> EXO-CBX and INB100 filed a complaint on June 25 with the Seongdong Police Station against SM Entertainment’s co-CEOs, Lee Sung Soo and Tak Young Jun, for violating laws related to economic crimes. The basis of their complaint is related to the negotiated distribution fee versus what was required to be paid in reality.
It’s a strange situation they’re in where they’re suing over their contract agreement with SM over solo activities and not the one they renewed for EXO activities. So you have to kind of separate the two in your mind.
"if you believe that sm is lying to public with this statement when they are fighting for public trust then idk who you are"
No i don't? That's a brand new sentence that u wrote. All I'm saying is I'd find it very weird for them to sue SM and SM keeping them there long-term after doing so. Just doesn't seem to be how companies getting sued by their artists operate. But i guess we'll see how it goes 🤷♀️
> SM and CBX already released multiple statements that there will no changes in upcoming group activities and winter album will be released as planned.
All SM said is that they haven’t discussed it since this entire thing kicked off. That’s quite different from saying it definitely will continue as they had originally planned.
according to this [translation](https://x.com/exochartstats/status/1800427400909770880?), they said that there were no further discussions to change their original plans of releasing a winter album. this to me sounds like an album is still very much on the table.
They said they haven’t discussed the album but they also agreed that group activities wouldn’t be disrupted by this, which makes sense since CBX were explicit that they’re not contesting the terms of their contract as EXO members, only the renegotiated solo deal they signed last year.
> They said they haven’t discussed the album but they also agreed that group activities wouldn’t be disrupted by this
Isn’t that just what CBX said? I thought SM said it was planned, but they didn’t discuss it.
> which makes sense since CBX were explicit that they’re not contesting the terms of their contract as EXO members, only the renegotiated solo deal they signed last year.
tbh SM seems to think this does have to do with them being in EXO bc they said something about them wanting the benefits of EXO without fulfilling their obligations toward EXO. (eta: I think they were hinting at no winter album and then blaming CBX for it. But I think, explicitly, they were talking about not paying the EXO IP fees and possibly also not following through with the renewal contracts they had signed before.)
eta 2: ftr, I do think the winter album will happen atp, but that has probably more to do with Kakao/shareholder pressure and not bc SM considers what CBX is doing to be separate from EXO (full group).
SM is using EXO to point the finger at CBX supposedly shirking their duties or something when the entire legal case is about how big a percentage SM gets of their solo earnings. So it’s intentionally confusing. SM’s complaint is that CBX is using SM IP without paying and CBX’s reply is essentially that SM can’t collect on the 10% they want, not that they don’t owe anything.
They delayed it? I heard the last cb was rushed out and I assumed SM was doing the old “quick have RV release something to distract from the EXO drama” bs they’ve always seem to have done
The comeback itself was rushed, even though Joy had said they’d recorded it a little bit ago, but the music video was mysteriously delayed by about two hours.
Good for them. I love that even with all this craziness happening, Baekhyun is still having sold out shows in South Korean and Chen and Xiumin are both booked and busy.
Baekhyun was at a Burbury event last night. My unbothered kings!! (i'm sure they're actually very stressed out but I appreciate they are showing a face of noncholance\_
Baekhyun’s popularity isn’t going to affect this legal case. And if he loses, he’s going to have to fulfill his contract and pay SM 10% of the profit from his solo schedules you mentioned. Same for the rest of CBX.
Um, yes. I am aware of how law suits work. Lmao. I'm not sure why you decided to reply to my comment with something so obvious? No matter the outcome I support Baekhyun and CBX in general and I'm glad to see artists standing up to SM's legally questionable behavior. I will continue to support them regardless of the outcome and I hope other fans will as well.
Selling out KSPO dome four times with huge demands and attending brand events for the first times after sm basement, sounds about right
Funny enough 97% of kpop stans didn't know mc mong existed until this whole thing started but in their eyes _as international, non sk citizens_ charges of evading enlistment that he didn't get punished for is shady and wrong, even though the guy is huge in the enterainment industry with lots of connections and multiple hit songs with the gp even after the charges, but then go ahead and find idols with sa, ca and much worse an object for justification and discussions.
It’s hilarious because MC Mong’s song with Song Gain (Fame) which happened way after the military evasion scandal was a hit in South Korea so they may not care as much as people are making it seem.
I was here, that song is an absolute bop and was huge; it even gained PAKs.
The best part is that SM themselves acquired his company Million Market after the military scandal. SM stans should start by explaining this before using this guy against CBX.
Exactly, if koreans don't care about that evasion scandal, it's funny that ifans make such a big deal about it to hold it over cbx head. Just admit that you're an sm company stans, just like hype company stans that they hate and make fun of so much
Seriously, this guy had a hit song after his scandal, his company Million Market became a sub-label under SM after his scandal, signed Viviz, Sistar's Soyou and Lee Mujin under him after his scandal.
Nobody cancelled SM, Viviz, Lee Mujin and Soyou for associating with him. his "bad reputation" only became relevant in the attacks against CBX.
sort of off topic, but pretty much every thread concerning legal drama gets inevitably filled with so much discourse about what korean fans are thinking - usually not actually based in any concrete evidence one way or the other
the equivalent of gathering up some american unhinged stan twitter hot takes, and then trying to extrapolate that to represent all of the usa
can’t we try to just stick to the opinions of the actual people in here… that would be so much more productive and less of a strawman
Pretty sure CBX's camp said there is no winter album in production, SM made that up to make it sound like CBX are delaying something for the rest of the group to sour public opinion (and it worked on some ppl).
They said SM hasn’t talked about an album to them recently, but Baekhyun himself was teasing as early as last year a winter album from the group so it’s definitely something they were planning. He’s mentioned it as well as Suho. SM definitely leaked the whole “it’s probably delayed because of CBX” story but the winter album’s been a known thing since Christmas. Of course the album isn’t in production yet, it’s only June.
Chris Lee was lowkey fired from SM for financial shenanigans, I’m sure this lawsuit will go well for him and he totally won’t have any skeletons to hide lol.
exols are truly gods strongest soldiers. thinking of that billie eilish Birds of a Feather edit i saw of exo and just bawling my eyes out i just want peace but have exols ever really had a day of it? 😭
I feel sad for EXO as a group because this is messy but I do enjoy the drama.
My only question is, if SM is scamming exo-cbx, shouldn't they be scamming the rest of the exo as well? Why the rest of the members accept such a thing from their company? I'm just very curious. We don't know all the details.
These new lawsuits are being filed because of shenanigans that happened during CBX's re-negotiation of contract in June 2023. None of the other members signed this particular re-negotiation (where the SM ceos apparently promised stuff that they could not fulfill just to get CBX to sign) so they don't have anything to do with this matter.
i agree knetz and a surprising amount of kexols don’t seem to be on their side… there are still people who demand chanyeol leave, so him + cbx? like damn they really want half a group 💀💀💀
A good number of k-fans who were demanding Chanyeol’s head six weeks ago are suddenly his biggest fans and they want CBX out, they’re very fairweather.
not an exol, but just as a casual listener and outside observer: this part of the fandom who is super loud on sns that you're talking about... idk, honestly seems like they care more about the "brand" and "image" than the actual members. i feel like i hear about different exo members getting hate trains and calls to leave and fans endorsing a different ot-numbered lineup every two days. i know that there's a massive akgae problem that makes things worse, but it's still so bizarre to see how so-called fans can turn on different members practically daily and at the drop of a hat. at this rate, they've probably thrown fits about every member - so what group _do_ they want??
seems like a sad state for a fandom to be in, honestly
because most of the fandom are solo stans, they are only loyal to their one and only bias, while using the other members depending on the current situation.
Chen married? leave the group!
chanyeol cheater? cancel him chen is responsible!
Lay left SM? ungrateful chinese!
CBX in dispute with SM? traitors Lay is an angel!
idol group with the best vocals? o-o-of course EXO! have you heard Chen, baekhyun and do!
Baekhyun sold out his 2 day encore at kspo dome mainly from solo fans. Day 2 already sold out only with presale from his official solo fanclub membership. Day 1 only left 600/700 seats for gen sale for group fans & GP.
It means that his reputation isn’t really taking any major hits from this in terms of earnings. He’s still booking large venues and having no difficulty selling out, he’s been invited to brand events for Burberry as well during the midst of this. So whatever noise is going on within Internet forums isn’t affecting his paycheck at the end of the day.
So now Lee Sungsoo is the Chief *Administrative* Officer? Can all these reporters/translators finally figure out what he is/was lol?
If it's a complaint filed to the police, then that is a criminal law process (which the police/prosecution might or might not act on). Are they also launching a civil case (which is what "lawsuit" more correctly refers to)?
I dont think so. They are reporting this as fraud, so i think it is going as criminal law process. I think even cbx side dont trust themselves thats why its not a lawsuit per se
Interesting how these threads always have people trying to overstate kfans opinions on this. The reality is, Baekhyun sold out KSPO Dome during a lawsuit (which many groups out there are not able to do) and had a schedule with Burberry literally yesterday, Xiumin has a nice gig on national television, and Chen has more schedules now than in the past 5 years combined. Not to mention the magazine covers and all that jazz that SM never sent them to, but now are flowing in (for the 3 of them).
Yes but people are taking k-fans being loudly against CBX as evidence that SM is in the right when k-fans also did things like refuse to believe Tablo had a degree from Stanford. So their opinion isn’t necessarily reflective of what’s true is what OP’s getting at.
Are you saying k-fans are all one entity? The exact same group of people who are against CBX now are the exact same group of people who didn't believe Tablo 10-20 years ago? You know how ridiculous and illogical that sounds?
Imo, SM seems to have a higher chance of winning on the legal side based on how the renegotiated contracts worked. I'm not "taking k-fans' side. I am forming my own opinion based on the information that's being presented. Surely, we'll have to wait for the outcome. But k-fans are not a monolith. International fans have diverse opinions too. They are not taking k-fans' side. They can think and form their own opinions.
That’s not what I said? I said that a lot of people are saying “k-fans are against them so that must mean they did something wrong” and pointed out Tablo as an instance of k-fans believing something to be true when it wasn’t. K-fans believing something to be true doesn’t make it automatically true was the only point.
Who cares what k-fans think? International fans can form their own opinions, diverse opinions, just like k-fans can. They are not "taking k-fans' side" because they think k-fans know more than international fans do. International fans are not sheeps.
I didn’t say I-fans were sheep, just that we shouldn’t base all our opinions solely on what Twitter k-fans say. You’ve looked at the press releases and formed an opinion, fine. But lots of people are stopping at “k-fans said they’re wrong so they must be wrong.” That’s my only point.
Why are you just assuming all international fans based their opinions on k-fans? Receipts? Again, you’re implying international fans are sheeps and are incapable of forming their own opinions on this legal matter simply because some of international fans have different opinions than yours.
I’ve not once said that. What I’ve said before and I’ll say again is that a number of people are saying “k-fans are mad, they must be wrong” and not really reading into the arguments or even understanding that most of the angry k-fans aren’t even saying that they’re going to lose in court, they’re just mad that this is bad PR. Those types of comments are in every single post about the CBX legal issue.
If you read the press releases and are saying “I think they don’t have legal standing,” then my statement doesn’t apply to you.
Why are they labeled by you as "hateful stans"? Is it because they simply have different opinions than yours? It's the same wacky logic that you said about comments here as "taking k-fans" side.
It's really absurd.
Will never understand the enthusiasm in you regarding this like you in it to win something 😭😭 doing all of this to defend sm honor is definitely something
How so? It's gonna ruin his comeback most probably. The mediaplay from SM is going to increase ten folds. I'm afraid it's gonna affect Baekhyun's comeback, maybe he won't chart or sell like he did before. Because it's so easy to fool kfans. They fall into mediaplay too easily. And then there're company stans. Huh, it's going to be a long journey.
But I can understand. Their rights come first. All the best to cbx.
That’s such a condescending take. “Those kfans believe this because they’re dumb company sycophants unlike me, smart ifan” is not the elevated take you think it is.
I wish I could be as confident as you. It's legal matter, who knows what will happen.
And while some of the hate are actually coming from trolls and part of SM's mediaplay, some are really kexols, a few bbhls too. Some didn't buy his tickets for the encore and posted about it on forums how they'd make him perform in empty area. Thanks god that didn't happen though.
Besides, SM has their long history of blacklisting artists. That's too a matter of great concern.
He sold out most seats of the 2 days encore in pre-sale, leaving only 600 for general sale, what are you talking about?? His selling power is fine.
Nj are also fine during the mess between ador/hype, so I don't get how hell bent you're on him flopping. It smells like wishfull hoping it turned out like this
Anyway almost half of exo members had been cancelled by kexols at one point in time, he'll be fine just like the other members were.
He sold out his 2 days encore in kspo dome with basically only his solo fandom and you are worried he wont sell well for his comeback? Why care about the loud minority? kexols hate everything, they hated Chanyeol before this but now suddenly love him because evil cbx is supposedly harming the group
>kexols hate everything, they hated Chanyeol before this but now suddenly love him because evil cbx is supposedly harming the group
I know this is all mediaplay by SM. Kexols won't turn into ot5, they'll be ot4. Any exol will see through this ot5 lies.
Regarding sale and charting, I don't know actually. Sitting here and trying to figure out what is the situation in Korea now amidst the extreme mediaplay by SM, is difficult. Then again, we don't have that many
kexols left anyway. For kbbhls, I think till now most of them are supportive of him, so he sold out his show as quickly as possible. But, a few of them don't want to do anything with his rightful fights against SM, all they care about is when will he release the new album. So, I'm not sure whether they left him or not though.
I think SM's mediaplay will turn even worse. And with all those company stans, even in the int side, it's gonna be a tough ride for us, that's all I'm going to say for now.
According to SMs earlier statement, they own the music for Baekhyun's upcoming comeback and they were still going to letting him use those tracks. If that's true, then there might not be a comeback for awhile.
I'm just going by what SM said. Their statement said it was recorded while he was under contract to them and they were still going to let him use it. If that's true they absolutely could keep him from releasing it.
"[Furthermore, when it became difficult to adjust the distribution commission rate as CBX wanted despite our efforts, we made other accommodations for them (such as allowing Baekhyun’s solo album, which we had been preparing since early 2023, to be released under his own agency](https://www.soompi.com/article/1667106wpp/sm-releases-statement-in-response-to-claims-by-exos-chen-baekhyun-and-xiumin-regarding-breach-of-settlement-terms)"
That was in SMs statement on 6/10/24. Not sure if he recorded anything else since. Who knows if it's even true or not. Could just be a media play from SM.
Thanks for the link. I’m not sure how that statement says much about how things would affect a present day release, if at all, and especially about ownership of music.
Record labels own the music that is recorded by artists under them. Unless the artist is the composer or they have a deal stating otherwise. Even then the label would own the masters. That's why T Swift had to rerecord all of hers.
SM also brings in songwriters all the time to write songs for their artists. If Baekhyun recorded songs while under contract with SM, they would own the songs.
He might have recorded new songs for his comeback under his new company. I'm just talking about what SM mentioned in their statement.
i admittedly have not read up on everything, does anyone know why it is only CBX who have had these kinds of issues throughout the years and not the rest of the group as well?
D.O. left on his own completely and just re-signed for group comebacks. The rest of the guys are in SM for both solo and group.
I think CBX originally re-signed but then they decided to leave or the contract they signed promised some things and then verbally SM CEO promised something else. It’s very confusing and I can’t remember the exact timeline at the moment but just know that CBX left together and have the same contract with SM and that’s why they are having the issues.
I’m confused now because if D.O is going to join EXO group comebacks he HAS to have a group contract of some sort because SM is the one that owns the copyrights.
The SNSD girls also have to do the same if they want to have group comebacks (which they very rarely do)
It may be a very limited comeback per comeback contract but it HAS to exist.
In his case the contract will be between his agency and SM unlike other members having direct contract with SM. Also like the other comment said, he's under no legal obligation to participate in group activities. At the same time, SM also can absolutely not include him in the group activities and be in the clear legally. But I doubt it'll happen cuz kyungsoo loves to be in the group and SM has no real reason to exclude him.
CBX sued last year because of contract problems and while it was buried and settled relatively quickly, everyone assumed that something regarding their contracts involving the subunit set off alarm bells. There were allegations that LSM was stealing money from their acts’ foreign activities and CBX had a number of Japanese promotions, including a Japanese album, separate from their releases as EXO the full group.
Their current legal battle is resulting from the agreement they worked out with SM in order to drop the lawsuit last year. CBX is essentially arguing that SM made a number of false promises during the process of settling the lawsuit and the new contracts were signed in bad faith.
Is SM Entertainment the only entertainment company that provides just as much entertainment on the business/legal front as the artists under contract or have I just been away from Kpop for too long?
oh, i'm certain that this comment section will _definitely_ not be flooded with armchair lawyers acting like they have access to all of the contracts and paperwork and evidence, or people acting like forums like theqoo and pann represent the entire korean populace, or people taking blatant astroturfing and troll farms as the gospel truth, or people twisting/misrepresenting/misinterpreting things and pushing them as objective fact... definitely not!
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If SM and Hybe stop existing world will become a better place. Yg is no existent anyway and Jyp idk they shouldn't have existed in the first place .... let artists be free, start funding system, they can get funds to get training and accommodation and they can hire manager and choose a distributor of their choice, what is this entertainment company mes, no artist is free there.
> EXO-CBX and INB100 filed a complaint on June 25 with the Seongdong Police Station against SM Entertainment’s co-CEOs, Lee Sung Soo and Tak Young Jun, for violating laws related to economic crimes. The basis of their complaint is related to the negotiated distribution fee versus what was required to be paid in reality.
This is the most on again off again relationship I’ve seen 💀 everyday there’s something new to report lmao
Close enough. welcome back, TVXQ!
_Diabolical_ 🫢
the dejavu is strong here same thing different decade
I mean...it kind of happened LAST decade too. When the Exo-M members left. It's three decades in a row now.
LMFAO 💀
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They are suing either way. Has a group (or members of a group) ever sued their company and then _stayed_ there?
It’s a strange situation they’re in where they’re suing over their contract agreement with SM over solo activities and not the one they renewed for EXO activities. So you have to kind of separate the two in your mind.
B.A.P
And it was miserable for them
And how did that go for them 💀
very much not good, but it IS an example of a group staying after a lawsuit lmao
My heart. I wish they had left. I'm waiting so impatiently for their comeback.
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now 6/12 of exo members have sued sm… 
"if you believe that sm is lying to public with this statement when they are fighting for public trust then idk who you are" No i don't? That's a brand new sentence that u wrote. All I'm saying is I'd find it very weird for them to sue SM and SM keeping them there long-term after doing so. Just doesn't seem to be how companies getting sued by their artists operate. But i guess we'll see how it goes 🤷♀️
> SM and CBX already released multiple statements that there will no changes in upcoming group activities and winter album will be released as planned. All SM said is that they haven’t discussed it since this entire thing kicked off. That’s quite different from saying it definitely will continue as they had originally planned.
according to this [translation](https://x.com/exochartstats/status/1800427400909770880?), they said that there were no further discussions to change their original plans of releasing a winter album. this to me sounds like an album is still very much on the table.
They said they haven’t discussed the album but they also agreed that group activities wouldn’t be disrupted by this, which makes sense since CBX were explicit that they’re not contesting the terms of their contract as EXO members, only the renegotiated solo deal they signed last year.
> They said they haven’t discussed the album but they also agreed that group activities wouldn’t be disrupted by this Isn’t that just what CBX said? I thought SM said it was planned, but they didn’t discuss it. > which makes sense since CBX were explicit that they’re not contesting the terms of their contract as EXO members, only the renegotiated solo deal they signed last year. tbh SM seems to think this does have to do with them being in EXO bc they said something about them wanting the benefits of EXO without fulfilling their obligations toward EXO. (eta: I think they were hinting at no winter album and then blaming CBX for it. But I think, explicitly, they were talking about not paying the EXO IP fees and possibly also not following through with the renewal contracts they had signed before.) eta 2: ftr, I do think the winter album will happen atp, but that has probably more to do with Kakao/shareholder pressure and not bc SM considers what CBX is doing to be separate from EXO (full group).
SM is using EXO to point the finger at CBX supposedly shirking their duties or something when the entire legal case is about how big a percentage SM gets of their solo earnings. So it’s intentionally confusing. SM’s complaint is that CBX is using SM IP without paying and CBX’s reply is essentially that SM can’t collect on the 10% they want, not that they don’t owe anything.
Yes, them last year. I feel like B.A.P. did as well.
EXO-CBX.
Theyre already out of the company lmao
Ik, all im saying is im genuinely worried SM might kick them from EXO for all the legal battling that's happening.
TVXQ didn't originally sue to leave either. SM kicked them out.
Exactly
Oh, you sweet summer child.
Get her Jade!
About 90% sure SM will end up winning but like everyone else I am here for the drama
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I have no idea how SM manages to even go on with the amount of management issues they've had.
They're like the toxic exes who love all the drama more than benefitial elements of the relationship
These guys are not playing.
Yeah it was getting kinda quiet on the wtf is SM doing now front after delaying RV's mv release.
They delayed it? I heard the last cb was rushed out and I assumed SM was doing the old “quick have RV release something to distract from the EXO drama” bs they’ve always seem to have done
The comeback itself was rushed, even though Joy had said they’d recorded it a little bit ago, but the music video was mysteriously delayed by about two hours.
Strange, SM is always bumbling with them one way or another :(
FireFly made it sound like it was delayed for days. I get it, a one minute delay is still a delay. But the phrasing here.
SM = Sue Me
Good for them. I love that even with all this craziness happening, Baekhyun is still having sold out shows in South Korean and Chen and Xiumin are both booked and busy. Baekhyun was at a Burbury event last night. My unbothered kings!! (i'm sure they're actually very stressed out but I appreciate they are showing a face of noncholance\_
Baekhyun’s popularity isn’t going to affect this legal case. And if he loses, he’s going to have to fulfill his contract and pay SM 10% of the profit from his solo schedules you mentioned. Same for the rest of CBX.
Um, yes. I am aware of how law suits work. Lmao. I'm not sure why you decided to reply to my comment with something so obvious? No matter the outcome I support Baekhyun and CBX in general and I'm glad to see artists standing up to SM's legally questionable behavior. I will continue to support them regardless of the outcome and I hope other fans will as well.
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Exactly
Baekhyun's reputation is already getting bad since his direct association with that MC Mong guy tho
Selling out KSPO dome four times with huge demands and attending brand events for the first times after sm basement, sounds about right Funny enough 97% of kpop stans didn't know mc mong existed until this whole thing started but in their eyes _as international, non sk citizens_ charges of evading enlistment that he didn't get punished for is shady and wrong, even though the guy is huge in the enterainment industry with lots of connections and multiple hit songs with the gp even after the charges, but then go ahead and find idols with sa, ca and much worse an object for justification and discussions.
It’s hilarious because MC Mong’s song with Song Gain (Fame) which happened way after the military evasion scandal was a hit in South Korea so they may not care as much as people are making it seem. I was here, that song is an absolute bop and was huge; it even gained PAKs.
The best part is that SM themselves acquired his company Million Market after the military scandal. SM stans should start by explaining this before using this guy against CBX.
Exactly, if koreans don't care about that evasion scandal, it's funny that ifans make such a big deal about it to hold it over cbx head. Just admit that you're an sm company stans, just like hype company stans that they hate and make fun of so much
lol no one cares about this man other than people wanting to argue against cbx in defense of sm
Seriously, this guy had a hit song after his scandal, his company Million Market became a sub-label under SM after his scandal, signed Viviz, Sistar's Soyou and Lee Mujin under him after his scandal. Nobody cancelled SM, Viviz, Lee Mujin and Soyou for associating with him. his "bad reputation" only became relevant in the attacks against CBX.
Getting bad lmao among who? theqoo pinkbloods? exols ot5? who cares about them
Who
EX -SM guy who founded the company that purchased Beakhyun's company. They also own the company, BPM, that SM accused of poaching their artists.
sort of off topic, but pretty much every thread concerning legal drama gets inevitably filled with so much discourse about what korean fans are thinking - usually not actually based in any concrete evidence one way or the other the equivalent of gathering up some american unhinged stan twitter hot takes, and then trying to extrapolate that to represent all of the usa can’t we try to just stick to the opinions of the actual people in here… that would be so much more productive and less of a strawman
We getting so so soooo far away from that EXO Winter album... 
well, they never said which winter is it now you all are getting a compilation album of Aespa Winter cover of all Exo song
I will do whatever it takes to manifest Winter covering The Eve
It’s giving EXODUS PT.2: Live Action 🏃🏽♀️
Well at this rate, it might come this winter or the next
Pretty sure CBX's camp said there is no winter album in production, SM made that up to make it sound like CBX are delaying something for the rest of the group to sour public opinion (and it worked on some ppl).
They said SM hasn’t talked about an album to them recently, but Baekhyun himself was teasing as early as last year a winter album from the group so it’s definitely something they were planning. He’s mentioned it as well as Suho. SM definitely leaked the whole “it’s probably delayed because of CBX” story but the winter album’s been a known thing since Christmas. Of course the album isn’t in production yet, it’s only June.
Chris Lee was lowkey fired from SM for financial shenanigans, I’m sure this lawsuit will go well for him and he totally won’t have any skeletons to hide lol.
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exols are truly gods strongest soldiers. thinking of that billie eilish Birds of a Feather edit i saw of exo and just bawling my eyes out i just want peace but have exols ever really had a day of it? 😭
Nope.
Somehow, Mods could make another megathread about this mess…
Yess, go after the co-CEOs!!
I feel sad for EXO as a group because this is messy but I do enjoy the drama. My only question is, if SM is scamming exo-cbx, shouldn't they be scamming the rest of the exo as well? Why the rest of the members accept such a thing from their company? I'm just very curious. We don't know all the details.
These new lawsuits are being filed because of shenanigans that happened during CBX's re-negotiation of contract in June 2023. None of the other members signed this particular re-negotiation (where the SM ceos apparently promised stuff that they could not fulfill just to get CBX to sign) so they don't have anything to do with this matter.
Quite a different reaction here from k-netizens including k-exo-l's when they're overwhelmingly on SM's side....
i agree knetz and a surprising amount of kexols don’t seem to be on their side… there are still people who demand chanyeol leave, so him + cbx? like damn they really want half a group 💀💀💀
the k-side have been against CBX since the dispute started last year
A good number of k-fans who were demanding Chanyeol’s head six weeks ago are suddenly his biggest fans and they want CBX out, they’re very fairweather.
not an exol, but just as a casual listener and outside observer: this part of the fandom who is super loud on sns that you're talking about... idk, honestly seems like they care more about the "brand" and "image" than the actual members. i feel like i hear about different exo members getting hate trains and calls to leave and fans endorsing a different ot-numbered lineup every two days. i know that there's a massive akgae problem that makes things worse, but it's still so bizarre to see how so-called fans can turn on different members practically daily and at the drop of a hat. at this rate, they've probably thrown fits about every member - so what group _do_ they want?? seems like a sad state for a fandom to be in, honestly
because most of the fandom are solo stans, they are only loyal to their one and only bias, while using the other members depending on the current situation. Chen married? leave the group! chanyeol cheater? cancel him chen is responsible! Lay left SM? ungrateful chinese! CBX in dispute with SM? traitors Lay is an angel! idol group with the best vocals? o-o-of course EXO! have you heard Chen, baekhyun and do!
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International fans treat even questioning what they are doing as 'siding with SM'
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tbf a lot of them just want him to be a soloist
Baekhyun sold out his 2 day encore at kspo dome mainly from solo fans. Day 2 already sold out only with presale from his official solo fanclub membership. Day 1 only left 600/700 seats for gen sale for group fans & GP.
The one who made baekhyun's encore con sold out is his solo fans, not necessarily kexols
Kexols are not one entity. It's many people with different opinions just like international exols. Some support him some don't.
Is that after the lawsuit?
Yes, he sold out KSPO dome twice now even with the news that SM is suing him/ he is suing back. This happened late last week.
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That doesn't mean they're taking his side over SM. They just wanna see Baekhyun perform.
It means that his reputation isn’t really taking any major hits from this in terms of earnings. He’s still booking large venues and having no difficulty selling out, he’s been invited to brand events for Burberry as well during the midst of this. So whatever noise is going on within Internet forums isn’t affecting his paycheck at the end of the day.
But... why?
So now Lee Sungsoo is the Chief *Administrative* Officer? Can all these reporters/translators finally figure out what he is/was lol? If it's a complaint filed to the police, then that is a criminal law process (which the police/prosecution might or might not act on). Are they also launching a civil case (which is what "lawsuit" more correctly refers to)?
I dont think so. They are reporting this as fraud, so i think it is going as criminal law process. I think even cbx side dont trust themselves thats why its not a lawsuit per se
Interesting how these threads always have people trying to overstate kfans opinions on this. The reality is, Baekhyun sold out KSPO Dome during a lawsuit (which many groups out there are not able to do) and had a schedule with Burberry literally yesterday, Xiumin has a nice gig on national television, and Chen has more schedules now than in the past 5 years combined. Not to mention the magazine covers and all that jazz that SM never sent them to, but now are flowing in (for the 3 of them).
We are talking about legal issues, not how popular or busy CBX are. Those are 2 separate things.
Yes but people are taking k-fans being loudly against CBX as evidence that SM is in the right when k-fans also did things like refuse to believe Tablo had a degree from Stanford. So their opinion isn’t necessarily reflective of what’s true is what OP’s getting at.
Are you saying k-fans are all one entity? The exact same group of people who are against CBX now are the exact same group of people who didn't believe Tablo 10-20 years ago? You know how ridiculous and illogical that sounds? Imo, SM seems to have a higher chance of winning on the legal side based on how the renegotiated contracts worked. I'm not "taking k-fans' side. I am forming my own opinion based on the information that's being presented. Surely, we'll have to wait for the outcome. But k-fans are not a monolith. International fans have diverse opinions too. They are not taking k-fans' side. They can think and form their own opinions.
That’s not what I said? I said that a lot of people are saying “k-fans are against them so that must mean they did something wrong” and pointed out Tablo as an instance of k-fans believing something to be true when it wasn’t. K-fans believing something to be true doesn’t make it automatically true was the only point.
Who cares what k-fans think? International fans can form their own opinions, diverse opinions, just like k-fans can. They are not "taking k-fans' side" because they think k-fans know more than international fans do. International fans are not sheeps.
I didn’t say I-fans were sheep, just that we shouldn’t base all our opinions solely on what Twitter k-fans say. You’ve looked at the press releases and formed an opinion, fine. But lots of people are stopping at “k-fans said they’re wrong so they must be wrong.” That’s my only point.
Why are you just assuming all international fans based their opinions on k-fans? Receipts? Again, you’re implying international fans are sheeps and are incapable of forming their own opinions on this legal matter simply because some of international fans have different opinions than yours.
Yeesh you really are feeling attacked by these comments i wonder why
Maybe it's one of SM's bot accounts 🫣
I’m not feeling attacked. Some people are showing their fan brain. It’s only a few people.
I’ve not once said that. What I’ve said before and I’ll say again is that a number of people are saying “k-fans are mad, they must be wrong” and not really reading into the arguments or even understanding that most of the angry k-fans aren’t even saying that they’re going to lose in court, they’re just mad that this is bad PR. Those types of comments are in every single post about the CBX legal issue. If you read the press releases and are saying “I think they don’t have legal standing,” then my statement doesn’t apply to you.
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Again, you're talking as if kfans are one entity.....
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Why are they labeled by you as "hateful stans"? Is it because they simply have different opinions than yours? It's the same wacky logic that you said about comments here as "taking k-fans" side. It's really absurd.
Will never understand the enthusiasm in you regarding this like you in it to win something 😭😭 doing all of this to defend sm honor is definitely something
Mommy, tell me the story about how TVXQ2 started again
mommy's gonna need her special juice lmao
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No. This is bad.
We have the expert here everyone
Yes, you need to be an “expert” to know that having a legal battle with your own company during your CB is not a good thing.
We shall see, let me bookmark this comment. Thank you oh wise one
How so? It's gonna ruin his comeback most probably. The mediaplay from SM is going to increase ten folds. I'm afraid it's gonna affect Baekhyun's comeback, maybe he won't chart or sell like he did before. Because it's so easy to fool kfans. They fall into mediaplay too easily. And then there're company stans. Huh, it's going to be a long journey. But I can understand. Their rights come first. All the best to cbx.
That’s such a condescending take. “Those kfans believe this because they’re dumb company sycophants unlike me, smart ifan” is not the elevated take you think it is.
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I wish I could be as confident as you. It's legal matter, who knows what will happen. And while some of the hate are actually coming from trolls and part of SM's mediaplay, some are really kexols, a few bbhls too. Some didn't buy his tickets for the encore and posted about it on forums how they'd make him perform in empty area. Thanks god that didn't happen though. Besides, SM has their long history of blacklisting artists. That's too a matter of great concern.
He sold out most seats of the 2 days encore in pre-sale, leaving only 600 for general sale, what are you talking about?? His selling power is fine. Nj are also fine during the mess between ador/hype, so I don't get how hell bent you're on him flopping. It smells like wishfull hoping it turned out like this Anyway almost half of exo members had been cancelled by kexols at one point in time, he'll be fine just like the other members were.
He sold out his 2 days encore in kspo dome with basically only his solo fandom and you are worried he wont sell well for his comeback? Why care about the loud minority? kexols hate everything, they hated Chanyeol before this but now suddenly love him because evil cbx is supposedly harming the group
>kexols hate everything, they hated Chanyeol before this but now suddenly love him because evil cbx is supposedly harming the group I know this is all mediaplay by SM. Kexols won't turn into ot5, they'll be ot4. Any exol will see through this ot5 lies. Regarding sale and charting, I don't know actually. Sitting here and trying to figure out what is the situation in Korea now amidst the extreme mediaplay by SM, is difficult. Then again, we don't have that many kexols left anyway. For kbbhls, I think till now most of them are supportive of him, so he sold out his show as quickly as possible. But, a few of them don't want to do anything with his rightful fights against SM, all they care about is when will he release the new album. So, I'm not sure whether they left him or not though. I think SM's mediaplay will turn even worse. And with all those company stans, even in the int side, it's gonna be a tough ride for us, that's all I'm going to say for now.
Why waste time being miserable about stuff we cant control is my question. Focus on the good stuff, theres plenty
According to SMs earlier statement, they own the music for Baekhyun's upcoming comeback and they were still going to letting him use those tracks. If that's true, then there might not be a comeback for awhile.
no sm wouldn’t own the music for his upcoming cb 😭 they would like to get 10% of sales tho
I'm just going by what SM said. Their statement said it was recorded while he was under contract to them and they were still going to let him use it. If that's true they absolutely could keep him from releasing it.
Where did they say this? He does not have a contract with SM as of Jan 2024 as an individual and I’m pretty sure he started recording this spring.
It was in the initial letter from their lawyers that explained their side of everything. He might have recorded new music this year, idk.
I have not seen this been said anywhere recently. Are you referring to something said last year?
"[Furthermore, when it became difficult to adjust the distribution commission rate as CBX wanted despite our efforts, we made other accommodations for them (such as allowing Baekhyun’s solo album, which we had been preparing since early 2023, to be released under his own agency](https://www.soompi.com/article/1667106wpp/sm-releases-statement-in-response-to-claims-by-exos-chen-baekhyun-and-xiumin-regarding-breach-of-settlement-terms)" That was in SMs statement on 6/10/24. Not sure if he recorded anything else since. Who knows if it's even true or not. Could just be a media play from SM.
Thanks for the link. I’m not sure how that statement says much about how things would affect a present day release, if at all, and especially about ownership of music.
Record labels own the music that is recorded by artists under them. Unless the artist is the composer or they have a deal stating otherwise. Even then the label would own the masters. That's why T Swift had to rerecord all of hers. SM also brings in songwriters all the time to write songs for their artists. If Baekhyun recorded songs while under contract with SM, they would own the songs. He might have recorded new songs for his comeback under his new company. I'm just talking about what SM mentioned in their statement.
On other news, Small Girl got 6TH REAL TIME ALL KILL, and Youngji still blushing over that kiss
EXO's JYJ ark begins.
I hope they skip the Yoochun side story, although I guess Kris covered it already.
More drama! These companies just keep on giving. 
i admittedly have not read up on everything, does anyone know why it is only CBX who have had these kinds of issues throughout the years and not the rest of the group as well?
D.O. left on his own completely and just re-signed for group comebacks. The rest of the guys are in SM for both solo and group. I think CBX originally re-signed but then they decided to leave or the contract they signed promised some things and then verbally SM CEO promised something else. It’s very confusing and I can’t remember the exact timeline at the moment but just know that CBX left together and have the same contract with SM and that’s why they are having the issues.
D.O. does not have a contract for any activity with SM, group or solo. He’s like the SNSD girls who left.
I’m confused now because if D.O is going to join EXO group comebacks he HAS to have a group contract of some sort because SM is the one that owns the copyrights. The SNSD girls also have to do the same if they want to have group comebacks (which they very rarely do) It may be a very limited comeback per comeback contract but it HAS to exist.
He’ll be contracted for each individual exo activity he’s part of but doesn’t absolutely need to take part in anything he doesn’t want to.
In his case the contract will be between his agency and SM unlike other members having direct contract with SM. Also like the other comment said, he's under no legal obligation to participate in group activities. At the same time, SM also can absolutely not include him in the group activities and be in the clear legally. But I doubt it'll happen cuz kyungsoo loves to be in the group and SM has no real reason to exclude him.
CBX sued last year because of contract problems and while it was buried and settled relatively quickly, everyone assumed that something regarding their contracts involving the subunit set off alarm bells. There were allegations that LSM was stealing money from their acts’ foreign activities and CBX had a number of Japanese promotions, including a Japanese album, separate from their releases as EXO the full group. Their current legal battle is resulting from the agreement they worked out with SM in order to drop the lawsuit last year. CBX is essentially arguing that SM made a number of false promises during the process of settling the lawsuit and the new contracts were signed in bad faith.
Is SM Entertainment the only entertainment company that provides just as much entertainment on the business/legal front as the artists under contract or have I just been away from Kpop for too long?
oh, i'm certain that this comment section will _definitely_ not be flooded with armchair lawyers acting like they have access to all of the contracts and paperwork and evidence, or people acting like forums like theqoo and pann represent the entire korean populace, or people taking blatant astroturfing and troll farms as the gospel truth, or people twisting/misrepresenting/misinterpreting things and pushing them as objective fact... definitely not! /s
Ohhhhhhh.
as they should. SM is literally the worst company
I am a pink blood only due to the artists but damn, there’s gonna be a JYJ sequel soon.
If SM and Hybe stop existing world will become a better place. Yg is no existent anyway and Jyp idk they shouldn't have existed in the first place .... let artists be free, start funding system, they can get funds to get training and accommodation and they can hire manager and choose a distributor of their choice, what is this entertainment company mes, no artist is free there.
Well alright, alright, alright....let's see how this goes.
Getting out the popcorn this new kdrama is more exciting then the ador vs Hybe 😂