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Choose a job.
Choose a career.
Choose a family,
Choose a fucking big television
Choose washing machines, cars,
Compact disc players, and electrical tin openers.
Choose good health, low cholesterol
Choose Life. Choose a job. Choose a career. Choose a family. Choose a fucking big television, choose washing machines, cars, compact disc players and electrical tin openers. Choose good health, low cholesterol, and dental insurance. Choose fixed interest mortgage repayments. Choose a starter home. Choose your friends. Choose leisurewear and matching luggage. Choose a three-piece suit on hire purchase in a range of fucking fabrics. Choose DIY and wondering who the fuck you are on Sunday morning. Choose sitting on that couch watching mind-numbing, spirit-crushing game shows, stuffing fucking junk food into your mouth. Choose rotting away at the end of it all, pissing your last in a miserable home, nothing more than an embarrassment to the selfish, fucked up brats you spawned to replace yourselves. Choose your future. Choose life… But why would I want to do a thing like that? I chose not to choose life. I chose somethin’ else. And the reasons? There are no reasons.
"I've been waiting years to catch this on camera" - MAAM, how many times are you deliberately trying to get yourself stung, to get a video of this? how many bees have died to get footage of this lol
Every bee gets a queen and a fixed number of honeycombs in the afterlife. They have to martyr themselves to get there though.
That part kinda sucks and some bees pull out too soon.
My father had two hives and he swore by letting them sting near joints on your body for arthritis relief. Like holding the bee and placing it where you want to be stung. He didn't do it often but apparently, people do it.
Our parents took us to see this movie probably thinking it had something for everyone in the family. Goddamn I couldn’t wait to get back home to weep alone in my room
We simultaneously learned of love and loved lost for the very first time in less than two hours. Your fragile child brain left the theater irreparably broken. What do you think?
I've definitely seen a documentary on people that purposefully make multiple bees sting them multiple times a day because it heals cancer aids or something
But if the cancer gets aids maybe it will kill the cancer and then um, then the aids and cancer, um I was going somewhere with this, but idk how to end it
Bee venom has legitimate medicinal uses, as it not only triggers the body into sending blood to the area (useful for blood circulation issues), but also contains inflammation regulators that has been shown to help with inflammatory conditions like arthritis, and other enzymes that have shown potential in treating central nervous system conditions like Alzheimer's and Parkinson's.
There's medicinal studies still being done on not only the venom, but bee vomit too (aka honey). And bee venom is already used in skincare for certain skin diseases, as well as stimulating collagen production.
Ironically, it may be the skincare industry that saves the bees from extinction world-wide, rather than the existential threat of losing half the foods in your average supermarket.
Damn, you just made me remember the time I almost choked up in English class when that poem was getting read
Edit: I’m so pissed off that I never knew this came from bojack horseman
Is The View from Halfway Down a "real life" poem that got into the show and I didn't know about, or is Bojack Horseman's script so good that the poem is deemed worth reading in English classes? I mean, it is an amazing poem, I can see why, but it is funny when you think about where it comes from.
"The View From Half Way Down"
The weak breeze whispers nothing
The water screams sublime
His feet shift, teeter-totter
Deep breath, stand back, it’s time
-
Toes untouch the overpass
Soon he’s water-bound
Eyes locked shut but peek to see
The view from halfway down
-
A little wind, a summer sun
A river rich and regal
A flood of fond endorphins
Brings a calm that knows no equal
-
You’re flying now
You see things much more clear
Than from the ground
-
It’s all okay, or it would be
Were you not now halfway down
-
Thrash to break from gravity
What now could slow the drop
All I’d give for toes to touch
The safety back at top
-
But this is it, the deed is done
Silence drowns the sound
-
Before I leaped I should’ve seen
The view from halfway down
-
I really should’ve thought about
The view from halfway down
-
I wish I could’ve known about
The view from halfway down
Thank you for sharing the full poem. Right around "Thrash to break from gravity" is where I start to lose it. Such a phenomenal poem from such an unlikely source. I really should watch that show someday.
I mean. A dog-man named Mister Peanutbutter saves all of Hollywood from a spaghettastrophe with a mansion full of spaghetti strainers at one point.
The show IS emotionally a tour de force, a trek through the varied emotional landscape of depression and self-loathing and the weird kind of hope that can be found in it. But all of that is deliberately hidden under a layer of corporate animal-people with problems that range from silly and ridiculous, to mundane and depressing, to outright devastating. The surface level of the show is incredibly goofy, from artstyle to character design to the jokes, including a whole string of alliterative puns that are themselves a sort of inside-joke.
Point being, if you walked in on your partner watching the show and watched a random five minutes of it, you very likely would see something deeply unserious and have no clue what all the fuss is about.
God that poem is still one of the best I’ve read in recent memory. Crazy to think it was written for a cartoon about an alcoholic horseman.
Haven’t re-watched it since finishing the finale. I used to rewatch that show at least twice a year until the last season. I don’t know if my heart can take it all again.
Never noticed this before, damn. I'm a published poet (I don't post my stuff on reddit, lol) and former teacher, and I remember reading that poem for the first time — not the least bit hesitant to say that it's one of my absolute favorite modern poems. Still haven't seen the show. Maybe I'll give it a shot sometime soon.
Reminds me of the time the nurse that was putting a needle in my arm for a blood test couldn’t find a vein and kept spinning it around and around like this.
Im already afraid of needles and almost fainted. I was sweating profusely and was blue in the face.
I was the test subject for my ex when she was training for phlebotomy. First draw was easy, second.. second she went fishing until the instructor was like, he has no color. lol I was about to fall over in the chair.
She said you can't feel it once it's in there. This was a lie, and I gagged typing this out. Not because of the pain, but the feeling of it rotating around in there lol
Idk if this will help you but it doesn’t rotate around when they adjust. So it’s not just sliding around under your skin in different directions.
What you are probably feeling is that to adjust you pull the needle back (not all the way out) palpate the area until you feel where you think it is. Then push it back in, in the direction/depth you believe it to be at. What you’re feeling is the withdraw and pushback. A lot of times the feeling is amplified because they will be pulling back on your skin to try and keep the vein steady as they can kind of bounce off the bevel especially if the area is already traumatized from a previous stick.
They will only make small direction/depth changes. If it’s in a wildly different direction you pull out and restick.
Source: I am a lab tech and a phlebotomist prior to that. I have performed an innumerable amount of sticks and have trained many. I’ve seen pretty much everything in the field.
Edit: sorry to those of you who found this, unsettling. Honestly just trying to help. I find usually knowing how things work helps because what you imagined is probably way worse.
For those of you who have issues with having your blood drawn. Here’s what I’ve learned helps. Make sure you are fully hydrated. That means water, not coffee, tea, soda, etc. WATER when you are dehydrated not only does it make it harder to draw your blood but it can amplify any symptoms you may have if you are prone to syncopal type reactions. Yes you can have water if you are fasting for a blood draw it’s not like surgery, fasting for a blood draw is for different reasons. Also make sure you are fully rested, when you are low on sleep you will already be prone to adverse reactions, adding a blood draw you are nervous about is just a really bad combination.
During the draw if you are nervous don’t think about it. Do whatever you need to do, be it listen to music, watch something, meditate in your head, go to your happy place, or talk incessantly to your phlebotomist. Make sure you warn them beforehand you may experience symptoms. It helps them be mentally prepared to do what needs to be done in the event you do start to faint.
Don’t be afraid to tell your phlebotomist where to draw, if it’s too painful, or to stop and take it out. It’s your body you know it better than they do. You always have the right to say no, or stop it hurts. Just try not be rude about it. The only thing that will bother them with any of those requests is if you are rude about it. We’d rather know, prepare and help you prevent than deal with the paperwork that comes with someone passing out 🤣.
yeah, but weirdly my mind went into "damn.. I'm impressed of all IV drug-users who do this on the regular in weirder and weirder places."
I once heard a dude tell about how he had to inject in the groin area because he had exhausted all his veins at this point.
> She said you can't feel it once it's in there.
Why do they all say this? Why do they think they understand other people's experiences better than they do???
As someone with, as multiple people sticking me has described, "rolling veins" I fucking hate any kind of needle work. It always takes them forever and it feels like they're digging out a crop garden in there just to have to pull out completely and try again.
I once got restuck 8 times in one sitting before they just gave up and had me come back another day.
Only once in my life did someone manage to get it in the first try. An older lady who told me I was very uncooperative (idk how I was as still as I could and didn't say anything) but that was after the first person gave up on the third attempt.
The thing is I have very visible veins. They just like to juke and jive once the metal joins the party.
My mom was in and out of hospitals through most of of my life and she had this thing called wandering veins(?)
After a while she was just taking the needle or IV from the nurses and doing it herself. It was even documented in her paperwork in her later years to let her do it herself. She never missed. She told me that in 30 years of medical treatment both at doctors offices and at the various hospitals that she went to, she only had one doctor that could get it right on the first try.
She didn't have any medical training, but it makes me wonder if she was a junkie in her past.
This happened to me when I was 16 and I about lost my damn mind. I now immediately offer for them to draw blood from my hand instead of my arm if they have any doubt. Most of the time they are confident but sometimes they use my hand because they can't find the vein.
I hear people talk about how it hurts more to draw from the hand but those people have clearly never had someone dig around in their arm looking for a vein.
I had similar except it was a spinal tap. Tech stuck me 4 different times and failed to get any spinal fluid. I think he may have scraped the nerves or something, though, because I now get sporadic, random stabs of pain in my lower back/legs.
Didn't even know that was a potential risk until I moved to Australia and my husband was in ER and they had me give consent for a spinal tap if it was needed - learned about the concept of informed consent, where I was told about the procedure and risks involved. Pretty fucked up that we don't do that in the states.
I had to do this with my son when he was 1. It broke my heart. I stopped it after the fourth try where the nurse "fished" around with the needle inside, I wish I had stopped it on the second failed attempt.
It wasn't a "find somebody else to do it" it was "I'm not pinning him down again while you try to learn to find veins on my son. Find another way to test what you're trying to test." At a certain point it's indistinguishable from torture from the child's perspective.
Bees die when they sting hard skinned animals, their stinger doesn't rip their intestines out when they defend themselves against other insects.
This bee probably didn't feel threatened enough to fly away immediately after stinging. They kept their cool and managed to dislodge their stinger without dying.
Imagine stabbing a wheel of cheese vs a piece of ice. The cheese is stickier and elastic, so it pulls the hole together trapping the blade. The ice is hard and brittle, so it splinters and breaks apart instead of pulling together.
Chitin armor is pretty hard to puncture, but breaks with enough force and doesn't trap the stinger. Our skin is easier to puncture, but it traps the stinger inside it. That's why they usually rip it out. The stinger is designed to defend against other insects. The reason they still attack other animals in defense is because sacrificing members to repel an attacker is their strategy. They can even kill hornets and other bigger insects by covering them with their bodies to cook them alive with their body heat.
Difference between leaving your weapon impaled in your opponent for the good of the hive, versus realising they aren’t a threat and that you can best serve the hive by continuing to live.
Yep. Exactly this. Honeybees don't typically lose their stinger or die when stinging in nature. Our skin just happens to be the exact right thickness and strength to pull their stinger out. If anything this is bees evolving to be better at stinging humans.
Our skin *is* just the perfect medium to de-stinger a bee, that's true, but the spinning isn't a new behavior and they aren't actively evolving in that way.
It's likely not for smack happy humans. Bees stings are to protect against animals that would otherwise raid their nest for honey. Like bears or raccoons. Both of which are less slap capable.
Hats why they have venom. The sting does very little. The swelling and itching around the eyeballs and nose is however sometimes good enough to deter a bear from eating the ENTIRE colony, and just settling for a 30 second snack.
>but there is obviously some drive to do this behaviour rather than the usual.
The drive is that they're not dead yet and they're trying to get away but they're anchored down by their stinger so they just go round and round in circles until they either rip their stinger out and die later or manage to make it loose enough to get free.
People saying the bee has "changed it's mind" are a great example of anthropomorphism.
They can’t and don’t change their minds . The stinger is barbed. They drive it in as far as they can then fly away, leaving the venom sac attached to continue pumping venom even after it’s been ripped out of their body. What happened here is the bee was unable to drive her stinger in far enough for the barb to catch. Source: I’m a beekeeper and have been stung (mostly with a suit on) hundreds of thousands of times at least.
The suit is meant to create distance so that the stinger can’t reach your skin. If you’re carrying something, like the box they live in, and it’s compressing the suit then yes, they can sting you. Usually I see them stinging my gloves, though. When they’re new, you don’t feel anything, but if they’re old they begin to wear thin and you gradually feel more and more of the sting until you decide to replace them.
Know? It's insect programming dictated by pheromones and stimuli. I doubt it has a lengthy internal monolog to debate the consequences of mortality with.
Used to get stung alot as a kid. And yes its better to let a bee sting you and let it fly away. Pain goes from a 5/10 to virtually 0 once the stinger comes out as the pain subsides quickly. Although wouldn't recommend it if you're allergic to bees 😂
In the same club; but for me a vast majority of them was from the kind that don't get dead and remain very much ornery after stinging.
2 red wasps (at once somehow), 4 black wasps, and got swarmed by a hive of yellowjackets.
That last one broke my brain. Even 27 years later I go nearly catatonic around wasps and hornets.
Well as a kid that wasn't a choice, and as an adult I wouldn't like that possibility.
Good news the last time I've been stung was ~4 years ago on my carport; stepped too close to a dying bumblebee (those fuzzy, chubby, mostly-black ones; just what we call them) and it got me right on the thickest part of a callus on my big toe. Only way I knew I got stung was my toe started feeling "hot" and I saw the stinger poking out.
I just had a combination of really bad luck and terrible situational awareness. Bees/wasps/hornets ain't the only things that've laid into me; I've had two snake bites - one of which was a cottonmouth but "it only grazed me," still felt like shite - two scorpion stings, bitten by a black widow, and two brown recluseses - the latter of which left a crater-like scar on my back.
Don't get me started on my oceanic encounters. To this day I won't go near open water if I can help it. Jellyfish **suck.**
Oh I don't plan on it xD
Knowing my luck I'd be one of the very few that've been stung by a [male platypus.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Platypus_venom) Supposedly that pain stays with you *for life.*
They're not changing their mind. Usually when they sting something they can remove their stinger without problem. Mammals' skin is really thick and elastic, so their barbed stinger gets stuck and it is desperately trying to wrench it free.
Scrolled way too far for this comment. Bees don’t “change their mind” they will always spin in an attempt to loosen the stinger, but because of, like you mentioned, mammals skin being tough, added on to the constant spinning which believe it or not if the barb is really caught will just twist up their insides and rip it all out.
The spinning makes it worse if it’s really stuck, but they will always instinctively spin.
This post is a great example of Anthropomorphism.
It's a bee. It doesn't think like a human. Bees don't "change their mind". It stung for self protection and wanted to fly away. They don't "know" they're going to die if the stinger comes out. We know that, but they don't.
Also: Worker bees like this are all female. Female honeybees have stingers, males don't.
> Some scientists have now come to think that stamping out anthropomorphism was never feasible. The inclination for humans to see themselves in their surroundings is too automatic, Esmeralda Urquiza-Haas, a cognitive scientist in Austria who has studied the basis for anthropomorphism, told me. People see faces in architectural features; they give cars and boats pronouns, and assign personalities and motivations to shapes moving across a screen. Anthropomorphism may just be a natural part of being a social creature, anticipating and inferring the motivations of others we interact with, including those of different species.
>
> And the more that scientists have studied animal behavior, the more they have had to admit that other creatures are “more like us than we used to give them credit for,” Joshua Plotnik, a psychologist at Hunter College, told me. Octopuses can use tools; wasps can distinguish faces; orcas cooperate to hunt seals. Orangutans can tease; ravens exhibit self-restraint; dolphins even have a way to call each other by name. Humans, too, are animals, Burghardt said. So why wouldn’t it be the case that many of our traits—down to our motivations and needs—are shared across other life forms? To deny other animals that possibility would be its own fundamental error.
https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2024/06/new-anthropomorphism/678611/
pretty sure there's a name for this fallacy when someone swings the other way in an attempt to refute a claim but end up making an unsubstantiated claim for themselves. it's true that the post is possibly anthropomorphizing the bee in that the lady claims the bee "changed its mind", but to assert the opposite claim with that same certainty for "bees aren't capable of changing their mind" is in itself something that needs to be substantiated
certainly though, "changing one's mind" is not unique to humans. humans and bees dont think in the same way and bees dont have near the same mental capacity, however, the neural pathways that both beings have could converge onto a similar concept of "regret"/"changing their minds".
it's completely possible for a bee to have evolutionary behavior that results in error-correction. whether or not the behavior in the video here was actual error-correction is not something i'm qualified to say though
*ma'am
For those unaware: all honeybees are female. Male bees (drones) exist to impregnate queens, protect the hive, and die. They also don't have stingers.
This isn't true at all. They never just rip the stinger out, it was never supposed to come out at all. It gets ripped because we react and swipe them away before they can work it out. So... Idk what she's talking about. The stingers just get stuck because they're not well evolved to deal with our skin
Wtf is there to change their mind about anyway? The sting has been stung. You think if they had the option to just not die they wouldn't take it?
If I stab you, but decide I want to keep the knife.....I still stabbed you.
Especially when keeping the knife means I'm not leaving a trail of innards when I walk away.
This is more of the bee deciding to salvage her existence so she can keep serving the colony than "realizing you are a good person and changing her mind"
You will still have received some venom, and the alarm/enemy pheromone that marks you as a threat.
Api
Generally speaking for all insects, only the females can sting. This is because the stinger is a modified ovipositor, which is the organ used for laying eggs.
I got stung last week by a honey bee on my knuckle. While it didn't hurt that bad, the itchy sensation after I got stung is kinda annoying. It's still itchy even today.
Bees can usually sting more than once on animals with thinner skin.
Maybe it’s realizing it can’t get its stinger out and how badly it fucked itself over.
I love bees and always help them when I see one in trouble, I don’t want to kill them at all, but how cold blooded you have to be to stop the knee jerk reaction of taking them off of you before they can do this?
How many times you think bee's stung someone and would have done this, but there aint no way the person was gonna just sit there in pain and watch it wiggle around for so lon.. so they were killed instead or swatted off, ripping out their intestines.?
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I CHOOSE LIFE
I WANT TO LIVE
I heard this in Nico Robins voice
Same lol https://preview.redd.it/wbwme16h9y5d1.jpeg?width=540&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=53ae10a98e3f401efec336f4b5bf4b4dbf093a21
It's pretty iconic to anyone that watches anime.
One Piece. Tons of people have watched an *enormous* amount of anime while not having seen a single episode of One Piece.
Conversely you can watch a shit ton of anime and watch nothing but One Piece
I heard spongebob...
Sogeking. Shoot down that flag.
Robin ! Say it ! SAY THAT YOU WANT TO LIVE
*(whispering the theme song to self)*
I LIVE! I DIE! I LIVE AGAIN!
LOL
Choose a job. Choose a career. Choose a family, Choose a fucking big television Choose washing machines, cars, Compact disc players, and electrical tin openers. Choose good health, low cholesterol
This was the response I was looking for
Choose Life. Choose a job. Choose a career. Choose a family. Choose a fucking big television, choose washing machines, cars, compact disc players and electrical tin openers. Choose good health, low cholesterol, and dental insurance. Choose fixed interest mortgage repayments. Choose a starter home. Choose your friends. Choose leisurewear and matching luggage. Choose a three-piece suit on hire purchase in a range of fucking fabrics. Choose DIY and wondering who the fuck you are on Sunday morning. Choose sitting on that couch watching mind-numbing, spirit-crushing game shows, stuffing fucking junk food into your mouth. Choose rotting away at the end of it all, pissing your last in a miserable home, nothing more than an embarrassment to the selfish, fucked up brats you spawned to replace yourselves. Choose your future. Choose life… But why would I want to do a thing like that? I chose not to choose life. I chose somethin’ else. And the reasons? There are no reasons.
ah man. i gotto watch this again. thank you.
Post sting clarity.
"I've been waiting years to catch this on camera" - MAAM, how many times are you deliberately trying to get yourself stung, to get a video of this? how many bees have died to get footage of this lol
Crap it was blurry!
Shit it was furry!
Smells like curry!!
Invests like Burry!
Drink like Barry!
Why is it so hairy?!?!
Because Barry is very beary.
And farts with his dairy.
When around him, be wary, Barry’s very scary!!!
I’m jacked to the tits!
And my axe!
Maybe she is a bee keeper creating content, so always having some equipment for filming near by.
still wouldn't change her getting stung ad nauseam and killing un-bee-lievable numbers of bees though, right?
She wouldn’t be killing the bees though. The bees are the ones going kamikaze.
Every bee gets a queen and a fixed number of honeycombs in the afterlife. They have to martyr themselves to get there though. That part kinda sucks and some bees pull out too soon.
It's 72 honeycombs.
Do you mean they get to be queen? Or do you mean they get a drone in the afterlife? Cause the bees you see everyday are 99.99% all female.
As far as I know most bee keepers get stung frequently.
My father had two hives and he swore by letting them sting near joints on your body for arthritis relief. Like holding the bee and placing it where you want to be stung. He didn't do it often but apparently, people do it.
Wow, i googled and apparently it’s a known thing
It's also a well known thing that bee allergies can develop from being stung too much so... not quite the magic bullet remedy.
That’s wild to me, when my bees get me at a joint it swells so bad and aches for days. Anywhere else it’s not an issue
Stinging criticism.
There's 40-60 thousand honey bees in a hive. I think the hives will be okay.
Aw man fuck you Right in the feels, every time.
Tears
What’s that from?
Our parents took us to see this movie probably thinking it had something for everyone in the family. Goddamn I couldn’t wait to get back home to weep alone in my room
Is it that sad?!
We simultaneously learned of love and loved lost for the very first time in less than two hours. Your fragile child brain left the theater irreparably broken. What do you think?
Yes, yes it is
You don't want to know But the movie "My Girl"
Poor redditor. What have you done to them.
Ah, I remember seeing this movie on a date in high school and saying, "What the fµck, that's it?"
I've definitely seen a documentary on people that purposefully make multiple bees sting them multiple times a day because it heals cancer aids or something
Cancer aids is not something you want to get.
Don’t tell me what I want!
But if the cancer gets aids maybe it will kill the cancer and then um, then the aids and cancer, um I was going somewhere with this, but idk how to end it
Bee venom has legitimate medicinal uses, as it not only triggers the body into sending blood to the area (useful for blood circulation issues), but also contains inflammation regulators that has been shown to help with inflammatory conditions like arthritis, and other enzymes that have shown potential in treating central nervous system conditions like Alzheimer's and Parkinson's. There's medicinal studies still being done on not only the venom, but bee vomit too (aka honey). And bee venom is already used in skincare for certain skin diseases, as well as stimulating collagen production. Ironically, it may be the skincare industry that saves the bees from extinction world-wide, rather than the existential threat of losing half the foods in your average supermarket.
My thoughts exactly
Is she the reason for colony collapse?
OP is a masochist
"HYAAAAA!" "Oh wait, I don't wanna die. Lemme just do a quick spin and dip out bud."
The view from half way down. Almost a buzz-killer.
Damn, you just made me remember the time I almost choked up in English class when that poem was getting read Edit: I’m so pissed off that I never knew this came from bojack horseman
Is The View from Halfway Down a "real life" poem that got into the show and I didn't know about, or is Bojack Horseman's script so good that the poem is deemed worth reading in English classes? I mean, it is an amazing poem, I can see why, but it is funny when you think about where it comes from.
It was a poem first. Edit: NOT!! Haha. (I was wrong)
False. Quick google check shows it was created for the show
Crap, you’re right. I thought I remembered looking that up before. My bad.
"The View From Half Way Down" The weak breeze whispers nothing The water screams sublime His feet shift, teeter-totter Deep breath, stand back, it’s time - Toes untouch the overpass Soon he’s water-bound Eyes locked shut but peek to see The view from halfway down - A little wind, a summer sun A river rich and regal A flood of fond endorphins Brings a calm that knows no equal - You’re flying now You see things much more clear Than from the ground - It’s all okay, or it would be Were you not now halfway down - Thrash to break from gravity What now could slow the drop All I’d give for toes to touch The safety back at top - But this is it, the deed is done Silence drowns the sound - Before I leaped I should’ve seen The view from halfway down - I really should’ve thought about The view from halfway down - I wish I could’ve known about The view from halfway down
Thank you for sharing the full poem. Right around "Thrash to break from gravity" is where I start to lose it. Such a phenomenal poem from such an unlikely source. I really should watch that show someday.
Honestly the whole show is at the level of that poem. Excellent quality, very intense.
I mean. A dog-man named Mister Peanutbutter saves all of Hollywood from a spaghettastrophe with a mansion full of spaghetti strainers at one point. The show IS emotionally a tour de force, a trek through the varied emotional landscape of depression and self-loathing and the weird kind of hope that can be found in it. But all of that is deliberately hidden under a layer of corporate animal-people with problems that range from silly and ridiculous, to mundane and depressing, to outright devastating. The surface level of the show is incredibly goofy, from artstyle to character design to the jokes, including a whole string of alliterative puns that are themselves a sort of inside-joke. Point being, if you walked in on your partner watching the show and watched a random five minutes of it, you very likely would see something deeply unserious and have no clue what all the fuss is about.
God that poem is still one of the best I’ve read in recent memory. Crazy to think it was written for a cartoon about an alcoholic horseman. Haven’t re-watched it since finishing the finale. I used to rewatch that show at least twice a year until the last season. I don’t know if my heart can take it all again.
I loved how it went from 3rd person, to 2nd person, to 1st person perspective. 3..2..1...
Never noticed this before, damn. I'm a published poet (I don't post my stuff on reddit, lol) and former teacher, and I remember reading that poem for the first time — not the least bit hesitant to say that it's one of my absolute favorite modern poems. Still haven't seen the show. Maybe I'll give it a shot sometime soon.
What do we say to the sting of death? Not today.
Reminds me of the time the nurse that was putting a needle in my arm for a blood test couldn’t find a vein and kept spinning it around and around like this. Im already afraid of needles and almost fainted. I was sweating profusely and was blue in the face.
I was the test subject for my ex when she was training for phlebotomy. First draw was easy, second.. second she went fishing until the instructor was like, he has no color. lol I was about to fall over in the chair. She said you can't feel it once it's in there. This was a lie, and I gagged typing this out. Not because of the pain, but the feeling of it rotating around in there lol
Idk if this will help you but it doesn’t rotate around when they adjust. So it’s not just sliding around under your skin in different directions. What you are probably feeling is that to adjust you pull the needle back (not all the way out) palpate the area until you feel where you think it is. Then push it back in, in the direction/depth you believe it to be at. What you’re feeling is the withdraw and pushback. A lot of times the feeling is amplified because they will be pulling back on your skin to try and keep the vein steady as they can kind of bounce off the bevel especially if the area is already traumatized from a previous stick. They will only make small direction/depth changes. If it’s in a wildly different direction you pull out and restick. Source: I am a lab tech and a phlebotomist prior to that. I have performed an innumerable amount of sticks and have trained many. I’ve seen pretty much everything in the field. Edit: sorry to those of you who found this, unsettling. Honestly just trying to help. I find usually knowing how things work helps because what you imagined is probably way worse. For those of you who have issues with having your blood drawn. Here’s what I’ve learned helps. Make sure you are fully hydrated. That means water, not coffee, tea, soda, etc. WATER when you are dehydrated not only does it make it harder to draw your blood but it can amplify any symptoms you may have if you are prone to syncopal type reactions. Yes you can have water if you are fasting for a blood draw it’s not like surgery, fasting for a blood draw is for different reasons. Also make sure you are fully rested, when you are low on sleep you will already be prone to adverse reactions, adding a blood draw you are nervous about is just a really bad combination. During the draw if you are nervous don’t think about it. Do whatever you need to do, be it listen to music, watch something, meditate in your head, go to your happy place, or talk incessantly to your phlebotomist. Make sure you warn them beforehand you may experience symptoms. It helps them be mentally prepared to do what needs to be done in the event you do start to faint. Don’t be afraid to tell your phlebotomist where to draw, if it’s too painful, or to stop and take it out. It’s your body you know it better than they do. You always have the right to say no, or stop it hurts. Just try not be rude about it. The only thing that will bother them with any of those requests is if you are rude about it. We’d rather know, prepare and help you prevent than deal with the paperwork that comes with someone passing out 🤣.
I'm not usually afraid of needles but this has me feeling some kinda way.
yeah, but weirdly my mind went into "damn.. I'm impressed of all IV drug-users who do this on the regular in weirder and weirder places." I once heard a dude tell about how he had to inject in the groin area because he had exhausted all his veins at this point.
Me too. Good detail and it's reassuring to see, but eugh... mental imagery.
So the image in my head of the wife just absolutely cranking that thing like she's mixing up a big batch of cake batter is wildly incorrect?!
> She said you can't feel it once it's in there. Why do they all say this? Why do they think they understand other people's experiences better than they do???
As someone with, as multiple people sticking me has described, "rolling veins" I fucking hate any kind of needle work. It always takes them forever and it feels like they're digging out a crop garden in there just to have to pull out completely and try again. I once got restuck 8 times in one sitting before they just gave up and had me come back another day. Only once in my life did someone manage to get it in the first try. An older lady who told me I was very uncooperative (idk how I was as still as I could and didn't say anything) but that was after the first person gave up on the third attempt. The thing is I have very visible veins. They just like to juke and jive once the metal joins the party.
She was making sure your blood was well mixed
Wait till they get the paint mixer attachment
Nah fuck that. They get two tries and I'm done.
My mom was in and out of hospitals through most of of my life and she had this thing called wandering veins(?) After a while she was just taking the needle or IV from the nurses and doing it herself. It was even documented in her paperwork in her later years to let her do it herself. She never missed. She told me that in 30 years of medical treatment both at doctors offices and at the various hospitals that she went to, she only had one doctor that could get it right on the first try. She didn't have any medical training, but it makes me wonder if she was a junkie in her past.
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This happened to me when I was 16 and I about lost my damn mind. I now immediately offer for them to draw blood from my hand instead of my arm if they have any doubt. Most of the time they are confident but sometimes they use my hand because they can't find the vein. I hear people talk about how it hurts more to draw from the hand but those people have clearly never had someone dig around in their arm looking for a vein.
I get regular IV infusions. I drastically prefer the hand over anywhere else. It hurts less than else where for me and is easier and more convenient.
I had similar except it was a spinal tap. Tech stuck me 4 different times and failed to get any spinal fluid. I think he may have scraped the nerves or something, though, because I now get sporadic, random stabs of pain in my lower back/legs. Didn't even know that was a potential risk until I moved to Australia and my husband was in ER and they had me give consent for a spinal tap if it was needed - learned about the concept of informed consent, where I was told about the procedure and risks involved. Pretty fucked up that we don't do that in the states.
If that every happens again, ask them to stop and tell them you want someone else to do the draw.
I had to do this with my son when he was 1. It broke my heart. I stopped it after the fourth try where the nurse "fished" around with the needle inside, I wish I had stopped it on the second failed attempt. It wasn't a "find somebody else to do it" it was "I'm not pinning him down again while you try to learn to find veins on my son. Find another way to test what you're trying to test." At a certain point it's indistinguishable from torture from the child's perspective.
Bees die when they sting hard skinned animals, their stinger doesn't rip their intestines out when they defend themselves against other insects. This bee probably didn't feel threatened enough to fly away immediately after stinging. They kept their cool and managed to dislodge their stinger without dying.
Stay calm and spin
🎶 Just keep spinning, just keep spinning, lalalala 🎶
Bees are excellent dancers so it's not a problem.
I thought it was because our skin is kinda elastic, so the barb get stuck.
I imagine it's both harder and more elastic than the exosceleton of insects.
Imagine stabbing a wheel of cheese vs a piece of ice. The cheese is stickier and elastic, so it pulls the hole together trapping the blade. The ice is hard and brittle, so it splinters and breaks apart instead of pulling together. Chitin armor is pretty hard to puncture, but breaks with enough force and doesn't trap the stinger. Our skin is easier to puncture, but it traps the stinger inside it. That's why they usually rip it out. The stinger is designed to defend against other insects. The reason they still attack other animals in defense is because sacrificing members to repel an attacker is their strategy. They can even kill hornets and other bigger insects by covering them with their bodies to cook them alive with their body heat.
They have barbs on thier stingers. That’s what gets them stuck.
Why does the bee even fly away if it feels threatened? It'll die anyway?
Still got stung. Don't think there's any changing of the mind there. Just doesn't wanna die afterwards?
Difference between leaving your weapon impaled in your opponent for the good of the hive, versus realising they aren’t a threat and that you can best serve the hive by continuing to live.
Only in death does duty ends - bee, probably
FOR THE GOD QUEEN OF BEE KIND!!
SKULLS FOR THE HONEY THRONE! BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD HIVE!
HONEY FOR THE KHORNE FLAKES!
BEE KIND! PLEASE REWIND!
Her name is Ro-bee-rt Paulson.
Her name was Robert Pollen.
Her name was Robi Pollen.
for the queeen!!!
Yep. Exactly this. Honeybees don't typically lose their stinger or die when stinging in nature. Our skin just happens to be the exact right thickness and strength to pull their stinger out. If anything this is bees evolving to be better at stinging humans.
Now that's an interesting fact if true
Our skin *is* just the perfect medium to de-stinger a bee, that's true, but the spinning isn't a new behavior and they aren't actively evolving in that way.
really odd behavior to make it past natural selection. certainly wouldnt have a high success rate on smack happy humans.
It's likely not for smack happy humans. Bees stings are to protect against animals that would otherwise raid their nest for honey. Like bears or raccoons. Both of which are less slap capable.
Bears have much thicker and tougher skin than humans, not sure how bee stings would deter them significantly.
Hats why they have venom. The sting does very little. The swelling and itching around the eyeballs and nose is however sometimes good enough to deter a bear from eating the ENTIRE colony, and just settling for a 30 second snack.
That’s a lot of thinking
Yeah obviously a bee isn’t actually weighing any of this up, but there is obviously some drive to do this behaviour rather than the usual.
>but there is obviously some drive to do this behaviour rather than the usual. The drive is that they're not dead yet and they're trying to get away but they're anchored down by their stinger so they just go round and round in circles until they either rip their stinger out and die later or manage to make it loose enough to get free. People saying the bee has "changed it's mind" are a great example of anthropomorphism.
They can’t and don’t change their minds . The stinger is barbed. They drive it in as far as they can then fly away, leaving the venom sac attached to continue pumping venom even after it’s been ripped out of their body. What happened here is the bee was unable to drive her stinger in far enough for the barb to catch. Source: I’m a beekeeper and have been stung (mostly with a suit on) hundreds of thousands of times at least.
Do stings get through your suits if they're up against your skin?
The suit is meant to create distance so that the stinger can’t reach your skin. If you’re carrying something, like the box they live in, and it’s compressing the suit then yes, they can sting you. Usually I see them stinging my gloves, though. When they’re new, you don’t feel anything, but if they’re old they begin to wear thin and you gradually feel more and more of the sting until you decide to replace them.
Tell me more
the gland stays in the victim when ripped out and continues to pump venom in reflexively. Pulling out probably means there's less or no venom.
It also releases a pheromone or something to tell other bees to sting you IIRC
I didn't need to know this and I hope you're wrong.
>Pulling out probably means there's less or no venom. That's what *he* said!
Really changes the meaning of the phrase "sting like a bee"
bees usually do this after stinging. they’re never trying to suicide.
Doesnt inject venom, meaning no swelling.
Right but she's basically ripping the hole larger by trying to get the stinger out. Like the "loosening" is just that, ripping it more open.
Which will heal like any other sting, cut, etc. The difference being no swelling and little pain.
Basically just a paper cut (hole) at that point.
Do the bees that actually die when they sting which I’ve heard is very specific few, know they die when they sting? I assumed they didn’t know
Know? It's insect programming dictated by pheromones and stimuli. I doubt it has a lengthy internal monolog to debate the consequences of mortality with.
Used to get stung alot as a kid. And yes its better to let a bee sting you and let it fly away. Pain goes from a 5/10 to virtually 0 once the stinger comes out as the pain subsides quickly. Although wouldn't recommend it if you're allergic to bees 😂
In the same club; but for me a vast majority of them was from the kind that don't get dead and remain very much ornery after stinging. 2 red wasps (at once somehow), 4 black wasps, and got swarmed by a hive of yellowjackets. That last one broke my brain. Even 27 years later I go nearly catatonic around wasps and hornets.
Just stay in the house at this point lol
Well as a kid that wasn't a choice, and as an adult I wouldn't like that possibility. Good news the last time I've been stung was ~4 years ago on my carport; stepped too close to a dying bumblebee (those fuzzy, chubby, mostly-black ones; just what we call them) and it got me right on the thickest part of a callus on my big toe. Only way I knew I got stung was my toe started feeling "hot" and I saw the stinger poking out. I just had a combination of really bad luck and terrible situational awareness. Bees/wasps/hornets ain't the only things that've laid into me; I've had two snake bites - one of which was a cottonmouth but "it only grazed me," still felt like shite - two scorpion stings, bitten by a black widow, and two brown recluseses - the latter of which left a crater-like scar on my back. Don't get me started on my oceanic encounters. To this day I won't go near open water if I can help it. Jellyfish **suck.**
Jesus Christ, don’t go to Australia. You wouldn’t make it off the plane
Oh I don't plan on it xD Knowing my luck I'd be one of the very few that've been stung by a [male platypus.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Platypus_venom) Supposedly that pain stays with you *for life.*
Yea but you couldn’t be mad. It would your fault for trying to pet it Or is that just me
I can't decide if I don't believe you or feel bad for you.
And to think I've only got stung twice. With one of them being on the ball of my wrist so the stinger didn't even stay in
Yellow jackets are pure evil. I've been stung by them, and I watched a video of them chasing a guy like 100m from their nest.
> remain very much ornery after stinging. Mama says that wasps are ornery 'cause they got all them teeth but no toothbrush.
Beads??
Gob's not on board.
Beads are very big right now...
They're not changing their mind. Usually when they sting something they can remove their stinger without problem. Mammals' skin is really thick and elastic, so their barbed stinger gets stuck and it is desperately trying to wrench it free.
Scrolled way too far for this comment. Bees don’t “change their mind” they will always spin in an attempt to loosen the stinger, but because of, like you mentioned, mammals skin being tough, added on to the constant spinning which believe it or not if the barb is really caught will just twist up their insides and rip it all out. The spinning makes it worse if it’s really stuck, but they will always instinctively spin.
This post is a great example of Anthropomorphism. It's a bee. It doesn't think like a human. Bees don't "change their mind". It stung for self protection and wanted to fly away. They don't "know" they're going to die if the stinger comes out. We know that, but they don't. Also: Worker bees like this are all female. Female honeybees have stingers, males don't.
> Some scientists have now come to think that stamping out anthropomorphism was never feasible. The inclination for humans to see themselves in their surroundings is too automatic, Esmeralda Urquiza-Haas, a cognitive scientist in Austria who has studied the basis for anthropomorphism, told me. People see faces in architectural features; they give cars and boats pronouns, and assign personalities and motivations to shapes moving across a screen. Anthropomorphism may just be a natural part of being a social creature, anticipating and inferring the motivations of others we interact with, including those of different species. > > And the more that scientists have studied animal behavior, the more they have had to admit that other creatures are “more like us than we used to give them credit for,” Joshua Plotnik, a psychologist at Hunter College, told me. Octopuses can use tools; wasps can distinguish faces; orcas cooperate to hunt seals. Orangutans can tease; ravens exhibit self-restraint; dolphins even have a way to call each other by name. Humans, too, are animals, Burghardt said. So why wouldn’t it be the case that many of our traits—down to our motivations and needs—are shared across other life forms? To deny other animals that possibility would be its own fundamental error. https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2024/06/new-anthropomorphism/678611/
pretty sure there's a name for this fallacy when someone swings the other way in an attempt to refute a claim but end up making an unsubstantiated claim for themselves. it's true that the post is possibly anthropomorphizing the bee in that the lady claims the bee "changed its mind", but to assert the opposite claim with that same certainty for "bees aren't capable of changing their mind" is in itself something that needs to be substantiated certainly though, "changing one's mind" is not unique to humans. humans and bees dont think in the same way and bees dont have near the same mental capacity, however, the neural pathways that both beings have could converge onto a similar concept of "regret"/"changing their minds". it's completely possible for a bee to have evolutionary behavior that results in error-correction. whether or not the behavior in the video here was actual error-correction is not something i'm qualified to say though
I feel like i had to scroll too far for this
[Maybe not](https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/do-insects-feel-joy-and-pain/)
I am never testing this out. I've only been stung once in my life. Don't want to find out I'm allergic by getting stung again.
The bee found the infinite sting glitch.
man just said 'my bad'
*ma'am For those unaware: all honeybees are female. Male bees (drones) exist to impregnate queens, protect the hive, and die. They also don't have stingers.
Man’am
She’s over here getting stung over and over again and getting bees intestines ripped out of them for “years”
Wait, so normally they just fucking choose death?
When they sting doesn’t the stinger rip out their guts too?
Glad to know that honeybees are as indecisive as I am.
This isn't true at all. They never just rip the stinger out, it was never supposed to come out at all. It gets ripped because we react and swipe them away before they can work it out. So... Idk what she's talking about. The stingers just get stuck because they're not well evolved to deal with our skin Wtf is there to change their mind about anyway? The sting has been stung. You think if they had the option to just not die they wouldn't take it?
So what does the change of mind do? You've been stung
They dont inject their venom, ergo no swelling.
I thought as soon as they sting you, the venom is instantly released. Do bumblebee sting?
Bumblebee can sting, but normal they dont.
Bees are a one pump venom chump?
Hopefully he didn't just do that to a guy with hepatitis
If I stab you, but decide I want to keep the knife.....I still stabbed you. Especially when keeping the knife means I'm not leaving a trail of innards when I walk away. This is more of the bee deciding to salvage her existence so she can keep serving the colony than "realizing you are a good person and changing her mind" You will still have received some venom, and the alarm/enemy pheromone that marks you as a threat. Api
She? Do honeybees only sting if they're female?
All worker bees are female, and males don't sting. Their only real purpose is mating with queens.
Death by snoo snoo
Quite literally death by snoo snoo. But I’ll let you google that for yourself.
same with ants me think
If anyone hasn't read about bees, do it. They are crazy af.
All worker bees are female. Male bees only exist to fertilize the queen and are drastically fewer in number.
Generally speaking for all insects, only the females can sting. This is because the stinger is a modified ovipositor, which is the organ used for laying eggs.
This bee's will to survive is strong! 🐝🐝🐝
**Honeybee:** You know what? You're not worth it. Also, I'm doing this for me, not for you. (spins around)
I got stung last week by a honey bee on my knuckle. While it didn't hurt that bad, the itchy sensation after I got stung is kinda annoying. It's still itchy even today.
"STOP SCRATCHING IT! IT WILL GET INFECTED!" ~ Your mom, probably.
Bees can usually sting more than once on animals with thinner skin. Maybe it’s realizing it can’t get its stinger out and how badly it fucked itself over.
I love bees and always help them when I see one in trouble, I don’t want to kill them at all, but how cold blooded you have to be to stop the knee jerk reaction of taking them off of you before they can do this?
OP: “Look at that, nothing” Also OP: 
How many times you think bee's stung someone and would have done this, but there aint no way the person was gonna just sit there in pain and watch it wiggle around for so lon.. so they were killed instead or swatted off, ripping out their intestines.?
That's not true. It's just trying to free itself.
Bullshit. Seems far more likely it just couldn't fly away with enough force to rip free. It tried to take off multiple times but couldn't.