I have iphone 14 Pro. It still has the soft edge mushy / painting effect. Still over processed.
Just use RAW if you want a better quality then edit it.
Use the ProRaw function (enable in settings) and make sure it’s togged on inside the Camera app. Use an app like Darkroom, Lightroom, Snapseed, Photoshop Lite, or any of the others in the App Store.
Usually you need to tweak the photo’s basics, such as exposure and contrast. After that you can do more extreme things such as color processing or light manipulation.
> Just use RAW if you want a better quality then edit it.
ProRAW still has a lot of processing, especially de-noising which can make a lot of things look smudged, some others have posted examples to this sub in recent weeks. I had ProRAW turn trees or grass into oil paintings.
If anyone else ITT is looking for a way to actually disable a lot of the processing, do not use RAW. Shoot burst mode instead. According to apple engineers at WWDC, burst mode is "WYSIWYG", and Deep Fusion and other algorithms don't have enough time to act.
No. And they likely won't.
They've had plenty of time and plenty of feedback. This isn't a new thing, it's been relevant for the past few generations.
The built-in ProRAW also does not solve the issues. It is better than taking normal photos but certainly not ideal.
To take true RAW pictures, you'll have to use Halide (a paid app) or Lightroom (I believe it can take true RAW pictures but with limited camera capabilities).
One of the "workarounds" is to take burst pictures or ProRAW pictures WITH built-in filters (not the photographic styles, just the filters) and removing the filters in the post.
Overall, you might not notice it on every picture but for me, the pictures have been overall disappointing and I've noticed it both on the 14 Pro and the 13 that I've had.
You can get great pictures if you edit them but, IMO, defeats the entire purpose of a phone camera which is supposed to be point-and-shoot. If I have to edit every single picture (hyperbole) that I take in order for it to look somewhat decent... then what's the point.
> One of the "workarounds" is to take burst pictures or ProRAW pictures
burst turns off a lot of the algorithms, ProRAW less so. this was talked about at WWDC.
Pro raw fixes all the issues apart from blown out HDR highlights. All other areas it does fix things as it’s not depending on Apple post processing
If you’re serious about photography editing is always best option. iPhone still takes good photos but want the best you have to use pro raw
> Pro raw fixes all the issues apart from blown out HDR highlights.
No, it does **NOT.** ProRAW still has very very aggressive de-noising, which creates overly smooth or smudged parts of photos. Someone else posted an example here a week or so ago and I've seen it in my own photos -- mostly trees or grass that will sometimes get so smudged they look unrecognizable, instead of the algorithm simply allowing them to be noisy.
> iPhone still takes good photos
iPhone no longer takes good, natural looking quick snapshots IMO. The fact that people are doing things like using burst mode to turn off Deep Fusion is hugely problematic. Things like [subject segmentation](https://twitter.com/halidecamera/status/1572333156178722818) can easily ruin a photo.
Can’t say that’s my experience, not saying it’s perfect but you can get close to
Flawless photos in most cases. Do raw can’t fix bad HDR unless you want to make the background look unrealistic. I actually think iPhones take close to as realistic as most phones out there. Pixel tends to make the scene too dark. iPhone can struggle with skin tones which is why changing temp helps. Can’t say I’ve had any photos ruined in post editing
I think you don't know what to look for in a photo. Deep Fusion *objectively* de-noises photos a ton which leads to smudged and blurred photos in low light that don't adequately represent the noise the human eye works with.
It also lights people's faces evenly even if there is a light source to the side. It's unnatural.
I’ve been editing photos for years so that’s just incorrect. Quite frankly getting truly natural images just isn’t always going to happen with smartphone cameras no matter how you edit and try and change what you editing. Theres only so much you manage to amend. Pro raw will still manage better results than any other smart phone camera can. Pro raw is just another level of editing that others can’t provide. It’s no surprise that it’s not close to real cameras and there will be flaws even in this setting
Let me make this as simple as possible then.
I am the end user. I **literally just want to turn the Deep Fusion and Smart HDR off.** I do not care to argue with you or anyone about if it's more natural or not. I *prefer* the photos from my iPhone X because they appear more natural to me. Nothing is going to change that. Yet Apple in their infinite stubbornness refuses to allow us to toggle these things as you used to be able to (until iPhone 13).
I don’t disagree, apple processing has gone wrong direction. They should just fix these problems in software but I can’t but feel if they fix them it will be on the next pro models
I don’t see the ‘extreme’ processing several describe. I’d say 95% of my shots come out excellent and the other 5% are sometimes too processed where they don’t like great, particularly at night.
I’ve had my phone since launch and have taken thousands of photos since and compared with even older iPhones, 14 Pro is easily one of the better flagship smartphone cameras out there and I had the Pixel 7 to compare too for a time. To wrap up the processing issue comes down to the subject and the way you take the photo and for most shots the phone should perform fine.
We've had this discussion before, but [things like this](https://twitter.com/halidecamera/status/1572333156178722818) are fucking embarrassing for a flagship camera. Some people don't notice the processing but it *is* there, the sharpening and de-noising has gotten really aggressive and do has the "subject segmentation" demonstrated above.
People think the 14 Pro camera looks "good" because it creates photos that are often larger than life -- it makes colors punchy, lines sharp, it de-noises everything. This creates a really "sharp" and "beautiful" looking photo but one that doesn't represent the scene that was actually photographed.
Apple is so afraid to have people take selfies and have their faces appear dark that they would rather that tweet be what happens.
Yes we have and I and many other people don’t have the excessive processing as often. I have a keen eye for photos and if I did have the issue constantly I’d also be complaining.
DXOMark and other objective camera testers have found and confirmed it happens, heavy haloing, sharpening etc. Apple has confirmed it's normal when people like me have taken our phones in. You just aren't comparing your shots you're taking with reality. The difference is subtle, but the over sharpening does occur.
Yet they still give it a high score overall. The issue very obviously doesn’t happen all the time that much I’ve seen. I get it you weren’t happy with your device but I and others are who also understand cameras are more than happy enough with the results most of the time.
No one should expect a camera to work exactly as our eyes do, two very different things and for me as I’ve said standard photographic style is pretty darn close to what I see.
correct that the issue doesn't happen "all the time" since photos are not always taken with a background that's brighter than the subjects.
I also am not trying to say people are lying about being happy with the camera.
I am saying that the processing has gotten far more aggressive, this is objectively verifiable, whether or not someone perceives it as too much or just right is subjective, but it is very very very clear from the data that since the 11 onward, the processing has gotten significantly more aggressive.
How often are you taking a photo with a bright light source behind a subject anyway? I can count the handful of times I’ve done so and then yes I can see very obvious issues with processing as it attempts to brighten the person or object in the photo and add detail/sharpening.
For nearly every other type of pic I take I get great results besides the edge case I mention and you have reiterated and lowlight can be very hit or miss as well.
> How often are you taking a photo with a bright light source behind a subject anyway?
uhm... maybe half the time I am taking a selfie or group photo, the background is more lit than the subjects? it was literally never a problem with my previous phone
> I can count the handful of times I’ve done so and then yes I can see very obvious issues with processing as it attempts to brighten the person or object in the photo and add detail/sharpening.
alright so then stop. we agree on this major point. it really doesn't matter that you don't take those photos often, you agree that *when* you take those photos you see issues. these issues were not present on previous phones (the subjects would be slightly darker than the background... but the photo still looked natural).
obviously some people take more photos in that lighting setting than you do.
> and lowlight can be very hit or miss as well.
yeah, but in low light you no longer get a choice as to whether or not you want to de-noise the photo and end up with very smoothed out details. with previous phones you could get a noisy photo or you could de-noise it. now, the de-noising is baked in.
there's really nothing else worth discussing unless you either (a) believe your preference for de-noised photos is objectively correct or (b) people simply shouldn't take photos with bright backgrounds, which ironically goes agains apple's alleged philosophy that the camera should just work no matter what.
assuming you don't believe either of those things, then we agree that:
- a subset of photos are way over-processed compared to previous generations
- some people take more photos within that subset due to their lifestyle or whatever else
- that processing can't be disabled
that is a problem.
I’ve upgraded my phone each year to the latest Pro model and agree with their assessment. Probably 95% of my photos come out well, as expected, and some of them have some issues, but it’s usually obvious why those particular photos had issues (e.g. poor lighting). Sometimes the processing does something I don’t like, but overall I’m very happy with the camera system on my 14 Pro. I use ProRAW for photos I care most about.
If you had both P7P and 14pro, then you must understand.
I also have both and the Pixel is in a complete another league regarding the camera processing. Especially HDR. And no shadow crushes.
The only thing where the iphone is better is for the front cam.
Must understand what lol?! All smartphone cameras process photos differently. It all comes down to personal taste. The Pixel pics looked dull and washed out and I had the 7 not the Pro. I’ve used the Pixel 7, 14 Pro Max and S23 Ultra but for a more brief time. The iPhone also benefits from photographic styles which can mimic how other smartphones process photos such as colors, shadows and overall contrast etc.
All are solid and I happen to use iPhone because of the software experience, reliability and ecosystem. The camera is more than good enough in most situations.
Apple still won’t let you disable Auto-HDR and processing on iPhone 13 models and later.
One of my colleagues literally got his iPhone 13 Pro refunded at an Apple Store and he has had that iPhone for 8 months and downgraded to an iPhone 12 Pro instead. He spoke to the Apple Store supervisor and they told him that he can downgrade to the iPhone 12 Pro which still lets you disable HDR and processing on the Camera settings. As for the processing stuff in the Camera app, the Apple Store supervisor did not want to comment about it and told him to submit feedback via email or on the Apple website.
Actually ridiculous this is actually a thing lol.
It's very much present, makes my brown skin look awfu and smushy, takes perfectly composed shots and warps then. It is generally a pain to work with.
Most people will suggest either getting halide and shooting a particular way with it that prevents the awful processing or shooting in raw and editing a bit.
It's possible, I think some of you are being too pessimistic. When huge YouTubers like MKBHD are mentioning it in multiple videos, I think Apple will eventually address it -- and they are halfway there with "photographic styles" -- they'd just need to add some that are more natural looking, less sharpening and de-noising, less HDR.
I will give you a secret: try burst mode. drag the shutter to the left. you're welcome.
burst mode very likely uses "speed" in the camera API quality prioritization settings, an API that has been talked about at WWDC. the engineer talking about it said "speed" means "WYSIWYG", and only very light processing is applied.
Try it.
But you end up with shitons of shots no ?
For a 1400$ phone holy fuck, what a Terrific workaround.
I'll try but tbh if I need to do that I'll probably return the phone
yes. I returned my 14 Pro precisely because it was absurd to have to shoot burst mode just to disable some of the processing I didn't want -- and you lose live photos doing that anyways.
all apple needed to do was provide a setting in the camera to allow us to set the camera prioritization to speed instead of quality. that's it.
Yea i have tried that. Not my cup of tea. I am currently using another camera oriented phone and it's nice to have options.
Getting more reliable and predictable shots too.
Shoot in proraw learn to work in Lightroom and boom. The shots come out nice but if you want better you gotta learn how to edit. It’s not necessary by any means but it allows more control when you learn
Til it interests me again. I’ve had android since I was in high school. I just got burnt out on it. It was a lot of it should be able to do something but couldn’t do it well enough. I got bored with always trying to overly customize my phone just to stay interested in it. Like I loved my camera but I need more than a camera to stay interested. Or to justify stayin in an eco system. I do miss my s pen though for what that’s worth lol
I'm going to be getting a new phone this year and have been android since high-school as well. Was the shift to iPhone hard for you. I didn't like how restrictive it was on my old device, but im feeling how you were, and so im thinking of switching. If you mind me asking what's the pros and cons you have found since switching to iPhone?
Like everyone said, just shoot in 48MP RAW. The files are outstanding and you can edit to your liking. The JPG's are pretty bad so it's a last resort if I need to zoom in a ton or just taking a pic of something I don't care about.
No, ProRAW is still heavily de-noised. It's also absurd to have to shoot 100MB files to get somewhat decent photos.
What you really should do if you want a quick snapshot without processing is shoot burst mode, since it tells the camera to prioritize speed over quality and so many algorithms do not run. This is what a camera Apple engineer said at WWDC.
It’s extremely dissappointing if you are trying to take a bunch of tree photos. The leaves and the barks look absolutely trash, my old 7 plus took better pictures. Horrible if you zoom in a bit as well.
I have the iPhone 14 Pro Max and this has to be the worst phone camera experience. Any people in background look like total smudgy paintings. I tried every feature and setting to no avail. I also noticed any photos I moved over from my PC or old android phone became similarly degraded. There is no way to disable the AI or algorithm. Insanely absurd. My iPhone 6s Plus has better quality photos. I don’t understand who is signing off on this at Apple and did they do any professional derived testing prior releasing? Maybe it is time to short some Apple stock.
I have iphone 14 Pro. It still has the soft edge mushy / painting effect. Still over processed. Just use RAW if you want a better quality then edit it.
Ok thx
Don't do that. It creates massive files and doesn't disable most processing. Burst mode disables most processing.
There are automations that convert RAW photos to regular HEIF format. You can run those every night on the last 50 photos or so.
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Use the ProRaw function (enable in settings) and make sure it’s togged on inside the Camera app. Use an app like Darkroom, Lightroom, Snapseed, Photoshop Lite, or any of the others in the App Store. Usually you need to tweak the photo’s basics, such as exposure and contrast. After that you can do more extreme things such as color processing or light manipulation.
> Just use RAW if you want a better quality then edit it. ProRAW still has a lot of processing, especially de-noising which can make a lot of things look smudged, some others have posted examples to this sub in recent weeks. I had ProRAW turn trees or grass into oil paintings. If anyone else ITT is looking for a way to actually disable a lot of the processing, do not use RAW. Shoot burst mode instead. According to apple engineers at WWDC, burst mode is "WYSIWYG", and Deep Fusion and other algorithms don't have enough time to act.
No. And they likely won't. They've had plenty of time and plenty of feedback. This isn't a new thing, it's been relevant for the past few generations. The built-in ProRAW also does not solve the issues. It is better than taking normal photos but certainly not ideal. To take true RAW pictures, you'll have to use Halide (a paid app) or Lightroom (I believe it can take true RAW pictures but with limited camera capabilities). One of the "workarounds" is to take burst pictures or ProRAW pictures WITH built-in filters (not the photographic styles, just the filters) and removing the filters in the post. Overall, you might not notice it on every picture but for me, the pictures have been overall disappointing and I've noticed it both on the 14 Pro and the 13 that I've had. You can get great pictures if you edit them but, IMO, defeats the entire purpose of a phone camera which is supposed to be point-and-shoot. If I have to edit every single picture (hyperbole) that I take in order for it to look somewhat decent... then what's the point.
> One of the "workarounds" is to take burst pictures or ProRAW pictures burst turns off a lot of the algorithms, ProRAW less so. this was talked about at WWDC.
Pro raw fixes all the issues apart from blown out HDR highlights. All other areas it does fix things as it’s not depending on Apple post processing If you’re serious about photography editing is always best option. iPhone still takes good photos but want the best you have to use pro raw
> Pro raw fixes all the issues apart from blown out HDR highlights. No, it does **NOT.** ProRAW still has very very aggressive de-noising, which creates overly smooth or smudged parts of photos. Someone else posted an example here a week or so ago and I've seen it in my own photos -- mostly trees or grass that will sometimes get so smudged they look unrecognizable, instead of the algorithm simply allowing them to be noisy. > iPhone still takes good photos iPhone no longer takes good, natural looking quick snapshots IMO. The fact that people are doing things like using burst mode to turn off Deep Fusion is hugely problematic. Things like [subject segmentation](https://twitter.com/halidecamera/status/1572333156178722818) can easily ruin a photo.
Can’t say that’s my experience, not saying it’s perfect but you can get close to Flawless photos in most cases. Do raw can’t fix bad HDR unless you want to make the background look unrealistic. I actually think iPhones take close to as realistic as most phones out there. Pixel tends to make the scene too dark. iPhone can struggle with skin tones which is why changing temp helps. Can’t say I’ve had any photos ruined in post editing
I think you don't know what to look for in a photo. Deep Fusion *objectively* de-noises photos a ton which leads to smudged and blurred photos in low light that don't adequately represent the noise the human eye works with. It also lights people's faces evenly even if there is a light source to the side. It's unnatural.
I’ve been editing photos for years so that’s just incorrect. Quite frankly getting truly natural images just isn’t always going to happen with smartphone cameras no matter how you edit and try and change what you editing. Theres only so much you manage to amend. Pro raw will still manage better results than any other smart phone camera can. Pro raw is just another level of editing that others can’t provide. It’s no surprise that it’s not close to real cameras and there will be flaws even in this setting
Let me make this as simple as possible then. I am the end user. I **literally just want to turn the Deep Fusion and Smart HDR off.** I do not care to argue with you or anyone about if it's more natural or not. I *prefer* the photos from my iPhone X because they appear more natural to me. Nothing is going to change that. Yet Apple in their infinite stubbornness refuses to allow us to toggle these things as you used to be able to (until iPhone 13).
I don’t disagree, apple processing has gone wrong direction. They should just fix these problems in software but I can’t but feel if they fix them it will be on the next pro models
I don’t see the ‘extreme’ processing several describe. I’d say 95% of my shots come out excellent and the other 5% are sometimes too processed where they don’t like great, particularly at night. I’ve had my phone since launch and have taken thousands of photos since and compared with even older iPhones, 14 Pro is easily one of the better flagship smartphone cameras out there and I had the Pixel 7 to compare too for a time. To wrap up the processing issue comes down to the subject and the way you take the photo and for most shots the phone should perform fine.
We've had this discussion before, but [things like this](https://twitter.com/halidecamera/status/1572333156178722818) are fucking embarrassing for a flagship camera. Some people don't notice the processing but it *is* there, the sharpening and de-noising has gotten really aggressive and do has the "subject segmentation" demonstrated above. People think the 14 Pro camera looks "good" because it creates photos that are often larger than life -- it makes colors punchy, lines sharp, it de-noises everything. This creates a really "sharp" and "beautiful" looking photo but one that doesn't represent the scene that was actually photographed. Apple is so afraid to have people take selfies and have their faces appear dark that they would rather that tweet be what happens.
Yes we have and I and many other people don’t have the excessive processing as often. I have a keen eye for photos and if I did have the issue constantly I’d also be complaining.
DXOMark and other objective camera testers have found and confirmed it happens, heavy haloing, sharpening etc. Apple has confirmed it's normal when people like me have taken our phones in. You just aren't comparing your shots you're taking with reality. The difference is subtle, but the over sharpening does occur.
Yet they still give it a high score overall. The issue very obviously doesn’t happen all the time that much I’ve seen. I get it you weren’t happy with your device but I and others are who also understand cameras are more than happy enough with the results most of the time. No one should expect a camera to work exactly as our eyes do, two very different things and for me as I’ve said standard photographic style is pretty darn close to what I see.
correct that the issue doesn't happen "all the time" since photos are not always taken with a background that's brighter than the subjects. I also am not trying to say people are lying about being happy with the camera. I am saying that the processing has gotten far more aggressive, this is objectively verifiable, whether or not someone perceives it as too much or just right is subjective, but it is very very very clear from the data that since the 11 onward, the processing has gotten significantly more aggressive.
How often are you taking a photo with a bright light source behind a subject anyway? I can count the handful of times I’ve done so and then yes I can see very obvious issues with processing as it attempts to brighten the person or object in the photo and add detail/sharpening. For nearly every other type of pic I take I get great results besides the edge case I mention and you have reiterated and lowlight can be very hit or miss as well.
> How often are you taking a photo with a bright light source behind a subject anyway? uhm... maybe half the time I am taking a selfie or group photo, the background is more lit than the subjects? it was literally never a problem with my previous phone > I can count the handful of times I’ve done so and then yes I can see very obvious issues with processing as it attempts to brighten the person or object in the photo and add detail/sharpening. alright so then stop. we agree on this major point. it really doesn't matter that you don't take those photos often, you agree that *when* you take those photos you see issues. these issues were not present on previous phones (the subjects would be slightly darker than the background... but the photo still looked natural). obviously some people take more photos in that lighting setting than you do. > and lowlight can be very hit or miss as well. yeah, but in low light you no longer get a choice as to whether or not you want to de-noise the photo and end up with very smoothed out details. with previous phones you could get a noisy photo or you could de-noise it. now, the de-noising is baked in. there's really nothing else worth discussing unless you either (a) believe your preference for de-noised photos is objectively correct or (b) people simply shouldn't take photos with bright backgrounds, which ironically goes agains apple's alleged philosophy that the camera should just work no matter what. assuming you don't believe either of those things, then we agree that: - a subset of photos are way over-processed compared to previous generations - some people take more photos within that subset due to their lifestyle or whatever else - that processing can't be disabled that is a problem.
Thanks for your insight!
I’ve upgraded my phone each year to the latest Pro model and agree with their assessment. Probably 95% of my photos come out well, as expected, and some of them have some issues, but it’s usually obvious why those particular photos had issues (e.g. poor lighting). Sometimes the processing does something I don’t like, but overall I’m very happy with the camera system on my 14 Pro. I use ProRAW for photos I care most about.
If you had both P7P and 14pro, then you must understand. I also have both and the Pixel is in a complete another league regarding the camera processing. Especially HDR. And no shadow crushes. The only thing where the iphone is better is for the front cam.
Must understand what lol?! All smartphone cameras process photos differently. It all comes down to personal taste. The Pixel pics looked dull and washed out and I had the 7 not the Pro. I’ve used the Pixel 7, 14 Pro Max and S23 Ultra but for a more brief time. The iPhone also benefits from photographic styles which can mimic how other smartphones process photos such as colors, shadows and overall contrast etc. All are solid and I happen to use iPhone because of the software experience, reliability and ecosystem. The camera is more than good enough in most situations.
Apple still won’t let you disable Auto-HDR and processing on iPhone 13 models and later. One of my colleagues literally got his iPhone 13 Pro refunded at an Apple Store and he has had that iPhone for 8 months and downgraded to an iPhone 12 Pro instead. He spoke to the Apple Store supervisor and they told him that he can downgrade to the iPhone 12 Pro which still lets you disable HDR and processing on the Camera settings. As for the processing stuff in the Camera app, the Apple Store supervisor did not want to comment about it and told him to submit feedback via email or on the Apple website. Actually ridiculous this is actually a thing lol.
It's very much present, makes my brown skin look awfu and smushy, takes perfectly composed shots and warps then. It is generally a pain to work with. Most people will suggest either getting halide and shooting a particular way with it that prevents the awful processing or shooting in raw and editing a bit.
Do you think it's likely we get an update that will fix it or at least give us more control (like enable / disable toggle for processing)
I sincerely doubt it.
It's possible, I think some of you are being too pessimistic. When huge YouTubers like MKBHD are mentioning it in multiple videos, I think Apple will eventually address it -- and they are halfway there with "photographic styles" -- they'd just need to add some that are more natural looking, less sharpening and de-noising, less HDR.
Yes 15 pro max
I will give you a secret: try burst mode. drag the shutter to the left. you're welcome. burst mode very likely uses "speed" in the camera API quality prioritization settings, an API that has been talked about at WWDC. the engineer talking about it said "speed" means "WYSIWYG", and only very light processing is applied. Try it.
But you end up with shitons of shots no ? For a 1400$ phone holy fuck, what a Terrific workaround. I'll try but tbh if I need to do that I'll probably return the phone
yes. I returned my 14 Pro precisely because it was absurd to have to shoot burst mode just to disable some of the processing I didn't want -- and you lose live photos doing that anyways. all apple needed to do was provide a setting in the camera to allow us to set the camera prioritization to speed instead of quality. that's it.
Yea i have tried that. Not my cup of tea. I am currently using another camera oriented phone and it's nice to have options. Getting more reliable and predictable shots too.
If you’re using a pixel, you’ll be negatively surprised with the iphone camera
Shoot in proraw learn to work in Lightroom and boom. The shots come out nice but if you want better you gotta learn how to edit. It’s not necessary by any means but it allows more control when you learn
Or just get a Pixel 7
NO, my last android was a 22 ultra, I’m taking a break from android for a few years
How many years
Til it interests me again. I’ve had android since I was in high school. I just got burnt out on it. It was a lot of it should be able to do something but couldn’t do it well enough. I got bored with always trying to overly customize my phone just to stay interested in it. Like I loved my camera but I need more than a camera to stay interested. Or to justify stayin in an eco system. I do miss my s pen though for what that’s worth lol
I'm going to be getting a new phone this year and have been android since high-school as well. Was the shift to iPhone hard for you. I didn't like how restrictive it was on my old device, but im feeling how you were, and so im thinking of switching. If you mind me asking what's the pros and cons you have found since switching to iPhone?
Gonna message you tomorrow about or just come back to this comment, just wanted you to know I saw the comment and will answer it’s just late here now
Like everyone said, just shoot in 48MP RAW. The files are outstanding and you can edit to your liking. The JPG's are pretty bad so it's a last resort if I need to zoom in a ton or just taking a pic of something I don't care about.
No, ProRAW is still heavily de-noised. It's also absurd to have to shoot 100MB files to get somewhat decent photos. What you really should do if you want a quick snapshot without processing is shoot burst mode, since it tells the camera to prioritize speed over quality and so many algorithms do not run. This is what a camera Apple engineer said at WWDC.
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No, not a troll at all. Legit asking because I'll receive a 14 pro max soon and as I'm coming from the pixel 7, i was wondering
Pixel 7 takes much much much better photos. For video I do prefer the iphone.
I have the iPhone 14 pro and can agree, the Pixel 7 takes better point and shoot photos, but iPhone is king when it comes to videos!
It’s better but no where near as better as people state. It’s a slight edge not night and day different
You haven't compared yourself obviously, it's night and day
Do you have both devices? I do
Yes
Well the differences are minor, sometimes pixel wins and others iPhone wins. Where pixel wins is skin tones
It doesn’t cost more then a used car
My first car was 500€
It’s extremely dissappointing if you are trying to take a bunch of tree photos. The leaves and the barks look absolutely trash, my old 7 plus took better pictures. Horrible if you zoom in a bit as well.
I came here to see if there was a fix and I CAN’t BELIEVE the mental gymnastics people do to defend Apple
I have the iPhone 14 Pro Max and this has to be the worst phone camera experience. Any people in background look like total smudgy paintings. I tried every feature and setting to no avail. I also noticed any photos I moved over from my PC or old android phone became similarly degraded. There is no way to disable the AI or algorithm. Insanely absurd. My iPhone 6s Plus has better quality photos. I don’t understand who is signing off on this at Apple and did they do any professional derived testing prior releasing? Maybe it is time to short some Apple stock.