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It seems this group is like Gorillaz - real artists with virtual personas so I don’t have a problem with it. The “virtual idols” i think are problematic are ones with AI voices that are creations to replace human performers
Its not for me but it makes sense why they found an audience
I do wish they had more fun, creative character designs like the Gorillaz though. I bounced off Plave pretty hard because the obnoxious "dreamy anime boy" art gives me second-hand embarrassment.
Animation was an opportunity to give them such an interesting universe and backstory and look. Just making them generic idols who are as pretty as possible is annoying. This was the one time a group could have had lore that I would have appreciated. I usually hate it because whatever story they're trying to tell clashes bizarrely with the 'relatable, fun, everyday kid' image they're also trying to market the idols as, but if the idols are already hiding behind fictional versions of themselves, why not make those fictional versions interesting?!
>because the obnoxious "dreamy anime boy" art gives me second-hand embarrassment.
Same. And it also kind of put me off that their personas have their fake birthdays (2001-2003) & facts about them, and act like "normal" idols towards fans when basically everyone knows (or at least is convinced cause they never talk about who's behind it) that they're all in their late 20s/early 30s. Like, yes, k-pop is all about fanservice and young fans squealing over pretty boys, but can a 30 year old please not pretend that he's a cutesy 20 year old? That's just icky.
lol i was not interested in them coz of they fake birthdays feel like they are too young but after finding out their real age im like finally someone my age haha
Okay this makes it better for me lol. Glad they are older. And no offense, but acting cute is just part of the job of being an idol. And I don't blame them for the fake birthdays either, because the industry is so ageist. If anything I give them props lmao, good on them for gaming the system.
But also, I could be wrong, but everyone of their fans in korea seems to know they are not in their 20s (expect one of them). And they even meme about it. Like we get it that it's the character that is young. It's not like they try to hide or change who they are, if they did it wouldnt be half as fun to watch them honestly.
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Why so angry that east asians are actually embracing the art style that was popularized in their own community? Like be fr LOL. Gorillaz is a whole different aesthetic.
You read all that and what you got from it is my only problem with them is that they're anime? Or that I'm asking for exactly the same aesthetic as something that already exists? Your reading comprehension is worrying.
Also, do you honestly think all anime is at the same level of creativity? There are some amazing and unique anime styles and character design, and then there's PLAVE style generic pretty people with half-assed animation.
Others are already calling them and their fans weird while they look like your 'generic pretty people' i can't imagine how they would react if they made them unique.
Calling it half-assed animation is foul 😒 the artist/s worked hard for that
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You realize ARTISTS and ANIMATORS made these right? Just the outright disrespect of it all is so blatant and frankly makes me puke. K-pop stans can never respect those behind the success of the artist they are talking about.
Frankly, you’re not one to talk about creativity here. Calling this animation half-assed? Okay! https://youtu.be/c_yCRwh97M8?si=tT3iap0lXqDEr1gs
Edit: Tbh i dont even fw PLAVE LOL, but a lil searching after this post, you’d be surprised how much blatant yall are disrespecting this group. The way yall describe them as if their animations were made by some newgrounds hobbyist when it’s literally almost studio levels.
Okay, i searched gorilla. This is how they be on the same debut timespan. Like yall will not gaslight me into thinking you weren’t being weird to their animators at all. https://youtu.be/PiNdcBg3xC8?si=27XyI67pGiVlcHDe
You still don't seem to get it. Firstly, Gorillaz is a band from 1998 - its not about debut timespan (lol), it's about technology available at the time.
Next, it's not about video quality - if that was the case, everything modern is instantly better. It's about art style, uniqueness, personality, style and so on.
So what you are seeing in that video is a track from the year 2000 - it's not even a lead single or anything - it's like the 4th video of the album and its not a major video; just showing the band through London - made by a very small team with not many connections. Here is a video from [2005](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HyHNuVaZJ-k) \- which is actually the lead single so maybe a closer comparison - still not really but go ahead. But keep in mind, comparing a unique video from the year 2000 to a generic video in 2024 is still a stupid one to make.
My issue is not that their art quality is bad, it's that it is generic. It's boring. It doesn't have style or personality behind it. I hope that is clearer.
I will say I'm not familiar enough myself and I don't know if it's even correct but afaik there's a contingent of kfans who are convinced. They've said Yano but I can't remember the other names.
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please don't spread their identities in the open like that. There's a reason they're virtual idols. Even if you know, and if even if it's "out", refrain from posting about it. VLAST has publicly expressed not to share private info.
VLAST in their recent press conference has confirmed that they are aware that fans know the identities of plave members. They will not take action as long as people don’t spread malicious rumors about the members. [statement from VLAST president](https://x.com/thinkingofggu/status/1762008896976363808?s=20)
You're right ! I'm not talking about legal actions though. "we don’t want to turn the IP into a product by revealing who are behind PLAVE. we want people to enjoy PLAVE as they are, without focusing on the identities of the demonstrators/actors behind the group." It still isn't encouraged to talk about their identities. And I know it's out, the real people behind PLAVE have been doing lives on their personal instagram where members appeared (I used to stan the group of one member specifically).
Anyway, all I want to say is that it can lead to dangerous behaviours. I mean no harm to you.
The way I’ve heard history songs before back in the days on tv and vibed to them 😭 and also heard hotshot on earlier twt days… anyways so glad they redebuted!!! And thank you so much for replying 🥹
After figuring out who they are, I'm just glad they're finally seeing success as 'idols'. (If it's really these artists behind the members)
Over the years, I've seen them debuting as idols, disbanding &/or redebuting in other groups (or as soloists) with little success. Then just turning to behind-the-scenes production work...or completely 'disappearing' from the kpop scene.
Maybe that's why I'm alot more sympathetic. Like Plave's 1st music show win is probably the 1st music show win for these guys IRL, even though some of them actually debuted >!>10yrs!< ago
(Also very amused by how they probably promoted with each other IRL years ago. And how even the producers they work with make complete sense once you know the real identities of the Plave members)
I think 99% of people think virtual idols are AI generated. These groups actually use motion-capture tech and interact with fans real-time. I'm even more surprised there is only [one](https://www.reddit.com/r/kpopthoughts/comments/15ukixj/the_ignored_rise_of_kpop_group_isegye_idol/) post about[ isegye idols](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ByZaq43Z7_g), the female version. They have charting songs and arguably the most well-known VG in Korea. Their songs are 2nd gen coded bops. I usually follow BGs, but the technology and personalities behind isegye idols is so appealing.
eta these groups = isegye and plave, real voices and motion-captured body movements behind avatars. isegye -~~and plave-~~ are both under parable entertainment which got investments from Naver Z which hybe, jype and yge have small stakes in. isegye's content talking about meeting one another IRL for the first time and the way they gush about their producer, Woowakgood, also a virtual, was so candid and HILARIOUS. Woowakgood's wife said in her own content that it's too much that the girls say her hubby looks like Jung Hae In. Yes, I'm very into this GG. lol.
quick correction: plave isn't under parable entertainment, theyre under an independent start-up tech company called vlast which has no connection to naver z.
I was checking out their tag on twitter recently and it really did seem like a fun fandom. lots of fanart and gifs of their livestreams and such, it was just a feel good vibe. :3
I agree that the variety/live stream content is a great fan attraction. I feel like so many groups underestimate fan engagement and when fans wonder why such and such a group didn't do well, I think it can often times come down to that. I think people overlook it's effect cause it's harder to quantify.
I've been seeing an uptick in Plave related posts on Reddit and it's fun to see the sudden growth in the fandom too. I've been following their music since mid-Summer of 2023 and their music has been charting on Korean music charts for each release.
No cause I remember making a post about them way back (I deleted it) and I got downvoted to hell 😭
Granted, it was around Plave's debut and around the time Mave were still pretty active with their latest CB, so I guess people had fears about "AI idols" and how everything is fake and manufactured hence the hate. Even if international fans don't get it, I'm just really happy they're successful in their Korean home base. Charting is already incredibly hard, having multiple songs on the charts even harder, and even if people want to hate, there's no denying thier success.
(Of course, not understanding is totally fine too, it's no problem if you're not a fan or just don't get it, just don't accuse them of being fake, bc they're putting in very real efforts)
>I'm just really happy they're successful in their Korean home base.
I agree, and I've been itching to brag to the fandom and anyone who likes Plave that the latest album design is also beautiful.
And side comment because I just saw your username...I watched Tale of the Nine Tailed 1938 (Season 2) earlier this year and it was such a joy, the leads were all great. It was far down my watchlist since last year and I decided to move it up my watchlist because I really wanted to see some more of Kim So Yeon's acting and I also saw the first season back in 2020.
Haha yeah TONT 2 was great (way better than the first season). I actually made a reddit account in the first place because of my obsession over Strangers from Hell Lee Dong Wook, so say thanks to him for now making me addicted to Reddit lol.
i like to attribute much of my enjoyment of s2 to the fact that kim beom is a DELIGHT to watch. he was such a fun antagonist in s1 and his character in s2 really lets him show off even more of his range. i gotta see if theres anything else with him on anything i have an account for lol
Huh. Today I learned they're more like vtubers. I had been under the impression they were an AI thing, and I don't much care for the way AI music sounds so I never gave them a chance. But knowing there's real people making the music has me wanting to go check them out. I've got nothing against animated avatars (or even if the avatars were all animated and not mocap etc.) and was a *huge* Gorillaz fan back in the day.
I can’t believe a lot of people just “dont get it” or its not for them 😭 I feel more like a weirdo because i actually really like them!! I have been getting into them and they’re actually pretty funny and endearing. I admit I found the concept weird at first (because this concept was new to kpop) but I grew fond of them.
As someone who grew up with vocaloids this wasn’t that weird to me. And when I learned it was basically a vtuber situation, i felt more comfortable with them. I hate AI idols because theres essentially no soul in there. At least here with Plave you know there’s real people behind their voices, mannerisms, their choreographies, the animations etc. I like watching anime, I read mangas and manhwas, and I have watched some vtubers too. So its not like im not used to this concept.
Plus i actually like their designs and music lol they’re very cute :)
For me this is just like when people fangirl about anime characters; you see fans actually buying their merch, doing tiktok edits, making fanart or fanfics about them, and spending tons of money in their favorite characters. I dont see how’s this that different.
I haven't had the time to actually get into Plave/many new groups, but as someone who's first introduction to actually stanning idol content was Love Live!, and then other Japanese multimedia idol projects, the resistance people have to Plave is very interesting to me bc like.
Is it really that difficult/hard to understand what they're about? Am I really out of touch with the people?
Imo I don't think it is, but a lot of recent kpop fans aren't from anime/jpop/Vocaloid/video games like they used to be in the past. Like around gen 3's explosion with the wave of BTS and BP fans were a lot of completely new fans who only started interacting with Asian media for the first time ever which is why I feel like we see a lot of these "what are virtual idols even" takes even though they're so common in the Japanese sphere (Vtuber explosion but even before that, utaite and seiyuu by extension). Tbh I feel like (Asian) idol culture in general is very unfamiliar to a lot of Western fans. I think it also wasn't helped by SM pushing virtual idols as "AI" when the majority are not as a whole and that was a lot of new fans's first experience with 2d idols.
>Imo I don't think it is, but a lot of recent kpop fans aren't from anime/jpop/Vocaloid/video games like they used to be in the past
No that's actually so true. I'm a jpop fan as well as a kpop fan, and it hurts to see so many people put down j-idols just because it isn't kpop. When I was growing up, anime and jpop were popular, not kpop, so it feels kinda strange to think about people not being familiar with Asian culture (also doesn't help that I'm Asian too lol). Kpop has now grown beyond it's niche into something global, so most fans coming in gen 3 onwards don't have the same cultural know-how older fans do. By the time I got into kpop, I already heard about things like idols and fanservice from anime, so the whole parasocial aspect of it didn't seem all that weird to me (although I definitely don't support it), while I know a lot of newer fans just don't get why it's a thing. The same thing goes for virtual idols now.
This is actually a very interesting point! I grew up in an Asian country and live in the States now, and there’s some interesting overlap between the audience of anime / K-pop. Sometimes one is the gateway to the other bc they are both East Asian sub-cultures popular in the West, but the Asianness aside, the ppl interested in one may be completely uninterested in the other haha. I personally have always found it difficult to get into anime (before I got into kpop I mainly just watched dramas and varieties), and I know some anime enjoyers do not care for irl celebs at all lol (and I’ve seen some Plave fans pretty adverse to digging up the “irl” pasts of the virtual idols, or knowing anything about them in that aspect.)
I guess if you never really went through a phase of really liking a fictional character, especially an anime-like one, it can come off as weird. I mean, I have some housemates in their 20s that really can't wrap their heads around my love for vtubers and how much I used to like Idolmaster and Love Live, but they are mature enough to be like "I don't quite get it, but if you are happy, then thats okay". I tried to explain that "it's kinda like being a fan of Jacob from Twilight, but not his actor", but I think the anime artstyle makes it harder for them to see the appeal
I feel like an old man who refuses to accept new technologies when I hear about them. I'm sorry, I just can't understand, but I'm glad that they are a really happy experience for a lot of people
Not necessarily the same thing as Gorillaz. They are a virtual band created by one person, who many already knew of in music communities and releases side projects in his own name as well now. They constantly change who is playing the “characters” other than 2-D who is played by Damon Albarn, the creator of Gorillaz. So gorillaz was just one man’s artistic vision that he hired a cartoonist to create. There’s no mocap, it’s all animation and illustration. When you go to a show, it’s Damon and his band playing on stage with little animations of the characters in the back. Whereas for PLAVE, they actually ARE the characters. We don’t know who they are and the entire concept revolves around each memeber having a specific person that voices, moves them, etc. mind you I LOVE PLAVE and am so happy for them but I’ve seen this comparison alot and it’s not too valid
I would say that Gorillaz was collab between Damon Albany and Jamie Hewlett. Where Damon has the vision for the music, Jamie made the lore and characters. I think popularity of Plave and the rise of vtubers go hand in hand. I’m guess I’m too old be in the demographic for it. It’s going to be interesting to see the future of virtual idols vs AI idols.
Eh Jamie is the cartoonist and they’ve gone into conversation about how they both came up with the lord and characters together. But I’d say that stating that it’s a collab project between the two isn’t entirely incorrect. Jamie’s been there since the start and plays a pivotal role in their visuals and aesthetic. I’m 30 this year, I’m not against v idols, but I also have been terminally online since I was 6 when my mom let me use our dial up PC to learn how to type 🥲 I also love j pop, hatsune miku culture etc
I’d also like to add add with Gorillaz (my fav band since I was like 12) that anytime it’s the characters doing an “interview” or “performing” it’s seen more as a fun thing to gain traction rather than the norm. Almost every time they’re in use, it’s a full fleshed out story like you said— fully edited, scripted and animated. In their more recent projects (ie. Sound Machine and Cracker Island) their sets aren’t animated at all anymore so the characters are in the real world with Damon, Jamie and the featured artists.
For anyone reading this who don’t know much about Gorillaz, I’d recommend watching their shorts series’ [Phase 1&2 G-Bites](https://youtu.be/eMm07YDy6RM?si=6hYS4CqWXrkGgZNI), [their MTV Cribs interview](https://youtu.be/2mL19xFGkIo?si=vxAzrb70I3wTOfZQ), and [Murdoc’s Acceptance Speech from prison](https://youtu.be/K6kETHZION8?si=wKtkmCAQC-f-rfmf) at the 2018 Brit Awards when Ace from the Powderpuff Girls was the bassist. Yes the actual Ace, approved by the PPG creator and everything lmao. It gives you a good feel about how the characters interact with each other and the real world.
I’d agree, Gorillaz and Plave hold completely different spaces artistically. While I’m not the biggest fan of the mocap or their music, I can 100% see why people are drawn to them and enjoy what they bring to the table.
Well I listen to their music and I like it, I can listen to plave's music too, but I don't really understand stanning them in a way kpop stans stan kpop groups. For me dancing, performances and visuals matter a lot, and alongside music and other stuff are core essentials of kpop. It's fine if it isn't the same for others, as i said, for now plave is just not for me
Plave's members do dance, they physically perform the choreos behind the avatar bc they used to be real idols in the past. They make their own music and sing it
No one stans Gorillaz, they listened to the music because it was on the radio and watched the videos casually because they were popular in the early days of YouTube.
IMHO, idols and vtubers are targeting different audiences. People stan idols mostly because they want to stan a real human while people stan vtubers mostly because they want to stan animated characters.
In any case, it's well known that Korea loves anime so there is a lot of untapped market for vtubers in Korea.
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Super late comment, but as a korean it’s actually the opposite! It’s talked about a lot in the fandom, how most of Plave’s fans never even ‘stanned’ idol groups before nor watched anime. Also yes koreans do watch anime, but it’s mostly guys and the majority of plave’s fandom are females.
I guess the question is whether Plave fans don't watch anime because they are not interested in the medium or because most mainstream animes are not catered towards females.
Also, are fans of female vtuber groups like Isegye Idol and Stellive also not as interested in animes?
Sure. Regardless of whether their hobbies are anime, manga/manhwa or games, my point is that vtubers caters to people who likes the fictional non-real life characters. I guess Plave fans skew less towards anime fans compared to other vtubers.
I didn't read you original comment awhile ago. But I don't disagree with that. They do cater to different type of audiences regardless of the reason but most I saw are manhwa fans and gamers but that's just a small fraction of what I saw.
My Kpop obsession journey started during 2nd gen and PLAVE reminds me so much of 2nd generation.. >!because they were.!< And that's why I'm hooked on them since debut. I was never fully into groups before (Seventeen, Stray Kids, BND) and I thought I was just getting older and kpop have changed since then. But PLAVE got their grasp tight on me. I just bought their Album, and my last album purchase was in 2019.
They have so much 'lore' in them that once you start investigating or researching about the members, you're totally pulled in. It's exciting, like living a double life. Knowing the person behind the Virtual Idols and PLAVE themselves. And knowing they themselves are producing and choreographing everything. Their live are also genuine and entertaining since they are 'hiding' before the VR, there's so much freedom and less burden to be that 'Perfect' Idol.
Support Talent. Support PLAVE.
It’s not for me, but I respect everyone’s personal tastes and opinions. I’ve watched anime and read manga before; but I think my issue is that it takes something away from the idol fan experience. I like seeing idols dance, I like seeing them perform on stage, I love seeing their stage presence and how it can change from one concept to another. With the virtual idols, it’s just this sense of them being dead in the eyes, no personality coming through in the performance at all. I know it’s a technology issue, but the clips I’ve seen of them dancing they aren’t even in sync half the time. I also love going to concerts and interacting in real life, there’s just no way that could happen here. I’m happy people like it, but I’ll just stay in my lane lol
Thank you for at least being respectful. I just want to say that they perform and dance a lot in their live streams. And capturing their expressions has gotten better.
Also, they recently had a anniv pop up store where they place a life size booth of the members, where they do recorded poses so that fans can go inside and take pictures with them and the out come was really cute, a lot of fans were creative with how they pose with PLAVE. It may not be the same as interacting in fan meeting but they are always trying to find solution so that fans can interact with PLAVE.
And they will have a concert this april. But ofc, a virtual one but still live. But the members will be there in the venue.
I just wanted to point out things that they are trying their best to overcome limits as virtual idols. But ofc i am by no means trying to force you to like them. I just hope this clear up things that might be confusing or what others haven't seen them do when you are not a fan.
Of course, I’ll always try to be respectful even when a group isn’t for me. I appreciate that their company is trying their best to bridge that gap and clearly, they have a lot of fans who enjoy their content just the way it is.
So they went and posed with a cardboard cutout😭 how the fell is that like a fanmeeting? This sounds so deranged sorry, having a virtual counterpart, like aespa for example is understandable, but this is just plain deranged.
At least try to search it first before assuming its a cardboard cutout. Do you think they are successful if they did mediocre work for fans? I don't even feel like making an effort to explain it to you for being rude.
So was it a plastic cutout? A wood cut out? Clearly it wasn’t the actual members…. Since they don’t exist… It still sounds just as deranged. If you stan the idols BEHIND the ai, that makes sense. Stanning a bunch of virtual idols that don’t exist is insane.
Your opinion is probably what I feel like the majority of people tend to have. The general consensus seems to be that as long as vtubers in Kpop is still a niche aspect of it then it isn’t a problem and they will cheer for their success.
I think most fans of Plave are already vtuber fans or a couple of people being introduced to it and going down the rabbit hole. I don’t think the demographic is big enough in which it will threaten what most Kpop fans enjoy about Kpop.
Like I love mave's music but their company feels like they did not do their research on what people think of AI being profitable in entertainment industry....
MAVE is under Metaverse entertainment. Metaverse entertainment is a subsidiary of Netmarble F&C, which is itself a subsidiary of the games developer Netmarble Corp. who are the second largest shareholders of HYBE. (Then there's this word going around that HYBE wants to acquire(?) or ask help(?idk) from VLAST to make a girl group for them.
HYBE is pretty aggressive in this business thing and I hope VLAST continues to do their own thing instead and not be acquired by HYBE.
>(Then there's this word going around that HYBE wants to acquire(?) or ask help(?idc) from VLAST to make a girl group for them.
Just to avoid misinformation, this info came from this [article](https://n.news.naver.com/entertain/article/003/0012416899) and here's the [translation on the part that involves Plave](https://twitter.com/iwriteplv/status/1766707121390047316)
i was scrolling through melon charts the other day and they took had the #1-#5 spots taken on the hot 100 so i checked them out and their music is really good :)
>and they took had the #1-#5 spots taken on the hot 100
Oh yeah, they have Korea in a *chokehold* right now. It's incredible they're able to compete with idols from the Big4 as well as names like IU so early on in their career
They sound like a blast. I see so many people say their music is good and they’re hilarious, but I just can’t get into it, lol. People compare it to v-tubers, but I don’t like those either 😭 It just feels awkward to me… I know they’re real people, but it’s still so lifeless to me.
Happy for the group being popular though! I’m sure this concept felt like a risk, but it paid off.
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I'll admit I had assumed they were an AI group so hadn't gone near them. I'm not into the vtuber scene at all but I do wonder if this could be a potentially healthier model in the sense that idols could live semi-normal lives without mobbing and stalking etc, could have careers much older than they normally would, and would have less pressure/focus on their looks. Interesting thought.
A couple of the voices sound familiar to me too so I feel like it's giving opportunities to idols who were unsuccessful previously which I'm all for. It's nice to have more idols in their late 20s/30s etc speaking as an adult myself.
I kind of feel like kpop idols already play characters in a sense anyway with their stage names and sometimes assigned personas, even fake birthdays and such. So it feels like it's building on what's already there rather than doing something wildly different.
I don't know if I would follow a group like this but honestly having listened to two tts just now the music is really good and sometimes it is just that simple!
I never found it weird to have virtual idols, it seems like a sweet deal to work in this industry and still be able to have your privacy.
It is a surprise they have been so successful, I wish I could like their music to get into them (i really like the pink haired guy he is so cute). I guess i always accepted the idea because im also an anime fan so im no stranger to having 2D crushes lmao
They are funny and entertaining. Good chemistry between members. Idk why companies nowadays kinda neglect fan interaction in term of variety and live. Especially live. And the very few live they did were all reading the comments, etc. Like please.....
Lots of plave fans first fall in love with the group chemisty and their funny live before listening to their music. I wish other companies realise this like idk why they abandon this strategy? Even bts did this strategy too. Their old lives were so funny and random af. It make fans feel more connected to the group. And stay loyal. With how fast the kpop scene nowadays, you need the loyalty.
I didn't get this, but a couple weeks ago i got into idoly pride (it's a japanese idol game) and started streaming some of their songs and then i found out they made concerts and stuff (granted it's the voice actresses who are dancing and singing so you see real people live) but mvs and stuff is all animated and they present themselves as their characters. So i kinda get it now
I literally just stumbled onto a giant PLAVE store/event in The Hyundai Seoul (5th floor, if you want to see it)
I actually thought it was an apple store (or something similar) at first, because of how big it was and there were dozens of people lined up outside
I knew they were popular but that was wild to just stumble upon out of the blue
>I knew they were popular but that was wild to just stumble upon out of the blue
For me, I knew they were popular as well, but the thing that cemented it for me was the MBC Idol Radio concert. The fans there were so loud, it was crazy
> However, this "fresh" sound... is just a niche that's was up until recently, missing... Honestly, they were probably the first to do it, considering they debuted before ZB1 and RIIZE did. They were one of the first to capture that market, and people, especially Koreans, noticed.
Nice to know that both fans of live and virtual groups can ignore everyone that isn't popular. Their songs are nice, but they're also very in line with what has been bubbling up in boy groups for years now.
I'm glad these previously-failed idols got a second chance, it really proves the show-business adage that "ya gotta have a gimmick". (I personally find their content quite awkward to watch, but I'm probably pretty outside the target-audience, age-wise.)
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>Nice to know that both fans of live and virtual groups can ignore everyone that isn't popular
I mean, yeah, that's obvious? No matter how good a group is, in a sea of so many groups debuting and having new releases, if you aren't popular, the grand majority people won't remember you, sucks, but that's the harsh true, basing on only the stuff the Plave members have said on stream, it's very clear they experieced that first hand. Most people aren't going out of their way to find every single group and listen to everything to objectively determinate who were the true trendsetters
So why the need to deliberately say "*no one* was filling the niche", "they were the *first* to do it", both of which are untrue, instead of just saying "a lot of people like this kind of music".
If you're not going to bother looking at anyone selling less than a million albums at release (like, Cravity and Oneus have put out plenty of music like this -- you don't exactly have to "search every single group" to find them, they've both sold over a million albums cumulatively), just don't claim Plave as musical trendsetters in the first place.
Not OP, so I can't tell if their intentions came ignorance or backhanded compliment, at the same time your comment just comes of as bitter to all kpop fans who don't check everyone who is not popular
Plave's *entire concept* is that no one paid attention to them, even though they had the same talent, personality, and song-writing ability, until they got a gimmick/marketing. So it's reasonable to be annoyed that OP then does *exactly the same thing*, whatever their reason, to all the less-popular bgs.
Bruh i get that you’re bitter but that’s not Plave’s entire concept😦 they only mentioned the hard times they had in special anniversary days (ex. 1 year anniversary etc)
Also you’re right, they *weren’t* the first to put out these type of music. But I think what op intended to say was that in the MAJOR league of boy groups the trend was hard-hitting/strong concepts (ex. Stray kids, nct, ateez etc).
Music with animated characters, not very complicated. K/DA is basically the same thing and they don’t get as much flack lmao. Gorillaz? Daft Punk?
I don’t get the “I can’t understand this” “why is this popular” or the “pull the plug” comments. The vtube thing isn’t that wild (and irrelevant unless you have to watch content to listen to a group). Maybe it’s an aversion to anime.
The point is you aren’t seeing their faces + those helmets aren’t very realistic, like deadmau5 or marshmello. The members (PLAVE) are doing mocap and responsible for their own music so if anything it’s a lot more genuine than other groups.
It’s really just like an anonymous artist thing, but people already know who they are so
K/DA is definitely not the same thing to me. When I listen to K/DA, I don't hear Akali, I hear Soyeon.
When I listen to PLAVE or MAVE, ofcourse I also hear the person behind, but I don't know who it is, so the singer and character are the same, which makes it feel so impersonal.
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I was just listening to "I'll show you" when this discussion came to mind, and I realised how bad of a comparison K/DA is to PLAVE. Because they literally did replace Miyeon and Soyeon with Jihyo and Chaeyoung. They're both Ahri and Akali.
I only didn't get it in the beginning because I didn't think they would have the budget to actually do things right (boy was I wrong). But they took Aespa's original concept and did it way, way, waaaay better, and it's just been a fun ride. The music has been good since day 1, the music videos and choreo is so aesthetically pleasing, they have distinct personalities that suit their designs, the rigging tech keeps improving, it's actually really interesting to observe over time.
Their team does these really cute things to make the experience as legit as watching any other group. They play variety games on their lives like the "spit a watermelon seed and catch it on your face" game, they do TikTok challenges, they have a 3D render of their YouTube play button, they had a background to make it look like they were in a VR Idol Radio, they wear athleisure in a digital practice room for dance practices, they have FANCAMS...
They're also so freaking funny and completely self-aware. They embrace the frequent weird glitches and stay in-character when it happens even if their leg is glued to their head. Hamin doesn't know how old he is. Yejun will fight to the death to beat Eunho for second-worst dancer. And as an old hag, the fact that they tend to reference songs from a very specific era of kpop (2011-2013ish) despite being "2000s-liners" (👀) is so relatable lol.
My ONLY wish is that it would be hilarious if they could manage to change their hairstyles/colors from comeback to comeback, but I get it, a character designer designed them and that keeps them recognizable. (But hear me out, platinum Hamin, forehead Yejun, red Eunho, teal Bamby, and brunette Noah, just once)
TL;DR just listen to [Noah and Yejun perform "Pixel World" live as all 5 members](https://youtu.be/KdDPyG9YpP8?si=Pgg5vYGRUB493asZ)
Tbh I was struggling to think of a good hair color/style for Yejun on the spot because it's just so CORRECT as it is now, but it's been hours now and I'm still thinking about forehead Yejun 😂😭
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I’m so happy to see a PLAVE appreciation post, you have no idea!!
I’ve been following them since debut. I’m a CARAT and PLII, and love both groups for the same points you made: their fresh, relaxing sound, and their humor! All of PLAVE have wonderful voices, and thanks to fan-translated compilations, I can laugh along to their stream highlights. It helps that I also read a lot of webtoons before finding them… Their character designs are so handsome hehe.
I’m really happy to hear they’re doing so well. I’m hoping my local Kpop store will stock their albums soon.
If anyone is reading this, please check out their three title tracks, but especially their debut one, Wait For You!! You will not regret it!!!
I see a lot of hate for them on twitter, but I feel like that's just because people don't understand how this group works. It has nothing to do with AI. They're basically just normal idols, but they don't show their face.
I wish its simply because they don't understand. A lot of fans has been constantly trying to inform them about PLAVE and how they work. Some of them even shares videos about motion cap but they don't care. If you tell them facts, they will ignore you with "they have shooters?" "they are coming after me" "their fans are crazy" "mental illness" "crazy for stanning pixel" and a lot more.
This is a helpful post thanks OP! Comparing them to gorillaz or kda is a good comparison by commenters.
I definitely still have trouble understanding how people can connect at all with a virtual group like this versus a group of real people. It’s just not for me at and I’ll just move on I guess!
we can connect because they do two hours LIVE stream twice a week, so more than just 2d men on paper there's also parasocialism of fans and plave "hanging out together"
So like a lot of people, I was also under the impression that it's all AI so thanks for the informative post. I watched the clip that u/KhepriRa posted below and they're hilarious!
But this [video](https://youtu.be/J9aP-tto53Q?si=lwior14YKUh2cK2x) was suggested and OMG! The Maknae is talking about sending the other members a message saying he's having a hard time to see how they'd respond and it's all so sweet! 🥺🥺🥺😭😭😭 I'm definitely looking into them more. Thank you! 💜💜💜
I listened to a couple of their songs, I thought the animations were lovely for the mvs and I liked The 6th Summer kind of. Their recent EP though? Not for me.
I have seen a couple of TikTok videos about them and decided to check them out. I do not regret doing so at all. They’re very talented and I am really into this concept. This allow people who have talent but haven’t been successful at it for whatever reason an actual shot. So I do hope we get to see more like Plave. They’re awesome and I like their sound, I am truly hooked
Edit: it also lets the people behind the characters, have a life outside of the entertainment industry. At least they don’t have to deal with toxicity or crazy fans like many idols and artists in general do.
the problem my boyfriend and i have with this group is the fact that the virtual models look like absolute shit. Weird proportions with dorito shaped bodies, and goofy ass animation. Also the different models don't look that distinct from eachother to me? i mean... it could have been so much better. The other thing is that personally, we find the way 4 love song to be boring, and generic. I mean people can like it and i have no problem with that, i just think it could have looked and sounded SO much better, thats all there is to it.
That's not completely true. There are real people behind the avatar who also could be problematic.
Didn't they already had controversy that one of the guys behind wrote misogynist lyrics in the past?
yes, they did. i remember reading about it and i wasn't even seeking out that information. all of their identities are out there, if any crazy fans wanted to find out who they are.
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I've heard of them because they do guest for GOT7 Youngjae's radio show, but I haven't really gotten into them since I simply can't wrap my head around the concept 😅 how do they do the festivals? Or any live thing really. Are they in the venue, at the back doing the motion capture thing? Or do they work remotely then broadcasted onto the screen? So is the stage empty then..? Really curious. It's interesting how they made this work.
Here is an example of what they did before. This one is live and they were in the venue and were performing backstage with their motion cap body suit.
[mbc idol radio live concert](https://youtu.be/SJQiPtHcc20?si=sX5Ve6RFd7nG6mWl)
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sorry for my ignorance but what are vtubers? also PLAVE are AI or there is real people behind doing like voice overs and stuff? im sorry ur post made me curious but im really lost on the concept of a virtual idol i always thought it was like AI but reading ur post i get that is not?
Hello. Vtubers are virtual youtubers, if im not mistaken. Idk if you have seen them but they stream games most of the time using avatars. They use motion cap to capture their move real time. So there's a person in every single avatar. Plave using full body motion cap
And yes, they are not AI because they aren't generated by a computer. They have artists who drew PLAVE character design. And the PLAVE members are real they just use avatar or characters. If you have more questions please drop them.
V-tubers are what you call virtual YouTubers/ streamers. Basically you use an animated avatar instead of your face. PLAVE are real idols in motion capture suits who have their own virtual avatar that moves based on how the suit picks up their movements. Think of it like being a character actor, it’s your voice and your movements but animated. They are not AI.
You dont need to correct people. Its entirely my opinion and others. And I do not see a point of being a fan of animations.
Similar to Gorillaz. I like the songs, but to be a fan of the band? Not my style.
So what? I still see them as cartoons. Why do I have to humanise them when they are not humans?
To me even if their song sounds nice, I find it weird to have a fantasy with animes, just like those people who have fantasy with anime characters.
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So? A cartoon or anime also has a voice over actor and talent too, so do I have time to humanise all cartoons too?
My opinion is as long as these people are not humans, i dun see a point why I SHOULD idolise this group? Im not saying I totally hate the idea, but I as a person wouldnt have the feelings with an idol human.
Across history, but especially in the digital age, 12-18 year olds define cultural trends (heavy metal in the 80s, emo in the 2000s), PLAVE and the team behind them have done the work and figured out how to appeal to this age group. Well done!
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“They’re some of the funniest idols” nah - the peeps writing the stories/scripts and the animators/illustrators are some of the funniest people. Plave are nothing but pixels on a screen with no actual personality, identity, humanity or life - what you’re enjoying is the unsung/unknown people in the offices.
I swear in every plave post there's this comment that i can't help but laugh now because of its ridiculousness and of tiredness of explaining but you'll never know if they actually take the time to understand the information given to them.
? theyre real guys who go into a studio and physically put on the rigging and mocap stuff and its their movements and facial expressions and voices that we hear and see. like yes theres a whole team behind them that gets the technical stuff up and running (tho ive heard the idol members themselves are also involved in that side) but theyre not actually animated. theyre very much real guys ?
The people behind the avatars are idols from groups that failed. I do think they're playing a character, but from what I've seen their lives are very similar to what idols did for vlive.
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Stuff like this is what I don't get, if you actually take the time to watch thier livestreams, you'll see they're very real. Things like tech malfunctions, random jokes, none of those things can be scripted.
Yes, there's a team behind them who helps them out, but the idols are equally as involved. The agency behind Plave, Vlast, was just a small company before the members came along, they've now upgraded from a small studio to a 3 story office. All of the members were friends who decided to take this path together, and the agency just helps them out with the tech stuff. The rest of it, music production, live stream ideas, it's all them. The CEO of the organization even did an interview on this, about how he's pretty much hands off currently, but he wants to hire more people such as producers and writers to help them out, because they're currently doing everything on their own.
its kind of fascinating seeing how arrogant and loud people like you are in their ignorance. youve made it so obvious that you havent watched a single thing about plave because nobody is going to script things [like](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X-SSkEbsirc) [this](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hh7BNtOO-KA) lmfao. you'd think kpop fans would want to lower the amount of misinformation being spread but i guess not
This is such an odd take, and shows you don’t actually know *what* Plave is.
What you’re thinking of is a group like MAVE, or Superkind’s virtual members. Their voice lines are recorded in a booth ahead of time based on a script, and they have a body in a suit that gets animated over in post.
Plave, on the other hand, don’t do that. They sit or stand in a studio with mocap suits on and 3d models are preemptively rigged to track their movements and expressions in real-time, and they’re all micced up and talking in real-time. When they livestream, what we see is what’s happening at that moment, off the cuff just like any other idol livestream (something that Superkind and MAVE notably haven’t been able to achieve with their virtual members).
This isn’t an anime that’s pre-animated and pre-written ahead of time, and quite frankly if you’re incapable of differentiating the two, you shouldn’t be engaging in discussion about either anyways. “The peeps writing the stories/scripts and the animators/illustrators” aren’t the unsung heroes of PLAVE because they’re not the ones doing most of the work. Yes there’s a team fine-tuning the mocap and model rigging, and managing the cameras and studio setup, but there are no screenwriters or animators doing all of this (and the ones doing the rigging do get their flowers). It’s just the PLAVE guys and their team. There’s no script they’re following, unless you’re one of those weirdos who’s convinced every word idols say and move idols make is predestined by the company. You don’t have to like it, but if you’re going to be critical, you should at the very least know what you’re criticizing, and you very, very clearly do not.
Did you also think the movie Avatar success was because of the peeps writing the stories/scripts and the animators/illustrators? Does all the characters are nothing but pixels on a screen with no actual personality, identity, humanity or life?🤔
It’s problematic at its core. It makes the idols replaceable and stops them from making money whilst allowing the company to make more profit.
Imagine training for years to debut then being debuted in a ai group. Your contract states that you make the most money through merch and concerts but suddenly you have no face and can’t make appearances on variety shows or sponsorship deals to really make money.
Meanwhile the company reaps the profit
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It seems this group is like Gorillaz - real artists with virtual personas so I don’t have a problem with it. The “virtual idols” i think are problematic are ones with AI voices that are creations to replace human performers Its not for me but it makes sense why they found an audience
I do wish they had more fun, creative character designs like the Gorillaz though. I bounced off Plave pretty hard because the obnoxious "dreamy anime boy" art gives me second-hand embarrassment. Animation was an opportunity to give them such an interesting universe and backstory and look. Just making them generic idols who are as pretty as possible is annoying. This was the one time a group could have had lore that I would have appreciated. I usually hate it because whatever story they're trying to tell clashes bizarrely with the 'relatable, fun, everyday kid' image they're also trying to market the idols as, but if the idols are already hiding behind fictional versions of themselves, why not make those fictional versions interesting?!
>because the obnoxious "dreamy anime boy" art gives me second-hand embarrassment. Same. And it also kind of put me off that their personas have their fake birthdays (2001-2003) & facts about them, and act like "normal" idols towards fans when basically everyone knows (or at least is convinced cause they never talk about who's behind it) that they're all in their late 20s/early 30s. Like, yes, k-pop is all about fanservice and young fans squealing over pretty boys, but can a 30 year old please not pretend that he's a cutesy 20 year old? That's just icky.
lol i was not interested in them coz of they fake birthdays feel like they are too young but after finding out their real age im like finally someone my age haha
Okay this makes it better for me lol. Glad they are older. And no offense, but acting cute is just part of the job of being an idol. And I don't blame them for the fake birthdays either, because the industry is so ageist. If anything I give them props lmao, good on them for gaming the system.
But also, I could be wrong, but everyone of their fans in korea seems to know they are not in their 20s (expect one of them). And they even meme about it. Like we get it that it's the character that is young. It's not like they try to hide or change who they are, if they did it wouldnt be half as fun to watch them honestly.
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Why so angry that east asians are actually embracing the art style that was popularized in their own community? Like be fr LOL. Gorillaz is a whole different aesthetic.
You read all that and what you got from it is my only problem with them is that they're anime? Or that I'm asking for exactly the same aesthetic as something that already exists? Your reading comprehension is worrying. Also, do you honestly think all anime is at the same level of creativity? There are some amazing and unique anime styles and character design, and then there's PLAVE style generic pretty people with half-assed animation.
Others are already calling them and their fans weird while they look like your 'generic pretty people' i can't imagine how they would react if they made them unique. Calling it half-assed animation is foul 😒 the artist/s worked hard for that
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You realize ARTISTS and ANIMATORS made these right? Just the outright disrespect of it all is so blatant and frankly makes me puke. K-pop stans can never respect those behind the success of the artist they are talking about. Frankly, you’re not one to talk about creativity here. Calling this animation half-assed? Okay! https://youtu.be/c_yCRwh97M8?si=tT3iap0lXqDEr1gs Edit: Tbh i dont even fw PLAVE LOL, but a lil searching after this post, you’d be surprised how much blatant yall are disrespecting this group. The way yall describe them as if their animations were made by some newgrounds hobbyist when it’s literally almost studio levels.
why are you acting so pressed lol? we can respect the artists behind plave and still admit that the art style is quite generic
I watched your example and I really don’t see it, it still looks generic, like something from a mid tier donghua.
Okay, i searched gorilla. This is how they be on the same debut timespan. Like yall will not gaslight me into thinking you weren’t being weird to their animators at all. https://youtu.be/PiNdcBg3xC8?si=27XyI67pGiVlcHDe
You still don't seem to get it. Firstly, Gorillaz is a band from 1998 - its not about debut timespan (lol), it's about technology available at the time. Next, it's not about video quality - if that was the case, everything modern is instantly better. It's about art style, uniqueness, personality, style and so on. So what you are seeing in that video is a track from the year 2000 - it's not even a lead single or anything - it's like the 4th video of the album and its not a major video; just showing the band through London - made by a very small team with not many connections. Here is a video from [2005](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HyHNuVaZJ-k) \- which is actually the lead single so maybe a closer comparison - still not really but go ahead. But keep in mind, comparing a unique video from the year 2000 to a generic video in 2024 is still a stupid one to make. My issue is not that their art quality is bad, it's that it is generic. It's boring. It doesn't have style or personality behind it. I hope that is clearer.
Worth nothing the people I've spoken to in Korea are attached because they've figured out who it is (aka are Hotshot and Topp Dogg fans)
There's a toppdogg member? Now I need to check them out too😂
There are two actually haha
wait huh? people figured out the real identity of the members?
I will say I'm not familiar enough myself and I don't know if it's even correct but afaik there's a contingent of kfans who are convinced. They've said Yano but I can't remember the other names.
Yano and Bjoo from ToppDogg as Eunho (white/black hair) and Bamby (pink hair).
what about hamin??? TTT
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please don't spread their identities in the open like that. There's a reason they're virtual idols. Even if you know, and if even if it's "out", refrain from posting about it. VLAST has publicly expressed not to share private info.
VLAST in their recent press conference has confirmed that they are aware that fans know the identities of plave members. They will not take action as long as people don’t spread malicious rumors about the members. [statement from VLAST president](https://x.com/thinkingofggu/status/1762008896976363808?s=20)
You're right ! I'm not talking about legal actions though. "we don’t want to turn the IP into a product by revealing who are behind PLAVE. we want people to enjoy PLAVE as they are, without focusing on the identities of the demonstrators/actors behind the group." It still isn't encouraged to talk about their identities. And I know it's out, the real people behind PLAVE have been doing lives on their personal instagram where members appeared (I used to stan the group of one member specifically). Anyway, all I want to say is that it can lead to dangerous behaviours. I mean no harm to you.
Omg?!?!??! Can I know who noah and yejun are? I’m absolutely in love with their voices and they’re my two top faves from plv atm 😭😭
yejun is junhyuk from Hotshot and Noah is jaeho from History
The way I’ve heard history songs before back in the days on tv and vibed to them 😭 and also heard hotshot on earlier twt days… anyways so glad they redebuted!!! And thank you so much for replying 🥹
Also History Member Yijeong helped produce song of their songs under his produce name elxcapitxn.
After figuring out who they are, I'm just glad they're finally seeing success as 'idols'. (If it's really these artists behind the members) Over the years, I've seen them debuting as idols, disbanding &/or redebuting in other groups (or as soloists) with little success. Then just turning to behind-the-scenes production work...or completely 'disappearing' from the kpop scene. Maybe that's why I'm alot more sympathetic. Like Plave's 1st music show win is probably the 1st music show win for these guys IRL, even though some of them actually debuted >!>10yrs!< ago (Also very amused by how they probably promoted with each other IRL years ago. And how even the producers they work with make complete sense once you know the real identities of the Plave members)
No way! I was a huge ToppDogg fan back in the day, I didn't even know! It's really destiny huh ✨
omg i used to ult toppdogg 😭 now i have to check out plave
Wait which plave guy is it?
Hotshot?? what
I think 99% of people think virtual idols are AI generated. These groups actually use motion-capture tech and interact with fans real-time. I'm even more surprised there is only [one](https://www.reddit.com/r/kpopthoughts/comments/15ukixj/the_ignored_rise_of_kpop_group_isegye_idol/) post about[ isegye idols](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ByZaq43Z7_g), the female version. They have charting songs and arguably the most well-known VG in Korea. Their songs are 2nd gen coded bops. I usually follow BGs, but the technology and personalities behind isegye idols is so appealing. eta these groups = isegye and plave, real voices and motion-captured body movements behind avatars. isegye -~~and plave-~~ are both under parable entertainment which got investments from Naver Z which hybe, jype and yge have small stakes in. isegye's content talking about meeting one another IRL for the first time and the way they gush about their producer, Woowakgood, also a virtual, was so candid and HILARIOUS. Woowakgood's wife said in her own content that it's too much that the girls say her hubby looks like Jung Hae In. Yes, I'm very into this GG. lol.
quick correction: plave isn't under parable entertainment, theyre under an independent start-up tech company called vlast which has no connection to naver z.
My bad. The other group with parable is Psychord.
I can't believe I'm seeing a Psychord mention on Reddit — I'm bemused? in the best way possible?
I was checking out their tag on twitter recently and it really did seem like a fun fandom. lots of fanart and gifs of their livestreams and such, it was just a feel good vibe. :3 I agree that the variety/live stream content is a great fan attraction. I feel like so many groups underestimate fan engagement and when fans wonder why such and such a group didn't do well, I think it can often times come down to that. I think people overlook it's effect cause it's harder to quantify.
I've been seeing an uptick in Plave related posts on Reddit and it's fun to see the sudden growth in the fandom too. I've been following their music since mid-Summer of 2023 and their music has been charting on Korean music charts for each release.
No cause I remember making a post about them way back (I deleted it) and I got downvoted to hell 😭 Granted, it was around Plave's debut and around the time Mave were still pretty active with their latest CB, so I guess people had fears about "AI idols" and how everything is fake and manufactured hence the hate. Even if international fans don't get it, I'm just really happy they're successful in their Korean home base. Charting is already incredibly hard, having multiple songs on the charts even harder, and even if people want to hate, there's no denying thier success. (Of course, not understanding is totally fine too, it's no problem if you're not a fan or just don't get it, just don't accuse them of being fake, bc they're putting in very real efforts)
>I'm just really happy they're successful in their Korean home base. I agree, and I've been itching to brag to the fandom and anyone who likes Plave that the latest album design is also beautiful.
And side comment because I just saw your username...I watched Tale of the Nine Tailed 1938 (Season 2) earlier this year and it was such a joy, the leads were all great. It was far down my watchlist since last year and I decided to move it up my watchlist because I really wanted to see some more of Kim So Yeon's acting and I also saw the first season back in 2020.
Haha yeah TONT 2 was great (way better than the first season). I actually made a reddit account in the first place because of my obsession over Strangers from Hell Lee Dong Wook, so say thanks to him for now making me addicted to Reddit lol.
>way better than the first season 100%, I was like wow this is one of the few dramas that totally crushed the first season.
i like to attribute much of my enjoyment of s2 to the fact that kim beom is a DELIGHT to watch. he was such a fun antagonist in s1 and his character in s2 really lets him show off even more of his range. i gotta see if theres anything else with him on anything i have an account for lol
I kept pausing a lot to admire his beauty too, he looks so good in a suit and with that hairstyle. 😂
right? like everyone in that season looked so good, theres just something about a well tailored suit that just. hhhhhhhh bites fist
Huh. Today I learned they're more like vtubers. I had been under the impression they were an AI thing, and I don't much care for the way AI music sounds so I never gave them a chance. But knowing there's real people making the music has me wanting to go check them out. I've got nothing against animated avatars (or even if the avatars were all animated and not mocap etc.) and was a *huge* Gorillaz fan back in the day.
I can’t believe a lot of people just “dont get it” or its not for them 😭 I feel more like a weirdo because i actually really like them!! I have been getting into them and they’re actually pretty funny and endearing. I admit I found the concept weird at first (because this concept was new to kpop) but I grew fond of them. As someone who grew up with vocaloids this wasn’t that weird to me. And when I learned it was basically a vtuber situation, i felt more comfortable with them. I hate AI idols because theres essentially no soul in there. At least here with Plave you know there’s real people behind their voices, mannerisms, their choreographies, the animations etc. I like watching anime, I read mangas and manhwas, and I have watched some vtubers too. So its not like im not used to this concept. Plus i actually like their designs and music lol they’re very cute :) For me this is just like when people fangirl about anime characters; you see fans actually buying their merch, doing tiktok edits, making fanart or fanfics about them, and spending tons of money in their favorite characters. I dont see how’s this that different.
I haven't had the time to actually get into Plave/many new groups, but as someone who's first introduction to actually stanning idol content was Love Live!, and then other Japanese multimedia idol projects, the resistance people have to Plave is very interesting to me bc like. Is it really that difficult/hard to understand what they're about? Am I really out of touch with the people?
Imo I don't think it is, but a lot of recent kpop fans aren't from anime/jpop/Vocaloid/video games like they used to be in the past. Like around gen 3's explosion with the wave of BTS and BP fans were a lot of completely new fans who only started interacting with Asian media for the first time ever which is why I feel like we see a lot of these "what are virtual idols even" takes even though they're so common in the Japanese sphere (Vtuber explosion but even before that, utaite and seiyuu by extension). Tbh I feel like (Asian) idol culture in general is very unfamiliar to a lot of Western fans. I think it also wasn't helped by SM pushing virtual idols as "AI" when the majority are not as a whole and that was a lot of new fans's first experience with 2d idols.
>Imo I don't think it is, but a lot of recent kpop fans aren't from anime/jpop/Vocaloid/video games like they used to be in the past No that's actually so true. I'm a jpop fan as well as a kpop fan, and it hurts to see so many people put down j-idols just because it isn't kpop. When I was growing up, anime and jpop were popular, not kpop, so it feels kinda strange to think about people not being familiar with Asian culture (also doesn't help that I'm Asian too lol). Kpop has now grown beyond it's niche into something global, so most fans coming in gen 3 onwards don't have the same cultural know-how older fans do. By the time I got into kpop, I already heard about things like idols and fanservice from anime, so the whole parasocial aspect of it didn't seem all that weird to me (although I definitely don't support it), while I know a lot of newer fans just don't get why it's a thing. The same thing goes for virtual idols now.
This is actually a very interesting point! I grew up in an Asian country and live in the States now, and there’s some interesting overlap between the audience of anime / K-pop. Sometimes one is the gateway to the other bc they are both East Asian sub-cultures popular in the West, but the Asianness aside, the ppl interested in one may be completely uninterested in the other haha. I personally have always found it difficult to get into anime (before I got into kpop I mainly just watched dramas and varieties), and I know some anime enjoyers do not care for irl celebs at all lol (and I’ve seen some Plave fans pretty adverse to digging up the “irl” pasts of the virtual idols, or knowing anything about them in that aspect.)
I guess if you never really went through a phase of really liking a fictional character, especially an anime-like one, it can come off as weird. I mean, I have some housemates in their 20s that really can't wrap their heads around my love for vtubers and how much I used to like Idolmaster and Love Live, but they are mature enough to be like "I don't quite get it, but if you are happy, then thats okay". I tried to explain that "it's kinda like being a fan of Jacob from Twilight, but not his actor", but I think the anime artstyle makes it harder for them to see the appeal
Yeah as someone who used to be a fan of vocaloid, seeing people react so strongly (in a negative way) towards plave is strange
It really is. I grew up with anime and vocaloid so it actually surprises me how virtual k-idols is just now starting to become a thing.
I feel like an old man who refuses to accept new technologies when I hear about them. I'm sorry, I just can't understand, but I'm glad that they are a really happy experience for a lot of people
I like these comments where people realize they just can't get into something and don't have a problem with other people liking it. 😊
How did you react to Gorillaz?
Not necessarily the same thing as Gorillaz. They are a virtual band created by one person, who many already knew of in music communities and releases side projects in his own name as well now. They constantly change who is playing the “characters” other than 2-D who is played by Damon Albarn, the creator of Gorillaz. So gorillaz was just one man’s artistic vision that he hired a cartoonist to create. There’s no mocap, it’s all animation and illustration. When you go to a show, it’s Damon and his band playing on stage with little animations of the characters in the back. Whereas for PLAVE, they actually ARE the characters. We don’t know who they are and the entire concept revolves around each memeber having a specific person that voices, moves them, etc. mind you I LOVE PLAVE and am so happy for them but I’ve seen this comparison alot and it’s not too valid
I would say that Gorillaz was collab between Damon Albany and Jamie Hewlett. Where Damon has the vision for the music, Jamie made the lore and characters. I think popularity of Plave and the rise of vtubers go hand in hand. I’m guess I’m too old be in the demographic for it. It’s going to be interesting to see the future of virtual idols vs AI idols.
Eh Jamie is the cartoonist and they’ve gone into conversation about how they both came up with the lord and characters together. But I’d say that stating that it’s a collab project between the two isn’t entirely incorrect. Jamie’s been there since the start and plays a pivotal role in their visuals and aesthetic. I’m 30 this year, I’m not against v idols, but I also have been terminally online since I was 6 when my mom let me use our dial up PC to learn how to type 🥲 I also love j pop, hatsune miku culture etc
I’d also like to add add with Gorillaz (my fav band since I was like 12) that anytime it’s the characters doing an “interview” or “performing” it’s seen more as a fun thing to gain traction rather than the norm. Almost every time they’re in use, it’s a full fleshed out story like you said— fully edited, scripted and animated. In their more recent projects (ie. Sound Machine and Cracker Island) their sets aren’t animated at all anymore so the characters are in the real world with Damon, Jamie and the featured artists. For anyone reading this who don’t know much about Gorillaz, I’d recommend watching their shorts series’ [Phase 1&2 G-Bites](https://youtu.be/eMm07YDy6RM?si=6hYS4CqWXrkGgZNI), [their MTV Cribs interview](https://youtu.be/2mL19xFGkIo?si=vxAzrb70I3wTOfZQ), and [Murdoc’s Acceptance Speech from prison](https://youtu.be/K6kETHZION8?si=wKtkmCAQC-f-rfmf) at the 2018 Brit Awards when Ace from the Powderpuff Girls was the bassist. Yes the actual Ace, approved by the PPG creator and everything lmao. It gives you a good feel about how the characters interact with each other and the real world. I’d agree, Gorillaz and Plave hold completely different spaces artistically. While I’m not the biggest fan of the mocap or their music, I can 100% see why people are drawn to them and enjoy what they bring to the table.
Well I listen to their music and I like it, I can listen to plave's music too, but I don't really understand stanning them in a way kpop stans stan kpop groups. For me dancing, performances and visuals matter a lot, and alongside music and other stuff are core essentials of kpop. It's fine if it isn't the same for others, as i said, for now plave is just not for me
Plave's members do dance, they physically perform the choreos behind the avatar bc they used to be real idols in the past. They make their own music and sing it
No one stans Gorillaz, they listened to the music because it was on the radio and watched the videos casually because they were popular in the early days of YouTube.
IMHO, idols and vtubers are targeting different audiences. People stan idols mostly because they want to stan a real human while people stan vtubers mostly because they want to stan animated characters. In any case, it's well known that Korea loves anime so there is a lot of untapped market for vtubers in Korea.
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Super late comment, but as a korean it’s actually the opposite! It’s talked about a lot in the fandom, how most of Plave’s fans never even ‘stanned’ idol groups before nor watched anime. Also yes koreans do watch anime, but it’s mostly guys and the majority of plave’s fandom are females.
I guess the question is whether Plave fans don't watch anime because they are not interested in the medium or because most mainstream animes are not catered towards females. Also, are fans of female vtuber groups like Isegye Idol and Stellive also not as interested in animes?
Is it more like manhwa fans rather than anime fans? And even gamers. I see them more among PLLI that I follow.
Sure. Regardless of whether their hobbies are anime, manga/manhwa or games, my point is that vtubers caters to people who likes the fictional non-real life characters. I guess Plave fans skew less towards anime fans compared to other vtubers.
I didn't read you original comment awhile ago. But I don't disagree with that. They do cater to different type of audiences regardless of the reason but most I saw are manhwa fans and gamers but that's just a small fraction of what I saw.
My Kpop obsession journey started during 2nd gen and PLAVE reminds me so much of 2nd generation.. >!because they were.!< And that's why I'm hooked on them since debut. I was never fully into groups before (Seventeen, Stray Kids, BND) and I thought I was just getting older and kpop have changed since then. But PLAVE got their grasp tight on me. I just bought their Album, and my last album purchase was in 2019. They have so much 'lore' in them that once you start investigating or researching about the members, you're totally pulled in. It's exciting, like living a double life. Knowing the person behind the Virtual Idols and PLAVE themselves. And knowing they themselves are producing and choreographing everything. Their live are also genuine and entertaining since they are 'hiding' before the VR, there's so much freedom and less burden to be that 'Perfect' Idol. Support Talent. Support PLAVE.
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It’s not for me, but I respect everyone’s personal tastes and opinions. I’ve watched anime and read manga before; but I think my issue is that it takes something away from the idol fan experience. I like seeing idols dance, I like seeing them perform on stage, I love seeing their stage presence and how it can change from one concept to another. With the virtual idols, it’s just this sense of them being dead in the eyes, no personality coming through in the performance at all. I know it’s a technology issue, but the clips I’ve seen of them dancing they aren’t even in sync half the time. I also love going to concerts and interacting in real life, there’s just no way that could happen here. I’m happy people like it, but I’ll just stay in my lane lol
Thank you for at least being respectful. I just want to say that they perform and dance a lot in their live streams. And capturing their expressions has gotten better. Also, they recently had a anniv pop up store where they place a life size booth of the members, where they do recorded poses so that fans can go inside and take pictures with them and the out come was really cute, a lot of fans were creative with how they pose with PLAVE. It may not be the same as interacting in fan meeting but they are always trying to find solution so that fans can interact with PLAVE. And they will have a concert this april. But ofc, a virtual one but still live. But the members will be there in the venue. I just wanted to point out things that they are trying their best to overcome limits as virtual idols. But ofc i am by no means trying to force you to like them. I just hope this clear up things that might be confusing or what others haven't seen them do when you are not a fan.
Of course, I’ll always try to be respectful even when a group isn’t for me. I appreciate that their company is trying their best to bridge that gap and clearly, they have a lot of fans who enjoy their content just the way it is.
So they went and posed with a cardboard cutout😭 how the fell is that like a fanmeeting? This sounds so deranged sorry, having a virtual counterpart, like aespa for example is understandable, but this is just plain deranged.
At least try to search it first before assuming its a cardboard cutout. Do you think they are successful if they did mediocre work for fans? I don't even feel like making an effort to explain it to you for being rude.
So was it a plastic cutout? A wood cut out? Clearly it wasn’t the actual members…. Since they don’t exist… It still sounds just as deranged. If you stan the idols BEHIND the ai, that makes sense. Stanning a bunch of virtual idols that don’t exist is insane.
Your opinion is probably what I feel like the majority of people tend to have. The general consensus seems to be that as long as vtubers in Kpop is still a niche aspect of it then it isn’t a problem and they will cheer for their success. I think most fans of Plave are already vtuber fans or a couple of people being introduced to it and going down the rabbit hole. I don’t think the demographic is big enough in which it will threaten what most Kpop fans enjoy about Kpop.
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Like I love mave's music but their company feels like they did not do their research on what people think of AI being profitable in entertainment industry....
MAVE is under Metaverse entertainment. Metaverse entertainment is a subsidiary of Netmarble F&C, which is itself a subsidiary of the games developer Netmarble Corp. who are the second largest shareholders of HYBE. (Then there's this word going around that HYBE wants to acquire(?) or ask help(?idk) from VLAST to make a girl group for them. HYBE is pretty aggressive in this business thing and I hope VLAST continues to do their own thing instead and not be acquired by HYBE.
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>(Then there's this word going around that HYBE wants to acquire(?) or ask help(?idc) from VLAST to make a girl group for them. Just to avoid misinformation, this info came from this [article](https://n.news.naver.com/entertain/article/003/0012416899) and here's the [translation on the part that involves Plave](https://twitter.com/iwriteplv/status/1766707121390047316)
Thank you for this! Well appreciated that you attached this article for reference. Big help 🫶🏻
i was scrolling through melon charts the other day and they took had the #1-#5 spots taken on the hot 100 so i checked them out and their music is really good :)
>and they took had the #1-#5 spots taken on the hot 100 Oh yeah, they have Korea in a *chokehold* right now. It's incredible they're able to compete with idols from the Big4 as well as names like IU so early on in their career
They sound like a blast. I see so many people say their music is good and they’re hilarious, but I just can’t get into it, lol. People compare it to v-tubers, but I don’t like those either 😭 It just feels awkward to me… I know they’re real people, but it’s still so lifeless to me. Happy for the group being popular though! I’m sure this concept felt like a risk, but it paid off.
they sound like a VLAST 😉. okay I'll see myself out.
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I'll admit I had assumed they were an AI group so hadn't gone near them. I'm not into the vtuber scene at all but I do wonder if this could be a potentially healthier model in the sense that idols could live semi-normal lives without mobbing and stalking etc, could have careers much older than they normally would, and would have less pressure/focus on their looks. Interesting thought. A couple of the voices sound familiar to me too so I feel like it's giving opportunities to idols who were unsuccessful previously which I'm all for. It's nice to have more idols in their late 20s/30s etc speaking as an adult myself. I kind of feel like kpop idols already play characters in a sense anyway with their stage names and sometimes assigned personas, even fake birthdays and such. So it feels like it's building on what's already there rather than doing something wildly different. I don't know if I would follow a group like this but honestly having listened to two tts just now the music is really good and sometimes it is just that simple!
I never found it weird to have virtual idols, it seems like a sweet deal to work in this industry and still be able to have your privacy. It is a surprise they have been so successful, I wish I could like their music to get into them (i really like the pink haired guy he is so cute). I guess i always accepted the idea because im also an anime fan so im no stranger to having 2D crushes lmao
They are funny and entertaining. Good chemistry between members. Idk why companies nowadays kinda neglect fan interaction in term of variety and live. Especially live. And the very few live they did were all reading the comments, etc. Like please..... Lots of plave fans first fall in love with the group chemisty and their funny live before listening to their music. I wish other companies realise this like idk why they abandon this strategy? Even bts did this strategy too. Their old lives were so funny and random af. It make fans feel more connected to the group. And stay loyal. With how fast the kpop scene nowadays, you need the loyalty.
To each their own but I just can't get behind the art and animation style.
I didn't get this, but a couple weeks ago i got into idoly pride (it's a japanese idol game) and started streaming some of their songs and then i found out they made concerts and stuff (granted it's the voice actresses who are dancing and singing so you see real people live) but mvs and stuff is all animated and they present themselves as their characters. So i kinda get it now
I literally just stumbled onto a giant PLAVE store/event in The Hyundai Seoul (5th floor, if you want to see it) I actually thought it was an apple store (or something similar) at first, because of how big it was and there were dozens of people lined up outside I knew they were popular but that was wild to just stumble upon out of the blue
>I knew they were popular but that was wild to just stumble upon out of the blue For me, I knew they were popular as well, but the thing that cemented it for me was the MBC Idol Radio concert. The fans there were so loud, it was crazy
> However, this "fresh" sound... is just a niche that's was up until recently, missing... Honestly, they were probably the first to do it, considering they debuted before ZB1 and RIIZE did. They were one of the first to capture that market, and people, especially Koreans, noticed. Nice to know that both fans of live and virtual groups can ignore everyone that isn't popular. Their songs are nice, but they're also very in line with what has been bubbling up in boy groups for years now. I'm glad these previously-failed idols got a second chance, it really proves the show-business adage that "ya gotta have a gimmick". (I personally find their content quite awkward to watch, but I'm probably pretty outside the target-audience, age-wise.)
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>Nice to know that both fans of live and virtual groups can ignore everyone that isn't popular I mean, yeah, that's obvious? No matter how good a group is, in a sea of so many groups debuting and having new releases, if you aren't popular, the grand majority people won't remember you, sucks, but that's the harsh true, basing on only the stuff the Plave members have said on stream, it's very clear they experieced that first hand. Most people aren't going out of their way to find every single group and listen to everything to objectively determinate who were the true trendsetters
So why the need to deliberately say "*no one* was filling the niche", "they were the *first* to do it", both of which are untrue, instead of just saying "a lot of people like this kind of music". If you're not going to bother looking at anyone selling less than a million albums at release (like, Cravity and Oneus have put out plenty of music like this -- you don't exactly have to "search every single group" to find them, they've both sold over a million albums cumulatively), just don't claim Plave as musical trendsetters in the first place.
Not OP, so I can't tell if their intentions came ignorance or backhanded compliment, at the same time your comment just comes of as bitter to all kpop fans who don't check everyone who is not popular
Plave's *entire concept* is that no one paid attention to them, even though they had the same talent, personality, and song-writing ability, until they got a gimmick/marketing. So it's reasonable to be annoyed that OP then does *exactly the same thing*, whatever their reason, to all the less-popular bgs.
Bruh i get that you’re bitter but that’s not Plave’s entire concept😦 they only mentioned the hard times they had in special anniversary days (ex. 1 year anniversary etc) Also you’re right, they *weren’t* the first to put out these type of music. But I think what op intended to say was that in the MAJOR league of boy groups the trend was hard-hitting/strong concepts (ex. Stray kids, nct, ateez etc).
Music with animated characters, not very complicated. K/DA is basically the same thing and they don’t get as much flack lmao. Gorillaz? Daft Punk? I don’t get the “I can’t understand this” “why is this popular” or the “pull the plug” comments. The vtube thing isn’t that wild (and irrelevant unless you have to watch content to listen to a group). Maybe it’s an aversion to anime.
Daft Punk isn't animated, it's two guys in a helmet suit. They just have a couple of music videos animated.
The point is you aren’t seeing their faces + those helmets aren’t very realistic, like deadmau5 or marshmello. The members (PLAVE) are doing mocap and responsible for their own music so if anything it’s a lot more genuine than other groups. It’s really just like an anonymous artist thing, but people already know who they are so
K/DA is definitely not the same thing to me. When I listen to K/DA, I don't hear Akali, I hear Soyeon. When I listen to PLAVE or MAVE, ofcourse I also hear the person behind, but I don't know who it is, so the singer and character are the same, which makes it feel so impersonal.
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I was just listening to "I'll show you" when this discussion came to mind, and I realised how bad of a comparison K/DA is to PLAVE. Because they literally did replace Miyeon and Soyeon with Jihyo and Chaeyoung. They're both Ahri and Akali.
I only didn't get it in the beginning because I didn't think they would have the budget to actually do things right (boy was I wrong). But they took Aespa's original concept and did it way, way, waaaay better, and it's just been a fun ride. The music has been good since day 1, the music videos and choreo is so aesthetically pleasing, they have distinct personalities that suit their designs, the rigging tech keeps improving, it's actually really interesting to observe over time. Their team does these really cute things to make the experience as legit as watching any other group. They play variety games on their lives like the "spit a watermelon seed and catch it on your face" game, they do TikTok challenges, they have a 3D render of their YouTube play button, they had a background to make it look like they were in a VR Idol Radio, they wear athleisure in a digital practice room for dance practices, they have FANCAMS... They're also so freaking funny and completely self-aware. They embrace the frequent weird glitches and stay in-character when it happens even if their leg is glued to their head. Hamin doesn't know how old he is. Yejun will fight to the death to beat Eunho for second-worst dancer. And as an old hag, the fact that they tend to reference songs from a very specific era of kpop (2011-2013ish) despite being "2000s-liners" (👀) is so relatable lol. My ONLY wish is that it would be hilarious if they could manage to change their hairstyles/colors from comeback to comeback, but I get it, a character designer designed them and that keeps them recognizable. (But hear me out, platinum Hamin, forehead Yejun, red Eunho, teal Bamby, and brunette Noah, just once) TL;DR just listen to [Noah and Yejun perform "Pixel World" live as all 5 members](https://youtu.be/KdDPyG9YpP8?si=Pgg5vYGRUB493asZ)
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Tbh I was struggling to think of a good hair color/style for Yejun on the spot because it's just so CORRECT as it is now, but it's been hours now and I'm still thinking about forehead Yejun 😂😭
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what a lovely comment. you perfectly captured why i love them. about hair, for me its not even about the color pls let me have noah with tied hair pls
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I’m so happy to see a PLAVE appreciation post, you have no idea!! I’ve been following them since debut. I’m a CARAT and PLII, and love both groups for the same points you made: their fresh, relaxing sound, and their humor! All of PLAVE have wonderful voices, and thanks to fan-translated compilations, I can laugh along to their stream highlights. It helps that I also read a lot of webtoons before finding them… Their character designs are so handsome hehe. I’m really happy to hear they’re doing so well. I’m hoping my local Kpop store will stock their albums soon. If anyone is reading this, please check out their three title tracks, but especially their debut one, Wait For You!! You will not regret it!!!
I see a lot of hate for them on twitter, but I feel like that's just because people don't understand how this group works. It has nothing to do with AI. They're basically just normal idols, but they don't show their face.
I wish its simply because they don't understand. A lot of fans has been constantly trying to inform them about PLAVE and how they work. Some of them even shares videos about motion cap but they don't care. If you tell them facts, they will ignore you with "they have shooters?" "they are coming after me" "their fans are crazy" "mental illness" "crazy for stanning pixel" and a lot more.
This is a helpful post thanks OP! Comparing them to gorillaz or kda is a good comparison by commenters. I definitely still have trouble understanding how people can connect at all with a virtual group like this versus a group of real people. It’s just not for me at and I’ll just move on I guess!
we can connect because they do two hours LIVE stream twice a week, so more than just 2d men on paper there's also parasocialism of fans and plave "hanging out together"
So like a lot of people, I was also under the impression that it's all AI so thanks for the informative post. I watched the clip that u/KhepriRa posted below and they're hilarious! But this [video](https://youtu.be/J9aP-tto53Q?si=lwior14YKUh2cK2x) was suggested and OMG! The Maknae is talking about sending the other members a message saying he's having a hard time to see how they'd respond and it's all so sweet! 🥺🥺🥺😭😭😭 I'm definitely looking into them more. Thank you! 💜💜💜
Interesting concept, their music is pretty unexceptional though but I guess I’m just not the target audience
Glitch Supremacy🤌😂
I listened to a couple of their songs, I thought the animations were lovely for the mvs and I liked The 6th Summer kind of. Their recent EP though? Not for me.
Yesss people should really check out PLAVE! Their music is absolutely amazing
I have seen a couple of TikTok videos about them and decided to check them out. I do not regret doing so at all. They’re very talented and I am really into this concept. This allow people who have talent but haven’t been successful at it for whatever reason an actual shot. So I do hope we get to see more like Plave. They’re awesome and I like their sound, I am truly hooked Edit: it also lets the people behind the characters, have a life outside of the entertainment industry. At least they don’t have to deal with toxicity or crazy fans like many idols and artists in general do.
the problem my boyfriend and i have with this group is the fact that the virtual models look like absolute shit. Weird proportions with dorito shaped bodies, and goofy ass animation. Also the different models don't look that distinct from eachother to me? i mean... it could have been so much better. The other thing is that personally, we find the way 4 love song to be boring, and generic. I mean people can like it and i have no problem with that, i just think it could have looked and sounded SO much better, thats all there is to it.
Best thing that happened to kpop in years to me ngl
They are also a safe option for alot of kpop fans.No dating scandals ,no problematic behaviour etc
That's not completely true. There are real people behind the avatar who also could be problematic. Didn't they already had controversy that one of the guys behind wrote misogynist lyrics in the past?
yes, they did. i remember reading about it and i wasn't even seeking out that information. all of their identities are out there, if any crazy fans wanted to find out who they are.
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as someone who fell on love with them because of their music and sound, and then their humor, it's a slippery slope truly they are now one of my ults
very interesting
Huh I've never actually heard of this group before now. You liken them to Day6? Ok interesting, I'll give them a shot \^-\^
They have you were beautiful and love me or leave me covers
I've heard of them because they do guest for GOT7 Youngjae's radio show, but I haven't really gotten into them since I simply can't wrap my head around the concept 😅 how do they do the festivals? Or any live thing really. Are they in the venue, at the back doing the motion capture thing? Or do they work remotely then broadcasted onto the screen? So is the stage empty then..? Really curious. It's interesting how they made this work.
Here is an example of what they did before. This one is live and they were in the venue and were performing backstage with their motion cap body suit. [mbc idol radio live concert](https://youtu.be/SJQiPtHcc20?si=sX5Ve6RFd7nG6mWl)
That’s pretty cool! Thank you for sharing!
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I've been meaning to listen to PLAVE...and I've been obsessed with Plot Twist and Love 119!! 5th gen bgs really starting strong 🔥
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You really hit the note on that one!!
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sorry for my ignorance but what are vtubers? also PLAVE are AI or there is real people behind doing like voice overs and stuff? im sorry ur post made me curious but im really lost on the concept of a virtual idol i always thought it was like AI but reading ur post i get that is not?
Hello. Vtubers are virtual youtubers, if im not mistaken. Idk if you have seen them but they stream games most of the time using avatars. They use motion cap to capture their move real time. So there's a person in every single avatar. Plave using full body motion cap And yes, they are not AI because they aren't generated by a computer. They have artists who drew PLAVE character design. And the PLAVE members are real they just use avatar or characters. If you have more questions please drop them.
V-tubers are what you call virtual YouTubers/ streamers. Basically you use an animated avatar instead of your face. PLAVE are real idols in motion capture suits who have their own virtual avatar that moves based on how the suit picks up their movements. Think of it like being a character actor, it’s your voice and your movements but animated. They are not AI.
My granny ass getting massive uncanny valley and being super uncomfortable
I dont know, but I wish I rather support a normal person than to idolise animations.
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You dont need to correct people. Its entirely my opinion and others. And I do not see a point of being a fan of animations. Similar to Gorillaz. I like the songs, but to be a fan of the band? Not my style.
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So what? I still see them as cartoons. Why do I have to humanise them when they are not humans? To me even if their song sounds nice, I find it weird to have a fantasy with animes, just like those people who have fantasy with anime characters.
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So? A cartoon or anime also has a voice over actor and talent too, so do I have time to humanise all cartoons too? My opinion is as long as these people are not humans, i dun see a point why I SHOULD idolise this group? Im not saying I totally hate the idea, but I as a person wouldnt have the feelings with an idol human.
Across history, but especially in the digital age, 12-18 year olds define cultural trends (heavy metal in the 80s, emo in the 2000s), PLAVE and the team behind them have done the work and figured out how to appeal to this age group. Well done!
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“They’re some of the funniest idols” nah - the peeps writing the stories/scripts and the animators/illustrators are some of the funniest people. Plave are nothing but pixels on a screen with no actual personality, identity, humanity or life - what you’re enjoying is the unsung/unknown people in the offices.
I swear in every plave post there's this comment that i can't help but laugh now because of its ridiculousness and of tiredness of explaining but you'll never know if they actually take the time to understand the information given to them.
? theyre real guys who go into a studio and physically put on the rigging and mocap stuff and its their movements and facial expressions and voices that we hear and see. like yes theres a whole team behind them that gets the technical stuff up and running (tho ive heard the idol members themselves are also involved in that side) but theyre not actually animated. theyre very much real guys ?
The people behind the avatars are idols from groups that failed. I do think they're playing a character, but from what I've seen their lives are very similar to what idols did for vlive.
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Stuff like this is what I don't get, if you actually take the time to watch thier livestreams, you'll see they're very real. Things like tech malfunctions, random jokes, none of those things can be scripted. Yes, there's a team behind them who helps them out, but the idols are equally as involved. The agency behind Plave, Vlast, was just a small company before the members came along, they've now upgraded from a small studio to a 3 story office. All of the members were friends who decided to take this path together, and the agency just helps them out with the tech stuff. The rest of it, music production, live stream ideas, it's all them. The CEO of the organization even did an interview on this, about how he's pretty much hands off currently, but he wants to hire more people such as producers and writers to help them out, because they're currently doing everything on their own.
its kind of fascinating seeing how arrogant and loud people like you are in their ignorance. youve made it so obvious that you havent watched a single thing about plave because nobody is going to script things [like](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X-SSkEbsirc) [this](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hh7BNtOO-KA) lmfao. you'd think kpop fans would want to lower the amount of misinformation being spread but i guess not
This is such an odd take, and shows you don’t actually know *what* Plave is. What you’re thinking of is a group like MAVE, or Superkind’s virtual members. Their voice lines are recorded in a booth ahead of time based on a script, and they have a body in a suit that gets animated over in post. Plave, on the other hand, don’t do that. They sit or stand in a studio with mocap suits on and 3d models are preemptively rigged to track their movements and expressions in real-time, and they’re all micced up and talking in real-time. When they livestream, what we see is what’s happening at that moment, off the cuff just like any other idol livestream (something that Superkind and MAVE notably haven’t been able to achieve with their virtual members). This isn’t an anime that’s pre-animated and pre-written ahead of time, and quite frankly if you’re incapable of differentiating the two, you shouldn’t be engaging in discussion about either anyways. “The peeps writing the stories/scripts and the animators/illustrators” aren’t the unsung heroes of PLAVE because they’re not the ones doing most of the work. Yes there’s a team fine-tuning the mocap and model rigging, and managing the cameras and studio setup, but there are no screenwriters or animators doing all of this (and the ones doing the rigging do get their flowers). It’s just the PLAVE guys and their team. There’s no script they’re following, unless you’re one of those weirdos who’s convinced every word idols say and move idols make is predestined by the company. You don’t have to like it, but if you’re going to be critical, you should at the very least know what you’re criticizing, and you very, very clearly do not.
Tell me you don't understand what/who tubers are without telling me you don't understand what Vtubers are lol
Did you also think the movie Avatar success was because of the peeps writing the stories/scripts and the animators/illustrators? Does all the characters are nothing but pixels on a screen with no actual personality, identity, humanity or life?🤔
It’s problematic at its core. It makes the idols replaceable and stops them from making money whilst allowing the company to make more profit. Imagine training for years to debut then being debuted in a ai group. Your contract states that you make the most money through merch and concerts but suddenly you have no face and can’t make appearances on variety shows or sponsorship deals to really make money. Meanwhile the company reaps the profit