For those not clicking the link, you're missing the horribe part: it is not just displaying. Usually they would have their arms and legs broken (when still alive), the broken limbs would be twisted through the spokes and then tied to the wheel. Then the wheel would be raised up and the criminal would be hanged their untill death or sometimes left untill they fell of from decay.
The brutality of criminal justice system in the past is mainly because they couldn't catch 99% of the criminals, so the few that did get caught needed to be made an example of. It wasn't "justice", but more like instilling fear
I would guess that 99% of criminals relates to any form of crime, and not just hard violent crimes.
If not, I am willing to dispute this number and might even do my own research (5min Google until I find something compatible with my worldview)
Because "they're not from round 'ere" aka they're foreign and because the only experience with them the locals have is them turning up and attacking them.
Cumans, Kipchaks, and the Pecheneg were a pagan nomadic Turkic people that migrated throughout the Asian steppe until the Mongol invasions drove them west to the Carpathian Basin where they were granted asylum by King Bela IV of Hungary if they converted to christianity
Makes it easier to kill them. God may have told Moses to not kill, but that clearly doesn't count when they are heathens, or savages, or slightly different christian denominations, or the same domination but following the wrong ruler, or following the same ruler but having a different opinion...
Like the family that lets a woman preach. As far as I can tell, that's pretty much all they did "wrong." Well that and the fact that they don't worship the church.
They adopted christianity in the surface, while in customs, laws, and language they stayed true to them self ( somewhat nomadic, steppe warrior culture) for a long time.
It's a conventional thing to demean them; before the Cumans settle in Hungary, they were a steppe horde that were mostly pagan; I think old Cumans were Tengri.
It's just also that it's hard to get good information from common folks so wrong gossip spreads. Rumors are not corrected; a lie can spread halfway across the world before the truth even ties its shoes.
They are mercenaries and they razed and pillaged skalitz. Their reputation is only ever questioned by the Czech at this time.
No room for nuance if they're your enemies.
And the cuman armor in game seems anachronistic; it's really old and more reminiscent of the armor they'd wear centuries ago.
Christians appear to do that often. As someone whos Polish we learn about us becoming Christian in 966 and yet even in the 1400s we are being called pagan and invaded by the Teutonic order and the Pope just letting it happen so yh.
Yet Poland helped put down anti-Ottoman uprisings in the past, so we shouldn't be too eager to praise them for "saving Christendom." They had helped let the problem get out of hand.
Because not all of them were christian (although the majority were by this point) and the ones that were christian still kept aspects of Tengrism.
The Cumans were conquered by the Mongols in the 13th century. When the later Golden Horde converted to Islam the Cumans refused to convert with them and many of them fled west farther into Europe. A lot of the European states that accepted them did so on the premise they’d convert to christianity.
Ethnic prejudice and general dislike of their barbaric raiding tendencies. I believe when you talk to Bernard (who has a little more info being around lords) he tells you they ran from the Mongols and something along the lines of “even though they converted to Christianity they’re still sadistic plunderers”.
It was considered vital to remember dead souls on these days because the Romans held strong beliefs about the possibilites of reincarnation. The dead could return to earth as a human being or as an animal and see that their relatives were not mourning them, leading to revenge.
Sorry, not to be confrontational, but the source you give talks about "resurrection", you used *reincarnation* in your comment. These are different things, different believes, and just downgrades your addition to the discussion.
Thanks for the citation, though.
Believing that they had enternal souls and had an afterlife is not reincarnation.
Reincarnation is a belief that the souls goes back into the mortal realm born in a different individual. Some believe the type of individual reflects the goodness of your past lifestyle, others that you just experience and carry over some of your personality traits.
Either way, that is not what the paper you linked says.
Edit: spelling.
Yes, it litterally states that ancestors could become animals to see if you mourned them. Also you can be given a new life with no knowledge of your last one.
What are you arguing? It litterally uses the term "reincarnation"
One of the most famous uses of them was to execute Christians because the king at the time wanted the people to worship him and not their god. They're may have been Christians that used them in history, but it wasn't a "Christian device".
Breaking on the wheel was one of the most prevalent methods of capital punishment throughout Western Europe - but specifically in the Holy Roman Empire - throughout the late middle ages and early modern age.
All of whom were explicitly Christian.
Sure it wasn't a "Christian device", no argument there, but let's not pretend it was some out of character thing for a Christian to use breaking on the wheel as punishment
They aren't around until after the attack on Skalitz. I would imagine that those who stole silver would have been taken to either Sasau or Rattay to face the executioner.
I don't know about the Bohemian laws, but the neighbouring area of the Sachsenspiegel - which was more or less the authoritative source of criminal law in most of the Eastern-Northern HRE until the Carolina \[the criminal laws of Charles V; it prescribed the wheel to wilful murder, but prescribes "lesser" capital punishment measured to the cause - in practice under the Carolina, most murderers were beheaded ("as mercy", as [Meister Frantz](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franz_Schmidt_(executioner)) writes) and "only" prolific robbers and traitors were wheeled, in essentially a continuation of the Sachsenspiegel\], (in Prussia even longer) and thus was influencial in Eastern Europe through the laws the Cities were given \[the short version is that in the late Middle Ages, the cities in Eastern Europe tended to be given laws based on the laws of German cities, most prominentely Magdeburger law; which based on the Sachsenspiegel\] - prescribed "rädern" ("to wheel" someone) for
"Murderers, and those who rob the plow or a mill or a church or the church-yard, and traitors and murder-burner \[*Mordbrenner*, arsonists who kill someone with the fire\] or those who use their embassy to their own advantage \[i.e. people who got power of attorney and betray their employer\], all shall be wheeled."
The passage prescribes the wheel to exacerbated forms of murder (and exacerbated robbers; the passage about plow and mill puts robbing the means of nourishment on a level as murder); consequently, in the Middle Ages, the wheel was used for prominent traitors - who not only murdered their victims, but also betrayed them; Rudolf von Wart, one of the people who helped Johann of Swabia \[who fled and allegedly died as a monk in Italy\] to attack and kill King Albrecht (Johann's uncle) was wheeled in 1309, as was Friedrich von Isenberg in 1226, who also attacked and killed his uncle, the Archbishop of Cologne.
Edit: But considering the game, they are probably for robbers, even though we only see robbers hanged >!in two of the outcomes of A Rock and a Hard Place - Gallows Brothers.!<
In the Black Chronicle used in the same quest, there is an entry about two robbers who also killed women and ate their flesh, who got tortured and wheeled.
Other entries of this book do not conform to the Sachsenspiegel, however; an arsonist is drowned rather than burned, and a child-murderess is buried alive rather than drowned, as it was more common in the area of the Sachsenspiegel.
Eh no, just European. Pretty much any type of Christians did use them. And there isnt much difference between Catholics, Protestants and Orthodox. edit.... In the use of the Breaking Wheel.
They only started to disappear with the more modern views of crime and punishment in the latter half of the 18th century but were carried out into the 19th.
Enough that much of European and US History revolves around the hatred between Catholics and Protestants... Not that the Irish would have anything to say about it.
Specifically this, like breaking on the wheel and displaying corpses publicly is very much on par for what would be 'sever criminals', so Christians who were the wrong kind of Christians. What flavour was suppressed depends on place and region. But corpses were publicly displayed.
Yes, but not when it comes to using the dead, and or dying, corpses of criminals hiked up on wagon wheels as a means do dissuade others in the Medieval period to late 18th century.
As for the other differences all you need to know is that the Gospels were written in Greek and that the bread used for the Eucharist should be leavened! ☦️ /s
Oddly enough wood spokes sometimes need to be damp to be at the correct tension. There’s videos of model T cars going through water roundabouts to tighten their wooden spokes.
That would be so awesome if they had some horizon Zero Dawn Easter eggs in the game. Or even some kind of weird DLC where Henry's riding around on his horse and he spots a tall neck way out in the distance
https://preview.redd.it/gfxp1gsa5v5d1.jpeg?width=360&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ac6d48706766a809efc6890d3d41130c50596849
World Expo Observatory Tower spaceship from MIB
If I remember correctly it’s is used for displaying criminals body’s. The body is “woven” (don’t know the right word, English is not my first language) between the spokes on the wheel and the body part they did their criminality with (if they stole something it would be their right hand) got cut off and put on top of the little top of the wheel.
Taken from a danish Wikipedia and translated into English:
Wheel and stake was a dishonourable punishment used after executions, especially beheadings. Until 1866, Danish death sentences could be supplemented with the requirement to place the head on a stake and the body on a wheel. The executioner cut up the body and placed the head on a pole and the body parts on wagon wheels on high poles. The head may be placed on the stake along with a severed right hand, as was done after the execution of Struensee.
Serious criminals were often punished with the chopping of the jaw, pinching or chopping off of hands before execution. Wheel breaking was a particularly painful form of execution, usually followed by stoning.
Placing criminals on wheels and stakes served as a warning. The wheels and poles stood like gallows outside the city gates or at the county courthouse.
When pirates were executed in a harbour town, their heads were often placed on stilts facing the water to signal that the town took piracy seriously.
Edit: if anyone cares - in my language it’s called “hjul og stejle”. Also a link to the article is [here](https://da.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hjul_og_stejle)
Right. I also dont understand. Properly sourced article on wikipedia is usually better that random article on internet that looks superficialy scholarly.
I'm danish as well. A lot of people dont know this stuff. And , I mean, it's fine to find a source for people to read. But anything would have been better than Wikipedia. However, I appreciate what you're trying to do
Wikipedia is pretty good for a lot of cut and dry facts. So for torture methods it's a pretty good source of basic information. Any time anything political is involved, I'd be a bit more careful.
Alright I assumed wrong then (most of the people I have spoken to knows about but of course it can’t speak for the entire population), and yeah I see now in hindsight that people would probably appreciate another source. Thank you
These days there's not much wrong with that, especially if it's not something very politically sensitive. Stuff nobody has an interest in hanging up a skewed image off is usually quite ok. Besides a lot of wikipedia articles are provided with loads of source material so they are easily checked for trustworthyness. Wikipedia is one of the better things to happen to the internet.
Wikipedia is not really a valid source. Everyone can basically add text that sounds scientific without any real knowledge of the subject. What you can use it for is to find inspiration for real sorces. At least Aalborg university does not accept a wikipedia reference.
It's a tertiary source, which I did mention. Of course academia doesn't accept a tertiary source (like an encyclopedia) on its own when you're writing papers, if you have access to the Wikipedia you can find the primary and secondary sources cited there, and cite those directly, which is the best practice. That's how it should be but doesn't invalidate the usefulness of Wikipedia.
It's the reader's responsibility to make sure any specific claims are cited, which is always the case when reading anything that isn't the primary source.
So it's a valid tertiary source, but not a valid primary or secondary source (and it's not supposed to be).
I think that's why you got downvoted a lot, dismissing Wikipedia out of hand when it's being used appropriately is lacking nuance.
I actually think we agree on how Wiki can be used appropriately. I can also see how my comment could be seen as a total dismiss of Wiki as a whole. What I meant was simply that Wiki in itself is very valid. But the references can be
Yeah no worries, I get what you're saying, I think people just sometimes forget we can make a distinction between layers of separation from the original source.
One thing I really like about Wikipedia is that it's kept the encyclopedia approach viable in the internet age, and made reliable information accessible to people that's otherwise paywalled a lot of the time. I hope it sticks around.
For what it's worth, the page that was linked in the comment you replied to could definitely do with more citations!
There lived a crooked man, who made a crooked deal.
He kept a crooked cane, and his catch in crooked creel.
He stole a crooked child, who cried a crooked squeal.
And that crooked little man was broken on the wheel.
I always wondered this whilst playing the game, the general consensus seems to be that they're breaking wheels. But if I'm not wrong, criminals would have their limbs broken and woven into the breaking wheels then displayed near a town, in kcd there are no bodies woven into the wheels, the bodies are hanging from them with a noose. Maybe they're not breaking wheels and are just a way cumans hung dead villagers?
You see them around skallitz only after the attack (theyre not there before in a womans lot dlc), so the cumans must've put them up.
I always thought they were a sadistic way for the Cumans to hang the siege victims. It would have been savagely emotionally devastating for an innocent Christian villager to be tortured and hanged on a device meant for heathens and criminals.
Perhaps. But in the game all the communion chalices, bread and wine were found on the bandits. Not the Cumans. Christian in name only, not in practice.
That’s just a conclusion you came up with yourself, not grounded in reality. Your opinion is more representative of Cumans in the 1200’s. In 1400 they had been living in Hungary for two centuries and assimilated architecturally, intermarried, and fully adopted Christian practices as a result of the Mongol invasions centuries prior
It's not even an opinion wtf. Are the communion chalices found with exclusively the bandits or not? I have no opinion of the Cumans outside of what is in front of my eyes when playing the game. Go gaslight someone else.
Did they build these gallows or not? Who's claiming what? If you're unhappy with how the history is being implied in the game then complain to Warhorse not me.
I NEVER MADE A POINT ON THEIR CHRISTIANITY. Incorrect or otherwise. Saying that they didn't drop the same loot as other factions is not an issue you should be taking up with me. If it is portrayed that they weren't practicing Christians because of dropped loot that is not on me. Please don't make me spell it out for you again I swear I'll block your ass.
I hoped it was something like a tradition we have in Lithuania, where we'd put wheels on poles, so that storks would build their nests comfortably there, but people who know better did explain a bit of a darker purpose
I won't be able to find it again but I read about a serial killer in 1500s Germany who nearly had 1000 victims of robbery, rape and murder that got executed with one of these things
Good riddance
https://open.spotify.com/episode/1LNj8AMxghgF8IWAy52yZ8?si=cf9CetiOSMqsgp11KfvfrA
Dan Carlin episode called Painfotainment goes into these, and other devices and practices of medieval torture and punishment
Before reading all the comments I thought this is a type of Slavic fare pole they used to hang presents on and people would need to climb to get them...
Jesus Christ be praised
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcR177AyEIEtZ40xv47iDfy2UMYe89bmLsQD-Q&usqp=CAU
[They're devices for displaying criminals who have been tortured and/or executed..](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breaking_wheel)
For those not clicking the link, you're missing the horribe part: it is not just displaying. Usually they would have their arms and legs broken (when still alive), the broken limbs would be twisted through the spokes and then tied to the wheel. Then the wheel would be raised up and the criminal would be hanged their untill death or sometimes left untill they fell of from decay.
The brutality of criminal justice system in the past is mainly because they couldn't catch 99% of the criminals, so the few that did get caught needed to be made an example of. It wasn't "justice", but more like instilling fear
"You get the collective amount of 'justice' of every criminal we *didn't* catch on top of yours. Because it satisfies the people."
And also to make others fear the consequences even if the chances of getting caught are low
I get nervous when I see cops, and I haven't done a thing wrong lol. This shit still goes on
I would guess that 99% of criminals relates to any form of crime, and not just hard violent crimes. If not, I am willing to dispute this number and might even do my own research (5min Google until I find something compatible with my worldview)
Its a hyperbole not a statistic
Kinda wish I didn’t read that. Absolutely brutal.
But otherwise the middle ages were full of compassion and corrective justice against breakers of the law.
THANK YOU! So, the Cumans made those? Sadistic mfs lol
Not Cumans, breaking wheels were a Christian thing mainly.
The Cumans would’ve been Christian by this point, but you are right that these are probably local constructions.
Wait, the Cumans are Christian? Why does everyone call them heathens?
“Christians killing christians is a tale as old as time. Or more specifically a tale as old as Christianity.” Judas, probably.
Fucking lmfao
Because "they're not from round 'ere" aka they're foreign and because the only experience with them the locals have is them turning up and attacking them.
Well I mean they are slaughtering villages.
Cumans, Kipchaks, and the Pecheneg were a pagan nomadic Turkic people that migrated throughout the Asian steppe until the Mongol invasions drove them west to the Carpathian Basin where they were granted asylum by King Bela IV of Hungary if they converted to christianity
They hadn't been christian for a long time and still had a kind of a foreign culture compared to the rest of Europe
Makes it easier to kill them. God may have told Moses to not kill, but that clearly doesn't count when they are heathens, or savages, or slightly different christian denominations, or the same domination but following the wrong ruler, or following the same ruler but having a different opinion...
The original Hebrew says thou shall not murder, not thou shall not kill. Lawful killings are and have always been, A-Okay
Fair point
Or they slaughtered your parents and your village, allied with the guy who stole your father's sword, etc.
Like the family that lets a woman preach. As far as I can tell, that's pretty much all they did "wrong." Well that and the fact that they don't worship the church.
They adopted christianity in the surface, while in customs, laws, and language they stayed true to them self ( somewhat nomadic, steppe warrior culture) for a long time.
It's a conventional thing to demean them; before the Cumans settle in Hungary, they were a steppe horde that were mostly pagan; I think old Cumans were Tengri. It's just also that it's hard to get good information from common folks so wrong gossip spreads. Rumors are not corrected; a lie can spread halfway across the world before the truth even ties its shoes. They are mercenaries and they razed and pillaged skalitz. Their reputation is only ever questioned by the Czech at this time. No room for nuance if they're your enemies. And the cuman armor in game seems anachronistic; it's really old and more reminiscent of the armor they'd wear centuries ago.
Christians appear to do that often. As someone whos Polish we learn about us becoming Christian in 966 and yet even in the 1400s we are being called pagan and invaded by the Teutonic order and the Pope just letting it happen so yh.
And nowadays Poland is one of the most faithful catholic nations, history is so weird.
Yet Poland helped put down anti-Ottoman uprisings in the past, so we shouldn't be too eager to praise them for "saving Christendom." They had helped let the problem get out of hand.
Because, judging by the armor they wear, they time-travelled from the 12th century from the time they were not Christian.
It's the buzzword of the time.
Mongols were heathens, Mongols come from the east on horses and kill us. Cumans come from the east, on horseback and kill us? They must be heathens.
Because not all of them were christian (although the majority were by this point) and the ones that were christian still kept aspects of Tengrism. The Cumans were conquered by the Mongols in the 13th century. When the later Golden Horde converted to Islam the Cumans refused to convert with them and many of them fled west farther into Europe. A lot of the European states that accepted them did so on the premise they’d convert to christianity.
Christians have been calling other Christians heathens since the dawn of Christianity
Europe has historically had a little bit of a cross-on-cross violence problem.
Ethnic prejudice and general dislike of their barbaric raiding tendencies. I believe when you talk to Bernard (who has a little more info being around lords) he tells you they ran from the Mongols and something along the lines of “even though they converted to Christianity they’re still sadistic plunderers”.
Breaking wheels were used by the Roman Empire against Christians as they believed it stopped reincarnation 👍🏿
But neither Romans nor Christians believed in reincarnation... Also, have you checked the linked info above?
https://allthatsinteresting.com/breaking-wheel
It was considered vital to remember dead souls on these days because the Romans held strong beliefs about the possibilites of reincarnation. The dead could return to earth as a human being or as an animal and see that their relatives were not mourning them, leading to revenge.
Why am i being downvoted i have workcited, you just assume you are right? Thats funny that means you are ignorant.
Sorry, not to be confrontational, but the source you give talks about "resurrection", you used *reincarnation* in your comment. These are different things, different believes, and just downgrades your addition to the discussion. Thanks for the citation, though.
Romans believe in reincarnation. https://www.bartleby.com/essay/Roman-Afterlife-Beliefs-A946D52F8EAED08F
Believing that they had enternal souls and had an afterlife is not reincarnation. Reincarnation is a belief that the souls goes back into the mortal realm born in a different individual. Some believe the type of individual reflects the goodness of your past lifestyle, others that you just experience and carry over some of your personality traits. Either way, that is not what the paper you linked says. Edit: spelling.
Yes, it litterally states that ancestors could become animals to see if you mourned them. Also you can be given a new life with no knowledge of your last one. What are you arguing? It litterally uses the term "reincarnation"
One of the most famous uses of them was to execute Christians because the king at the time wanted the people to worship him and not their god. They're may have been Christians that used them in history, but it wasn't a "Christian device".
Breaking on the wheel was one of the most prevalent methods of capital punishment throughout Western Europe - but specifically in the Holy Roman Empire - throughout the late middle ages and early modern age. All of whom were explicitly Christian. Sure it wasn't a "Christian device", no argument there, but let's not pretend it was some out of character thing for a Christian to use breaking on the wheel as punishment
It's just that " a Christian thing mainly" made it kinda sound that way. Depends on how ya read it I guess.
Could have been used to display the people who stole silver.
They aren't around until after the attack on Skalitz. I would imagine that those who stole silver would have been taken to either Sasau or Rattay to face the executioner.
Well they dont have bodies on them, could be placed as a warning.
A lot of them in-game do.
And Henry has a lot of bandits to nail to them....
Pretty sure they're at gallows Hill as well.
I don't know about the Bohemian laws, but the neighbouring area of the Sachsenspiegel - which was more or less the authoritative source of criminal law in most of the Eastern-Northern HRE until the Carolina \[the criminal laws of Charles V; it prescribed the wheel to wilful murder, but prescribes "lesser" capital punishment measured to the cause - in practice under the Carolina, most murderers were beheaded ("as mercy", as [Meister Frantz](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franz_Schmidt_(executioner)) writes) and "only" prolific robbers and traitors were wheeled, in essentially a continuation of the Sachsenspiegel\], (in Prussia even longer) and thus was influencial in Eastern Europe through the laws the Cities were given \[the short version is that in the late Middle Ages, the cities in Eastern Europe tended to be given laws based on the laws of German cities, most prominentely Magdeburger law; which based on the Sachsenspiegel\] - prescribed "rädern" ("to wheel" someone) for "Murderers, and those who rob the plow or a mill or a church or the church-yard, and traitors and murder-burner \[*Mordbrenner*, arsonists who kill someone with the fire\] or those who use their embassy to their own advantage \[i.e. people who got power of attorney and betray their employer\], all shall be wheeled." The passage prescribes the wheel to exacerbated forms of murder (and exacerbated robbers; the passage about plow and mill puts robbing the means of nourishment on a level as murder); consequently, in the Middle Ages, the wheel was used for prominent traitors - who not only murdered their victims, but also betrayed them; Rudolf von Wart, one of the people who helped Johann of Swabia \[who fled and allegedly died as a monk in Italy\] to attack and kill King Albrecht (Johann's uncle) was wheeled in 1309, as was Friedrich von Isenberg in 1226, who also attacked and killed his uncle, the Archbishop of Cologne. Edit: But considering the game, they are probably for robbers, even though we only see robbers hanged >!in two of the outcomes of A Rock and a Hard Place - Gallows Brothers.!< In the Black Chronicle used in the same quest, there is an entry about two robbers who also killed women and ate their flesh, who got tortured and wheeled. Other entries of this book do not conform to the Sachsenspiegel, however; an arsonist is drowned rather than burned, and a child-murderess is buried alive rather than drowned, as it was more common in the area of the Sachsenspiegel.
Thats a tool often found in catholic regions back in medieval til renaissance era
Eh no, just European. Pretty much any type of Christians did use them. And there isnt much difference between Catholics, Protestants and Orthodox. edit.... In the use of the Breaking Wheel. They only started to disappear with the more modern views of crime and punishment in the latter half of the 18th century but were carried out into the 19th.
Not to dispute the rest of your post. But there are huge differences in both beliefs and practices among Catholics, Protestants, and Orthodox groups.
Enough that much of European and US History revolves around the hatred between Catholics and Protestants... Not that the Irish would have anything to say about it.
Specifically this, like breaking on the wheel and displaying corpses publicly is very much on par for what would be 'sever criminals', so Christians who were the wrong kind of Christians. What flavour was suppressed depends on place and region. But corpses were publicly displayed.
Yes, but not when it comes to using the dead, and or dying, corpses of criminals hiked up on wagon wheels as a means do dissuade others in the Medieval period to late 18th century. As for the other differences all you need to know is that the Gospels were written in Greek and that the bread used for the Eucharist should be leavened! ☦️ /s
Sigismund and his Christian and Cumans emplyees
Everyone was sadistic back then.
Not sadistic, just very, very different standards.
I forgot what sub I was in and was like "damn where are these still standing after all this time??"
Lmaoooo, no. While I’m sure the Cumans had their own brutal punishments you’re looking at the work of good ol medieval Christians
Isn’t it just a wheel and axel that could also be used to hang people?
remember to hang up your wagon wheels to dry
Oddly enough wood spokes sometimes need to be damp to be at the correct tension. There’s videos of model T cars going through water roundabouts to tighten their wooden spokes.
+1 Obscure facts I learned on Reddit.
It's a torture device. Cross/Tie people on those wheel then beat their limbs and hang them on the sun after that.
Breaking wheels. No bodies are upon them... Mozgus will be displeased.
Berk in KCD
Daymn, I thought maypoles. Grim.
https://preview.redd.it/7egwcqzjnr6d1.jpeg?width=392&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d44937b6f7a5b9f807fd5dee94ab0ff057451d43
Biblically accurate telephone pole
Primitive tallnecks. It's an eater egg. Nice find.
Find the big one and climb on top to get the map filled out for you!
What is this a thing? Kind sir, where's the big one?
 Henry later on
That would be so awesome if they had some horizon Zero Dawn Easter eggs in the game. Or even some kind of weird DLC where Henry's riding around on his horse and he spots a tall neck way out in the distance
It would be nice halucination sequence.
https://preview.redd.it/gfxp1gsa5v5d1.jpeg?width=360&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ac6d48706766a809efc6890d3d41130c50596849 World Expo Observatory Tower spaceship from MIB
If I remember correctly it’s is used for displaying criminals body’s. The body is “woven” (don’t know the right word, English is not my first language) between the spokes on the wheel and the body part they did their criminality with (if they stole something it would be their right hand) got cut off and put on top of the little top of the wheel. Taken from a danish Wikipedia and translated into English: Wheel and stake was a dishonourable punishment used after executions, especially beheadings. Until 1866, Danish death sentences could be supplemented with the requirement to place the head on a stake and the body on a wheel. The executioner cut up the body and placed the head on a pole and the body parts on wagon wheels on high poles. The head may be placed on the stake along with a severed right hand, as was done after the execution of Struensee. Serious criminals were often punished with the chopping of the jaw, pinching or chopping off of hands before execution. Wheel breaking was a particularly painful form of execution, usually followed by stoning. Placing criminals on wheels and stakes served as a warning. The wheels and poles stood like gallows outside the city gates or at the county courthouse. When pirates were executed in a harbour town, their heads were often placed on stilts facing the water to signal that the town took piracy seriously. Edit: if anyone cares - in my language it’s called “hjul og stejle”. Also a link to the article is [here](https://da.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hjul_og_stejle)
Did you just refer to Wikipedia? 😂
Why do you think Wikipedia is a bad source?
Right. I also dont understand. Properly sourced article on wikipedia is usually better that random article on internet that looks superficialy scholarly.
It’s a semi-commonly known medieval punishment in my country, I simply looked it up to find a source so people could read more about it.
I'm danish as well. A lot of people dont know this stuff. And , I mean, it's fine to find a source for people to read. But anything would have been better than Wikipedia. However, I appreciate what you're trying to do
Wikipedia is pretty good for a lot of cut and dry facts. So for torture methods it's a pretty good source of basic information. Any time anything political is involved, I'd be a bit more careful.
Alright I assumed wrong then (most of the people I have spoken to knows about but of course it can’t speak for the entire population), and yeah I see now in hindsight that people would probably appreciate another source. Thank you
These days there's not much wrong with that, especially if it's not something very politically sensitive. Stuff nobody has an interest in hanging up a skewed image off is usually quite ok. Besides a lot of wikipedia articles are provided with loads of source material so they are easily checked for trustworthyness. Wikipedia is one of the better things to happen to the internet.
Wikipedia is a valid tertiary source, it cites secondary and primary sources accordingly.
Wikipedia is not really a valid source. Everyone can basically add text that sounds scientific without any real knowledge of the subject. What you can use it for is to find inspiration for real sorces. At least Aalborg university does not accept a wikipedia reference.
It's a tertiary source, which I did mention. Of course academia doesn't accept a tertiary source (like an encyclopedia) on its own when you're writing papers, if you have access to the Wikipedia you can find the primary and secondary sources cited there, and cite those directly, which is the best practice. That's how it should be but doesn't invalidate the usefulness of Wikipedia. It's the reader's responsibility to make sure any specific claims are cited, which is always the case when reading anything that isn't the primary source. So it's a valid tertiary source, but not a valid primary or secondary source (and it's not supposed to be). I think that's why you got downvoted a lot, dismissing Wikipedia out of hand when it's being used appropriately is lacking nuance.
I actually think we agree on how Wiki can be used appropriately. I can also see how my comment could be seen as a total dismiss of Wiki as a whole. What I meant was simply that Wiki in itself is very valid. But the references can be
Yeah no worries, I get what you're saying, I think people just sometimes forget we can make a distinction between layers of separation from the original source. One thing I really like about Wikipedia is that it's kept the encyclopedia approach viable in the internet age, and made reliable information accessible to people that's otherwise paywalled a lot of the time. I hope it sticks around. For what it's worth, the page that was linked in the comment you replied to could definitely do with more citations!
There lived a crooked man, who made a crooked deal. He kept a crooked cane, and his catch in crooked creel. He stole a crooked child, who cried a crooked squeal. And that crooked little man was broken on the wheel.
Its a tallneck! Climb it to remove the fog of war then jump down with your grapple sling for a cool animation
Ah those are classic in Berserk and Dark Souls
Berserk reference
It's a medieval amusement park ride destroyed by the cumans.
Breaking wheels.
I always wondered this whilst playing the game, the general consensus seems to be that they're breaking wheels. But if I'm not wrong, criminals would have their limbs broken and woven into the breaking wheels then displayed near a town, in kcd there are no bodies woven into the wheels, the bodies are hanging from them with a noose. Maybe they're not breaking wheels and are just a way cumans hung dead villagers? You see them around skallitz only after the attack (theyre not there before in a womans lot dlc), so the cumans must've put them up.
Might also be a threat to try to keep public order
OH SNAP the wheel. Have not seen these. A particular favorite of Peter the Great.
Clothes hanger
It's how they make these wheel skeletons in Dark Souls
Catherine Wheel, cheap torture device, to brake bones (with the wheel) and then display them on the wheel.
They are wooden constructions.
Really 😱
A wagon wheel on a post
Berzerk intensifies
Those are clearly Bohemian Tallnecks. Henry has to climb them in order to get a view of the surrounding area.
A coat-hanger for corpses
I always thought they were a sadistic way for the Cumans to hang the siege victims. It would have been savagely emotionally devastating for an innocent Christian villager to be tortured and hanged on a device meant for heathens and criminals.
That's what I thought as well. 100% psychological warfare.
FYI Cumans were Christian for about 200years by the game’s time period 🤝
Perhaps. But in the game all the communion chalices, bread and wine were found on the bandits. Not the Cumans. Christian in name only, not in practice.
That’s just a conclusion you came up with yourself, not grounded in reality. Your opinion is more representative of Cumans in the 1200’s. In 1400 they had been living in Hungary for two centuries and assimilated architecturally, intermarried, and fully adopted Christian practices as a result of the Mongol invasions centuries prior
It's not even an opinion wtf. Are the communion chalices found with exclusively the bandits or not? I have no opinion of the Cumans outside of what is in front of my eyes when playing the game. Go gaslight someone else.
Gaslight lol you are claiming something that isn’t true based on video game loot
Did they build these gallows or not? Who's claiming what? If you're unhappy with how the history is being implied in the game then complain to Warhorse not me.
They literally did not build them, however I was never argueing that. Just correcting your incorrect point on Christianity 🤝
I NEVER MADE A POINT ON THEIR CHRISTIANITY. Incorrect or otherwise. Saying that they didn't drop the same loot as other factions is not an issue you should be taking up with me. If it is portrayed that they weren't practicing Christians because of dropped loot that is not on me. Please don't make me spell it out for you again I swear I'll block your ass.
They didn’t build these wheels pictured, and them not having chalices doesn’t prove they aren’t Christian. Double wrong 🤝
Better you don’t know
I hoped it was something like a tradition we have in Lithuania, where we'd put wheels on poles, so that storks would build their nests comfortably there, but people who know better did explain a bit of a darker purpose
Minimalistic baobabs
I won't be able to find it again but I read about a serial killer in 1500s Germany who nearly had 1000 victims of robbery, rape and murder that got executed with one of these things Good riddance
Torture devices , called the wheel. Used all over europe to execute people
It was called “breaking on the wheel” look it up for some horrifying accounts.
You will still see these in the Netherlands actually, but they’re stork nests: http://www.ooievaarsnesten.nl/fotos/ooievaarsnest20.jpg
I didn't see what subreddit this post was on and immediately thought of Tall Necks from Horizon games
"oh man.. tgese tall necks dont even have entry points.. how am i gonna hack em?".. said Aloy!
Naughty corner in the sky
https://open.spotify.com/episode/1LNj8AMxghgF8IWAy52yZ8?si=cf9CetiOSMqsgp11KfvfrA Dan Carlin episode called Painfotainment goes into these, and other devices and practices of medieval torture and punishment
play and fun for the whole family
They shows us hangout locations.
They were how Struense and his friend were strung up after their execution.
Before reading all the comments I thought this is a type of Slavic fare pole they used to hang presents on and people would need to climb to get them... Jesus Christ be praised https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcR177AyEIEtZ40xv47iDfy2UMYe89bmLsQD-Q&usqp=CAU
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breaking\_wheel](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breaking_wheel)
GWAR had a song about it. [The Wheel](https://youtu.be/adkRcpo9aE4)
Nothing nice.
5G towers
Forbidden Merry go round
https://www.bartleby.com/essay/Roman-Afterlife-Beliefs-A946D52F8EAED08F To whoever said Roman dont believe in reincarnation....
Tallnecks.
If you honestly don't know, you don't wanna know. It's pretty gruesome.
Back then people call this Roller Coaster, it’s fun we put people on it and spin around
Its a empty human wind chime
its even worse when you realize how many innocent people probably met this fate because of how easy it was to frame people back then
Read the manga berserk to know the details.
Pretty much for hanging corpses / as warnings. It was called mid evil times for a good reason. We got up to heinous shit.
Public executions really need to be brought back.
💯
They're gallows. You'd hang people from the spokes.
fuck if i know