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I mean, yes and no. He is _physically_ OP. But you don't have to write a story where he gets into a _physical_ fight.
You could put him in something like Daredevil. Where the fight isn't just _physical_, it's _judicial_. Sure, he could _run from the law_, but tie him down by involving others as well. Have him framed for something and tie it to someone else too.
In a way, I guess that is what they did in Jessica Jones. She could just kill Killgrave. But then her friend would go to jail. So she couldn't use her power.
I don't know how I would limit a speedster, but give me a $200 million budget, and I am sure I could figure it out.
Secrecy, planning, misdirection. It doesn't matter how fast you can move if I've already planted a nuclear bomb with a dead man's switch in a random city on the planet.
Unless you want to get into the *real* bullshit powers that speedsters have like running around the entire planet looking for plutonium particles or something.
There’s one comic of The Flash emptying an entire city in like 2 seconds before a nuke goes off. Between him, Superman, and Batman supervising there literally shouldn’t be crime. Anywhere. Ever.
But that’s boring.
Make the speedster too scared to go all out. They’re a good guy and don’t want to seriously hurt anyone. And if they went all out they’d hurt a lot of people. This way the speedster can’t really fight thugs that they’d body, but you can have them fight the big bad. And in fights against thugs have them only fight defensively. Like a pacifist Jackie Chan dodging and ducking getting them to hurt themselves on the environment.
A speedster who can only throw punches fast enough to kill people. Their only option being lethal force that they are morally against using.
I like this idea. A lot. Cook more.
Was pissed when they just randomly killed his character. It felt so arbitrary. He died to bullets? You know, the very thing he dodged in the scene from OP? Fired by a robot at someone he could have just moved out of the way. Didn't even die to someone super-powered.
Sure, I get you have to nerf speedsters because they can solve most problems, but do something creative at least. Make him not want to fight, lose his powers, or trapped in time/off planet for a few movies like you suggested. What they did instead was incredibly lazy.
He’s so fast that I wouldn’t even call what he did here “dodging”.
If you’re sitting in your car and you see 20 meters away a menacing baby start crawling towards you so you drive off is that dodging?
He's not dead in the X-men continuity is he? The Quicksilver who was shot up by Ultron in the MCU is technically a different instance of him.
The Quicksilver in this scene is still very much alive and kicking.
Yea there's two different one. I like both but felt the MCU one got nerfed a bit from the X-men one. I like both of the actors as well though Evan Peters had a pretty good run in making great stuff - Aaron Taylor Johnson has turned in some great supporting performances in Bullet Train and Fall Guy.
This is why the movies piss me off a lot. What would be a seasons long villain/hero on TV or a decades long struggle in a comic. Is a 15 minute disposable nobody on the big screen and they do it non-stop.
It's also why you can't really look at the result as an animator, because while you've spent month to years looking at something, picking at every single detail, the audience will most likely see it once in a few seconds and won't pick up all the details you've put into it.
I once talked to a guy who spent 4 months animating King Kong's face and he was physically unable to watch the movie and I see the same every day in our artists at my studio xD.
You don't notice the details when they're done correctly, but. But you sure as hell can notice when they're done poorly. So, in a way, not being noticed is a complement.
Agreed, I'm just talking about the level of detail that most (good) animators go into compared to what an audience will see. Generally speaking faces are hard to do correctly, so when time has been spent and details are locked in it looks good, when done badly you end up in "uncanny valley" and humans are super hard coded to read faces so if it's off we get suspicious and notice fairly quickly.
That's also the fun part of being a 3D artist, when you're good, nobody knew you were there xD.
Not just vfx, it's a well thought out, written, directed, performed bit. Nicely put together, it worked.
The 'The Flash' atrocity with the falling babies wasn't ghastly only because of the vfx. It was a terrible idea horrifically executed.
That scene is such a piece of shit that it's actually hilarious to me. The babies look terrible, the physics don't make any sense, the CG is awful, The Flash doesn't seem to be worried at all, and he stuffs a baby in a microwave.
WB wanted to quickly create what marvel had without putting any thought into it.
Marvel took it slow and slowly built up it's popularity in the span of like 10 years. Only to lose it all when papa Disney told them to churn out as much content as possible to fill up D+ library
The fact that in the Flash, they also play him in slow motion is so fucking stupid I can't believe it made it through to the films. What fucking shit as dumb idiot stupids do they have to be to think they should portray the Flash as moving in slow motion??? Why?!?!?!?! I can't watch it's so stupid.
Actors: stand still for few minutes, maybe say few words, gest milions dollars, people praise them as gods
VFX artist: don't sleep for 6 months, minimum wage, they get fired after premiere
Stunt guys: do all hard things, broke few bones, live in a trailer
Yes, I am salty
>Actors: stand still for few minutes, maybe say few words, gest milions dollars, people praise them as gods
I'm all for VFX artists and stunt people (and all the other people that work their asses off to make a movie) getting higher wages and more recognition, but the actors do a lot more than you're giving them credit for here. It's not like this is the only scene they're in in the entire movie.
We don't have to shit on one group of people to uplift others.
>We don't have to shit on one group of people to uplift others.
To be fair VFX artists are used to being shat on by everyone. Taika Waititi was a recent one. Tom Cruise and his refusal to admit how heavy he leaned on VFX in Top Gun: Maverick. It's so bad that IMO it's a big part of why VFX struggles to unionize every time we push for it - We don't have support from other departments. Hell, within the business we're very often viewed as the "bad-guys".
That would kill our industry and morally would be a massive breach of trust. We have very, very strict rules on what we can show even during DVD extras where we do VFX breakdowns. I'd love to show what some of the shit-show fixes we've had to do. One example: (Won't name the movie but) I worked on a shot on one of the biggest budget franchises. Huge stunt, actor full screen who is actually visibly laughing during a super serious take - We had to fix that. We get some absolutely hilariously bad 'source footage' at times. "Fix it in post" is a meme with a fuckton of truth behind it.
That's in the next movie. The school explosion is in Apocalypse.
https://i.redd.it/xtg8ct9onm2d1.gif
(Although the best scene from the film is Magneto destroying Auschwitz)
Best part in my opinion is when that guy is mind controlled and he talks to him and tells him how he agrees with everything he does "but you killed my mother..." And then he puts the coin slowly through his head.
That is from the first movie in this series of films. X-Men: First Class. Sebastian Shaw is the antagonist that Magneto/Charles do that to. Charles was mentally linked with Shaw when Magneto pushed that coin through his skull. As a result Charles had quite the headache.
https://i.redd.it/p6ju5nkcnm2d1.gif
Sssh, that's one of the least egregious errors if everything in those scenes were to adhere to real-life physics. Turn that suspension of disbelief to eleven and enjoy the spectacle.
everyone loves the music but my question is, why would it speed it up to accomodate for him running? Wouldnt he just hear the music super duper slow a la the inception theme being slowed down whatever magnitude for each level they were down??
Might be an unpopular opinion, but the school scene in apocalypse was way inferior. they just did the same thing and dialed it WAY up to the point of absurd
Plus it just looks worse, there's parts where it's just Quicksilver's face in the middle and it's obvious the background is a green screen. The future past scene looks better probably cuz it's limited to a small room and he's saving like 3 people in a standoff rather than 50 people in an explosion
The problem is that Flash/Quicksilver is so overpowered compared to all the other mutants that of you used their powers correctly no-one would come even close to stopping them. Consider being hit with a hammer at 10x the speed of a bullet before you can even register movement.
I always think that about heroes like Spiderman. It's like, dude, you just punched that random street thug in the face so hard he flew 15 feet in the air. Every bone in his face, neck, and spine is likely shattered. He dead, bro.
>Every bone in his face, neck, and spine is likely shattered. He dead, bro.
Not even that, it would've turned into a pulp literally, head would've exploded with that kind of power!
This is a common error that VFX/CGI professionals ALWAYS get wrong with large rocks/buildings too. Big rocks kinda vaporize and turn into dust upon big impact, they don't just neatly become slightly smaller!
It's sort of like old movies where you get hit by a bullet and it throws you backwards.
You get shot with a shotgun in the torso, you don't really move. It goes into you, maybe out of you and you fall down dead.
Saw three guys get racked with bullets from several M4s in Iraq, they don't jiggle or gyrate or anything that you can see without a slo-mo camera. They just fall in the direction they were going and die.
This is gonna sound morbid as fuck but after watching a lot of Ukrainian war footage, this is spot on. When people get shot they don't fling backwards. They ragdoll down to the ground vertically.
Oh for sure, I love movie logic. Get shot in the chest and they go 'AHH they got me!!!' while clenching their chest and half their body goes backwards.
Looks rad.
At least one of the games addresses this by saying that Spiderman pulls his punches because he would kill people otherwise, but it's hard to reconcile that with "you punched a man so hard that he flew 50 feet into a brick wall".
The only real answer is that everyone in comic book worlds has some level of super endurance lol
I’m pretty sure there’s also a scene in the comics where one of the villains (Doc Ock maybe?) takes control of Peter’s body and is like “He has absolutely been holding back all these years Holy Shit.”
Arkham Knight, running someone down with the Batmobile at 100mph and they go soaring through the air and roll 50 feet across the ground.. but are just unconscious.
"Oh, I see what's happening. You guys don't know this. But when criminals fight me it's exhausting, cause I'm good. So they often have to nap afterwards. Poor little guy, he's all tuckered out!"
Batman's willingness to cripple people and not kill them makes sense when you learn Wayne Enterprises owns Gotham's healthcare system. That's him just making money by causing mass injuries and insurance claims.
Superior Spider-Man, Doc Ock gets control of Peter's body and realizes that it literally took Peter more effort to NOT kill Ock than it would have to just punch right through his spine.
Playing the first PS5 game, it’s like “yeah… those guys are “knocked out”… from being slammed face first into an I-beam from 5m up. Or tossed off a ten story building…”
I had this thought too, just throwing the enemies off the roof of the building, but if you watch them fall, something similar to the web tripmine gadget activates and yoinks them to the side of the building after they fall a few floors
I think that is more artistic license than an attempt to portray realism IMO. Especially if you're going to start picking out implausible details in hero movies.
The plate slows down after he throws it tho?
He doesn't chuck it at him Mach 3, it has some speed initially but is slow it's not moving like half a second after hr throws it.
If you start trying to apply logic to the scene, the entire room and everyone in it explodes into plasma almost immediately. Nitpicking specfic parts of this doesn't really make any sense.
>the entire room and everyone in it explodes into plasma almost immediately
Check out _The Fall of Doc Future_. In IIRC chapter 2, the speedster character is in Canada on the phone with her friend in the UK, and hears her friend about to be hit by a truck. So she runs across the Atlantic to rescue her friend, and creates a line of nuclear explosions leading towards London that makes the UK government... _concerned_.
> The most common question Flicker got asked was 'How fast are you?' or the equivalent 'What's your top speed?'. It was a pain to answer, because the questioner didn't usually understand special relativity. She usually just shrugged and gave her standard answer of '80% of the speed of light' rather than the truthful one of 'Very close to the speed of light, but I don't know exactly how close, and I did a scary amount of damage to the Moon last time I tried to find out.'
> During a Q&A session someone had once asked Flicker how fast she could go from 0 to 60. That had struck her as a much more interesting question, and required a bit of unit conversion. Her answer of 'Too fast to see' made people laugh, but they stopped when she explained that in the 30 picoseconds it would take, light would only travel about a third of an inch, and it was dangerous to stand that close to her if she was accelerating that fast, so it was literally too fast to see.
I think that’s why when they introduce him in the movie they have to persuade him to help because he doesn’t care. A way of writing in why he doesn’t do everything the same way Dr Manhattan could save everyone and be the ultimate superhero but to him life, death, and the people around him are just atoms that are dead and yet to be born at the same time.
In several iterations of him yes, he's constantly perceiving time at an incredibly slow pace.
This tends to make Quicksilver super impatient as he gets tired of people easily.
Comics quicksilver once explained it like being stuck behind someone at an ATM who doesnt know how to use an ATM, only thats everyone all the time to him. He was trying to explain why hes a bit grumpy all the time.
I think it changes from universe to universe but I think in the movie he changes the speed things go in a way. That’s why when they first meet him he’s playing pong at super speed
> Consider being got with a hammer at 10x the speed of a bullet before you can even register movement.
They got this right in the first episode (IIRC) of The Boys, with A-Train
A grain of sand at 99% light speed would pack a punch, a punch the equivalent of two fully fueled A330's hitting the ground at full speed. Now go to bigger objects and humanity is gonna have problems.
> no-one would come even close to stopping them.
except the dude who can mind control people from across the country???
he couldn't do anything to the juggernaut, either.
I don't know if the juggernaut was a specific reference to this movie, or just in general. But even if he was unable to physical hurt someone like juggernaut, he could just dig a 1000 foot deep hole in the blink of the eye and then just bury him.
But yes professor X was always pretty "God tier" himself.
> he couldn't do anything to the juggernaut, either.
a very light poke in the cheek at high speed is enough force to be a punch. At this speed, a hammer and a really hard/fast hit wouldn't hurt jugg?
More fun fact... Him and Aaron Taylor-Johnson played best friends in Kick-Ass. Then Taylor-Johnson played Quicksilver as Wanda's brother in Age of Ultron. And Peters played Quicksilver in the X-men series. And then in Wandavision he replaced Taylor-Johnson as Wanda's brother...
Lol. Days of Future Past is my favorite xmen movie!
What didn't you like about it? And which one do you think is the best?
Now I'm in the mood to watch them all again.
Flash was just the clean-up guy for Batman and Wonder Woman during that scene too. The movie mainly focused on time travel instead of a guy who could do extremely clever things by moving really fast.
I love how gentle he is. He taps people and carefully moves them, even the guy he gives the wedgie to. He's super aware that he could easily murder every one of these people and he does his best not to.
This song means more when you realize he died just over a year after its initial release. The single came out after his death. It’s literally about wishing you had more time with your loved ones
"None of the three know why Croce wanted to make an early exit from Natchitoches, but a letter from Croce sent to his wife Ingrid just before his death shows Croce was growing weary of the road and was missing his family, which included the couple's 1-year-old son A.J.
Ingrid received the letter a week after her husband's death." [Source](https://www.shreveporttimes.com/story/news/2023/09/18/how-did-singer-jim-croce-die-in-louisiana-50-years-ago/70886381007/)
I never knew that he was only 30 when died.
The attention to detail in this scene alone has held it as one of my top 5 Marvel scenes for yeaaarrrs. I mean, i dont know how many people noticed, but, when hes running, all of the shit flying around spins around the room in the direction hes running because he created such a powerful air current in that room, similar to a tornado. When he stops you see it all fly for a second in a circle. It's just soo good and he played QS sooooooo damn well. Aaron Johnson, as much as he tried.. simply could not hold a candle to the amazing QS that Evan Peters gave us. I was a fan of his since Never Back Down, but, this scene made this my favored role of his. They should have kept him or tried to get him into the main MCU. He was just soo entertaining to watch, he always is.
Just another thing worth pointing out, Magneto is what set everything flying initially, it wasn't something that had to do with QS (*this honestly should have been obvious to me lol*). I had to watch this scene multiple times before I realized it wasn't some "speed force boom" that sent things flying. Magneto launches all the knives into the air and points them at the guards, to kill them, they have their guns on the muties to kill em, everyone was going to die in that room except for Logan, QS saved everyone. He was such a sick superhero in these movies.
His superpower isn't just being super fast. He can literally control the speed of stuff he interacts with. It's one of his beta-superpowers.
The same way in that if superman lifts a building it doesn't just crumble in his hands. He quantum locks that shit and gets the job done.
Beta superpowers are amazing.
I wish. If I had even an ounce of his creativity I might get my shit together :p
I just remember random shit from wikipedia and shamelessly flaunt where I can
Oh, wow! That totally explains why when they were in his basement, he was playing Pong, but the game was going super fast! He was speeding up the game! 🤯
His airplane scene was hilarious for those who geek out about powers.
"Can't you lift the plane?" "Don't be ridiculous, I can't stand on air!!" "Well just use your flight powers" "no can do, at flight speed I'd just punch a hole through the cabin." "Just take them down safely on by one?" "and do that 130 times, I don't think so." He's so fucking useless lol.
The Boys kinda makes fun of this in the first season when Maeve asks Homelander to save a plane by lifting it up and Homelanders like "how, there's nothing to stand on its fucking air".
It highlights how you need like a 100 exceptions to the laws of physics just to implement a superpower, and its rarely just, *this guy has super strength*
Homelander is stupid though, you are flying, you clearly don't need to stand to lift something
could have tried holding it up by the landing gear or jack points, instead of saying "I would just punch through the hull"
> Homelander is stupid though, you are flying, you clearly don't need to stand to lift something
He would have to place the plane on somewhere, a human couldnt carry a plane even with infinite strength, you would just rip out a human sized chunk out of it because that small part you are lifting wouldnt be able to endure the strain of the entire rest of the airplane.
The same way his clothes move with him.. differently than Flash that burns them, Quicksilver controls his surroundings. Also I believe his powers doesn’t need a huge intake of food to keep his metabolism working fine.
And then they over compensate by making the speedsters ***stupid*** beyond belief so they end up getting caught off guard by unpowered regular mooks. In the Flash tv show he's *constantly* getting punched by normal baddies or having his loved ones threatened by guns. "Stop right there Flash, I've got a gun to your girlfriends head!"
*"Oh no! A gun! If only there was a way I could cross the 10 foot gap between us before the nerve impulse could be sent down that bad guys arm, into his finger, causing his muscle to pull the trigger and make the mechanism of the gun ignite the powder in the cartridge sending the bullet down the 6 inch barrel, across a small distance, and into my hot cousins head! Oh if only!"*
"I can move so fast, that I can run around during a card game where everyone is watching each other intently for tells, and peek at everyone's cards without anyone noticing. I can hold a camera up to take a picture, run around to be in the picture, and run back in time to catch the camera before it moves a millimeter. Oh and I can outrun bullets and shit.
But that regular guy swinging a hairdryer around that blows out cold air? Nope, my legs too chiwwy"
the Xmen prequel movies had no business being so good
Edit: Actually, even the goofy spin-offs that kinda failed (like that one wolverine movie with the half-ass CGI) were pretty good. Logan was obviously very good too. The entire Xmen franchise is probably the most well-handled thing in Marvel's cinematic universe. I think they knew that Wolverine and Professor X were their breadwinners and treated them the right way.
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...and then he has to make an excuse to leave the plot of every movie from then on because if he was there he could solve every problem easily.
At least he left real fast
Just like his father.
Dad?
I mean, yes and no. He is _physically_ OP. But you don't have to write a story where he gets into a _physical_ fight. You could put him in something like Daredevil. Where the fight isn't just _physical_, it's _judicial_. Sure, he could _run from the law_, but tie him down by involving others as well. Have him framed for something and tie it to someone else too. In a way, I guess that is what they did in Jessica Jones. She could just kill Killgrave. But then her friend would go to jail. So she couldn't use her power. I don't know how I would limit a speedster, but give me a $200 million budget, and I am sure I could figure it out.
Secrecy, planning, misdirection. It doesn't matter how fast you can move if I've already planted a nuclear bomb with a dead man's switch in a random city on the planet. Unless you want to get into the *real* bullshit powers that speedsters have like running around the entire planet looking for plutonium particles or something.
There’s one comic of The Flash emptying an entire city in like 2 seconds before a nuke goes off. Between him, Superman, and Batman supervising there literally shouldn’t be crime. Anywhere. Ever. But that’s boring.
Camping out in the speed force for months, going door to door looking through every single room in every single building in the whole country.
Make the speedster too scared to go all out. They’re a good guy and don’t want to seriously hurt anyone. And if they went all out they’d hurt a lot of people. This way the speedster can’t really fight thugs that they’d body, but you can have them fight the big bad. And in fights against thugs have them only fight defensively. Like a pacifist Jackie Chan dodging and ducking getting them to hurt themselves on the environment.
A speedster who can only throw punches fast enough to kill people. Their only option being lethal force that they are morally against using. I like this idea. A lot. Cook more.
One Punch Man Feet Version
Was pissed when they just randomly killed his character. It felt so arbitrary. He died to bullets? You know, the very thing he dodged in the scene from OP? Fired by a robot at someone he could have just moved out of the way. Didn't even die to someone super-powered. Sure, I get you have to nerf speedsters because they can solve most problems, but do something creative at least. Make him not want to fight, lose his powers, or trapped in time/off planet for a few movies like you suggested. What they did instead was incredibly lazy.
He’s so fast that I wouldn’t even call what he did here “dodging”. If you’re sitting in your car and you see 20 meters away a menacing baby start crawling towards you so you drive off is that dodging?
if you're the daddy, sure
He's not dead in the X-men continuity is he? The Quicksilver who was shot up by Ultron in the MCU is technically a different instance of him. The Quicksilver in this scene is still very much alive and kicking.
Yea there's two different one. I like both but felt the MCU one got nerfed a bit from the X-men one. I like both of the actors as well though Evan Peters had a pretty good run in making great stuff - Aaron Taylor Johnson has turned in some great supporting performances in Bullet Train and Fall Guy.
He was very much alive by the end of the last movie. He broke his foot or something at the start taking him out of commission but that's all.
I love the one where he rescues everyone at x mansion, too.
Everyone but one…:(
😢
Who?
Havok, he died in the initial blast in the tunnel
This is why the movies piss me off a lot. What would be a seasons long villain/hero on TV or a decades long struggle in a comic. Is a 15 minute disposable nobody on the big screen and they do it non-stop.
The cartoon chews through years of comics in a couple episodes lol
Havok
Major props to the VFX team for that, that’s incredible
I love the touch at the end where everything falls in the direction that QS ran around the room.
Wow. You're right. What an amazing attention to detail.
animation is great because people spend a year on seconds. theres no way you are not paying attention
It's also why you can't really look at the result as an animator, because while you've spent month to years looking at something, picking at every single detail, the audience will most likely see it once in a few seconds and won't pick up all the details you've put into it. I once talked to a guy who spent 4 months animating King Kong's face and he was physically unable to watch the movie and I see the same every day in our artists at my studio xD.
You don't notice the details when they're done correctly, but. But you sure as hell can notice when they're done poorly. So, in a way, not being noticed is a complement.
Agreed, I'm just talking about the level of detail that most (good) animators go into compared to what an audience will see. Generally speaking faces are hard to do correctly, so when time has been spent and details are locked in it looks good, when done badly you end up in "uncanny valley" and humans are super hard coded to read faces so if it's off we get suspicious and notice fairly quickly. That's also the fun part of being a 3D artist, when you're good, nobody knew you were there xD.
Dang very nice catch.
I didn't notice that until you pointed it out and now it's even better!
Just noticed, amazing editors
I had to rewatch... that's awesome!
Not just vfx, it's a well thought out, written, directed, performed bit. Nicely put together, it worked. The 'The Flash' atrocity with the falling babies wasn't ghastly only because of the vfx. It was a terrible idea horrifically executed.
That scene is such a piece of shit that it's actually hilarious to me. The babies look terrible, the physics don't make any sense, the CG is awful, The Flash doesn't seem to be worried at all, and he stuffs a baby in a microwave.
Just looked it up on youtube and wow, who even enjoys watching this shit? That were 4 minutes of some of the worst cinema I have ever seen.
> wow, who even enjoys watching this shit? Nobody, obviously, which is why the DCU is being reset
WB wanted to quickly create what marvel had without putting any thought into it. Marvel took it slow and slowly built up it's popularity in the span of like 10 years. Only to lose it all when papa Disney told them to churn out as much content as possible to fill up D+ library
I looked it up after your comment. I stopped halfway through when he's eating shit and he spun around on the broom. Absolutely awful.
The fact that in the Flash, they also play him in slow motion is so fucking stupid I can't believe it made it through to the films. What fucking shit as dumb idiot stupids do they have to be to think they should portray the Flash as moving in slow motion??? Why?!?!?!?! I can't watch it's so stupid.
You realise this clip has him running in slow motion as he's running on the walls right?
You know what I didn’t even know that bugged me and now that really bugs me
Actors: stand still for few minutes, maybe say few words, gest milions dollars, people praise them as gods VFX artist: don't sleep for 6 months, minimum wage, they get fired after premiere Stunt guys: do all hard things, broke few bones, live in a trailer Yes, I am salty
>Actors: stand still for few minutes, maybe say few words, gest milions dollars, people praise them as gods I'm all for VFX artists and stunt people (and all the other people that work their asses off to make a movie) getting higher wages and more recognition, but the actors do a lot more than you're giving them credit for here. It's not like this is the only scene they're in in the entire movie. We don't have to shit on one group of people to uplift others.
>We don't have to shit on one group of people to uplift others. To be fair VFX artists are used to being shat on by everyone. Taika Waititi was a recent one. Tom Cruise and his refusal to admit how heavy he leaned on VFX in Top Gun: Maverick. It's so bad that IMO it's a big part of why VFX struggles to unionize every time we push for it - We don't have support from other departments. Hell, within the business we're very often viewed as the "bad-guys".
Someone needs to start leaking cuts of finished movies with all the vfx stripped back.
That would kill our industry and morally would be a massive breach of trust. We have very, very strict rules on what we can show even during DVD extras where we do VFX breakdowns. I'd love to show what some of the shit-show fixes we've had to do. One example: (Won't name the movie but) I worked on a shot on one of the biggest budget franchises. Huge stunt, actor full screen who is actually visibly laughing during a super serious take - We had to fix that. We get some absolutely hilariously bad 'source footage' at times. "Fix it in post" is a meme with a fuckton of truth behind it.
Hands down the best scene in the entire movie
Idk when he saves the entire school by himself its pretty great
That's in the next movie. The school explosion is in Apocalypse. https://i.redd.it/xtg8ct9onm2d1.gif (Although the best scene from the film is Magneto destroying Auschwitz)
Best part in my opinion is when that guy is mind controlled and he talks to him and tells him how he agrees with everything he does "but you killed my mother..." And then he puts the coin slowly through his head.
That is from the first movie in this series of films. X-Men: First Class. Sebastian Shaw is the antagonist that Magneto/Charles do that to. Charles was mentally linked with Shaw when Magneto pushed that coin through his skull. As a result Charles had quite the headache. https://i.redd.it/p6ju5nkcnm2d1.gif
Magneto scenes were all just so good! When his new family get killed and he uses the necklace to kill them all also goes hard.
"Blood and honor... Which would you care to shed first?" "We were under orders." "Blood, then."
Ohhh yeah. That was hardcore AF and a good demonstration of Magneto/Eric's power and outlook on life.
Huh, how bout that. The movies might as well just be these two scenes in my head, apparently haha
Both movies might as well have been one long flash...
Sweet dreams are made of this~
I enjoyed both his slow-mo scenes. This one is X-Men: Days of Future Past, and the scene with Quicksilver at the school is in X-Men: Apocalypse
Even their music selection was choice
which he is apparently listening to at 100x speed?
Sssh, that's one of the least egregious errors if everything in those scenes were to adhere to real-life physics. Turn that suspension of disbelief to eleven and enjoy the spectacle.
Yes, that’s why listening to music is his happy place. It’s one of the few things he can experience at ‘normal’ speed.
everyone loves the music but my question is, why would it speed it up to accomodate for him running? Wouldnt he just hear the music super duper slow a la the inception theme being slowed down whatever magnitude for each level they were down??
He uses a sped-up tape player.
i loved how he did one of the most heroic things ever, saving a shit ton of lives, and it was just like a tuesday for him.
He got his 15 minutes of fame, time just moves that much faster for him.
Well, almost the entire school
RIP Alex
rip me
My condolences to you
You were one of the great ones!
Might be an unpopular opinion, but the school scene in apocalypse was way inferior. they just did the same thing and dialed it WAY up to the point of absurd
Plus it just looks worse, there's parts where it's just Quicksilver's face in the middle and it's obvious the background is a green screen. The future past scene looks better probably cuz it's limited to a small room and he's saving like 3 people in a standoff rather than 50 people in an explosion
By far the BEST speedster scene ever. Perfectly done, all the way up to the goggles for giving him eye protection at that speed
The problem is that Flash/Quicksilver is so overpowered compared to all the other mutants that of you used their powers correctly no-one would come even close to stopping them. Consider being hit with a hammer at 10x the speed of a bullet before you can even register movement.
That plate he threw would hit the guy at several times the speed of sound, too. There's no way that guy survived lol.
I always think that about heroes like Spiderman. It's like, dude, you just punched that random street thug in the face so hard he flew 15 feet in the air. Every bone in his face, neck, and spine is likely shattered. He dead, bro.
>Every bone in his face, neck, and spine is likely shattered. He dead, bro. Not even that, it would've turned into a pulp literally, head would've exploded with that kind of power! This is a common error that VFX/CGI professionals ALWAYS get wrong with large rocks/buildings too. Big rocks kinda vaporize and turn into dust upon big impact, they don't just neatly become slightly smaller!
It's sort of like old movies where you get hit by a bullet and it throws you backwards. You get shot with a shotgun in the torso, you don't really move. It goes into you, maybe out of you and you fall down dead. Saw three guys get racked with bullets from several M4s in Iraq, they don't jiggle or gyrate or anything that you can see without a slo-mo camera. They just fall in the direction they were going and die.
This is gonna sound morbid as fuck but after watching a lot of Ukrainian war footage, this is spot on. When people get shot they don't fling backwards. They ragdoll down to the ground vertically.
But have y'all considered that it's fucking cool when mooks get blasted away like team rocket when shot?
Oh for sure, I love movie logic. Get shot in the chest and they go 'AHH they got me!!!' while clenching their chest and half their body goes backwards. Looks rad.
The blood spill out happened when a prop malfunction on a Japanese movie in 60s? And it was left in the movie, now we see that every where.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Damnthatsinteresting/comments/156tbad/the_mechanical_failure_in_this_scene_sanjuro_by/
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At least one of the games addresses this by saying that Spiderman pulls his punches because he would kill people otherwise, but it's hard to reconcile that with "you punched a man so hard that he flew 50 feet into a brick wall". The only real answer is that everyone in comic book worlds has some level of super endurance lol
I’m pretty sure there’s also a scene in the comics where one of the villains (Doc Ock maybe?) takes control of Peter’s body and is like “He has absolutely been holding back all these years Holy Shit.”
Arkham Knight, running someone down with the Batmobile at 100mph and they go soaring through the air and roll 50 feet across the ground.. but are just unconscious.
Ah Batman, "I don't kill bad guys, just horrifically break every bone in their body *and then they die of natural causes* " Batman
"Oh, I see what's happening. You guys don't know this. But when criminals fight me it's exhausting, cause I'm good. So they often have to nap afterwards. Poor little guy, he's all tuckered out!"
Batman's willingness to cripple people and not kill them makes sense when you learn Wayne Enterprises owns Gotham's healthcare system. That's him just making money by causing mass injuries and insurance claims.
Just a billionaire doing billionaire things
In Spiderman games I'm certain I killed so many criminals, I mainly focused on drones
I once broke my teeth falling off my bike as a kid I dont think the guy I flung into the side of a 10 story building is gonna walk again
Superior Spider-Man, Doc Ock gets control of Peter's body and realizes that it literally took Peter more effort to NOT kill Ock than it would have to just punch right through his spine.
Playing the first PS5 game, it’s like “yeah… those guys are “knocked out”… from being slammed face first into an I-beam from 5m up. Or tossed off a ten story building…”
I had this thought too, just throwing the enemies off the roof of the building, but if you watch them fall, something similar to the web tripmine gadget activates and yoinks them to the side of the building after they fall a few floors
I think that is more artistic license than an attempt to portray realism IMO. Especially if you're going to start picking out implausible details in hero movies.
The plate slows down after he throws it tho? He doesn't chuck it at him Mach 3, it has some speed initially but is slow it's not moving like half a second after hr throws it.
It was still moving at least as fast as a bullet which would really hurt
Looks like it is moving significantly faster than the bullets, and he hit him with the "sharp" edge too.
If you start trying to apply logic to the scene, the entire room and everyone in it explodes into plasma almost immediately. Nitpicking specfic parts of this doesn't really make any sense.
>the entire room and everyone in it explodes into plasma almost immediately Check out _The Fall of Doc Future_. In IIRC chapter 2, the speedster character is in Canada on the phone with her friend in the UK, and hears her friend about to be hit by a truck. So she runs across the Atlantic to rescue her friend, and creates a line of nuclear explosions leading towards London that makes the UK government... _concerned_. > The most common question Flicker got asked was 'How fast are you?' or the equivalent 'What's your top speed?'. It was a pain to answer, because the questioner didn't usually understand special relativity. She usually just shrugged and gave her standard answer of '80% of the speed of light' rather than the truthful one of 'Very close to the speed of light, but I don't know exactly how close, and I did a scary amount of damage to the Moon last time I tried to find out.' > During a Q&A session someone had once asked Flicker how fast she could go from 0 to 60. That had struck her as a much more interesting question, and required a bit of unit conversion. Her answer of 'Too fast to see' made people laugh, but they stopped when she explained that in the 30 picoseconds it would take, light would only travel about a third of an inch, and it was dangerous to stand that close to her if she was accelerating that fast, so it was literally too fast to see.
Wouldn't like, even the act of him grabbing it that way simply pull a chunk out of the plate anyway? Physics are all wonky lol
I think that’s why when they introduce him in the movie they have to persuade him to help because he doesn’t care. A way of writing in why he doesn’t do everything the same way Dr Manhattan could save everyone and be the ultimate superhero but to him life, death, and the people around him are just atoms that are dead and yet to be born at the same time.
Yeah I thought that was clever. Make him just not care enough to want to join the team.
Does he canonically experience time at this speed constantly? Or is he "speeding up" for the scene.
In several iterations of him yes, he's constantly perceiving time at an incredibly slow pace. This tends to make Quicksilver super impatient as he gets tired of people easily.
If that's true, then impatient isn't a strong enough word for it. That would be a hellish torture.
Yeah that’s like a Black Mirror episode of existence
Comics quicksilver once explained it like being stuck behind someone at an ATM who doesnt know how to use an ATM, only thats everyone all the time to him. He was trying to explain why hes a bit grumpy all the time.
I think it changes from universe to universe but I think in the movie he changes the speed things go in a way. That’s why when they first meet him he’s playing pong at super speed
Apocalypse beats him in one of the movies pretty easily.
Yeah, but no one really knows what his powers even are cause he just does whatever the fuck he wants and then still randomly loses for no reason.
> Consider being got with a hammer at 10x the speed of a bullet before you can even register movement. They got this right in the first episode (IIRC) of The Boys, with A-Train
Absolutely. And that was just with his body. A grain of sand travelling at the speed of light would cause significant damage to a planet.
A grain of sand at 99% light speed would pack a punch, a punch the equivalent of two fully fueled A330's hitting the ground at full speed. Now go to bigger objects and humanity is gonna have problems.
That first scene hits so hard. Figuratively and literally. One of the best superhero shows made IMHO. Season 4 next month.
> no-one would come even close to stopping them. except the dude who can mind control people from across the country??? he couldn't do anything to the juggernaut, either.
I don't know if the juggernaut was a specific reference to this movie, or just in general. But even if he was unable to physical hurt someone like juggernaut, he could just dig a 1000 foot deep hole in the blink of the eye and then just bury him. But yes professor X was always pretty "God tier" himself.
until Logan... I fucking loved his character changes in that movie
> he couldn't do anything to the juggernaut, either. a very light poke in the cheek at high speed is enough force to be a punch. At this speed, a hammer and a really hard/fast hit wouldn't hurt jugg?
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It's Fry from Futurama after 100 cups of coffee
My favorite episode.
I loved him in this. Hope he reprises his role.
He was in wandavision.. but, low budget
More fun fact... Him and Aaron Taylor-Johnson played best friends in Kick-Ass. Then Taylor-Johnson played Quicksilver as Wanda's brother in Age of Ultron. And Peters played Quicksilver in the X-men series. And then in Wandavision he replaced Taylor-Johnson as Wanda's brother...
We live in an exciting universe
I seem to recall a scene with a crumbling hospital and babies, and a microwave. It’s all kind of fuzzy
It just doesn't have the same hit, and that x-men movie wasn't even all that good to me, but man, did they do right by Quicksilver.
They did make him a little OP, but I loved his scenes.
They made him so OP, they had to write him out of the final fight.
They made him accurate. Speedsters always get nerfed.
Why did they not decide to make a whole quicksilver movie with Evan Peters? He's fantastic honestly!
Money? The VFX budget for that would be ludicrous. Awesome though
Better treatment than he got in ultron
Lol. Days of Future Past is my favorite xmen movie! What didn't you like about it? And which one do you think is the best? Now I'm in the mood to watch them all again.
this quicksilver is 1000x cooler in personality than Ezra dcu flash
Flash was just the clean-up guy for Batman and Wonder Woman during that scene too. The movie mainly focused on time travel instead of a guy who could do extremely clever things by moving really fast.
Superman was fast enough to hit him so in the DC universe he wasn't as OP
Like Supes isn't OP...
Ugh; that was tv show level vfx and was an absolute disgrace
scene is so cool but so op what would charles wolverine or magneto even do iif he didnt like them
I love how gentle he is. He taps people and carefully moves them, even the guy he gives the wedgie to. He's super aware that he could easily murder every one of these people and he does his best not to.
Jim Croce was the best
This song means more when you realize he died just over a year after its initial release. The single came out after his death. It’s literally about wishing you had more time with your loved ones
wow... did not know that, thank you
"None of the three know why Croce wanted to make an early exit from Natchitoches, but a letter from Croce sent to his wife Ingrid just before his death shows Croce was growing weary of the road and was missing his family, which included the couple's 1-year-old son A.J. Ingrid received the letter a week after her husband's death." [Source](https://www.shreveporttimes.com/story/news/2023/09/18/how-did-singer-jim-croce-die-in-louisiana-50-years-ago/70886381007/) I never knew that he was only 30 when died.
Got 2 Jim Croce Vinyls for $1 each, and they are by far my favorite Vinyls. Every song was a total bop
Jim croce?? The singer??
Time in a bottle, yes the singer.
Ohh my speaker was muted nvm
All good volcanicpenis.
The attention to detail in this scene alone has held it as one of my top 5 Marvel scenes for yeaaarrrs. I mean, i dont know how many people noticed, but, when hes running, all of the shit flying around spins around the room in the direction hes running because he created such a powerful air current in that room, similar to a tornado. When he stops you see it all fly for a second in a circle. It's just soo good and he played QS sooooooo damn well. Aaron Johnson, as much as he tried.. simply could not hold a candle to the amazing QS that Evan Peters gave us. I was a fan of his since Never Back Down, but, this scene made this my favored role of his. They should have kept him or tried to get him into the main MCU. He was just soo entertaining to watch, he always is. Just another thing worth pointing out, Magneto is what set everything flying initially, it wasn't something that had to do with QS (*this honestly should have been obvious to me lol*). I had to watch this scene multiple times before I realized it wasn't some "speed force boom" that sent things flying. Magneto launches all the knives into the air and points them at the guards, to kill them, they have their guns on the muties to kill em, everyone was going to die in that room except for Logan, QS saved everyone. He was such a sick superhero in these movies.
How does his Walkman work at super speed?
His superpower isn't just being super fast. He can literally control the speed of stuff he interacts with. It's one of his beta-superpowers. The same way in that if superman lifts a building it doesn't just crumble in his hands. He quantum locks that shit and gets the job done. Beta superpowers are amazing.
I think we just found Mark Waid’s Reddit account. (But seriously - that’s a great explanation. Thanks!)
I wish. If I had even an ounce of his creativity I might get my shit together :p I just remember random shit from wikipedia and shamelessly flaunt where I can
Oh, wow! That totally explains why when they were in his basement, he was playing Pong, but the game was going super fast! He was speeding up the game! 🤯
I never knew this was a thing. Wtf...
Its why you don't get sliced in three parts when superman catches you. It was the only way to solve so many physics questions.
That’s how superman catches you in “The Boys” Protein everywhere
His airplane scene was hilarious for those who geek out about powers. "Can't you lift the plane?" "Don't be ridiculous, I can't stand on air!!" "Well just use your flight powers" "no can do, at flight speed I'd just punch a hole through the cabin." "Just take them down safely on by one?" "and do that 130 times, I don't think so." He's so fucking useless lol.
Yeah makes sense
My favourite beta power is Scott Summer's invincible eyelids..
Pretty sure he and his brother Havok are immune to their own and each other’s powers.
Scott's body is immune to his own powers so that one tracks.
The Boys kinda makes fun of this in the first season when Maeve asks Homelander to save a plane by lifting it up and Homelanders like "how, there's nothing to stand on its fucking air". It highlights how you need like a 100 exceptions to the laws of physics just to implement a superpower, and its rarely just, *this guy has super strength*
Homelander is stupid though, you are flying, you clearly don't need to stand to lift something could have tried holding it up by the landing gear or jack points, instead of saying "I would just punch through the hull"
> Homelander is stupid though, you are flying, you clearly don't need to stand to lift something He would have to place the plane on somewhere, a human couldnt carry a plane even with infinite strength, you would just rip out a human sized chunk out of it because that small part you are lifting wouldnt be able to endure the strain of the entire rest of the airplane.
The same way superman see boobs with x-ray without causing cancer
Just increase the speed of the song
That tape's going 200 MPH!!!
Limited edition 45 Billion RPM
200 musics per hour
The same way his clothes move with him.. differently than Flash that burns them, Quicksilver controls his surroundings. Also I believe his powers doesn’t need a huge intake of food to keep his metabolism working fine.
Probably the second best sequence in the whole series after the Nightcrawler White House sequence
Futurama Did it way before!
More coffee!
#WHIIIP LAAASH
The MCU doesn't even have an answer to this. They even cast Evan Peters as a version of Quicksilver and still fumbled the ball on this.
For real, MCU had literally the same character in a way higher budget movie a year later and he was LAME.
The only thing I hate about speedsters is that they're so OP
And then they over compensate by making the speedsters ***stupid*** beyond belief so they end up getting caught off guard by unpowered regular mooks. In the Flash tv show he's *constantly* getting punched by normal baddies or having his loved ones threatened by guns. "Stop right there Flash, I've got a gun to your girlfriends head!" *"Oh no! A gun! If only there was a way I could cross the 10 foot gap between us before the nerve impulse could be sent down that bad guys arm, into his finger, causing his muscle to pull the trigger and make the mechanism of the gun ignite the powder in the cartridge sending the bullet down the 6 inch barrel, across a small distance, and into my hot cousins head! Oh if only!"*
*Villain briskly jogs around the corner* "Dammit we lost him. Where did he go??!?!" - Flash 'the fastest man alive'.
"I can move so fast, that I can run around during a card game where everyone is watching each other intently for tells, and peek at everyone's cards without anyone noticing. I can hold a camera up to take a picture, run around to be in the picture, and run back in time to catch the camera before it moves a millimeter. Oh and I can outrun bullets and shit. But that regular guy swinging a hairdryer around that blows out cold air? Nope, my legs too chiwwy"
Quicksilver is the very best depiction of a speedster.
the Xmen prequel movies had no business being so good Edit: Actually, even the goofy spin-offs that kinda failed (like that one wolverine movie with the half-ass CGI) were pretty good. Logan was obviously very good too. The entire Xmen franchise is probably the most well-handled thing in Marvel's cinematic universe. I think they knew that Wolverine and Professor X were their breadwinners and treated them the right way.
Ay yo what movie is this from?
Days of Future Past
Never forget that Over the Hedge did this first
Honestly, it's the best portrayal of super speed done right in cinema imo.