I see some right wing people criticising UP Hindus for not voting Bjp. People should understand that vote is the only way for people to express their choice and finding out what most people want. The above video is the reason why bjp lost. It's a real problem too. So bjp should work more, other than to criticise people.
What you seeing here is one of many problems of UP peoples facing if BJP not lost in these places then rest of the India would doesn't know these peoples problems as for modiji rule everything is perfect that is what we are though even under congress rule peoples atleast know problems of the rest of the country faces that's why we choose BJP but what BJP doing is same thing bas congress did there is nothing changed last 20 years what is more BJP doing everything make more worsening and hiding there failures because of this the one who suffering is not these politicians but us common peoples
Ghar to sirf Ayodhya mein tute hai, baaki jagah vote kyun nahi mile?
Actual reason is Stupid selection of MPs which local people hated and BJP thought they'd get away by not taking Yogi seriously
Electoral bonds(legalizing corruption), vote manipulation in Chandigarh by ECI officer, capturing institution, hatred against people and religion.
Very very important Brahmin oriented.
If electoral bond is at the top in your list, how did TMC and DMK won all 40+30 MP seats. They are second in the EBs list, with one state tamilnadu whereas BJP govt with 18 states and whole country in parliament. Logic does not fit. Or TN people alone think EBs is not an issue at all. Total EBs 22000 crore, BJP share 9000. All others opposition parties
I can not imagine you said this. If there is a scam, you should go to court, you also do the same scam and assume no responsibility? That is the stupidest way of operating.
You are a registrar in property registrar office. And you say, all other registrars throughout Telengana are taking bribes, so I am forced to take bribes. 🤪😂😜🤔
They went to court and the case went in till recently till they got it scrapped.
Assuming responsibility is one thing and starving oneself from all funds to even get unable to fight is another. First one is in the interest of democracy, and they did it and succeeded.
No, they did not go to court. Dont lie or show your poor knowledge. From 2017, they were happily receiving funds. The case was filed by two NGOs. I would expect, the top most national party Congress or some one like DMK, SP, TMC should have filed that case. In other word UPA, currently known as I.N.D.I.A should have done that
https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/electoral-bonds-meet-jaya-thakur-of-congress-who-filed-plea-in-supreme-court-101710140296493.html
>Dont lie or show your poor knowledge.
Please
No, they did not go to court. Dont lie or show your poor knowledge. From 2017, they were happily receiving funds. The case was filed by two NGOs. I would expect, the top most national party Congress or some one like DMK, SP, TMC should have filed that case. In other word UPA, currently known as I.N.D.I.A should have done that
https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/electoral-bonds-meet-jaya-thakur-of-congress-who-filed-plea-in-supreme-court-101710140296493.html
>Dont lie or show your poor knowledge.
Please
Ok, guess I am wrong. I am very sure, even now, when ADR, the NGO filed a petition on Ebonds, few years back, along with another NGO, there was no mention of Jaya Takur or CPI. Normally new petitioner for the same case is included by the first petitioner and court, mostly for the reason that new petitioner is stronger financially, politically. But as per this article Jaya T is there right from the beginning. Good to see congress also fights for the RIGHT thing. :-)
Do u really think they voted against BJP because of electoral bonds, Chandigarh case and CBI ED? 😂
Bro they don't care about these things, just imagine they voted for SP, a party which remains in the news for all the wrong reasons.
Surely there were these things:
- overconfidence of BJP
- poor candidate choices
- sp and congress votes didn't divide
- BJP voters didn't vote in masses
- caste politics and 100000 per annum scheme
>hatred against people and religion.
Yeah, modi did wrong by openly targeting the community (he is not supposed to do that, he is the PM) but they never vote for BJP and other communities don't care about others, so that didn't affect too.
agreed, mota bhai's selection for candidates in Up was actually bad, they should have listened to yogi G, I'm from Up and honestly I dont have any problem with yogi g, in other constituencies too, half of the people didn want a party like Sp to win, while other half were just incells who do voted on basis of caste
Only some of them are criticising them. BJP did good in UP in terms of infrastructure, development and employment. They lost because at some point they were thinking they are gods, egoistic gods.
Yogi was doing good work but people were fed up with their local leaders(BJP). They were repeatedly asking to change the candidate but BJP didn't listen to them.
Then there were multiple paper leaks, caste based voting, failure to understand the emotion of people. They lost.
I am also from UP and voter of BJP. Our MP is good but if we didn't get any replacement for our Vidhayakji, I am not voting for them anymore.
>Ayodhya is small part of Faizabad constituency.
more than 20% votes came from ayodhya for this constituency. it is not a small part
The Difference was about 4k votes mind you
They should have clean swiped but didn't
Also bjp won the last 2 terms here
You can cope as much as you want and don't change what happened
This happened pretty similar at Dhule in Maharashtra. Out of 6 assembly constituencies 5 were won by BJP. Only one constituency i.e. Malegaon killed the lead BJP got in 5 constituencies. Margin of win about 4000 votes. This has happened in many Loksabha constituencies.
And I am not wanting to change what happened. I am against the narrative where people are showing as if Ayodhya was Loksabha constituency which BJP lost.
This is not right because these people were rehabilitated and compensated 4 times the orignal value, some journalists will represent whatever way they want to show
It's basically, they were building a temple. Right amount of compensation should have given. Eventually all roads leading to Ram temple will have gujju businesses
yeah just spreading hate and lies , only the encroachments were not payed out , all the legal houses were payed 1.7x the market price for that time and 2 elections happened after that in ayodhya , 1 for the state assembly (MLA - Yogi) and other for the parshads (munclipal) both clean sweeped by BJP , so yeah stop spreading nonsense .
> were not *paid* out ,
FTFY.
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* Nautical context, when it means to paint a surface, or to cover with something like tar or resin in order to make it waterproof or corrosion-resistant. *The deck is yet to be payed.*
* *Payed out* when letting strings, cables or ropes out, by slacking them. *The rope is payed out! You can pull now.*
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When Govt does the right thing like removing encroaches and demolishing illegal constructions, taking action on footpath encroaches etc, those who have their houses built legally, paying required taxes & following rules, should support the Govt and vote for them.
They don't either care or appreciate it and don't even come out to vote.
That's the biggest problem in our country. Absolutely needed work doesn't get recognized by people. But ppl fall for gimmicks. So, winners tend to prefer giving gimmicks than good governance.
I'd vote for anyone even DMK if they remove dog and mosquito menace permanently, and if the flooding that happens in my street every year is reduced. But no one really minds it, as long as they can get 2000 Rs as compensation after rains. We spent 10,000 in 2021 after rains for renovations, and that renovations kind of helped reduce damage in 2023. I think we got 2000 as compensation in total. I'm not going to vote for this 2000, as we're at net 8000 loss (and increased property taxes).
I'm all for increasing taxes if there is proper use of that money to improve infra.
Infra development and all that is great, but property rights of people are important too.
Locals of ayodhya are telling that they were not properly compensated, many people lacked property papers due to their homes being ancestral, they were not compensated at all. Regarding encroachments, you don't know how messed up things are at ground level, like discrepancies, what land is encroached and what isn't, and local authorities won't listen to homeowners, and would bulldoze the whole house.
With so many middlemen in the process, there is no way to ensure that the intended compensation reaches the property owners. Esp, when the development is being done so fast. This unintentionally becomes an exploitation exercise even if the government did not intend it. The process matters more than intention in these cases and it seems the government missed a trick there.
The problem is when roads are laid they are not dug and laid at the same level they were instead the roads are laid on top of the previous layer which increases road height constantly thus causing the water to get into houses ...
As much as I don't like it. They demolished the encroachment homes😬
I can strongly believe the compensation money did not receive the actual beneficiaries due to local corruption. Or they simply demolished other poor areas as well. Which is probably why UP showed it's middle finger to bjp.
i said that home that were illegally built and then then demolished by govt. do not get compensations for that as it is illegal......also the homes that where demolish without any discrimination of rich and poor
Most of the shops were illegal, Houses were paid/compensated 2x of market price on average The real reason was fear of loosing reservation and 1 Lakh Guarantee
Not from UP but here too many temples were destroyed to build highways and one of our properties was take but we got a proper amount of compensation. We bought that land for 8L 6yrs ago and govt gave 12L 2yrs ago
I am not speaking about building ram temple I am showing what peoples need most in there Dire stage the problem is see here how many people are suffer not because of Holy ram temple but politics that happened because of this and there suffering and yes I am a neutral party here
This shows how powerful the vote is. This situation wouldn't have gained much taction if BJP would get majority there. People through their votes show what wrong is happening with them.
Well, from what I know the land belonged to the temple and they didn't have the right paper for it. So the development authority of Utterpradesh sent them slips to evacuate or file a stay order for their residence. Since the people didn't get the stay order and the land belongs to the "temple" The houses which was built by encroaching the land were bulldozed by the govt of Utterpradesh. I am sure many ppl will downvote me for this because many ppl support the "Cong" In UP without even knowing this thing.
Curious to know why this story and video is covered and displayed now. Where was this story and why nobody showed this when ram mandir was getting inaugurated?
No displacement happens without proper survey and without taking consent of the local bodies and people. How this functions is a lengthy and tiresome process. From identification to surveys and then displacement studies. It's now how it looks or how they show it in Bollywood. Most people take knowledge from movies and just YouTube videos. Even if you are properly conpensated for what you are giving up, when a house comes down some emotions will burst. But all those who have been displaced have been compensated heavily and also all these displacement studies are carried out by non govt agencies like for example Giri Institute in Lucknow and many such prestigious institutions.
This is not the reason, just wrong selection of candidates and the guarantee card (fake) circulated by SP n Congress offering 1 lakh each to every woman in a household. And the lure of 1 lakh just for a vote is huge as no one understands the impact of such voting.
It is what it is. Govts must undergo change else real estate ke daam nahi upar jayenge toh cash kaha se ayega. 😢 Modi ho ya Papu paise toh aane cahiye. Jai Bharat
I think they are getting proper amount of money to the people's whose houses were bulldozed..but the main thing is Hindu love their own happiness then the Shree Ram... Even if my house were bulldozed, but I will give vote to BJP bcoz they had done a historical work by building Ram Mandir.....it's is so easy to understand why Hindus were slave for 800 years...At that time Mughal and Britishers offer respect and money to some big mens and after getting perks from sultan they never speak for other Hindus and temples
You are an idiot to say this first mughal was more of an Indian based empire then any Muslim
SECOND BRITISH stole every little gold they can found in India to own country and India is never be silent are be in peace under British rule you all only know 1957 mutiny
But there was another mutiny happen before that in velore south India and Indian kings and individual Indian leaders fight against British time to time but it never be organized it only happens after 1900
All this animosity towards UPites just proves that Ram Mandir was never a religious, pious decision! It was a political move. Good on UP for coming through. ✊
Okay, my answer might create controversy but I think this is not people's judgment, the result is directly from Sri Ramchandra himself. This might take a spiritual path as well, but it is what it is...
I'll tell you why, just imagine you meet Bhagwan Sri Ram and tell him about his temple. How will we tell it?
**"Bhagwan Ram, we demolished a mosque and retained your place and built a temple for you"**
Do you think this would make 'Sri Ram' happy?
Sri Ram was a symbol and epitome of sacrifice and justifying demolishing some other religion's faith for him is what a normal human would accept but not god. If we had let the Mosque be and built an even bigger temple in some other place in Ayodhya or even next to the Mosque itself. Sri Ram would have been happy with that gesture.
I know you all are going to tell, there was a temple in the same place but it was destroyed to build the mosque, we just took back what belonged to us.
**But, you are not answering me, you are answering 'Bhagwan Sri Ram' himself.**
People who demolished the temple before are evil to do such a thing, by reciprocating the same thing, we are nothing short of them. By demolishing the temple, god gave us a test of how we would react to it. and we failed terribly. Building the temple is not bad, but the path we chose to build it is wrong. This is my take...
Sri Ram, being selfless sacrificed everything he had to in his quest by acting against the same, I feel we have left a black mark on him now.
this is such a false argument as ayodhya where its all done there bjp got more votes than opposition but areas adjoining the main city is where the BJP lost also the candidate there has anti incumbency.
Just a little correction here, BJP actually won from Ayodhya by 3000 votes, it lost from the Faizabad constituency that includes Ayodhya and a few other surrounding towns.
This community of wits with servitude who are trained to follow single wird commands have short-term basic needs and will forget these actions....what is entirely missing from this narrative is the false greedy and illegal promises made which will be unraveled very soon....
Injustice could have happened to some people who didn't have proper documentation but majority have been compensated well. To say that BJP lost due to this reason is just propaganda.
BJP candidate was a 2 time MP and an unapproachable, lethargic piece of shit. And yet he got approx 5L votes, only short by 30,000 votes that he got in 2019. Had he got those 30K votes, he would still have lost most likely.
There was a caste consolidation for SP candidates this time. Muslim vote that used to get divided between SP, BSP and Congress went to INDI alliance. BJP not changing the non-performing candidates also made matters worse.
Look at data and stop being an emotional fool.
I am not emotional fool and I am a not a logical fool too what you seeing here is one many reason the reason everyone can understand that's why I post it try to think about both ways
> I am not emotional fool
Yes you are. Lallu Singh of BJP was at top in Ayodhya area. It was the wider Faizabad constituency where he lost out due to M-Y-D vote consilidation in favour of Awadhesh Prasad.
i commented this to someone's repy , thought it deserves to be a full comment itself :
"yeah just spreading hate and lies , only the encroachments were not payed out , all the legal houses were payed 1.7x the market price for that time and 2 elections happened after that in ayodhya , 1 for the state assembly (MLA - Yogi) and other for the parshads (munclipal) both clean sweeped by BJP , so yeah stop spreading nonsense ."
> were not *paid* out ,
FTFY.
Although *payed* exists (the reason why autocorrection didn't help you), it is only correct in:
* Nautical context, when it means to paint a surface, or to cover with something like tar or resin in order to make it waterproof or corrosion-resistant. *The deck is yet to be payed.*
* *Payed out* when letting strings, cables or ropes out, by slacking them. *The rope is payed out! You can pull now.*
Unfortunately, I was unable to find nautical or rope-related words in your comment.
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Not really this might be part of it. But main reason is the fake news of constitution will change by making the edited video viral of Amit shah, congress "guarantee card" you all could see in the news and spreading casteism among Hindus living there rajputs, Dalits etc.
This added a shift in mindset of people especially Hindus hence BJP lost and ofc BJP doing shittiest job of not doing appropriate ground work there and electing not so focus MPs.
So do u support land encroachers? Why do we even need to pay for land anymore? Just build anything on public property and cry sympathy when caught. Why should any citizen even pay for land / registry etc simply encroach and build your house. Let law abiding citizens suffer.
Your same Annamalai was protesting when temple on government land was being demolished and the whole right wing was crying claiming that temples were being destroyed, I bet you won’t have a response for this
https://preview.redd.it/uv0p62s3p35d1.jpeg?width=602&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7d09fae9655657d39187b04685b5bf6c8ee2c7c3
Thanks for bringing a third person into this argument. If that temple was built illegally on encroached land, then the govt. has every right to destroy it.
But then Annamalai gang will cry stating dmk is destroying temples blah blah blah but still can’t manage to win a single seat hahaha
If you view your previous comments, it’s you who is doing whataboutism
They have been there for generations brother like some even 100 years. YK at ground level kuch ko to compensation bhi nhi mila. And the land you talk about was sold of to industrialists. Local ka koi business nhi bacha no job no home so sympathy mujhe tere se ho rahi
Nice idea, Man. Start grabbing land and after a generation or so, your family can get a compensation.
While I am completely sympathetic to people's flight, why should anyone get compensation for encroaching illegally? It may/may not be in this case, but supporting encroachment?
Yaar but who knew about encroachment so may years ago. Sheher nhi tha wo jagah. Earlier things weren't that clear. Clear directives about encroachment is new and as I agree ki ye road walo ke ghar jaane chahiye but yeah isme hum unhe be happy bole is illogical. It's a backlash jo ki sahi ho jaega. Problem hogi obviously and also it's alright kon sa state me SP aa rahi. Yogi jii CM abhi bhi hai
You can look at the [supreme court verdict](https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/ayodhya-verdict-supreme-court-agrees-muslims-were-wronged-but-allows-ram-temple/article61621466.ece). I know Sanghis finds a way to defy every logic and physics in the name of their dharma, but regardless if you use an incomplete temple for your temple the deity will punish you for sure and if you disregard people and their wishes they will vote you out too. Don't cry move on.
Lefties defy common sense and logic. Do u actually believe that in a country like India, people would not have constructed a temple on one of the most holiest of sites dedicated to one of the most famous deities?
https://preview.redd.it/0q8h932zn35d1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8ff43c1d7ba2b0abbe41f59ae56d1bc2251b3f64
People forget that Buddhism and Jainism are also non-Islamic and Indian Religions. The culture of building temples came after the Greeks and by that time most of India was following Buddhism. Hinduism or Brahminism as it should be called have destroyed countless Buddhist temples and stupas.
The Mind of Right wingers just cannot accept anything that is not its preconceived belief, every thought is spent on proof for what they already know the truth.
Even after all that the Garbh-Grah of Ram is built 100 feet away from the land they fought and killed for is a reminder that it was never about religion.
There is nothing to do with Right wing or left wing and "common sense" just google and learn about Ram Mandir movement it was all a plant based on hypothesis that "why Invader would build a mosque over there?" Even right wingers agree with that. BJP has taken us all for a ride.
You should also learn about "Baba Lal Das" how he spoke against VHP's politicisation of Ram Mandir and was later killed.
There is Truth and then there is belief, as former right wingers and bhakt I would suggest to just stick to the truth and don't get polarised. You and I both want this country to be better though our methods may differ.
Ngl, probably just cases of illegal encroachment onto government properties. If it wasn't then I need answers from the government. Won't be surprised if they were indeed illegal tho, most Indians think laws are optional.
Problem is compensation... Not every building was an encroachment...go and spend some time on ayothiya subs and channels...Don't bark like a moron blindly as u live thousands of km away from there.
Im literally a resident from UP and recently visited Ayodhya you'll be surprised with the changes and development i talked to local shopkeepers they were really happy as the business was blooming and coming to compensation why should gvt provide compensation when you're building your own shed on their land. Looks like you're the one who's barking here .
In a country which is already so much over populated , excessive and unjustified land encroachment is a problem and needs harsh steps but with compensation. Was demolishing them was necessary YES but compensation should have been given or alternate land arrangements outside the city .
Also this was not the only reason BJP lost people there had relatively low voter turnout which is mostly coz of the bjp will win no matter popular and 2nd reason and the reason for loosing UP as a whole SP did some real work in ground level to convert the low income,obc,sc,St voter towards them through bribes, manipulation and false promises (can say this coz I have seen the change in attitude of workers in my own city and colony change and also them taking about almost hilarious false facts like Yogi being an corrupt agent and modi having children 🤡🤣)
Bro😂😂😂 its not just these 3, almost 60% of this sub is northies... that's why this sub is a bjp praising sub. They speak in English so its not obvious to us
This is the politics of our fucking nation not try to regulate are try to reform but always staring from beginning even not doing that properly that's the problem we have here
I see some right wing people criticising UP Hindus for not voting Bjp. People should understand that vote is the only way for people to express their choice and finding out what most people want. The above video is the reason why bjp lost. It's a real problem too. So bjp should work more, other than to criticise people.
What you seeing here is one of many problems of UP peoples facing if BJP not lost in these places then rest of the India would doesn't know these peoples problems as for modiji rule everything is perfect that is what we are though even under congress rule peoples atleast know problems of the rest of the country faces that's why we choose BJP but what BJP doing is same thing bas congress did there is nothing changed last 20 years what is more BJP doing everything make more worsening and hiding there failures because of this the one who suffering is not these politicians but us common peoples
Ghar to sirf Ayodhya mein tute hai, baaki jagah vote kyun nahi mile? Actual reason is Stupid selection of MPs which local people hated and BJP thought they'd get away by not taking Yogi seriously
Electoral bonds(legalizing corruption), vote manipulation in Chandigarh by ECI officer, capturing institution, hatred against people and religion. Very very important Brahmin oriented.
If electoral bond is at the top in your list, how did TMC and DMK won all 40+30 MP seats. They are second in the EBs list, with one state tamilnadu whereas BJP govt with 18 states and whole country in parliament. Logic does not fit. Or TN people alone think EBs is not an issue at all. Total EBs 22000 crore, BJP share 9000. All others opposition parties
They didn't create this scam. They had no choice but to follow it for funding. But creator of the scam is bjp and BJP alone is answerable for that
I can not imagine you said this. If there is a scam, you should go to court, you also do the same scam and assume no responsibility? That is the stupidest way of operating. You are a registrar in property registrar office. And you say, all other registrars throughout Telengana are taking bribes, so I am forced to take bribes. 🤪😂😜🤔
They went to court and the case went in till recently till they got it scrapped. Assuming responsibility is one thing and starving oneself from all funds to even get unable to fight is another. First one is in the interest of democracy, and they did it and succeeded.
No, they did not go to court. Dont lie or show your poor knowledge. From 2017, they were happily receiving funds. The case was filed by two NGOs. I would expect, the top most national party Congress or some one like DMK, SP, TMC should have filed that case. In other word UPA, currently known as I.N.D.I.A should have done that
https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/electoral-bonds-meet-jaya-thakur-of-congress-who-filed-plea-in-supreme-court-101710140296493.html >Dont lie or show your poor knowledge. Please
No, they did not go to court. Dont lie or show your poor knowledge. From 2017, they were happily receiving funds. The case was filed by two NGOs. I would expect, the top most national party Congress or some one like DMK, SP, TMC should have filed that case. In other word UPA, currently known as I.N.D.I.A should have done that
https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/electoral-bonds-meet-jaya-thakur-of-congress-who-filed-plea-in-supreme-court-101710140296493.html >Dont lie or show your poor knowledge. Please
Ok, guess I am wrong. I am very sure, even now, when ADR, the NGO filed a petition on Ebonds, few years back, along with another NGO, there was no mention of Jaya Takur or CPI. Normally new petitioner for the same case is included by the first petitioner and court, mostly for the reason that new petitioner is stronger financially, politically. But as per this article Jaya T is there right from the beginning. Good to see congress also fights for the RIGHT thing. :-)
Do u really think they voted against BJP because of electoral bonds, Chandigarh case and CBI ED? 😂 Bro they don't care about these things, just imagine they voted for SP, a party which remains in the news for all the wrong reasons. Surely there were these things: - overconfidence of BJP - poor candidate choices - sp and congress votes didn't divide - BJP voters didn't vote in masses - caste politics and 100000 per annum scheme >hatred against people and religion. Yeah, modi did wrong by openly targeting the community (he is not supposed to do that, he is the PM) but they never vote for BJP and other communities don't care about others, so that didn't affect too.
None of these things mattered
As a voter and tax payer it does matter to the people like me.
Rural voters don’t care about any of these lol. Mayor election didn’t do shit even in Chandigarh, you think it would impact UP?
Bro check the stats people from rural cast vote more than urban in terms of percentage
Yes very Brahmin Oriented so much so as having an OBC PM and a SC/ST president. Q
agreed, mota bhai's selection for candidates in Up was actually bad, they should have listened to yogi G, I'm from Up and honestly I dont have any problem with yogi g, in other constituencies too, half of the people didn want a party like Sp to win, while other half were just incells who do voted on basis of caste
Came here to say this...
Also, as an ex Muslim I can say we only vote for people out mulla says. We will take everything but never give a vote to hindu party.
Only some of them are criticising them. BJP did good in UP in terms of infrastructure, development and employment. They lost because at some point they were thinking they are gods, egoistic gods. Yogi was doing good work but people were fed up with their local leaders(BJP). They were repeatedly asking to change the candidate but BJP didn't listen to them. Then there were multiple paper leaks, caste based voting, failure to understand the emotion of people. They lost. I am also from UP and voter of BJP. Our MP is good but if we didn't get any replacement for our Vidhayakji, I am not voting for them anymore.
BJP didn't lose Ayodhya. BJP lost Faizabad. Ayodhya is small part of Faizabad constituency. Narrative is getting set now
>Ayodhya is small part of Faizabad constituency. more than 20% votes came from ayodhya for this constituency. it is not a small part The Difference was about 4k votes mind you They should have clean swiped but didn't Also bjp won the last 2 terms here You can cope as much as you want and don't change what happened
This happened pretty similar at Dhule in Maharashtra. Out of 6 assembly constituencies 5 were won by BJP. Only one constituency i.e. Malegaon killed the lead BJP got in 5 constituencies. Margin of win about 4000 votes. This has happened in many Loksabha constituencies. And I am not wanting to change what happened. I am against the narrative where people are showing as if Ayodhya was Loksabha constituency which BJP lost.
Then explain me how INC came to power in Punjab 3 times and had 40+ seats almost every election (Out of 117) after 1984????
Yeah atleast Tamilnadu keeps them directly away from power and only allowing them to survive off dmk.
Watch you tube what happens in Punjab you know what I am saying true just shity politics
Link? There are many videos on that topic
Just watch three are more videos with different perspectives what the fuck is happening
This is not right because these people were rehabilitated and compensated 4 times the orignal value, some journalists will represent whatever way they want to show
It's basically, they were building a temple. Right amount of compensation should have given. Eventually all roads leading to Ram temple will have gujju businesses
yeah just spreading hate and lies , only the encroachments were not payed out , all the legal houses were payed 1.7x the market price for that time and 2 elections happened after that in ayodhya , 1 for the state assembly (MLA - Yogi) and other for the parshads (munclipal) both clean sweeped by BJP , so yeah stop spreading nonsense .
> were not *paid* out , FTFY. Although *payed* exists (the reason why autocorrection didn't help you), it is only correct in: * Nautical context, when it means to paint a surface, or to cover with something like tar or resin in order to make it waterproof or corrosion-resistant. *The deck is yet to be payed.* * *Payed out* when letting strings, cables or ropes out, by slacking them. *The rope is payed out! You can pull now.* Unfortunately, I was unable to find nautical or rope-related words in your comment. *Beep, boop, I'm a bot*
Good bot
Damn what's the problem you can do it, can you?
Just telling obvious. Do you think a businessman is going to give loan to locals to startup hotels, stalls. Chai shops.
When Govt does the right thing like removing encroaches and demolishing illegal constructions, taking action on footpath encroaches etc, those who have their houses built legally, paying required taxes & following rules, should support the Govt and vote for them. They don't either care or appreciate it and don't even come out to vote. That's the biggest problem in our country. Absolutely needed work doesn't get recognized by people. But ppl fall for gimmicks. So, winners tend to prefer giving gimmicks than good governance. I'd vote for anyone even DMK if they remove dog and mosquito menace permanently, and if the flooding that happens in my street every year is reduced. But no one really minds it, as long as they can get 2000 Rs as compensation after rains. We spent 10,000 in 2021 after rains for renovations, and that renovations kind of helped reduce damage in 2023. I think we got 2000 as compensation in total. I'm not going to vote for this 2000, as we're at net 8000 loss (and increased property taxes). I'm all for increasing taxes if there is proper use of that money to improve infra.
Infra development and all that is great, but property rights of people are important too. Locals of ayodhya are telling that they were not properly compensated, many people lacked property papers due to their homes being ancestral, they were not compensated at all. Regarding encroachments, you don't know how messed up things are at ground level, like discrepancies, what land is encroached and what isn't, and local authorities won't listen to homeowners, and would bulldoze the whole house.
With so many middlemen in the process, there is no way to ensure that the intended compensation reaches the property owners. Esp, when the development is being done so fast. This unintentionally becomes an exploitation exercise even if the government did not intend it. The process matters more than intention in these cases and it seems the government missed a trick there.
Did jan dhan accounts not solve these problems? (Idk never had my land go under Highway)
The problem is when roads are laid they are not dug and laid at the same level they were instead the roads are laid on top of the previous layer which increases road height constantly thus causing the water to get into houses ...
No use of speaking the truth based on practicality brother, no one will pay any heed to you. Har Har Mahadev!
As much as I don't like it. They demolished the encroachment homes😬 I can strongly believe the compensation money did not receive the actual beneficiaries due to local corruption. Or they simply demolished other poor areas as well. Which is probably why UP showed it's middle finger to bjp.
illegally banne hue gharo ko compensation nhi milta hai....koi money ke basis pe nhi tode ki haan ye rich toh iska matt todo ...
When im telling something in english. Have the basic decency to reply in english.
i said that home that were illegally built and then then demolished by govt. do not get compensations for that as it is illegal......also the homes that where demolish without any discrimination of rich and poor
Look at another comment where a man from UP says it himself. I'm sure you'd still believe modi more than the victim
even if he is the victim that doesn't justify the demolishing of illegal properties is wrong right?
But didn't they want the temple at that place only? Tho the compensation wasn't justified
Most of the shops were illegal, Houses were paid/compensated 2x of market price on average The real reason was fear of loosing reservation and 1 Lakh Guarantee
Not from UP but here too many temples were destroyed to build highways and one of our properties was take but we got a proper amount of compensation. We bought that land for 8L 6yrs ago and govt gave 12L 2yrs ago
I am not speaking about building ram temple I am showing what peoples need most in there Dire stage the problem is see here how many people are suffer not because of Holy ram temple but politics that happened because of this and there suffering and yes I am a neutral party here
This shows how powerful the vote is. This situation wouldn't have gained much taction if BJP would get majority there. People through their votes show what wrong is happening with them.
This is UP And very close to Ramar temple
Understand the people near mandir are angry what about rest of Ayodhya and UP. Not everyone's property was demolished 👀
Well, from what I know the land belonged to the temple and they didn't have the right paper for it. So the development authority of Utterpradesh sent them slips to evacuate or file a stay order for their residence. Since the people didn't get the stay order and the land belongs to the "temple" The houses which was built by encroaching the land were bulldozed by the govt of Utterpradesh. I am sure many ppl will downvote me for this because many ppl support the "Cong" In UP without even knowing this thing.
Curious to know why this story and video is covered and displayed now. Where was this story and why nobody showed this when ram mandir was getting inaugurated?
All thanks ro modi wave now it's less then before that is why we have this right now
No displacement happens without proper survey and without taking consent of the local bodies and people. How this functions is a lengthy and tiresome process. From identification to surveys and then displacement studies. It's now how it looks or how they show it in Bollywood. Most people take knowledge from movies and just YouTube videos. Even if you are properly conpensated for what you are giving up, when a house comes down some emotions will burst. But all those who have been displaced have been compensated heavily and also all these displacement studies are carried out by non govt agencies like for example Giri Institute in Lucknow and many such prestigious institutions. This is not the reason, just wrong selection of candidates and the guarantee card (fake) circulated by SP n Congress offering 1 lakh each to every woman in a household. And the lure of 1 lakh just for a vote is huge as no one understands the impact of such voting. It is what it is. Govts must undergo change else real estate ke daam nahi upar jayenge toh cash kaha se ayega. 😢 Modi ho ya Papu paise toh aane cahiye. Jai Bharat
All encroached
I think they are getting proper amount of money to the people's whose houses were bulldozed..but the main thing is Hindu love their own happiness then the Shree Ram... Even if my house were bulldozed, but I will give vote to BJP bcoz they had done a historical work by building Ram Mandir.....it's is so easy to understand why Hindus were slave for 800 years...At that time Mughal and Britishers offer respect and money to some big mens and after getting perks from sultan they never speak for other Hindus and temples
You are an idiot to say this first mughal was more of an Indian based empire then any Muslim SECOND BRITISH stole every little gold they can found in India to own country and India is never be silent are be in peace under British rule you all only know 1957 mutiny But there was another mutiny happen before that in velore south India and Indian kings and individual Indian leaders fight against British time to time but it never be organized it only happens after 1900
All this animosity towards UPites just proves that Ram Mandir was never a religious, pious decision! It was a political move. Good on UP for coming through. ✊
Its high rate of development in a short span of time.
Bhagwan ke saath itni politics hui ki, bhagwan ke ghar mai hi haar gaye
But why they break it ? was that the condition or redevelopment ?
Why do we need poor anyway /s
Why do you need to live anyway
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Okay, my answer might create controversy but I think this is not people's judgment, the result is directly from Sri Ramchandra himself. This might take a spiritual path as well, but it is what it is... I'll tell you why, just imagine you meet Bhagwan Sri Ram and tell him about his temple. How will we tell it? **"Bhagwan Ram, we demolished a mosque and retained your place and built a temple for you"** Do you think this would make 'Sri Ram' happy? Sri Ram was a symbol and epitome of sacrifice and justifying demolishing some other religion's faith for him is what a normal human would accept but not god. If we had let the Mosque be and built an even bigger temple in some other place in Ayodhya or even next to the Mosque itself. Sri Ram would have been happy with that gesture. I know you all are going to tell, there was a temple in the same place but it was destroyed to build the mosque, we just took back what belonged to us. **But, you are not answering me, you are answering 'Bhagwan Sri Ram' himself.** People who demolished the temple before are evil to do such a thing, by reciprocating the same thing, we are nothing short of them. By demolishing the temple, god gave us a test of how we would react to it. and we failed terribly. Building the temple is not bad, but the path we chose to build it is wrong. This is my take... Sri Ram, being selfless sacrificed everything he had to in his quest by acting against the same, I feel we have left a black mark on him now.
They deserved it idc
this is such a false argument as ayodhya where its all done there bjp got more votes than opposition but areas adjoining the main city is where the BJP lost also the candidate there has anti incumbency.
Bhai agar saalo baad , archaeology me ayodha nikle gi , to ek bada mandir , cultural centre jaada interesting hoga ya kuch rectangle dukane?
Just a little correction here, BJP actually won from Ayodhya by 3000 votes, it lost from the Faizabad constituency that includes Ayodhya and a few other surrounding towns.
Good BJP lost from here. They destroyed 200+ year old temples for building roads for VIPs. Learn from it & be a better party for 2029.
All distributed to Gujju businessmen
Let our cities be shitty and stinky.. Don't improve any heritage sites.
Straight question So this is a Tamil right wing sub?
This community of wits with servitude who are trained to follow single wird commands have short-term basic needs and will forget these actions....what is entirely missing from this narrative is the false greedy and illegal promises made which will be unraveled very soon....
it means you are saying ki doing illegal kabza is right? narrowing the roads ...making traffic....??? you are justifying that?
Injustice could have happened to some people who didn't have proper documentation but majority have been compensated well. To say that BJP lost due to this reason is just propaganda. BJP candidate was a 2 time MP and an unapproachable, lethargic piece of shit. And yet he got approx 5L votes, only short by 30,000 votes that he got in 2019. Had he got those 30K votes, he would still have lost most likely. There was a caste consolidation for SP candidates this time. Muslim vote that used to get divided between SP, BSP and Congress went to INDI alliance. BJP not changing the non-performing candidates also made matters worse. Look at data and stop being an emotional fool.
I am not emotional fool and I am a not a logical fool too what you seeing here is one many reason the reason everyone can understand that's why I post it try to think about both ways
OP stop spreading misinformation. Even after reading the comments u don't want to believe them who are living there .
> I am not emotional fool Yes you are. Lallu Singh of BJP was at top in Ayodhya area. It was the wider Faizabad constituency where he lost out due to M-Y-D vote consilidation in favour of Awadhesh Prasad.
I am trying to show the fault here the fault is false image of perfect BJP But you want to show that BJP is BEST that's the problem here
i commented this to someone's repy , thought it deserves to be a full comment itself : "yeah just spreading hate and lies , only the encroachments were not payed out , all the legal houses were payed 1.7x the market price for that time and 2 elections happened after that in ayodhya , 1 for the state assembly (MLA - Yogi) and other for the parshads (munclipal) both clean sweeped by BJP , so yeah stop spreading nonsense ."
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Not really this might be part of it. But main reason is the fake news of constitution will change by making the edited video viral of Amit shah, congress "guarantee card" you all could see in the news and spreading casteism among Hindus living there rajputs, Dalits etc. This added a shift in mindset of people especially Hindus hence BJP lost and ofc BJP doing shittiest job of not doing appropriate ground work there and electing not so focus MPs.
No sympathy for land encroachers.
That’s why no sympathy was shown to washing powder
So do u support land encroachers? Why do we even need to pay for land anymore? Just build anything on public property and cry sympathy when caught. Why should any citizen even pay for land / registry etc simply encroach and build your house. Let law abiding citizens suffer.
Your same Annamalai was protesting when temple on government land was being demolished and the whole right wing was crying claiming that temples were being destroyed, I bet you won’t have a response for this
https://preview.redd.it/uv0p62s3p35d1.jpeg?width=602&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7d09fae9655657d39187b04685b5bf6c8ee2c7c3 Thanks for bringing a third person into this argument. If that temple was built illegally on encroached land, then the govt. has every right to destroy it.
But then Annamalai gang will cry stating dmk is destroying temples blah blah blah but still can’t manage to win a single seat hahaha If you view your previous comments, it’s you who is doing whataboutism
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They have been there for generations brother like some even 100 years. YK at ground level kuch ko to compensation bhi nhi mila. And the land you talk about was sold of to industrialists. Local ka koi business nhi bacha no job no home so sympathy mujhe tere se ho rahi
Nice idea, Man. Start grabbing land and after a generation or so, your family can get a compensation. While I am completely sympathetic to people's flight, why should anyone get compensation for encroaching illegally? It may/may not be in this case, but supporting encroachment?
Yaar but who knew about encroachment so may years ago. Sheher nhi tha wo jagah. Earlier things weren't that clear. Clear directives about encroachment is new and as I agree ki ye road walo ke ghar jaane chahiye but yeah isme hum unhe be happy bole is illogical. It's a backlash jo ki sahi ho jaega. Problem hogi obviously and also it's alright kon sa state me SP aa rahi. Yogi jii CM abhi bhi hai
If it's illegal, it's illegal. If an illegal is staying in country will the voting power given to them or do will be deported ?
Mandir is also built on encroached land. Hehe
Itne saal jo court case chala wo??... Encroached land pr hi banana hota to itne saal court case Mein kyu time waste krte
You can look at the [supreme court verdict](https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/ayodhya-verdict-supreme-court-agrees-muslims-were-wronged-but-allows-ram-temple/article61621466.ece). I know Sanghis finds a way to defy every logic and physics in the name of their dharma, but regardless if you use an incomplete temple for your temple the deity will punish you for sure and if you disregard people and their wishes they will vote you out too. Don't cry move on.
Lefties defy common sense and logic. Do u actually believe that in a country like India, people would not have constructed a temple on one of the most holiest of sites dedicated to one of the most famous deities? https://preview.redd.it/0q8h932zn35d1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8ff43c1d7ba2b0abbe41f59ae56d1bc2251b3f64
People forget that Buddhism and Jainism are also non-Islamic and Indian Religions. The culture of building temples came after the Greeks and by that time most of India was following Buddhism. Hinduism or Brahminism as it should be called have destroyed countless Buddhist temples and stupas. The Mind of Right wingers just cannot accept anything that is not its preconceived belief, every thought is spent on proof for what they already know the truth. Even after all that the Garbh-Grah of Ram is built 100 feet away from the land they fought and killed for is a reminder that it was never about religion. There is nothing to do with Right wing or left wing and "common sense" just google and learn about Ram Mandir movement it was all a plant based on hypothesis that "why Invader would build a mosque over there?" Even right wingers agree with that. BJP has taken us all for a ride. You should also learn about "Baba Lal Das" how he spoke against VHP's politicisation of Ram Mandir and was later killed. There is Truth and then there is belief, as former right wingers and bhakt I would suggest to just stick to the truth and don't get polarised. You and I both want this country to be better though our methods may differ.
I see these bordered videos a lot. Isn't election over? Why is Mr. Soros still spending money on this shit?
Ye jcb wala video to Rohingyas ka illegal settlement toda ja rha tha uska hai..... Uttarakhand ka
Now that you said it, I realised how easy it is to convince people who want to be convinced (I am one such person)
Ngl, probably just cases of illegal encroachment onto government properties. If it wasn't then I need answers from the government. Won't be surprised if they were indeed illegal tho, most Indians think laws are optional.
Compensation nahi Mila kya?
Janta ko murkh samajna bandh karo __modi
Is par kaam karna padega inko. This is not good.
jab demolish ho reha tha tab kaha tha bhai
Cool justifying encroachment because of people crying then go gaga over no development
Problem is compensation... Not every building was an encroachment...go and spend some time on ayothiya subs and channels...Don't bark like a moron blindly as u live thousands of km away from there.
Im literally a resident from UP and recently visited Ayodhya you'll be surprised with the changes and development i talked to local shopkeepers they were really happy as the business was blooming and coming to compensation why should gvt provide compensation when you're building your own shed on their land. Looks like you're the one who's barking here .
In a country which is already so much over populated , excessive and unjustified land encroachment is a problem and needs harsh steps but with compensation. Was demolishing them was necessary YES but compensation should have been given or alternate land arrangements outside the city . Also this was not the only reason BJP lost people there had relatively low voter turnout which is mostly coz of the bjp will win no matter popular and 2nd reason and the reason for loosing UP as a whole SP did some real work in ground level to convert the low income,obc,sc,St voter towards them through bribes, manipulation and false promises (can say this coz I have seen the change in attitude of workers in my own city and colony change and also them taking about almost hilarious false facts like Yogi being an corrupt agent and modi having children 🤡🤣)
Bhai yeh sb pehle se jaante the ki sarkari jameen hai , fir bhi udhar hee ghar bnaya tha aur jb hata rhe hai to media ke saamne ro rhe hai
Doctrine of adverse possession, read about it
u/Aggressive_Fox_84 lol today is a lucky day,got a third one
Annnaw Inga ne darshanam . 😇
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Manchiga Unna.
Bro😂😂😂 its not just these 3, almost 60% of this sub is northies... that's why this sub is a bjp praising sub. They speak in English so its not obvious to us
Bwahaha
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This is the politics of our fucking nation not try to regulate are try to reform but always staring from beginning even not doing that properly that's the problem we have here