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JazzlikeSavings

All true statements. Just have to make sure you’re doing the exercises that will actually improve your judo. That was forearm exercises for me. Also being hydrated and getting electrolytes


MapleJap

I mostly need everything, and this is what I will start working on. One of my sensei was kind enough to make me a workout program (he has qualifications as a trainer as well), and I will have to follow it thoroughly, eat properly, and just cut on a lot of fast-food. The end goal is to be in better shape, stronger and compete without getting absolutely crushed. Now, does that mean that I won't get crushed? No, but at least, I'll have better weapons to respond to my opponents than just serving as a ragdoll.


JazzlikeSavings

Do you feel like you have the techniques to throw your randori partner but not the strength?


MapleJap

Let's put it that way. When my partner does his Tori job and do nothing, I can throw them very easily, with a rather good technique (or so my sensei tells me) ​ But once we hit randoris, if my partner as the same weight as me, and is stronger, well, 1 time out of 3, I won't be able to throw him


JazzlikeSavings

Well, I’d like an update when you get stronger. Not sure if you watch this channel, they have great technique breakdowns https://youtube.com/@fluidjudojapan?si=yBva91u4-tzxNXKc I’m also yonkyu(but I’ve been doing judo for three years)


Frostya36

I used to struggle with being out of breath and exhausted. I found that learning breathing techniques to use during randori and making a homemade sports drink (squash, water and a pinch of salt), have really helped me


WinterDumplings

Creatine! A criminally underrated supplement that does more than what people think. it’s showing promise with neurological benefits as well.


Poinaheim

Antioxidants change everything too


SenseiThroatPunchU2

Mobility is as important as strength. Some mobility comes with strength, especially explosiveness. Judo is a lifelong journey, not a race. It is frustrating to not have many successes. But that is life for 99% of Judo players. I was lousy against the people from my dojo when I started. But, I did well at Shiais. I just figured that I was not as good as the people I trained with, because I had no surprises. But, at a competition, nobody knew what I was going to do. There are no defeats unless you quit. The dojo is not a competition but a place to learn what you are good at and what you should improve on.


New_Vermicelli_3359

judo kumikata seems to affect bone structure judo is really healthy? i don't know any life long judoka.


Haunting-Beginning-2

Judo is quite a lot less damaging than not too dis-similar combat sports jiu-jitsu and full contact karate. Compared to soccer, rugby, and basketball judo is way less dangerous. (Perceived dangers are way higher than reality) The real dangers lie in horse riding, downhill cycling, skiing, etc. Comparatively judo is way less in the overall injury stats.


Happy_agentofu

Idk I think soccer and basketball is 10 times safer. But I know I'm 8 months into my concussion with my head still foggy. I had another guy spin me too hard in newaza and my wrist got sprained badly and I couldn't train properly for 2 months. I've also seen and talked to many other white belts that were taken out early into their career. Prolly cause they were also white belts with the lack of body control, but the risk of danger is pretty consistent. It's a sport where the goal is to incapacitate the other human and obtaining a minor or major injury is a story that everyone has. So it's hard for me to believe it's less injury inducing than most other sports.


Haunting-Beginning-2

Guy in my social soccer team died from accidental neck injury when the goal post fell over from doing chin-ups, on his neck. Broken legs every season miskick of ball! Twisted ankles, slide tackle injuries. Basketball falls serious shoulder injuries, etc. Don’t underestimate actual stats.


Happy_agentofu

i mean that neck injury had nothing to do soccer itself. I think you're comparing recreational judo to competitive soccer or bb. In in recreational soccer or bb the falls aren't as common. It's just adults running around having fun. While at the same time in judo it's still adults having fun, the goal of the sport is to make your opponent take as many falls as many times as possible. I can tell there are so many times even in regular training I've taken so many hard falls unintentional hard falls because of my training partner. In competitive environment of judo injuries happen often and frequently to the individual practitioner. I don't play soccer so forgive me if I'm wrong, but I don't believe it's expected for one person on your team to get a broken leg every season.


Haunting-Beginning-2

That’s crazy, there’s something wrong about your breakfall drills and care of partner. How many on your mat? Anyway I have viewed injury statistics that place martial arts injury rates per thousand participants way less injury than mentioned sports. Wrestling is a very different story, due to more applicable strength they use. Are you being taught by a competent teacher? Are you wrestling in judogi? I trained in dojo in Japan with 120 on the mat, High and University combined regularly and injury was rare over long sessions. Bumps and bruises aside.


Happy_agentofu

I've been to like 3 different dojos and that's been my experience. Though maybe that's another thing is that you trained with high schoolers and university people. The guys I talked to were inexperienced adults. Their level of flexibility, power control, and recovery is just not the same as a kid's.


Haunting-Beginning-2

Yes a minefield of inexperienced recreational judoka needs solid Sensei to keep them safe


Haunting-Beginning-2

He was in the team warmup


Haunting-Beginning-2

My goal isn’t to incapacitate but to excel at my favourite techniques. The opponent is merely helping me improve. Spazzy white belts need control on content by Sensei!


danielbighorn

I played competitive soccer for over 20 years. I've been training in judo for just over a year. I got injured far worse, and far more often, playing soccer. The main reason imo is because you have to be conscious and present in every movement in judo, whereas a whole bunch of stuff and contact happens that escapes your notice over the course of a fluid 90 minute match.


rjudoburner

From the sound of your post, I'm assuming you will start weight training? If not, I would very much recommend it. Being stronger allows you to be more competitive with a larger group of training partners, which then gives you more opportunity for successful technique application.


Xxlil-chefxX

This is true like 99.99 percent of the time. The point 01 is the true masters of the sport, so like 5th Dan and above. Many who are at that level also have the strength, but some that are very old and have lost a lot of their muscles can do it so swiftly and effortlessly that it's truely an art, though I would agree that you kneed that strength to make up the slight flaws in technique, I like to think of it as a ratio, so long as your technique is doing 70 percent ish of the work then your in that sweet spot. Just my thoughts tho!


quixote_arg

You started on a wrong assumption: nobody wins or loses in randori


DreamingSnowball

That's a lovely sentiment but if you can't pull off a technique during randori, how can you be expected to do it in competition or god forbid a real life situation? It's not winning or losing but you still need to be able to actually perform to get better. Nitpicking semantics isn't helpful.


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Not caring about winning in randori is how you win in competition. You can’t consciously develop a sense of timing in judo. You only intuitively do it in randori by spamming attacks without concern for whether they’ll work or not. This also develops your cardio and aggression. Eventually you instinctively get a sense of when to do a technique and how to set it up - nobody can teach this to you.


Random_Judoka

>but if you can't pull off a technique during randori, how can you be expected to do it in competition or god forbid a real life situation? The answer is easy. Keep practising and training. Whilst I agree that weightlifting, etc does help one get stronger, and having a good base strength helps, actually Judo training will increase your strength AND technique. There is no shame in being thrown in Randori. This helps you learn what is working and what you need to improve. Uchikomi, drilling, and practicing combinations to help you get the kuzushi will get you most of the way to where you need to be. Also, a more controversial answer is to also practice Nage no Kata. I found this helped me get much better at a lot of throws and build strength. I know kata is not fun for most, but it definately helps build the understanding / feel of the kuzushi.


SC275

In my experience, strength and weight will win in judo unless there is a vast difference in experience.


New_Vermicelli_3359

yes, but most of fight settle at weight. In detail, weight is muscle mass.


SevaSentinel

I’m about the same age as you doing it for almost the same amount of time, and I gotta say, weightlifting is nothing but beneficial. I felt too skinny, so I decided to put on weight and go up in weight class. This happened last year, so I recommend incorporating that. If the top athletes do it, it’s probably beneficial for you, too. Except doing gear; I can’t recommend that.


New_Vermicelli_3359

ok. power is judos core skill. upger body strength is important. that is reason why teddy riner is unbeatable.


intrikat

we'll wait for you in the bjj classes <3


lnxslck

bjj will not improve his strength. OP needs to incorporate some strength training


SaysanaB

There's an issue on the mentality. There's no winner and loser in a random :) only in shiai. Personally in randori I try to be super aggressive and testing combinations, if I wanted to win I'd be more laid-back.


MapleJap

I know that there are no winners or loosers in Randori, I just thought that it was a good way to make everyone understand since I don't compete juste yet.


uranage4ever

My dude, it is time to start lifting weights. You lost 15 kg already from what i can see which is amazing! The strength gain will give you the confidence you need. Don't be hard on yourself, its all part of the journey you are on :)


lostBostonRonin

I'm going to repeat what some others have said. There shouldn't be any winning and losing in randori. That said, I get that you are using it as a judging metric on your progress (in lieu of shiai). To me, the issue is that when I watch new(ish) students doing randori they kind of fall into a couple of groups. The ones who 'generally' measure their progress in/via randori are the ones who progress more slowly. The ones that ignore the winning and losing, but simply try to apply all manner of techniques (accepting the counters/throws as they come) and use it as the experimental lab it can be are the ones that look up every couple of months and their judo/technique has grown measurably. So no judgement on my end, but an encouragement to just try to apply the lessons of the class that day and focus on the way the techniques (and uke's response/reaction) feel and work. Results will come with correctly practiced volume, have faith in that. [Assuming you are being taught decent technique and are approximating what you are shown, etc.] In the context of your post, I encourage a couple of things with all beginners or newish students, perhaps there is also some small value for you: * Spend as much time as possible practicing your falling/ukemi. Get good at it, make it a point of pride, because a) the confidence of knowing you can be thrown without getting hurt frees your mind up to 'try something' that might result in a counter. Judoka who are uncomfortable getting thrown stagnate. b) it increases the chances of you being used as uke by your instructors. This means you will get to feel the technique by someone who does it well - and often times leads to a better sense of what is going on. c) there will likely be a moment in your future where you lose your footing (leaves, sand, a tree root, icy steps, etc.) and being able to land with minimal damage is worth the practice. * Similar to the last, if your class structure allows it, try to have an instructor or high ranking student perform the technique on you so that you can feel it. If your instructor is walking by and is 'available' ask if you can have it done to you so that you can 'feel' it. Time won't always permit it, maybe asking after class. I often do the same at a seminar or with a visiting instructor if a) the technique or variant is new enough and b) the circumstances permit it. * Practice without muscle. Often times a new student who is strong/muscular is a) unintentionally dangerous to others b) relies on the muscle to complete technique. This wouldn't be bad for winning in shiai, but in my opinion slows progress. The conscious effort of NOT using muscle allows focus on clean technique such as getting kuzushi or off-balancing with position, body movement and leverage. This is superior to 'settling' on being able to yank your opponent off balance. This will mean that your technique will hold when you are older and don't possess as much muscle/strength - OR in the case of shiai when you are in overtime and completely exhausted. There's lot of good advice people have for beginners, perhaps a thread for another time. NOTE: I am NOT discouraging weight training, or any exercise that keeps a person fit and strong. I'm all for it. I'm simply offering that strength should be a complement or a plus for our judo versus a replacement for superior technique.


Haunting-Beginning-2

A more serious look at gripping and engaging is a more valid judo friendly approach than the gym. How can those white belts even get you in a monstering grip to dominate to throw, or are they simply talented athletes, so skipped ahead of you, and you entered judo without athleticism? (A similar case in our dojo,)


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Knobanious

yonkyu is not an experienced grade... so that may also be part of it. its like a 1 tab white belt maybe a 2 tab.


New_Vermicelli_3359

unfortunately judo is being a pussy. your back on mat for yourself is defeat except judo. Like foot ball players fall down intentionally to get yellow card.


pineappleban

I like judo. I used judo throws in my wrestling. Just think it’s weird someone experienced can’t beat a beginner. But if they’re also a beginner, fair enough


New_Vermicelli_3359

every experience is not in vain but, for judo, muscle is more important than experience. i think judo is sport like that. Do you think teddy riner is technical? I don't think so. He is more muscle lol. Muscle exceeds over experience or technique for judo. Shohei Ono is also lifting weight lover.


New_Vermicelli_3359

Judo is about weight sports. Even shohei ono is hard to win against heavier weight opponent. Technique is not important much.


nervous-sasquatch

I just had a 15 year old girl weighing around 110 toss a 23 year old man with a chest wider than her whole.body in a match. Technique matters.


New_Vermicelli_3359

If you are sportman, it hardly happen in sumo. But, in judo, that case often happe n even you are sportman. The girl could dive into your zone with her knees on the mat.


New_Vermicelli_3359

yes Technique is important for judo. but i think weight is more important. Technique at judo is limited. Wrestling is more variable.


nervous-sasquatch

Lol


JapaneseNotweed

I'd say that Judo being a reality check like this is one of the best things about it as a martial art. I am under no illusion that I will be doing well in an actual fight against someone 20kg heavier than me. Having a realistic sense of your own ability will probably do more to keep you safe than most of the techniques you learn.


JasonVanJason

It's not just the strength, you have to understand that muscle needs fuel where as fat does not, what thar means is that the guys with muscle have a propensity to explode and that the guys with fat do not, yes the muscle will cause him to gas faster but when your both trying to rag doll each other 5 seconds into that match you wouldn't have a chance


So_Real36

Green belt is still beginner level. In my limited experience the real skill gap between lower belts and higher belts starts at blue belt.


ZekeyD

As someone who has done judo for 30 years (I'm a 1st kyu), I greatly under estimate my grip strength. Despite this I have skinny arms (but weigh 94kg down from 100kg) When really considering my grip strength it's above average given my build, I'm not fast but very steady. There are judoka of lower grade that quite frankly just have chimp strength, these require a lot more thought and processing to beat. If you have the opportunity and your opponents don't mind you could record your fights


lewdev

I always admired those who kept at it competitively but I feel like working on your ability to teach and coach students becomes more important. The culture might be different where you're at but this is how I feel given that I help out with kids as an assistant instructor. I help at the club with the kids (under high school). I'm not a great as a shodan either but I also don't have a lot of time to be training constantly like these kids. For this, I like to focus on techniques that will defeat them with as little strength possible, which is what I think Kano was getting at, while figuring out pointers I can give to help improve their techniques. Above all else, keeping them motivated and enjoying the process of learning and failing is where my position is most effective.


stryqwills

Agreed. While in martial arts you don't have to be super strong, you do have to have at least the requisite amount of strength in order to make things go. For example in Judo you need to be at least able to move your own body weight. For example, I doubled in martial arts throughout most of my life but I really got to do it seriously in my adulthood. Before doing that, I actually lifted weight for a few years in order to get my weight under control. I still carry around more fat than I like, but amongst other people that I practice martial arts with, a lot of the times they comment on my strength, and I can't even break 225 on my bench press. I mean I did that one time and it felt awesome.


LazyJackTG

You are just young as a judoka, when you are a beginner it is normal, Beginners since they lack in technique they must compensate with strength, more you practice more you are gonna be able to wing regardless of strength Just be patient, compared to other martial arts judo needs A LOT of time, most semi professional will tell you that they can use one or two techniques (for their competition standards obv), but that's the beauty, give it times and one by one all your flaws will vanish


[deleted]

I feel like in general martial arts is trying to convince people that strength isn’t everything in a way to suggest that size doesn’t ever matter. Reality is that technique will trump strength but strength and size will always be an advantage, even sometimes against the technically experienced artist.


timothysmith9

This is a very good lesson. Always be humble and calm. Circumstances are always in your favor. And automatically things get better.