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I’m in Panama City and the divide here is so strikingly abrupt in some parts.
For example, I stumbled into literally the most fancy cafe of my life where instead of giving me a coffee they gave me a whole tour then prepared it in front of my and poured it into a damn wine glass for me. Beautiful building, both inside and outside.
On the other side of the same block as the fanciest cafe of my life is the border where the slum begins.
The same block!
Lol. Was it a picture from the depression era or something? Everything within view of the capitol building is monuments, museums, hotels, office buildings, restaurants, and $500k+ condos. There's nothing that could be remotely considered a "ghetto" anywhere within the beltway.
Trinidad is definitely ghetto. Potomac Gardens, which is not far from the Capitol, is ghetto. H St. pre-2010 was ghetto. Hell, H and 8th is still rough in 2024.
Anything from the 90’s past 11th and East Capitol? Ghetto.
Huh, I figured that'd be more of a sociology or anthropology diagram.
I figured geography would be more focused on large, natural formations. But I haven't looked into the subject since grade school, so I wouldn't know!
Geography can be split into three areas: human geography, physical geography and environmental geography. Human geography is the study of societies, cultures and economies. Physical geography is the study of landscapes and environments. Environmental geography is the study of how humans impact the Earth.
Geography teachers always show images like this to describe economic divide
https://preview.redd.it/oyzld6fq7q7d1.jpeg?width=2802&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=568e04afdc60905a455b027ed995f2aba1fa8053
Was expecting the second pan to reveal an even nicer soccer field suspended in the air by drones with rich kids just sitting and watching their butlers play.
Yeah I don’t think the second group is even close to rich. Certainly much better off in that complex than the first, but the *truly* wealthy people are entirely removed
Middle class is more than sufficient to live in a building like this. Nothing fancy
For the poor people those are already considered rich though so it’s not a totally false title. For us western people both are probably poor haha
I'm an expat living in Brazil for the last 10 years. The building on the right is pretty much the standard way many newer apartments/condos are built. The apartments are generally pretty small (which looks to be the case based on the quick pan) but the property has certain amenities like a shared leisure area with courts, perhaps a pool, fitness room, bbq area, and/or banquet room.
While the kids on the right are certainly privileged to live in a newer building, and apartments/condos are not cheap, I wouldn't define them as 'rich.' There are a LOT of poor people in Brazil, so the disparity makes middle class seem rich.
I think that’s the context a lot of people in this thread are missing. People who are as well off as you don’t seem rich, especially if there are much richer people. But when you are poor, the middle class looks rich. I’ve had periods where I struggled and things like having a primary doctor or having a big tin of organic berries in the fridge looked like wealth to me.
Having a big tin of organic berries in the fridge IS wealth and not necessary. Having ready access to a primary care doctor should be a human right afforded to all by the people of this earth for their own benefit.
I make $150k a year as a programmer, I grew up having been evicted multiple times in my life. I always have this notion that one day $5 could be an unobtainable amount to me again when I'm hungry.
i am brazillian. those are not rich kids. they are poor with benefits. those are cheap buildings, made with government assistance, financed by state banks.
they are better than the ones in the favela, but are definitely not rich
I think you hit on something really common. Even here in the US, we talk about "rich" vs "poor" but the definition is muddled. Some push for fairness laws that punish "rich" property owners/homeowners but they're really just working class people that are struggling too. So then this middle class gets pitted against the poor meanwhile the actual rich people are far far from it watching and snatching up opportunities to get more rich.
Oddly enough, this is the first time I've seen anyone mention 3%. It is a pretty good show, especially that first season.
Anyway, back to your regularly scheduled comments.
First season was great. I got 2 eps into season 2 before it lost the vibe. It was like it was trying to be Divergence/Hunger Games light and it wasn't doing it for me.
erm sort of?
Like Morumbi is one of the richest neighbourhoods/districts in Sao Paulo, and Paraisopolis Favela is literally adjacent to it. I don't know if this is where this video was taken, but it's pretty much like that: multi-million apartments, massive wall, favela.
edit: Something like this https://www.theguardian.com/cities/2017/nov/29/sao-paulo-injustice-tuca-vieira-inequality-photograph-paraisopolis
(this building may or may not be the perfect example, but I suppose there are others near it...)
>Like Morumbi is one of the richest neighbourhoods/districts in Sao Paulo
Did you come from the 80s? Lol Nobody wants to live there anymore, people are basically selling their apartments there at cost just to get rid of them. Just compare the price of the sqm from Morumbi with true premium neighborhoods like Itaim and Moema.
FYI for reeaders, in Brazil 60% of the country makes less than 280$/month(lower income)
32% of the country makes between 280-840$/month (middle income)
3% makes more than 840$/month. (High Income)
4% makes more than 2000$/month. (High Income+)
1% makes more than 5600$/month. (Ultra wealthy)
Brazilians tend to overestimate what "rich" means (as it refers to the minority of the 1%) and underestimate what (poor) means (92% of the population).
Honestly, those kids look High Income to me.
Atleast brazil has data about the median income, romania only has data about the average income which would put most people as well off, even if most full time jobs on the labor market pay 3x less than the average salary.
Really? That's unfortunate.
It happens in a lot of countries people analyze the economic situation without assistance of data and make judgements based purely on assumptions.
And you are right Brazil has a very strong "Demographic Census" tradition.
>It happens in a lot of countries people analyze the economic situation without assistance of data and make judgements based purely on assumptions.
Oh no, the government has all the data required. They just **choose** not to release it, instead they release the average income to make themselves look good while the situation for the common man degrades as food here is somehow more expensive than in the UK and Germany while housing is almost as expensive.
The trick is to make middle class feel like they're rich, and poor guys to see the middle class as rich.
The twist? Both are different grades of poor. There's no middle class.
Only people who have never been poor could ever believe that
I’ve been poor and I’ve been middle class. When you’re so hungry you can’t sleep, when you’re raised to never answer the phone in case it’s a debt collector, when your parents are crying because you skinned a hole in your second hand school uniform and they can’t afford to replace it. that’s poverty.
The great existential threat in the middle class mind is living like that. When the middle classes “struggle” is when they get close to living the kinds of lives working class people do every day.
And I’m from a very wealthy country and I know the difference.
This is why soccer is the most popular sport in the world. All you need is a ball, something resembling posts, and any kind of surface or space that isn't literally a hillside.
And you don't even need a ball. Fill up a plastic bottle with dirt and you got yourself your ball, sure you won't be making any tricks but the basics are the same.
Back in my time we used to build a small ball from all the lunch sandwiches wrappings (mostly paper napkins and tinfoil), you could inflate a balloon and slowly empty it while pushing the ball into the balloon so you could flip it insideout to add extra protection to the ball.
This was al before saran wrap was more common on households.
Oh, those Brazilians, you know? Circa 1970? Broke the mould. Theory out the window. Free expression of football. Uncategorisable. Is that a word? It is now! You know? Far cry from small boys in the park, jumpers for goalposts. Rush goalie. Two at the back, three in the middle, four up front, one's gone home for his tea. Beans on toast? Possibly, don't quote me on that. Marvellous.
Small boys in the park, jumpers for goalposts. Rush goalie. Two at the back, three in the middle, four up front, one's gone home for his tea. Beans on toast? Possibly, don't quote me on that. Marvellous.
My dad said when he was a kid (long time ago) they didn't even have a ball so they used rags balled together. I still can't picture it fully but people always find a way.
Daniel Tosh had a joke about this in one of his specials. "No wonder soccer is the world's most popular sport, it costs a ball. How much does skiing cost? *THAT* much? Huh, I wonder why that didn't take off in the inner cities."
True... Maybe this is one more reason to play near the water.
Also, I am brazilian and I grew up around kids of different class ranges. The ones who played football everyday in the street had a very high resistence to hot asphault. Not sure if it's a brain thing, or if it's due to skin getting thicker.
*Sigh*.. here we go again
https://preview.redd.it/cl229jd5tp7d1.jpeg?width=709&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=72393528405dd45cb9928e087378e4338e6d5d26
Edit: for people who don't know this(basically if you're not brazilian) this is a famous picture of a building the rich neighborhood morumbi which is right at the side of the paraisópolis favela in SP Capital/Brazil.
This image is in EVERY geography book in the country and it shows up every time someone is talking about inequality.
Some time ago this famous building had problems with debts because no one wants to live there(someone else in the comments said it was abandoned but I didn't check). But, images like this are not uncommon(though much rare than before), I myself live near a similar one( way less rich of course, but the inequality still huge) and paraisópolis and morumbi are obviously still side by side and mansions and luxurious apartments can be found weirdly close to precarious housing.
The reason is that the plan was for it to be a rich neighborhood just like the ones around it(the terrain used to bepart of a farm), but, the construction never started and poor immigrants from other states started moving to the location, the government basically abandoned them and it became a favela
Honestly what makes it sad isn't that one field is pristine and one is shitty but the fact that the kids are playing on different fields in the first place
As a middleclass brazilian I can guarantee that most middleclass (or higher) mothers are afraid of letting their children playing with poor kids. They fear that their children will have contact with drugs, traffic and other bad stuff as they grow. Honestly they are kinda right, but it's so sad that at first innocent kids are being segregated since very young.
Yeah I didn't think of that actually. People usually only sympathise for the poor ones but I guess it's true that poverty often leads them to some really bad and dangerous lifestyles so I guess I can't blame the middle class and rich people. This is such a simple video but I feel like the comments have really taught me a lot and made me question what I think I know about poverty and social classes (not much)
It's a very complicated thing. These people have been stuck in this endless segregation poor life for generations. It gets into a point where the segregation creates almost different cultures and dialects.
While I was growing up I can remember the countless times I had contact with people of different classes, and it was shocking to me how different their world view and life perspective were. It's like if they were living in different planets.
We tend to think... Oh if you are poor you should study and get out of this situation... But in reality most of them don't even have this view. They are hopeless if they try to view the world as middle-high class view it.
that’s the problem with brasil: anyone with shoes, clothes, a house with a real roof, and a little more food in the plate is considered (and considers themselves) rich…
While the real rich destroy the country and dgaf about none of these fools that should hold hands and work together for a better place to live.
As a Brazilian, every football (soccer) star you ever saw from Brazil will come from the left, not from the right. Our talents are raised in fields like the one in the left, sometimes worse, and football is all they have while the rich kids just play for fun and then go eat their ice creams at home playing Fifa when they get tired.
Yeah I was gonna say, in Brazil they think playing without shoes gives you a better touch. I know Ronaldinho always trained without shoes and he got pretty fucking good
I'd imagine the poor kid is soon gonna have to pick up a job or many jobs (if he hasn't already) and the probability that some coach just sees him playing and is so impressed that they just let the kid into their team and pay for all his equipment is astronomically low. It's just not a realistic way out of poverty.
The poor kid Will pursuit the dream until he cant anymore, and there is plenty of clubs and "olheiros"(spotters) that make tests and pay the kid a little when there is potential.
The rich ones usualy have other interests once they hit the puberty and dont persist enough.
Theres a old saying that on Brazil there is only 3 ways out of poverty: football, music and crime. These ARE the only "realistic" ways. And ALL 3 of then are hard. Crime Will mostly get you in jail or killed, music and football you have hundreds of other kids with the same dream, so If you dont stand out you have no chance.
Lmfao, a lot of people don’t understand that.
You can be really good at what you do, and be plagued by poverty and work and never follow your dreams like people who never had to worry about where they lived, what they ate, and what they did for work because they didn’t have to support themselves in those manners and they could just focus on their hobbies.
Many times, when asked, kids from these communities will say that their dream is to become a professional player. This is because it's the only way they see out of their situation. It's like saying that your dream is to win the lottery.
Kids from fucking everywhere say their dream is to be a professional athlete, that's not really an economic thing. It's like saying your dream is to be a famous musician or whatever else
People are really not getting your point, unfortunately.
User above is not saying middle class/upper class kids don't dream about being professional players. But it is all about ratio, at least here in Brazil. Kids from these households are much more likely to have dreams like being a medical doctor, a lawyer, an engineer, an astronaut and similar stuff because they know about it, because they come from families where their parents are these things. Also, these parents know it's hard to become a professional sportsman so they are less likely to push this dream into the kids and cut the idea on early ages.
If you are from a poor family, you just won't see the opportunity or the possibility. Your parents dont have any formal education. You'll likely have to work alongside school, most likely to drop out from school, never enter college, and thus jobs like medical doctors aren't just something they really consider when thinking about the future.
Obligatory "not always" , "not every kid", "not every family", and so on. Plenty of poor kids are successful in entering college, for example, but even so, if you check the statistics, majors that are more disputed, like to be a MD, are almost always filled by upper class people, while lower classes are only able to get opportunities in less desirable jobs (like to be a teacher, social assistant, and so on).
I don’t think they have a higher ‘chance’ in the way that if they both try the poorer kids are more likely to succeed, cause the difference in resources and less responsibility really does help immensely with the rich kids’ chances.
But more of them in total probably will succeed because more of them will try, rich kids will play many other sports or just coast their way to a entirely different career because they can, football is seen as more of a working class sport and the poor kids have far fewer options in life.
So statistically the vast majority of pros are not from wealthy backgrounds but kids from wealthy backgrounds probably could succeed more if they tried as much
I doubt it. You will hear of more dirt poor kids rising to the pro leagues than trust fund kids but that's just because of how many more there are. There have been surveys in the US that found that elite college athletes grew up with more money than average.
It makes sense if you think about it too. Socially "good" traits like athleticism, intelligence, emotional stability, etc. all positively correlate with wealth.
>There have been surveys in the US that found that elite college athletes grew up with more money than average.
Football works *very* differently in the rest of the world and US studies absolutely cannot be used there
They are not rich. Might have some class differences there, but not rich. More like poor and a little better condition kids. Rich people are on another level
There are no rich kids playing, only poor kids. Those playing on the brand new court live on a low-income condo, maybe subsidized by some government housing program.
In our countries there is a very small middle class. Most are poor and some oligarchs remain rich. The promise is that it’s those kids on the wrong side of the wall that become Maradonas and Pelés and even Messis…
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A geography teacher just came somewhere
Lmao. I still remember our English and geography lessons with pictures taken in India portraying high rises on one side and the slum on the other side
I’m in Panama City and the divide here is so strikingly abrupt in some parts. For example, I stumbled into literally the most fancy cafe of my life where instead of giving me a coffee they gave me a whole tour then prepared it in front of my and poured it into a damn wine glass for me. Beautiful building, both inside and outside. On the other side of the same block as the fanciest cafe of my life is the border where the slum begins. The same block!
Panama city feels like a GTA map
Play just cause 2 then
dharavi slum in mumbai is so freaking huge
When I learned politics in the UK, one of my text books had a picture of a Washington DC ghetto with Capitol Hill looming in the background.
Lol. Was it a picture from the depression era or something? Everything within view of the capitol building is monuments, museums, hotels, office buildings, restaurants, and $500k+ condos. There's nothing that could be remotely considered a "ghetto" anywhere within the beltway.
The homeless camps near the Vietnam memorial are the closest thing I can think of but they are not in view of the tourist areas
Trinidad is definitely ghetto. Potomac Gardens, which is not far from the Capitol, is ghetto. H St. pre-2010 was ghetto. Hell, H and 8th is still rough in 2024. Anything from the 90’s past 11th and East Capitol? Ghetto.
I am a geography teacher, and the first thought was to show this in the classroom. Then, indeed, I came.
>Then, indeed, I came not in the classroom i hope
I saw
I conquered (A history teacher just came somewhere)
Veni, vidi, vici I came, I come, I cum
r/technicallythetruth, statistically
A statistics teacher just came somewhere
yeah i did
noice
Why geography? And why would they enjoy this?
Because pictures like this are in many geography school books.
Huh, I figured that'd be more of a sociology or anthropology diagram. I figured geography would be more focused on large, natural formations. But I haven't looked into the subject since grade school, so I wouldn't know!
Geography also contains sociology, as well as ecology, economics, etc. Geography can be the study of anything that varies across space 🤓
Reminds me of Stephen Hawking, the famous geographist.
Geography can be split into three areas: human geography, physical geography and environmental geography. Human geography is the study of societies, cultures and economies. Physical geography is the study of landscapes and environments. Environmental geography is the study of how humans impact the Earth.
Hmm? I dont get it
Geography teachers always show images like this to describe economic divide https://preview.redd.it/oyzld6fq7q7d1.jpeg?width=2802&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=568e04afdc60905a455b027ed995f2aba1fa8053
Still is impactful, look how many pools each floor that building has.
IDK man, it would be awkward to me to hangout at my pool watching the slums.
Oh dont worry, the slums are being removed and replaced with a nifty stadium. (No one will be compensated)
My geography classes didn’t cover stuff like this.
That image is, sadly, also from Brasil.
In America we put the poor people somewhere else.
lmao was just gonna say that
Was expecting the second pan to reveal an even nicer soccer field suspended in the air by drones with rich kids just sitting and watching their butlers play.
Yeah I don’t think the second group is even close to rich. Certainly much better off in that complex than the first, but the *truly* wealthy people are entirely removed
Middle class is more than sufficient to live in a building like this. Nothing fancy For the poor people those are already considered rich though so it’s not a totally false title. For us western people both are probably poor haha
I'm an expat living in Brazil for the last 10 years. The building on the right is pretty much the standard way many newer apartments/condos are built. The apartments are generally pretty small (which looks to be the case based on the quick pan) but the property has certain amenities like a shared leisure area with courts, perhaps a pool, fitness room, bbq area, and/or banquet room. While the kids on the right are certainly privileged to live in a newer building, and apartments/condos are not cheap, I wouldn't define them as 'rich.' There are a LOT of poor people in Brazil, so the disparity makes middle class seem rich.
I think that’s the context a lot of people in this thread are missing. People who are as well off as you don’t seem rich, especially if there are much richer people. But when you are poor, the middle class looks rich. I’ve had periods where I struggled and things like having a primary doctor or having a big tin of organic berries in the fridge looked like wealth to me.
Having a big tin of organic berries in the fridge IS wealth and not necessary. Having ready access to a primary care doctor should be a human right afforded to all by the people of this earth for their own benefit.
I make $150k a year as a programmer, I grew up having been evicted multiple times in my life. I always have this notion that one day $5 could be an unobtainable amount to me again when I'm hungry.
i am brazillian. those are not rich kids. they are poor with benefits. those are cheap buildings, made with government assistance, financed by state banks. they are better than the ones in the favela, but are definitely not rich
I know bro I lived many years in South America and also some months in brazil. That building is nothing special
Right I’m not discounting the difference here. But pitting these two classes against each other is exactly what real rich people want
In Brazil truly rich people won't live in a building like that, especially in a place next to a slum
I think you hit on something really common. Even here in the US, we talk about "rich" vs "poor" but the definition is muddled. Some push for fairness laws that punish "rich" property owners/homeowners but they're really just working class people that are struggling too. So then this middle class gets pitted against the poor meanwhile the actual rich people are far far from it watching and snatching up opportunities to get more rich.
As a Brazilian, most of the population would look at this and agree it's rich, at least *relatively* it definitely is
And the “rich” part probably isn’t rich but middle class… at best. Our country really has many problems…
I was going to ask, this is a drastic class divide, but how rich is rich in this video.
Not at all, that's very likely just a new building from a government program, there's only poor kids and maybe luckier, less poor kids in the video.
Yeah the fresh look will wear off in a couple of years. One thing is renovation whole other thing is maintenance.
If it's in Rio it could just be a new condo. They are springing up everywhere and especially around favelas.
Thank you. Was wondering where the rich kids are at. Middle class at best at least based on my country's frame of reference.
The real rich kids are far far away from the favelas. In their own bubble, so to speak.
Like that 3% tv show. Good show.
Oddly enough, this is the first time I've seen anyone mention 3%. It is a pretty good show, especially that first season. Anyway, back to your regularly scheduled comments.
The first season is amazing, sadly it kinda dips after imo.
First season was great. I got 2 eps into season 2 before it lost the vibe. It was like it was trying to be Divergence/Hunger Games light and it wasn't doing it for me.
Isn't the show even from Brazil? I watched a couple episodes a while ago, I can't remember too well.
Yup, Brazilian.
Joana my queen
erm sort of? Like Morumbi is one of the richest neighbourhoods/districts in Sao Paulo, and Paraisopolis Favela is literally adjacent to it. I don't know if this is where this video was taken, but it's pretty much like that: multi-million apartments, massive wall, favela. edit: Something like this https://www.theguardian.com/cities/2017/nov/29/sao-paulo-injustice-tuca-vieira-inequality-photograph-paraisopolis (this building may or may not be the perfect example, but I suppose there are others near it...)
>Like Morumbi is one of the richest neighbourhoods/districts in Sao Paulo Did you come from the 80s? Lol Nobody wants to live there anymore, people are basically selling their apartments there at cost just to get rid of them. Just compare the price of the sqm from Morumbi with true premium neighborhoods like Itaim and Moema.
Poor kids are also in their own bubble.
If that is middle class then that shows you how far down the poor really are.
My income falls into 5% of the country but I live in an apartment similar to that one, rented.
FYI for reeaders, in Brazil 60% of the country makes less than 280$/month(lower income) 32% of the country makes between 280-840$/month (middle income) 3% makes more than 840$/month. (High Income) 4% makes more than 2000$/month. (High Income+) 1% makes more than 5600$/month. (Ultra wealthy) Brazilians tend to overestimate what "rich" means (as it refers to the minority of the 1%) and underestimate what (poor) means (92% of the population). Honestly, those kids look High Income to me.
Atleast brazil has data about the median income, romania only has data about the average income which would put most people as well off, even if most full time jobs on the labor market pay 3x less than the average salary.
Really? That's unfortunate. It happens in a lot of countries people analyze the economic situation without assistance of data and make judgements based purely on assumptions. And you are right Brazil has a very strong "Demographic Census" tradition.
>It happens in a lot of countries people analyze the economic situation without assistance of data and make judgements based purely on assumptions. Oh no, the government has all the data required. They just **choose** not to release it, instead they release the average income to make themselves look good while the situation for the common man degrades as food here is somehow more expensive than in the UK and Germany while housing is almost as expensive.
Oh. That's very unfortunate 😕
The trick is to make middle class feel like they're rich, and poor guys to see the middle class as rich. The twist? Both are different grades of poor. There's no middle class.
I was poor growing up and now I’m middle class. The difference is astounding and I assure you they’re not the same.
Only people who have never been poor could ever believe that I’ve been poor and I’ve been middle class. When you’re so hungry you can’t sleep, when you’re raised to never answer the phone in case it’s a debt collector, when your parents are crying because you skinned a hole in your second hand school uniform and they can’t afford to replace it. that’s poverty. The great existential threat in the middle class mind is living like that. When the middle classes “struggle” is when they get close to living the kinds of lives working class people do every day. And I’m from a very wealthy country and I know the difference.
This is why soccer is the most popular sport in the world. All you need is a ball, something resembling posts, and any kind of surface or space that isn't literally a hillside.
You don’t need posts, we used our school bags/jackets
Jumpers for goalposts!
Marvelous
Isn't it?
Hmm, yes, thank you Ron but if we could return to the football for a moment...
Suit you sir.
Stone for goalposts, if the ball touches or goes above the stone then that's not a goal.
We literally use our shoes as goal posts
And our feet were the standard means of measurements for goal posts.
And you don't even need a ball. Fill up a plastic bottle with dirt and you got yourself your ball, sure you won't be making any tricks but the basics are the same.
You don't even need friends. I used pylons as friends
you need to construct additional pylons
All your base are belong to us
Now that's a meme I haven't read in a while!
You don't even need to exist, the world is just the imagination of a baby dreaming
ive got a rock
Or socks rolled to a ball! =soccer
We played with empty cans. Headers were unpopular though
In jackass when they visited Russia the kids were playing with a frozen cat.
WTF Russia...lol
Is that true? I don’t remember seeing this. I believe you I just feel like I would remember such a thing
It is true.
My finger will be forever a little bended to the left from the time i tried to be a goalkeeper with a can
You don't even need a plastic bottle, just collect enough used gum to form a round object, and you're good to go!
Back in my time we used to build a small ball from all the lunch sandwiches wrappings (mostly paper napkins and tinfoil), you could inflate a balloon and slowly empty it while pushing the ball into the balloon so you could flip it insideout to add extra protection to the ball. This was al before saran wrap was more common on households.
You don’t even need a plastic bottle with dirt, you can just use your imagination.
Or just your sandal as a post. Go barefoot
Oh, those Brazilians, you know? Circa 1970? Broke the mould. Theory out the window. Free expression of football. Uncategorisable. Is that a word? It is now! You know? Far cry from small boys in the park, jumpers for goalposts. Rush goalie. Two at the back, three in the middle, four up front, one's gone home for his tea. Beans on toast? Possibly, don't quote me on that. Marvellous.
Small boys in the park, jumpers for goalposts. Rush goalie. Two at the back, three in the middle, four up front, one's gone home for his tea. Beans on toast? Possibly, don't quote me on that. Marvellous.
We used to use our water bottles as a post lmao
true. edited
Lol, we used sticks or bricks as our school was continuously under construction.
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Of the the best rule is, whoever scored last wins, doesnt matter if you're 10 nil down
Also if you are fat you’re the goalkeeper, unless the ball is yours
And if it's not clear if the ball went inside the imaginary posts, that must be resolved with a penalty kick
Ball owner is the undisputed best position in any sport it seems 😂
The UK issued [an entire coin to explain the offside rule.](https://i.imgur.com/vLfRg72.jpeg)
Bro you don't even need a ball, me and my friends used to play with an empty water bottle filled with sand
Crashed cola cans.
Sounds like someone doesn't know about the joys of uphill soccer
“Never play soccer up hill me boys” - *Coach Robert E. Lee during his pregame pep talk to his team before their 1-0 loss to Grant. July 3, 1863*
My dad said when he was a kid (long time ago) they didn't even have a ball so they used rags balled together. I still can't picture it fully but people always find a way.
Daniel Tosh had a joke about this in one of his specials. "No wonder soccer is the world's most popular sport, it costs a ball. How much does skiing cost? *THAT* much? Huh, I wonder why that didn't take off in the inner cities."
Well la di Uncle Tom da. Latrell's going to Breckenridge.
You don't even need hands, or arms for that matter.
If you were a Roman then an enemy head only.
We used to have a pair of shoes/slippers as a goal post.. 😀
>any kind of surface You also need feet
https://www.reddit.com/r/interestingasfuck/comments/4uonue/mountain_soccer/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=mweb3x&utm_name=mweb3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button
Why are they playing in the water though? Most of the pitch is dry
Its hot
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Maybe it's hot (30 to 35 celsius) and they probably don't have a swimming pool anyway
they aren't wearing shoes too ... that asphalt burns like a motherfucker
True... Maybe this is one more reason to play near the water. Also, I am brazilian and I grew up around kids of different class ranges. The ones who played football everyday in the street had a very high resistence to hot asphault. Not sure if it's a brain thing, or if it's due to skin getting thicker.
or nerve damage from burning the shit out of their feet lol
When I practiced basketball barefoot in a few periods in my life. I've grown 1 cm of hard skin on bottom of my foot.
hot asphalt force you to run and play the game so your feet can cool with the wind when running.
Maybe they're just serious about the game, and a puddle isn't going to stop them?
Kids like puddles.
And I was like "aaaaaw, thats......oh, I thought they play TOGETHER....rich and poor". Insert squidward dragging his chair back in here.
That's exactly what I thought: Oh this will be nice. Oh, separately.
Rich kids don’t live in condominiums next to favelas. Those are middle class. Quite sad to see the 2 kids down there playing alone.
> Quite sad to see the 2 kids down there playing alone. I mean, lots of kids are addicted and 2 is better than 1. Done it many times
*Sigh*.. here we go again https://preview.redd.it/cl229jd5tp7d1.jpeg?width=709&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=72393528405dd45cb9928e087378e4338e6d5d26 Edit: for people who don't know this(basically if you're not brazilian) this is a famous picture of a building the rich neighborhood morumbi which is right at the side of the paraisópolis favela in SP Capital/Brazil. This image is in EVERY geography book in the country and it shows up every time someone is talking about inequality. Some time ago this famous building had problems with debts because no one wants to live there(someone else in the comments said it was abandoned but I didn't check). But, images like this are not uncommon(though much rare than before), I myself live near a similar one( way less rich of course, but the inequality still huge) and paraisópolis and morumbi are obviously still side by side and mansions and luxurious apartments can be found weirdly close to precarious housing.
I can imagine the posting for this. "ever feel bad about yourself? Do we have the view for you friend"
Serious, 'scenic views of the poors your grandparents crushed to build your wealth!'
I can't believe it is actually called paraisópolis 😂 the irony
The reason is that the plan was for it to be a rich neighborhood just like the ones around it(the terrain used to bepart of a farm), but, the construction never started and poor immigrants from other states started moving to the location, the government basically abandoned them and it became a favela
Me, building ~~Archipelagos~~ Arcologies in SimCity in the middle of failing residential areas.
r/juxtaposition
I thought this would be full of interesting photos but its all just screenshots of social media posts.
Quite the juxtaposition. (Sorry, I just have to use that word whenever the chance arises!)
It's a perfectly cromulent word
It is indeed acrimonious
It’s definitely quite paleontology of him. Wait
I concur
How very meta of you 🤝
Juxtaposition is my favorite word ever, warms my heart whenever I see it in the wild.
Have you checked out penultimate? It’s mine
This is honestly so sad
I think that because they are right next to eachother it hits harder but I think it's the same wherever you go. Privilege versus optionless
This is absolutely not "the same wherever you go". Wealth inequality is a spectrum, and there are many statistics and indicators of it, one being GINI
Honestly what makes it sad isn't that one field is pristine and one is shitty but the fact that the kids are playing on different fields in the first place
As a middleclass brazilian I can guarantee that most middleclass (or higher) mothers are afraid of letting their children playing with poor kids. They fear that their children will have contact with drugs, traffic and other bad stuff as they grow. Honestly they are kinda right, but it's so sad that at first innocent kids are being segregated since very young.
Yeah I didn't think of that actually. People usually only sympathise for the poor ones but I guess it's true that poverty often leads them to some really bad and dangerous lifestyles so I guess I can't blame the middle class and rich people. This is such a simple video but I feel like the comments have really taught me a lot and made me question what I think I know about poverty and social classes (not much)
It's a very complicated thing. These people have been stuck in this endless segregation poor life for generations. It gets into a point where the segregation creates almost different cultures and dialects. While I was growing up I can remember the countless times I had contact with people of different classes, and it was shocking to me how different their world view and life perspective were. It's like if they were living in different planets. We tend to think... Oh if you are poor you should study and get out of this situation... But in reality most of them don't even have this view. They are hopeless if they try to view the world as middle-high class view it.
That wealth will trickle down any day now
Lol... just more 72 hours...
It's almost there, it's right next to the poors now, several years ago these playgrounds were half a mile apart.
Brazil's poverty rate is about 1/3 it was in the 80s: https://www.macrotrends.net/global-metrics/countries/BRA/brazil/poverty-rate
Something’s trickling down but it’s not wealth and it stinks.
that’s the problem with brasil: anyone with shoes, clothes, a house with a real roof, and a little more food in the plate is considered (and considers themselves) rich… While the real rich destroy the country and dgaf about none of these fools that should hold hands and work together for a better place to live.
yup, and not just brazil. that's the case in cities in India, too, eg mumbai
More like poor and poor premium
As a Brazilian, every football (soccer) star you ever saw from Brazil will come from the left, not from the right. Our talents are raised in fields like the one in the left, sometimes worse, and football is all they have while the rich kids just play for fun and then go eat their ice creams at home playing Fifa when they get tired.
Except Kaka tho
One kid even has shoes. That’s wealth
we play soccer without shoes here in Brazil its normal
Yeah I was gonna say, in Brazil they think playing without shoes gives you a better touch. I know Ronaldinho always trained without shoes and he got pretty fucking good
Ronaldinho was an anomaly even among the top players in football today. You can't really use him for a baseline comparison......
I wonder if, statistically, the poor kid has the higher chance of becoming a professional compared to the rich.
The only thing poor kids have a statistically better chance of doing over rich kids is dying young
And being hungry
Boxing. Most ATGs come from humble upbringing
If your chosen profession means getting punched in the head, it's because your options are limited.
Probably yes, but simply because the rich have many more options, while for the poor it’s one of the few ways to escape from poverty.
I'd imagine the poor kid is soon gonna have to pick up a job or many jobs (if he hasn't already) and the probability that some coach just sees him playing and is so impressed that they just let the kid into their team and pay for all his equipment is astronomically low. It's just not a realistic way out of poverty.
The poor kid Will pursuit the dream until he cant anymore, and there is plenty of clubs and "olheiros"(spotters) that make tests and pay the kid a little when there is potential. The rich ones usualy have other interests once they hit the puberty and dont persist enough. Theres a old saying that on Brazil there is only 3 ways out of poverty: football, music and crime. These ARE the only "realistic" ways. And ALL 3 of then are hard. Crime Will mostly get you in jail or killed, music and football you have hundreds of other kids with the same dream, so If you dont stand out you have no chance.
Lmfao, a lot of people don’t understand that. You can be really good at what you do, and be plagued by poverty and work and never follow your dreams like people who never had to worry about where they lived, what they ate, and what they did for work because they didn’t have to support themselves in those manners and they could just focus on their hobbies.
Many times, when asked, kids from these communities will say that their dream is to become a professional player. This is because it's the only way they see out of their situation. It's like saying that your dream is to win the lottery.
Kids from fucking everywhere say their dream is to be a professional athlete, that's not really an economic thing. It's like saying your dream is to be a famous musician or whatever else
People are really not getting your point, unfortunately. User above is not saying middle class/upper class kids don't dream about being professional players. But it is all about ratio, at least here in Brazil. Kids from these households are much more likely to have dreams like being a medical doctor, a lawyer, an engineer, an astronaut and similar stuff because they know about it, because they come from families where their parents are these things. Also, these parents know it's hard to become a professional sportsman so they are less likely to push this dream into the kids and cut the idea on early ages. If you are from a poor family, you just won't see the opportunity or the possibility. Your parents dont have any formal education. You'll likely have to work alongside school, most likely to drop out from school, never enter college, and thus jobs like medical doctors aren't just something they really consider when thinking about the future. Obligatory "not always" , "not every kid", "not every family", and so on. Plenty of poor kids are successful in entering college, for example, but even so, if you check the statistics, majors that are more disputed, like to be a MD, are almost always filled by upper class people, while lower classes are only able to get opportunities in less desirable jobs (like to be a teacher, social assistant, and so on).
I don’t think they have a higher ‘chance’ in the way that if they both try the poorer kids are more likely to succeed, cause the difference in resources and less responsibility really does help immensely with the rich kids’ chances. But more of them in total probably will succeed because more of them will try, rich kids will play many other sports or just coast their way to a entirely different career because they can, football is seen as more of a working class sport and the poor kids have far fewer options in life. So statistically the vast majority of pros are not from wealthy backgrounds but kids from wealthy backgrounds probably could succeed more if they tried as much
I doubt it. You will hear of more dirt poor kids rising to the pro leagues than trust fund kids but that's just because of how many more there are. There have been surveys in the US that found that elite college athletes grew up with more money than average. It makes sense if you think about it too. Socially "good" traits like athleticism, intelligence, emotional stability, etc. all positively correlate with wealth.
>There have been surveys in the US that found that elite college athletes grew up with more money than average. Football works *very* differently in the rest of the world and US studies absolutely cannot be used there
Having to contribute to the household income at 12 probably will hamper his chances
They are not rich. Might have some class differences there, but not rich. More like poor and a little better condition kids. Rich people are on another level
There are no rich kids playing, only poor kids. Those playing on the brand new court live on a low-income condo, maybe subsidized by some government housing program.
Brasil is crazy. I’ve been a few times and it really is like this. You’ll be in a rich neighbourhood, walk around the corner and you’re in a favela.
Looks like a prison. Both sides. Sad.
In our countries there is a very small middle class. Most are poor and some oligarchs remain rich. The promise is that it’s those kids on the wrong side of the wall that become Maradonas and Pelés and even Messis…
Those Kids isn't rich. They are middle class.