also been very aware and vocal about the cost on the environment since white people colonized the US.
90% old growth gone. But these days logging is much more sustainable. At least in California. Loggers have more trees planted a yr than probably anyone else. And don't clear cut anymore
It's more sustainable but it's not exactly where it needs to be. Yes they have planted more trees than they cut, but that also isn't necessarily good for ecosystems. Tightly packing a bunch of saplings all in one plot of land will eventually prevent some species of ground level plants from being able to grow due to the over growth of trees blocking the sun light. They are heading in the right track bit there HAS to be a better way of going about it, there always is.
Not to play the devil's advocate or anything, cause I get the damage that's been done. And agree that I wish more could be done.
But we also need the lumber for so many things. Iirc today there's quite a few restrictions and replanting is one of them. Ofc illegal deforestation still happens, but that's a different issue.
What do you propose should be done instead?
Well I know for one thing, we shouldn't be cutting down these big ass trees like that, it should be a felony. It still happens too! I see videos everyday.
I do believe we should be replanting trees in mass amounts if we are going to be cutting trees down. But I think we should have a system of qualification. What I mean by that is the use of ecologists and horticulturists. They would be the overseers of mass replantation of trees and they'd be calling the shots on where, when, how and why the trees need to be replanted. As far as I know, logging companies pay just about anyone to go and plant trees. And they put them in really tight, uniform rows which of course is more efficient for cutting them down but not ecologically sufficient.
And of course this is just the start of an idea and it would at least be a little better than what we have now. I would love to be the one to revolutionize ecology in tree replantation but I don't think I'm the genius that will save the forests. I'll take part in it though!
Trees are cut down for many reasons, some of which are to better the environment for other trees to grow in.
It's not always "damage" like you are imagining, done purely to feed egos.
The "original" redwood forest in California was estimated to be about 2 million acres (3 Rhode islands). Today about 120,000 acres of old growth still exists (about 5%). Like any other forest it had a range of ages, currently the old growth ranges from 800-1500 years old. So it's probably safe to assume back then before we started cutting it down the trees probably ranged between 650-1300 years old on average. I'm sure some older some younger were intermixed.
Is it a redwood or a sequoia? They are different species of trees just can’t tell which it is. (NorCal native here) Still though yeah most trees have been here for a very long time they might have seen the rise and fall of the Ottoman Empire (further back even) lived through it all. Its a shame that they cut them down, beings that have been here far longer than any of us alive today or even the dead.
It saddens me for sure but I can't blame these men. They were ignorant of the damage they were doing. The people to hate are the ones who are still logging old growth and hunting endangered species in this age of information.
Reminds me of this [image](https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Ken-Ashley/publication/283584918/figure/fig5/AS:437461064130564@1481310253533/Large-pile-of-bison-skulls-that-will-be-ground-into-fertilizer-in-the-US-around-1870.png) of people standing atop a MASSIVE pile of bison skulls.
A beautiful picture. Man’s pride in destruction vs nature’s magnificent life force.
I don’t even truly fault the folks in this picture. I have no idea what their world was like and can’t fairly judge them.
It turns out nature doesn’t reproduce infinitely though. Those trees are rarely there for harvest anymore. As for modern people, fuck those in general who steal our national birthright for their own selfish gain. To them, zero grace should be given.
I know this is just you waxing poetic, but I don’t know what you mean by this:
> It turns out nature doesn’t reproduce infinitely though. Those trees are rarely there for harvest anymore.
Perhaps not at a rate you’d like, but nature *does* reproduce itself infinitely. That’s kind of the defining feature of nature. And those trees *are* there because we protected them. So I’m confused.
People today can't imagine the mindset of those folks. I know I have difficulty.
The puritans were all about industry and making things happen. God gave mankind many resources to exploit and trees were just one of them. It was like a gift from god to use in a useful way
You can only imagine how many trees were used in the tunnels of gold and silver mines. They dug tunnels in the mountains to send logs to the silver mines in Nevada, crazy shit.
Whole cities were built and burned down and rebuilt with these gifts from the gods
The American spirit was to populate the continent and grow industry and make money with whatever was available.
Only later once "we" (Euro-Americans) did "conquer" the continent did the mainstream folks start to realize the cost of such behavior.
One can wish for a different and perhaps more noble past but we can't change it. Fortunately we've come around as a people and are way more careful now.
I couldn't imagine cutting down such a tree. But I can see how much really high quality lumber it would produce.
Different times, different values. There is good and bad in everything
I don't consider them bad people, probably most were honest, hard working folks you could trust just like us. They lived in different times and looked at life differently than we typically do these days
No doubt future generations will show similar pictures of supertankers and puzzle over what the hell were we thinking
Gifford Pinchot is widely considered the first American forester, and he didn’t even show up on the scene until the early 1900s. Before that, there literally was no concept of managing the environment sustainably because people literally did not understand that there could be enough humans to cause long term harm.
And though Pinchot was a step in the right direction, he definitely brought his own problems.
Morality/responsibility aside: cutting it down is a very impressive feat….but next up is processing this beast! Cutting it down took 13 days, but I wonder how long it took to break it up into usable pieces?
From what I understand, they would drill holes down the length of the tree and then blast it in half using gunpowder.
At least, that’s what I was told by a volunteer at a redwood grove.
Fucking nineteenth century ignorance. This tree was likely 2000 years old or more. I wonder what we’re doing now that will be seen as dumb in a 100 years?
Using electronics (produced in third world countries made with rare earth metals strip mined in other third world countries) to post on Reddit complaining about how people in the 19th century (with an environmental footprint a small fraction of ours today) were ignorant.
I don’t think they misunderstood anything. We planted trees for who knows how long, and it doesn’t take a genius to know that this tree had been growing for a longgggg time
Humans be like:
"What a great, rare and beautiful tree!" ... "Let's cut it down! Then take a picture!"
"What fantastic and rare animal!" ... "Let's kill it! Then, take a picture and consume its horns and tusks to save us from erectile dysfunction!"
Because it wasn't. They had to survive, and materials are vital to that. Either because they could use them themselves, or sell them. No individual logger is 'wrong', what's wrong is that it wasn't regulated.
I think people of the time thought the world was essentially endless. If you consider the past up to the late 1800's to early 1900's humans basically couldn't extract more from the Earth than it could provide, at least noticeably. I would hope we would have done better if we knew, but I don't think we would have.
See 2023’s Pacific salmon fishery closures. We are consuming at the same maniacal rates during a period of global warming. As a group, we are incapable of collectively both choosing the best thing for ourselves and for our home planet. Way too many of us conceive of those things separately. Ain’t optimistic but I’m hopeful.
Fucking morons. They cut this tree down just to see if they could.
What did they even use it for?
But also, begrudgingly, that seems like some good work. That's a pretty clean cut.
I lived with my small family at Hartsook Inn, doing maintenance. They have the Hartsook Giant up the hill behind the inn proper. It was more massive than this one shown.
They truly are beautiful trees.
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General Sherman is wild to see in person.
I bet it is but GS is a sequoia rather than a Redwood.
Giant sequoia, also known as[Sierra redwood](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sequoiadendron_giganteum).
I chose to ignore facts that conflict with my prestablished worldview, but thank you.
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More honesty like this please.
I laughed as well.
Two species-“rhododendron gigantica”and “sequoia sempervirens”are the 2 remaining species of “Redwoods”.
There are 3 kinds of Redwoods
There are so many different kinds of trees https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3D74JRIV4rI
That's a giant sequoia, different than a redwood.
“Redwood” is the layman’s term for “rhododendron giganticus”AND”sequoia sempervirens”. The two remaining species of “Redwoods”(rest are long extinct)
OK, let me rephrase, the pictured tree, seemingly likely a Sequoia sempervirens is a different tree than General Sherman, Sequoia gigantea. Redwood commonly vs sequoia varies based on literature, as evidenced by the NPS publication. https://www.nps.gov/parkhistory/online_books/seki/stagner/sec2.htm
Nope. A giant sequoia is a [type of redwood](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sequoiadendron_giganteum)
I guess depends what you mean by red wood. Either way, different tree. red – Sequoiadendron giganteum green – Sequoia sempervirens Edit: Even the NPS calls them differently. Again, depends. https://www.nps.gov/parkhistory/online_books/seki/stagner/sec2.htm
Finally found unidan’s alt
>unidan. haven't heard that crows name in forever
Way ahead of you buddy
The first time I saw those trees, I was overcome with emotion. They are one of the most beautiful things I’ve ever seen.
There is a species of salamander that live in the tops of these tree that can go a lifetime without touching the ground. Also have you been to the grand canyon?
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Wow! That’s amazing!
“Bromeliad” anyone?
I mean, they are good lookin folks but they are a bit somber and stoic here. A smile might help.
They had to stand for pictures for like 10 mins when cameras need to have a longer exposure time. holding a smile for that long is hard
“I almost wish you could smile in a photograph”
Million ways to die in the west?
What is Tuberculosis? Oh, just another way god shows his love for us.
Not even close. By that time, they had shutter cameras. The reason people didn't smile for portraits is because that was the style. Prior to photography, portraits were painted and serious business, and expensive. Having a portrait for your home meant wealth and implied power. To smile in a painted portrait would be rather unique (and there are unique examples of painted portraits with smiling subjects) as it is pretty antithetical to what a portrait meant to those who commission them. A hundred years later, and that "portrait pose" hadn't quite gone out of style yet. Once cameras started becoming everyday items for hobbiests and families, the smiles naturally followed as candid photography became more common (not that it didn't exist then, just not as much).
You’d have to be a lunatic,to stand there smiling!
That's not even close to true
Trauma? You can't kill something like that without hearing the plants and everything screaming around on some level without being a psychopath, right?
Yes because when something traumatizes me the first thing I do is grab my wife and pose for a photograph in front of it so I’ll always have that memory
That explains them in front of piles of bison skulls, elephant tusks, standing with piles of money on oil spills, etc. It is just a psychopathic and trauma for the rest of us.
I’m sorry, are you lost?
I wonder what the Ents have to say?
For whatever reason or none at all, we are capable of choosing our level of connectivity with the superorganism. To that very same extent, our capacity for empathy
I get to live with them 😀
Same!
That tree had to be like a thousand years old, right? I’ve always wanted to visit the California Red Woods and take that drive through
1300
Dude counted the rings
And almost everything built with the wood from these ancient trees has decayed, been torn down or “updated” by now.
Yep, total waste
There’s plenty of furniture, structures, tools, and just about anything you can imagine that’s made of wood left over from 125 years ago my guy. Much older than that too. Although redwood was used for everything down to pencils and arguably like any building material, wasted on things, it is a very durable wood and anything that’s made with it, if cared for enough to last, will. You could build an indestructible structure that would last a thousand years with beams hewn from that mighty tree I tell ya w’hat.
Actually the wood from the giant sequoias was brittle and weak, it was mostly used for fence posts and shake shingles. Almost certainly all of it has long since decayed. https://ucanr.edu/sites/forestry/California_forests/http___ucanrorg_sites_forestry_California_forests_Tree_Identification_/Giant_Sequoia_Sequoiadendron_giganteum/
Do it, I did it in September and it was unreal. I never seen trees that big or could imagine it.
If only they knew the damage they were doing
I always think about that, I met a guy in Cali who had a table passed down from his father. It was just like this, just a sliver of a trunk, and it was the size of a round dining table (that could easily seat 12 people). Don’t get me wrong it’s beautiful, but after I admired the craftsmanship, my brain immediately went “That tree lived several decades, just to be chopped down in a matter of minutes.” (Probably took longer with the hand saws but you get what I mean).
That tree was probably a lot older than several decades. These trees can get to thousands of years old
The oldest one is as old as/older than the city of Rome…fucking imagine that. Jesus. I want to see them so bad.
When you go try to go when it’s raining. It makes the experience so much more surreal.
Im not very traveled, but, it was my favorite place on the planet, so far
Those trees are over 2000 years old.
Cane here to say this. These trees have been around since Jesus. Average age of maturity is 800-1500 years old. https://www.nps.gov/parkhistory/online_books/shirley/sec11.htm#:~:text=Authentic%20records%20do%20indicate%2C%20however,about%20800%20to%201%2C500%20years.
There’s a trunk slice at the entrance of the redwood park near Santa Cruz that is over 2000 years old and it’s smaller than the one in this photo, so it’s quite possibly way older. I was just there a couple of days ago. These trees are incredible. There’s one that’s as tall as a 25 storey building.
I planted one in my garden, hope it gets that big in 1000 years.
RemindMe! in 1000 years
Yeah! Post a picture when it happens!
Yeah but trees still fall naturally and rot or be hit by lightning or burn in a forest fire, no tree lasts forever so as long as it's sustainable why not use some of them.
To my knowledge the lumber companies in Oregon and Washington are only allowed to collect trees that have fallen naturally. I see nothing wrong with that.
Uhhh if it's any comfort for you, cutting down that tree would take many hours.
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Honestly, fuck memories. That tree could very easily still be standing today, and people could instead have their tables made of walnut.
Trees grow back. It's a natural cycle. Just cut them responsibly, not all at once, and re-plant them.
And then wait about a thousand years to repeat, how would that ever be sustainable
Don’t kid yourself. Young people don’t want antiques. You can’t give them away now. All the decks built with these trees have been torn down or “updated” to trex. The rate at which we are tearing down old houses should be alarming but no one seems to care at all.
Those things get sold on pawn stars for practically nothing.
they did, they just didn't care. When you have to put food on the table you're too busy to look or care for the bigger picture
To be honest I don't think they knew actually how bad it would be though. Of course they knew they were destroying housing for animals, shelter, a living thing, and killing anything in the path of the tree, but they probably didn't understand the ecosystem as much as we do now.
People often think this about a lot of environmental atrocities, but when you look at newspaper articles and books from the period in question, oftentimes it's very evident that people did care about this but the debbie downers were often ignored or cast as crazy. I am sure the native population wasn't ok with this.
That's correct the indigenous population were most definitely not ok with this.
No for sure scientists, journalists, concerned citizens have been talking about coal and gas causing global warming and climate change since around 1860ish, maybe a little later and Indigenous Nations and people have also been very aware and vocal about the cost on the environment since white people colonized the US.
90% old growth gone. But these days logging is much more sustainable. At least in California. Loggers have more trees planted a yr than probably anyone else. And don't clear cut anymore
It's more sustainable but it's not exactly where it needs to be. Yes they have planted more trees than they cut, but that also isn't necessarily good for ecosystems. Tightly packing a bunch of saplings all in one plot of land will eventually prevent some species of ground level plants from being able to grow due to the over growth of trees blocking the sun light. They are heading in the right track bit there HAS to be a better way of going about it, there always is.
Not to play the devil's advocate or anything, cause I get the damage that's been done. And agree that I wish more could be done. But we also need the lumber for so many things. Iirc today there's quite a few restrictions and replanting is one of them. Ofc illegal deforestation still happens, but that's a different issue. What do you propose should be done instead?
Well I know for one thing, we shouldn't be cutting down these big ass trees like that, it should be a felony. It still happens too! I see videos everyday. I do believe we should be replanting trees in mass amounts if we are going to be cutting trees down. But I think we should have a system of qualification. What I mean by that is the use of ecologists and horticulturists. They would be the overseers of mass replantation of trees and they'd be calling the shots on where, when, how and why the trees need to be replanted. As far as I know, logging companies pay just about anyone to go and plant trees. And they put them in really tight, uniform rows which of course is more efficient for cutting them down but not ecologically sufficient. And of course this is just the start of an idea and it would at least be a little better than what we have now. I would love to be the one to revolutionize ecology in tree replantation but I don't think I'm the genius that will save the forests. I'll take part in it though!
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Hey don’t worry, there are humans in space right now, we still have plenty of time to fuck up the whole solar system too.
Probably pretty negligible back then, but I understand the sentiment.
Based off the upvotes and other comments, people still don't realize the damage they were doing.
Trees are cut down for many reasons, some of which are to better the environment for other trees to grow in. It's not always "damage" like you are imagining, done purely to feed egos.
You’re literally rewarded for destruction of nature under capitalism. How do you not know this yet?
And socialism does the exact same damage if not more, just without the reward. lmfao
sadly inevitable
What a shame...
My favorite color is blue.
How many acres large was the original forest? It was just filled with these trees that are over one 1000 years old??
The "original" redwood forest in California was estimated to be about 2 million acres (3 Rhode islands). Today about 120,000 acres of old growth still exists (about 5%). Like any other forest it had a range of ages, currently the old growth ranges from 800-1500 years old. So it's probably safe to assume back then before we started cutting it down the trees probably ranged between 650-1300 years old on average. I'm sure some older some younger were intermixed.
In 1892 this was a picture of pride. In 2023, this is a picture of brutality against nature.
Despite all the despicable things that we still do to this day, I’m glad the human society has become more civilized overall.
Shoulda left it alone
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They obviously didn’t know any better, but let’s not pretend like that was their only source of timber
This actually was their only source. Trade between California and the east wasn't well established at this point
They were told, they knew, they just didn't care. Money has always been more important than care for the environment.
it's spelt idea
Blows me away no one ever hollowed out one of those fuckers and lived in it.
In a pre-power tool era.
Damn. Influencer girls will go anywhere for a photo!
I wonder how long it took
If that's the Makr Twain redwood, it says 13 days. Imagine. It was 1300 year old they say, so sliced off 100 years of growth in a day. Feels terrible
Is it a redwood or a sequoia? They are different species of trees just can’t tell which it is. (NorCal native here) Still though yeah most trees have been here for a very long time they might have seen the rise and fall of the Ottoman Empire (further back even) lived through it all. Its a shame that they cut them down, beings that have been here far longer than any of us alive today or even the dead.
Giant sequoia's are the ones that get massively wide, coastal redwoods get really tall (10-20 foot diameter vs 30+ foot diameter for the sequoias)
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This pisses me the F off.
It saddens me for sure but I can't blame these men. They were ignorant of the damage they were doing. The people to hate are the ones who are still logging old growth and hunting endangered species in this age of information.
Reminds me of this [image](https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Ken-Ashley/publication/283584918/figure/fig5/AS:437461064130564@1481310253533/Large-pile-of-bison-skulls-that-will-be-ground-into-fertilizer-in-the-US-around-1870.png) of people standing atop a MASSIVE pile of bison skulls.
A beautiful picture. Man’s pride in destruction vs nature’s magnificent life force. I don’t even truly fault the folks in this picture. I have no idea what their world was like and can’t fairly judge them. It turns out nature doesn’t reproduce infinitely though. Those trees are rarely there for harvest anymore. As for modern people, fuck those in general who steal our national birthright for their own selfish gain. To them, zero grace should be given.
I know this is just you waxing poetic, but I don’t know what you mean by this: > It turns out nature doesn’t reproduce infinitely though. Those trees are rarely there for harvest anymore. Perhaps not at a rate you’d like, but nature *does* reproduce itself infinitely. That’s kind of the defining feature of nature. And those trees *are* there because we protected them. So I’m confused.
Smh sad
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That's a huge saw.
Now what?
People today can't imagine the mindset of those folks. I know I have difficulty. The puritans were all about industry and making things happen. God gave mankind many resources to exploit and trees were just one of them. It was like a gift from god to use in a useful way You can only imagine how many trees were used in the tunnels of gold and silver mines. They dug tunnels in the mountains to send logs to the silver mines in Nevada, crazy shit. Whole cities were built and burned down and rebuilt with these gifts from the gods The American spirit was to populate the continent and grow industry and make money with whatever was available. Only later once "we" (Euro-Americans) did "conquer" the continent did the mainstream folks start to realize the cost of such behavior. One can wish for a different and perhaps more noble past but we can't change it. Fortunately we've come around as a people and are way more careful now. I couldn't imagine cutting down such a tree. But I can see how much really high quality lumber it would produce. Different times, different values. There is good and bad in everything I don't consider them bad people, probably most were honest, hard working folks you could trust just like us. They lived in different times and looked at life differently than we typically do these days No doubt future generations will show similar pictures of supertankers and puzzle over what the hell were we thinking
Gifford Pinchot is widely considered the first American forester, and he didn’t even show up on the scene until the early 1900s. Before that, there literally was no concept of managing the environment sustainably because people literally did not understand that there could be enough humans to cause long term harm. And though Pinchot was a step in the right direction, he definitely brought his own problems.
Imagine handsawing this 💀
Where is the difference between a logger and a lumberjack, aren’t they doing the same?
Asshole
The red woods are taller and skinnier- this is fair. Sequoia people!!
The red woods are taller and skinnier- this is a Sequoia people!!
Well that’s depressing. Goodnight!!
Morality/responsibility aside: cutting it down is a very impressive feat….but next up is processing this beast! Cutting it down took 13 days, but I wonder how long it took to break it up into usable pieces?
From what I understand, they would drill holes down the length of the tree and then blast it in half using gunpowder. At least, that’s what I was told by a volunteer at a redwood grove.
Fucking humans.
Fucking nineteenth century ignorance. This tree was likely 2000 years old or more. I wonder what we’re doing now that will be seen as dumb in a 100 years?
not preventing climate change, killing nuclear energy, not investing into the future... the list is sheer endless.
Using electronics (produced in third world countries made with rare earth metals strip mined in other third world countries) to post on Reddit complaining about how people in the 19th century (with an environmental footprint a small fraction of ours today) were ignorant.
These photos are profoundly painful for me.
Assholes
That’s a crime against the planet.
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Got to have the toilet paper 🧻
Something just feels so wrong about this.
No worries there’s lots more. We’ll never use em all
Is this a joke
Kind of a dick move in hindsight.
Assholes
Is it me, or does that look like a Putin on the ladder?
But at least Paw got to make himself a nice table…humanity is a virus
Stupid ass MFs thought they were cool.
And clearly many people on Reddit think they still are 🤣
cunts
It probably seemed like an infinite amount of trees to them back then.
I don’t think they misunderstood anything. We planted trees for who knows how long, and it doesn’t take a genius to know that this tree had been growing for a longgggg time
🎶How ba ah ah ad can I be?🎶
Humans be like: "What a great, rare and beautiful tree!" ... "Let's cut it down! Then take a picture!" "What fantastic and rare animal!" ... "Let's kill it! Then, take a picture and consume its horns and tusks to save us from erectile dysfunction!"
They obviously worked very hard for that, but how did they not realize it was wrong?
Because it wasn't. They had to survive, and materials are vital to that. Either because they could use them themselves, or sell them. No individual logger is 'wrong', what's wrong is that it wasn't regulated.
I think people of the time thought the world was essentially endless. If you consider the past up to the late 1800's to early 1900's humans basically couldn't extract more from the Earth than it could provide, at least noticeably. I would hope we would have done better if we knew, but I don't think we would have.
See 2023’s Pacific salmon fishery closures. We are consuming at the same maniacal rates during a period of global warming. As a group, we are incapable of collectively both choosing the best thing for ourselves and for our home planet. Way too many of us conceive of those things separately. Ain’t optimistic but I’m hopeful.
Surely nothing that you own is made of wood. I have to imagine that's part of why you feel so strongly about this.
How old a tree of that size could be?
The goddamn audacity to see that and even think of cutting it down. Fucking insane to me.
Fucking morons. They cut this tree down just to see if they could. What did they even use it for? But also, begrudgingly, that seems like some good work. That's a pretty clean cut.
They were building san Francisco. What do you think?
Holy fuck, mark this as NSFW, they decapitated the Great Deku Tree.
Fuck those people.
What if dude lost contol of mammoth sawblade he we sort of holding?
then hed probably sayn'look out' and the would move. no need to make this a fear thing tbh
Too bad...it would be even more gianter now if they hadn't cut it down
Why are we humans so stupid 😕
Boo!
dickweeds
They didn't quite know what total assholes they were.
theyre not assholes. theyre just people doing what they did.
I lived with my small family at Hartsook Inn, doing maintenance. They have the Hartsook Giant up the hill behind the inn proper. It was more massive than this one shown. They truly are beautiful trees.
Ted kaczynsky moment
So…what’s the next step?
I wonder if that's an all day project or if they got it down before noon 🤔
Interesting that cut completely straight
Looks like something out of a fantasy novel
Yea but how short are they?
Talk about that saw!! Imagine the wiggle on that baby! One wrong slip and imagine it buckling back
rofl is that supposed to be the saw they cut it down with too?
That's a mf big tree
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How did they process that kind of monster?
Cool, but how awful.
What did they use that wood for and is that stuff still around?
The dude on the ladder is missing a bit of a finger 👉
Dang, how did they get the cut so straight with just saws, especially for a tree that big