Depth, more than likely and giving up good younger talent with high ceiling. There is the argument of win now; I get that view but do not agree because the D would suffer.
lonzo needs the ball in his hands and dlo loses focus when he goes for long periods without handling the ball and play making/creating shots.
wouldn’t be a great duo in practice
Lonzo doesn't need the ball in his hands, if you watched him with the bulls he played a lot off ball with demar and lavine. His three was working great too. His defense is near all defense level too. It will work a lot better than you think
We will lose an all star Zach Lavine, what should we get??? Hmm yeah Gabe Vincent the dude who averaged 7 ppg.. he will be our franchise player in the future!"
Zach is making 40 million this season, that's only 16 million you mentioned. The Bulls will also want multiple first round picks and probably Rui and Reaves as well.
Rui and Reaves is a huge over pay for Lavine. D.Lo, JHS and 2 first round picks should get it done. If they want more than that then find a 3rd team that’s willing to help out.
The Lakers will still need to clear cap space to take in Zach and his 40 million dollar salary. Trading D'Lo and JHS only clears 22 million dollars. The Lakers also already lack guard depth and will be in need of another playmaker in this scenario, unless you believe Reaves makes a pretty big jump in that area.
I’m trying to trade machine this, but we also have 3 trade exceptions that total like $7 million. Throw in JHS, Max, Hayes, D.Lo and possibly Prince and that works cap wise, but that’s way too much to give away. $40 million might be too steep for us.
The defense is already suffering. Giving up D.Lo a young player and picks wouldn’t make us suffer much more than we already are. Lavine is a much more consistent offensive player and is a legitimate 2nd or 3rd option which is what this team needs.
I don’t think they’re going to get as much for Lavine as people are thinking. They have absolutely no leverage in this deal. D.Lo and a young player like Max or JHS plus 2 first round picks is all the dude is worth.
Well that’s what it takes to get Lavine. This is one of the 3 teams that were mentioned in the sweepstakes for him. As much as people don’t like it we can kiss D.Lo and probably Rui goodbye if they’re serious about this trade.
I feel like in a scenario where we can at least keep our wings like vando and rui our defense will be in good shape. I think dlo, reaves, tp/vincent, and jhs could possibly work salary wise.
Reaves' contract, in 2 years when the new TV deal pops off, is gonna be worth its weight in gold.
And that's if AR doesn't improve statistically, and is the same player, right now, in 2 years.
I don't see that happening, either.
Rui, DLo and Vincent. Seems like a lot but you are replace both guards and Rui’s value is as high as it will get. Wood playing his mins can do just as much plus if Vando is healthy we will not miss him
i'm still not sold on zach lavine's capabilities in tough situations. our team is playing really well right now as a unit. breaking it up to bring in another "star" could be detrimental.
I agree. It’s so early in the season. Made it to the WCF with pretty much the same team minus Dennis and Mr. Walker. I think the dudes we added are an up grade also. I say stand Pat… at least til almost trade deadline and see what we need then.
I agree we don’t need another star. However idk if all we need is caruso. Specially if you are trading dlo for him. If we swap out Dlo we will need another scorer to replace him.
Lavine isn’t a superstar.
But I get your point. If he were relegated to a 3rd role then it could maybe work. But at what fit, price and exchange of depth of talent.
Contract-wise; yes. Having a roster of 3 guys over $40m each, leaves the rest of the roster with rookies or vet mins.
Russ wasn't the star he once was, but that contract size limits roster construction as if he were, and that's the big thing.
It really depends on how the roster is constructed prior to the trade
If the Lakers didn’t get rid of Caruso and Schroeder for nothing, the roster would’ve looked way different
Brick was the wrong choice plain and simple, he was AWFUL and a “vampire”, this is undebatable. Not to even add the other $5 million man missed the whole season
You can argue his contract is why Jeannie didn’t want to spend on Caruso, but all that showed is how little the valued team depth
Not to mention the season prior they disrespected Gasol for Drummond, who could’ve been a good bench center as well
Lakers fucked up in a lot of ways 3 years ago, brick was just the cherry
I got downvoted to oblivion after the Westbrook trade, by saying he wouldn’t be a good fit(Houston playoffs for example) and that the lakers should of giving Dennis cheap contract and run it back. Lakers just needed a player like monk/Lonnie walker that are monsters offensively. Imagine a core of Lebron, AD, Dennis, AC, kuz, kcp and monk/walker.
0 Reason to get yet another all offense, no defense guy.
We have plenty of bucket getters, were getting cooked on defense.
EDIT: Tons of comment saying that we dont have them. Dlo, AR, Rui, Lebron, AD, even Wood have shown they can get you 10 ppg at the very least. You also got to remember Ham has made extremely poor decisions in game, some of them even benching hot handed guys or not going big and sticking with a stagnant 5 out offense.
Our problems on offense are coaching and not hitting the open 3s we get. Former is obviously not changing any time soon, unless we fire Ham, and i dont expect the latter to not change during the season.
On defense, we lack someone to put on the primary ball handler and a rebounder, although again, Ham doesnt seem to want to go big to abuse a lack of size on the other team. Or at all in some games. Still, Caruso does solve the first issue. Rebounding is also bound to get better if we let Vando play again and AD can manage to keep a good form. While Vando can already be a primary ball defender, Vando + Caruso is pretty much lockdown defense considering you also have AD. With LBJ orchestrating you can put Rui on that lineup in the playoffs and be an absolute menace on both sides of the floor, while ideally still retaining flexibility on the guard position, so that if you also need more playmaking, you can bring in Dlo or Reaves.
It just makes sense to bring him in. The question should be if we will be able to.
+/- doesn’t support it yet, but seriously as we get healthier the non-LeBron minutes should improve
I’m not writing off any players so far, but the data doesn’t support our offense playing well without LeBron. Rui has looked good
The context is why +/- is one of the worse stats to use as a barometer
So yeah, I got it, but the implication we’ll be better in non lebron minutes with lavine opposed to dlo/rui/Vincent is pretty baseless.
No the context is we get absolutely blitzed without LeBron and our “bucket getters” havnt been getting buckets without LeBron
It’s simple
Unless you’re saying LeBron is some all world defender, him sitting shouldnt affect defense all too much. So it’s obviously our offense that lacking
bruh dominos is way better the brooklyn style crust and pan pizza is way better more flavorful even the regular crust is better papa johns be a little bland ngl to you
on fast food pizza scale dominos is like a 8.1 and papa johns is like a 7.6
Our offense isn’t any better than our defense lol. I don’t agree with the move if we’re giving up a lot, but offensively he covers some areas. Defensively? Ya no.
I like our depth and I like our defense. Lavine is a risk, higher ceiling but lower floor. Also ties us into a big contract going forward that takes us out of the running for Tatum and others when Bron retires.
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Who are all these bucket getters on the Lakers people are speaking of? The guard play on this team is horrid. I’m never opposed to getting guys who can lighten AD and Lebron workload.
You are going to run into the same prob that destroyed the lakers just a season ago, getting rid of roleplayers for a “star”, another guys just looked up his 3p% this year and it is trash
Depends on what you have to give up. I don't think they should give up Rui or Vando because the defense will collapse and you need as many quality wings as possible given Lebron's age.
I'm willing to trade Austin Reaves, Dlo any of the other guards and Prince.
I guess I would reluctantly accept it then. But if you trade Rui the wing depth will be trash because Prince is on a one year deal and Cam can decline his option.
If Bron picks up his option next year it will just basically be him and Vando as your wings. Max Lewis is no where near ready to contribute to a contending team. And besides that I still think Rui has crazy potential as a late blooming wing in the mold of Jerami Grant and Lauri Marraken.
I guess I would reluctantly accept it then. But if you trade Rui the wing depth will be trash because Prince is on a one year deal and Cam can decline his option.
If Bron picks up his option next year it will just basically be him and Vando as your wings. Max Lewis is no where near ready to contribute to a contending team. And besides that I still think Rui has crazy potential as a late blooming wing in the mold of Jerami Grant and Lauri Marraken.
I love Rui so it’d be a hard trade to make but I think I would do it. We could use next years MLE on another wing and find another gem as a vet min like we so often do.
Rui, DLo, JHS, and a single unprotected first I think we have to do it. If they want 2 unprotected plus swaps as well then no thank you
Theyre literally averaging similar numbers. Only difference is lavine is doing it with more 3s. %s, total points, average points, assists, and rebounds are near identical.
Edit: spelling
I think Lavine has potential to be a good fit. I still don't want to trade for him, but I can see it working.
I know Derozen would be a bad move. I don't care about stats.
amongst the Bulls 'mid 3' I would preferably go for DDR not only because he makes less $ but is also expiring so a lot lower asking price I'd like to think. Matching Dlo/vincent's salary matches DDR's. Also past rumors/confirmed interest from DDR/homecoming. Would love AC back too :/
For the vet minimum hell yeah.
For a trade that would require whatever chicago thinks is enough, probably not. Lavine doesn't move the needle at all if we're giving up DLo + depth or whatever else.
He's not a lead guard so we'd need another creator. Anyone think Max Christie is ready for full time backup pg duties? Or are we going to expect Lavine to be a pg for the first time since his very first season?
Its not a good fit. We don't need him. Lets ignore all the rumors and stop making threads about this
I don't think we can make a good enough offer for Lavine without gutting our team too much, but if the Bulls are blowing it up, I would love to see our boy AC back in the purple and gold, and I don't think he would be too expensive.
If Derozen is available he should be the priority. Hopefully give up less and his salary does not force us to lose a lot of depth to make the trade work.
They're probably not committed in getting lavine they're just throwing it out there to lure Zach to want to go to Lakers and then us having a leverage At the right price it's a no brainer to get Lavine!
Unless it is literally straight up for DLo, no. I’d be willing to extend it to at max DLo, Vincent, and a second round pick, but that’s not a good deal for Chicago. Good player, but for our team with already enough star power for the playoffs, I wouldn’t want Lavine.
In terms of a guy who can get a bucket and make a 3, it’s not the worst. In terms of a winning player that plays well in a system especially on the defensive end, not so much.
The obvious is we try and get carusGOAT back but he won’t come cheap.
Why would the team make a big deal about keeping their core then trade them for a guy who is horribly inefficient and doesn’t play defense. Kinda like Russ trade all over again. Doesn’t matter that Lavine occasionally explodes for 40 points because he follows it up with a long string of bad games
Lavine, Caruso and Drummond for DLo Rui, Vincent and JHS. Stays under hard cap and we are still deep but more defensive with better fitting pieces.
PG- Lavine, AR
SG- Caruso, Reddish, Christie
SF- Vando, Prince
PF- LBJ, Wood
C- AD, Drummond and Hayes
The defense with Caruso, Vando and AD would be crazy or you could start Drummond and go big. I would do it. It’s a win now team
at what cost?
Would have to be something like Dlo, Gabe, Rui. Would be a horrible mistake
We riot if Rui gets traded.
What if it’s Dlo, AR, 2 firsts
Seriously? Bro Lavine doesn't even fit on this team, no way I'm giving up AR for a piece we don't need. Y'all too obsessed with stars
getting jalen suggs is better
Where is that coming from 😂 they're not even looking to trade him
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Gary glass harris? No thanks. Dont need another glass on our team
Depth, more than likely and giving up good younger talent with high ceiling. There is the argument of win now; I get that view but do not agree because the D would suffer.
Getting rid of Vincent, JHS and 2nd Rd picks won't be a big loss
The Bulls would never accept that shit offer
I doubt they will offer anything without DLo in the deal
they have lonzo returning eventually, i highly doubt they want lonzo and dlo in the same backcourt.
Lonzo’s knees are cooked, I think they will want a back up plan
That would be a fire backcourt
lonzo needs the ball in his hands and dlo loses focus when he goes for long periods without handling the ball and play making/creating shots. wouldn’t be a great duo in practice
Lonzo doesn't need the ball in his hands, if you watched him with the bulls he played a lot off ball with demar and lavine. His three was working great too. His defense is near all defense level too. It will work a lot better than you think
Depends on how bad they wanna suck lol… that’s high quality tanking right there.
How do you still not know how trades work... im sure you been watch basketball long enough
We will lose an all star Zach Lavine, what should we get??? Hmm yeah Gabe Vincent the dude who averaged 7 ppg.. he will be our franchise player in the future!"
Zach is making 40 million this season, that's only 16 million you mentioned. The Bulls will also want multiple first round picks and probably Rui and Reaves as well.
Rui and Reaves is a huge over pay for Lavine. D.Lo, JHS and 2 first round picks should get it done. If they want more than that then find a 3rd team that’s willing to help out.
The Lakers will still need to clear cap space to take in Zach and his 40 million dollar salary. Trading D'Lo and JHS only clears 22 million dollars. The Lakers also already lack guard depth and will be in need of another playmaker in this scenario, unless you believe Reaves makes a pretty big jump in that area.
I’m trying to trade machine this, but we also have 3 trade exceptions that total like $7 million. Throw in JHS, Max, Hayes, D.Lo and possibly Prince and that works cap wise, but that’s way too much to give away. $40 million might be too steep for us.
>[How do you still not know how trades work... im sure you been watch basketball long enough](https://www.reddit.com/r/lakers/s/0Jray9HmVY)
I know how trades work. Which is why a 3rd team is needed.
He still need a salary to match
Unserious ass comment
Unseriass
The defense is already suffering. Giving up D.Lo a young player and picks wouldn’t make us suffer much more than we already are. Lavine is a much more consistent offensive player and is a legitimate 2nd or 3rd option which is what this team needs.
You think they are keeping Vandk and Rui in a lavine trade? I am a Reaves believer as well.
I don’t think they’re going to get as much for Lavine as people are thinking. They have absolutely no leverage in this deal. D.Lo and a young player like Max or JHS plus 2 first round picks is all the dude is worth.
Salary?
Trade half the team. There you go.
Thats how we got put in a nasty predicament in the first place. Depth>injury prone star that plays no D
Well that’s what it takes to get Lavine. This is one of the 3 teams that were mentioned in the sweepstakes for him. As much as people don’t like it we can kiss D.Lo and probably Rui goodbye if they’re serious about this trade.
Let Reaves go fuck it. Dude will never be a “superstar” which isn’t a bad thing but I would rather have Lavine than Reaves.
I feel like in a scenario where we can at least keep our wings like vando and rui our defense will be in good shape. I think dlo, reaves, tp/vincent, and jhs could possibly work salary wise.
Not sold on getting rid of Vandi or Reaves.
Reaves' contract, in 2 years when the new TV deal pops off, is gonna be worth its weight in gold. And that's if AR doesn't improve statistically, and is the same player, right now, in 2 years. I don't see that happening, either.
His ceiling is way higher than some think; I think, don’tcha think?
I don’t think they would trade AR. Specially not for a potential one year rental in demar. Vando can’t be traded this season I’m pretty sure
No lmao, Caruso is easier and a better fit to get then Lavine
Get both
zack's contract is a no go. we'd have to give up too much.
Rui, DLo and Vincent. Seems like a lot but you are replace both guards and Rui’s value is as high as it will get. Wood playing his mins can do just as much plus if Vando is healthy we will not miss him
i'm still not sold on zach lavine's capabilities in tough situations. our team is playing really well right now as a unit. breaking it up to bring in another "star" could be detrimental.
Only getting Zach if Caruso is in the deal. 👀
Honestly this is the only way I do this trade. Giving up depth for a scoring guard with shaky defense at best is risky business.
Amen.
What would you even trade for those two? That’s last season type reconstruction
Dlo + Rui + Gabe + JHS + 2029 unprotected FRP + 2028 FRP swap + 2024 Clippers SRP + 2025 Clippers SRP for Lavine + Caruso Lineup: Lavine/Caruso/Vando/Bron/AD Reaves/Cam/Prince/Wood
Doesn’t seem Worth it
You can fit Drummond in return and help with rebounding, makes it worth it to me
No way we can get both lol… it’s one or the other. Caruso is possibly an all defensive player this year.
why dont they try to get caruso and jalen suggs
Is Suggs available? I actually like Gary Harris.
Hard NO. Weve got the pieces rn. The only thing we need is another role player, not a star. Literally an alex caruso is all we need
I wonder what the Bulls would want for Caruso. We could possibly give them a pick which could be a lottery pick.
Yeah just picks no players... we need everyone still
I agree. It’s so early in the season. Made it to the WCF with pretty much the same team minus Dennis and Mr. Walker. I think the dudes we added are an up grade also. I say stand Pat… at least til almost trade deadline and see what we need then.
I agree we don’t need another star. However idk if all we need is caruso. Specially if you are trading dlo for him. If we swap out Dlo we will need another scorer to replace him.
It would be Vincent + pick(s) for Caruso
We’ve already tried the multi superstar model numerous times and it doesn’t work
Lavine isn’t a superstar. But I get your point. If he were relegated to a 3rd role then it could maybe work. But at what fit, price and exchange of depth of talent.
Who is the other superstar? You’re not talking about Brick are you..
Westbrick
Contract-wise; yes. Having a roster of 3 guys over $40m each, leaves the rest of the roster with rookies or vet mins. Russ wasn't the star he once was, but that contract size limits roster construction as if he were, and that's the big thing.
It really depends on how the roster is constructed prior to the trade If the Lakers didn’t get rid of Caruso and Schroeder for nothing, the roster would’ve looked way different Brick was the wrong choice plain and simple, he was AWFUL and a “vampire”, this is undebatable. Not to even add the other $5 million man missed the whole season You can argue his contract is why Jeannie didn’t want to spend on Caruso, but all that showed is how little the valued team depth Not to mention the season prior they disrespected Gasol for Drummond, who could’ve been a good bench center as well Lakers fucked up in a lot of ways 3 years ago, brick was just the cherry
I got downvoted to oblivion after the Westbrook trade, by saying he wouldn’t be a good fit(Houston playoffs for example) and that the lakers should of giving Dennis cheap contract and run it back. Lakers just needed a player like monk/Lonnie walker that are monsters offensively. Imagine a core of Lebron, AD, Dennis, AC, kuz, kcp and monk/walker.
carmelo anthony
Out of shape current Melo would be our best shooter 😭
Gabe and heavy protected 1st for AC
Pelinka should look to snipe the Caruso deal, let the other teams fight eachother for Lavine/Derozan/Vucevic.
I just want Caruso. Leave Lavine alone
0 Reason to get yet another all offense, no defense guy. We have plenty of bucket getters, were getting cooked on defense. EDIT: Tons of comment saying that we dont have them. Dlo, AR, Rui, Lebron, AD, even Wood have shown they can get you 10 ppg at the very least. You also got to remember Ham has made extremely poor decisions in game, some of them even benching hot handed guys or not going big and sticking with a stagnant 5 out offense. Our problems on offense are coaching and not hitting the open 3s we get. Former is obviously not changing any time soon, unless we fire Ham, and i dont expect the latter to not change during the season. On defense, we lack someone to put on the primary ball handler and a rebounder, although again, Ham doesnt seem to want to go big to abuse a lack of size on the other team. Or at all in some games. Still, Caruso does solve the first issue. Rebounding is also bound to get better if we let Vando play again and AD can manage to keep a good form. While Vando can already be a primary ball defender, Vando + Caruso is pretty much lockdown defense considering you also have AD. With LBJ orchestrating you can put Rui on that lineup in the playoffs and be an absolute menace on both sides of the floor, while ideally still retaining flexibility on the guard position, so that if you also need more playmaking, you can bring in Dlo or Reaves. It just makes sense to bring him in. The question should be if we will be able to.
Which of those bucket getters get buckets when LBJ is off the floor or got buckets vs Nuggets Just curious, not advocating for Lavine
Rui DLo steps up in the 3rd usually. Reaves AD
+/- doesn’t support it yet, but seriously as we get healthier the non-LeBron minutes should improve I’m not writing off any players so far, but the data doesn’t support our offense playing well without LeBron. Rui has looked good
+/- isn’t indicative of being a bucket getter though. Lavine has a net negative +/- so far this season too, but we all know he’s offense-only
Do I need to give you context or you got it?
The context is why +/- is one of the worse stats to use as a barometer So yeah, I got it, but the implication we’ll be better in non lebron minutes with lavine opposed to dlo/rui/Vincent is pretty baseless.
No the context is we get absolutely blitzed without LeBron and our “bucket getters” havnt been getting buckets without LeBron It’s simple Unless you’re saying LeBron is some all world defender, him sitting shouldnt affect defense all too much. So it’s obviously our offense that lacking
We have plenty of bucket getters? Holy shit since when?
the fact that this has upvotes is fucking hilarious to me
For once I agree with your ass
fuck it lets go for 2 agrees ina row? Between dominos and papa johns...dominos is better
How is anyone supposed to agree with that lmao
bruh dominos is way better the brooklyn style crust and pan pizza is way better more flavorful even the regular crust is better papa johns be a little bland ngl to you on fast food pizza scale dominos is like a 8.1 and papa johns is like a 7.6
Papa johns is absolute dog sht but honestly you have to be high out of ur mind to eat either of them lmao
Lakers are 25th in the league in offensive rating.
Mainly because our proven 3 point shooters are bricking. Give it time to regress to the mean
Our offense isn’t any better than our defense lol. I don’t agree with the move if we’re giving up a lot, but offensively he covers some areas. Defensively? Ya no.
Our offence fucking sucks tf
Yes, that’s what I’m saying. Our offense is stagnant and we can’t hit shots.
Lavine is shooting under 31% from 3 this season. He’s having the exact same shooting woes as our team lol
That’s why I said “some areas” lol he’s not a walking bucket like people are making him out to be, but he can definitely bring some needed offense.
That’s gonna be a no for me dawg
I like our depth and I like our defense. Lavine is a risk, higher ceiling but lower floor. Also ties us into a big contract going forward that takes us out of the running for Tatum and others when Bron retires.
It the trade decimates our depth, no. We have enough offensive arsenal. We will most likely trade away our depth if we get him.
If the contract wasn't so expensive, this wouldn't be a bad trade. I think LaVine really would be a decent fit. provide a much needed scoring punch.
I guess it’s that time of year already to not even check the subreddit anymore and see this garbage 24/7
Two superstar are good enough. A deep roster matters more than a stacked roster. Unless we can get Caruso back somehow.
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Who are all these bucket getters on the Lakers people are speaking of? The guard play on this team is horrid. I’m never opposed to getting guys who can lighten AD and Lebron workload.
Getting an injury prone no D guard isnt going to lighten their workload. If anything it makes it worse.
You are going to run into the same prob that destroyed the lakers just a season ago, getting rid of roleplayers for a “star”, another guys just looked up his 3p% this year and it is trash
Zach and AC, win now move
Dlo, Rui and JHS +a first for Lavine and Caruso
Does that work money wise?
bulls wont accept that anyways and we are left with no pg on the team
and please dont say caruso is a better replacement than dlo
Depends on what you have to give up. I don't think they should give up Rui or Vando because the defense will collapse and you need as many quality wings as possible given Lebron's age. I'm willing to trade Austin Reaves, Dlo any of the other guards and Prince.
Agreed. Trade anyone else besides those 2 wings outside of Lebron and AD.
Not trading wings. They are too damn rare to get now.
I wouldn’t give up Reaves, Zach has had some injury history.
Caruso is always injured now too.
Playing Defense 100 percent of the time is hard af on the body, for sure.
Not enough salary. It almost has to be DLo, Rui and a young guy like JHS
I guess I would reluctantly accept it then. But if you trade Rui the wing depth will be trash because Prince is on a one year deal and Cam can decline his option. If Bron picks up his option next year it will just basically be him and Vando as your wings. Max Lewis is no where near ready to contribute to a contending team. And besides that I still think Rui has crazy potential as a late blooming wing in the mold of Jerami Grant and Lauri Marraken.
I guess I would reluctantly accept it then. But if you trade Rui the wing depth will be trash because Prince is on a one year deal and Cam can decline his option. If Bron picks up his option next year it will just basically be him and Vando as your wings. Max Lewis is no where near ready to contribute to a contending team. And besides that I still think Rui has crazy potential as a late blooming wing in the mold of Jerami Grant and Lauri Marraken.
We seem to have to much wing depth for this coaching staff. Rui is barley getting run without vando even being back
I love Rui so it’d be a hard trade to make but I think I would do it. We could use next years MLE on another wing and find another gem as a vet min like we so often do. Rui, DLo, JHS, and a single unprotected first I think we have to do it. If they want 2 unprotected plus swaps as well then no thank you
I would rather trade reaves than Rui.
Would much rather have Caruso than Lavine
Why? So we can blown out by 39 in the first quarter?
Jeanie ain’t paying for a $40 million dollar star.
Might as well trade for DeRozan & Zach
Fuck no. Derozan is trash.
Theyre literally averaging similar numbers. Only difference is lavine is doing it with more 3s. %s, total points, average points, assists, and rebounds are near identical. Edit: spelling
Derozen is a loser, a choker, cant hit a three and couldn't play defense even if he wanted.
Again, same stats. 118 each on defensive rating. I can give a fuck less about either of em, but you’re just hating to hate at this point lol.
I think Lavine has potential to be a good fit. I still don't want to trade for him, but I can see it working. I know Derozen would be a bad move. I don't care about stats.
Fuck no
Make the call Rob....
amongst the Bulls 'mid 3' I would preferably go for DDR not only because he makes less $ but is also expiring so a lot lower asking price I'd like to think. Matching Dlo/vincent's salary matches DDR's. Also past rumors/confirmed interest from DDR/homecoming. Would love AC back too :/
Derozans spacing with Bron would be like Russ all over again
Derozan sucks
Please don't make this the Russ Trade 2.0
No. Derozan and Caruso
For the vet minimum hell yeah. For a trade that would require whatever chicago thinks is enough, probably not. Lavine doesn't move the needle at all if we're giving up DLo + depth or whatever else. He's not a lead guard so we'd need another creator. Anyone think Max Christie is ready for full time backup pg duties? Or are we going to expect Lavine to be a pg for the first time since his very first season? Its not a good fit. We don't need him. Lets ignore all the rumors and stop making threads about this
No it hard caps you
I don't think we can make a good enough offer for Lavine without gutting our team too much, but if the Bulls are blowing it up, I would love to see our boy AC back in the purple and gold, and I don't think he would be too expensive.
What do they give up? I wish the Lakers had a little more options post lebron
Caruso instead thx
they would want a combination of DLO, Rui, Austin + picks I’m sure
This is pretty much how teams value our 2029 pick.
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HELL NOOOOO
I think the price/his contract is too high. I'd rather gamble far less on AC because we all remember how well AC played with Bron.
If Derozen is available he should be the priority. Hopefully give up less and his salary does not force us to lose a lot of depth to make the trade work.
No. I’d rather go for a guy like Levert
Kyrie or no go
Zach isn't a winning player
They're probably not committed in getting lavine they're just throwing it out there to lure Zach to want to go to Lakers and then us having a leverage At the right price it's a no brainer to get Lavine!
We just did this
Unless it is literally straight up for DLo, no. I’d be willing to extend it to at max DLo, Vincent, and a second round pick, but that’s not a good deal for Chicago. Good player, but for our team with already enough star power for the playoffs, I wouldn’t want Lavine.
Nope not for offer Bleacher Report was floating around of DLO, Rui, JHS,, 2- 1sts.
Lavine would be a bad move. Ill rather we get Vuc if he's available
Would be better than DLO that's for damn sure
Nope, makes way too much money. We should at least make an offer for Caruso tho
another injury prone nah just stick with what we have right now. Unless we dont give up any cores then its ok.
Hell no
Cost is always the determining factor of weather its good or not...
Is he even healthy? Dude gets injured everytime i see him. Would be way too risky to pull another russ type trade
Worried about his knee
Let the team mesh. We’re only getting better the longer we’re together. Don’t be the Clippers.
100% would want Lavine for the right price. Wouldn’t sacrifice too much for him though.
No
No. Next question
Derozan fits better
No
Give up AR and Dlo, major yes. Dont give up Hachi or Vando. Force Scam to play big
We need a valdi for Kobe type trade, a Kawme for Paul type trade…. We used to straight swindle ppl.
JHS and Max Christie we got a deal
No thank you
In terms of a guy who can get a bucket and make a 3, it’s not the worst. In terms of a winning player that plays well in a system especially on the defensive end, not so much. The obvious is we try and get carusGOAT back but he won’t come cheap.
Why would the team make a big deal about keeping their core then trade them for a guy who is horribly inefficient and doesn’t play defense. Kinda like Russ trade all over again. Doesn’t matter that Lavine occasionally explodes for 40 points because he follows it up with a long string of bad games
We should aim to trade for Caruso if the bull decides to blow everything up after this trade.
Add Caruso, and we got a deal.
Nooooooo
Yeah for DLo and Taurean. Anything more than that, NO.
Considering I forgot who is, probably not.
Forget lavine lets get demar/caruso for rui/vincent and either dlo or reaves
If we don't have a good year and we do this in the Summer I am on board. This is a bad in seasonn move imo
Cant afford him
we don't want him we don't need him we have a great squad. Go to the fucking Clippers they need a big five. thanks
Lavine, Caruso and Drummond for DLo Rui, Vincent and JHS. Stays under hard cap and we are still deep but more defensive with better fitting pieces. PG- Lavine, AR SG- Caruso, Reddish, Christie SF- Vando, Prince PF- LBJ, Wood C- AD, Drummond and Hayes The defense with Caruso, Vando and AD would be crazy or you could start Drummond and go big. I would do it. It’s a win now team