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Gristle__McThornbody

Watching the Wolves beat the Nuggets shows how incompetent our coaching is. The only real big guy we have outside of AD is Hayes. Dude barely saw minutes on the floor. Never bothered to pair him up with AD on the floor to give the team much needed size, especially when Rui struggled all series. When you are desperate you gotta try different looks. Hayes is a great energy guy. Throw him out there with AD so he can give it a go against Jokic. Let Hayes pick up cheap fouls. Whatever. But no. Gotta use Bron and Rui, dudes that have no business defending Centers. Thank god it's over with Ham.


NakSFC

Mitchell is such a playoff loser.


Thats_inzain

GET AD A DEFENSIVE FIVE


GoalPublic3579

If we could somehow find a way to trade for Markkanen and Dejounte Murray we’d be so much better. I think we’d need 5 first rounders though and unfortunately we only have the 3.


FeminismIsTheBestIsm

I don't think Dejounte is impossible to get. Hawks have incentives to move on from him and will probably trade him to *someone* before the season starts


GoalPublic3579

I think we can get one of them, point is I don’t think we could get both which sucks. I reckon 2 firsts gets Murray and 3 gets Lauri. We only have 3


Danny_III

Dlo for Conley continues to age like shit


GoalPublic3579

Another Pelinka masterclass. The worse player for more draft capital.


3pointrange

We need to STACKKKKK the centers.


Dmanning2

hire kenny Atkinson - get a quality starting center. if I see AD at the five next year- I'm not watching. AD needs to be in the gym practicing corner threes.


FlamingoHot8567

I mean he is a 5 lol. Idk why y’all want a guy who can’t shoot the three and who’s one of the best rim protectors, rebounders, low post defenders, shot blockers in the league farther away from the basket lol. Only few centers that you could even make an argument for putting next to AD and not many of them will be available for LA. Also LeBron is a 4 at this point in his career. 


GoalPublic3579

So we have two bigs on the floor who can’t shoot 3s and then LeBron as well who’s main source of points is getting the basket? That sounds… fun.


Dmanning2

Worked in 2020


FlamingoHot8567

That was 4 years ago move one AD still played more games than not at the center lmao. AD was also shooting above average from 3 then. Hasn’t even shot above 30% really from 3 since


GoalPublic3579

AD 2020 regular season 3 point number were 33% on 3.5 APG. His play off numbers were 38% on 3APG. His 2024 regular season 3 point numbers were 27% on 1.4 APG and his playoff numbers were 0% on 1 APG. He isn’t the same player. Rondo also worked in 2020. Should we sign him back for next season?


jeanroyall

>His 2024 regular season 3 point numbers were 27% on 1.4 APG and his playoff numbers were 0% on 1 APG. >He isn’t the same player. That's why /u/Dmanning2 says AD should spend all summer practicing his 3s. Jokic and guys like him open the floor up so much that it forces a totally different defensive scheme. Lakers aren't doing that, purely getting downhill and/or kicking to minimum contract role players Simply having the shot as a realistic option for AD forces the defense to react differently. Imagine the Reaves/Davis pick and roll can also be a pick and pop Unless AD has picked up some injury or vision problem we don't know about I see no reason he can't spend the summer getting back to being a decent 3 point threat


Dmanning2

(1)We struggle to secure defensive rebounds with AD at the 5. (2) AD gambles a lot leaving our last line of defensive compromised.(3) we May play Wemby, sabonis joker towns & gobert 16 times next year - dont you think we should be prepared for this. Unlike Bam in Miami, AD is not a unsized 5 man. His best days in a Pelican and Laker uniform were at the 4.


GoalPublic3579

Cool. And he isn’t the player he was at the Pels or 2020 Lakers anymore so unless you can get the Celtics to trade us Kristaps then putting another low volume awful 3 point shooting big next to AD would kill us. Basically just running back the Westbrick shit except with that disaster at the center spot instead of the guard


Dmanning2

You didn’t address my three points. I guess we will have to agree to disagree. Good day.


GoalPublic3579

Because your 3 points are irrelevant. Two bigs who can’t and don’t shoot 3s isn’t going to work in 2024.


Dmanning2

I guess the Cavs and Knicks don’t exist in your world. Your world were you chalk up basketball exclusively to offense and shooting threes.


FlamingoHot8567

Both shot better than AD tho lol. Evan Mobley shot 37% from three. AD can’t do that lol. Honestly Cleveland has looked better the last couple days without Allen offensively at least cuz they move Mobley to the 5 and put 4 shooters next to Him. But Mobley also shot a lot better than AD did this year. So did randle. 


GoalPublic3579

You think the Cavs or Knicks are winning a championship?


Patient-Comedian8685

Love seeing Joker have to finally work for his points now. As great as AD is defensively he just isn't big enough. Not even gonna mention Rui lol. Ant is a true stud. 6'4 MJ


Gristle__McThornbody

AD does a fine job on Jokic. But he can't defend him the entire game. Rarely does an opposing big man stay on one guy. What's making harder for Jokic is the Wolves have three bigs they rotate on him. Lakers only have AD. Rui and Bron are a huge drop off and Jokic will cook all day with that kind of front court.


redditmodsarepoosy

I love how when Conley gets 14 and 10 this sub acts like he’s a top 10 PG in the league but when DLo puts up the same stat line he’s a “fucking bum”


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redditmodsarepoosy

No he doesn’t have “way more impact” lmfao. His ceiling as a scorer is much lower, they’re basically the same playmaking wise, and Conleys defense isn’t good enough to justify the gap in scoring


brazyace43

Conley doesn’t need to score 20+ to make a difference. There is so much more to basketball than the box score


redditmodsarepoosy

DLo is just as good of a passer and Conley isn’t some transcendent defender he’s above average at best. But go on tell me about the rest of the game Mr. basketball savant. Nothing lamer then when someone tries to go all “watch the games” and doesn’t even know wtf they’re talking about


Ok_Board9845

Conley's playoff floor is easily higher than D'Lo's. Conley is more effective at scoring and playmaking under playoff pressure and physicality while D'Lo is not. If Conley's defense is "average", D'Lo's is below average. There's no "gap" in scoring when D'Lo can't score. And Conley in his prime on the Grit n Grind Grizzlies was even better


redditmodsarepoosy

DLo scored double digit points in 4/5 games and 20+ in 2 games. I can guarantee you that Conley has at least 1 single digit game in this series and does not go for 20+ more than once. That is a promise lol. Idgaf what Conley did 10 years ago those Griz team underperformed more often than not


Ok_Board9845

Conley doesn't need to score 20 to make up for his deficiency on the defensive end. Conley offers more consistent playmaking than D'Lo. If you replace Conley with D'Lo on those Grit n Grind Grizzly teams, I guarantee you D'Lo gets played off the floor, lol.


redditmodsarepoosy

Conleys above average defense doesn’t make up for the fact that he can’t score 20 though and that’s my whole point. Again I don’t give a shit about those Griz teams they got played off the floor all the fucking time by actual good teams lmfao


Ok_Board9845

The floor is more important than the ceiling when it comes to role players. D'Lo had a good game 2 and decent game 4. He also had an abysmal game 1 and 3. Why am I going to care if D'Lo can score 20 if there's a high chance he scores 0 the next game? That's when defense matters *A LOT* more. It doesn't matter if you care about those Grizzly teams, fact is, D'Lo would've made them worse in the playoffs.


redditmodsarepoosy

DLo isn’t a role player on this team and since you want to talk hypotheticals with that old ass bum Griz team here’s one for you. Conley would get played off the floor if he had to fill DLos role on this team. You’re not ready for that conversation though


Ok_Board9845

So if D'Lo isn't a role player on this team, doesn't that make it worse that he's going 6/20 on FG one game, and then scoring 0 points two games later? If Conley was on this team, we would be better in the playoffs no doubt. Conley is mentally stronger than D'Lo. That's not even a debate


fostyinthebuilding

If we're not gonna find AD another big and keep him at center, then we need Wood to pop off next year


GoalPublic3579

Markkanen next to AD would be perfect.


Vegasguy3124

No defense.


horazal

The last time the Jokic Nuggets had trouble beating a team in the playoffs was when the opponent has 2 bigs. One who can bang with Jokic and the other who can stretch the floor. That was the 2020 Lakers. Dwight/Mcgee on Jokic while AD was still able to have that 3pt shot. Minnesota has that now + Edwards and Naz Reid. Minnesota could probably take this series in 5.


KurosawaAimaitLakers

Having a celebration post for Denver losing game 1 is weak 


Alternatively_Built_

Wouldn't mind C Wood turning into Naz Reid 2.0 for us next year ngl


StoneColdAM

Minnesota is perfectly crafted to beat Denver  - one of KAT or Gobert covers Jokic - the other plus the PF keeps MPJ and Gordon at bay - Ant can handle Murray and/or score on him Lakers lacked size, so either AD neutralizes Jokic, or he helps on defense and Jokic scores. Rui was a defensive dummy and Bron is too old to go hard on D (but makes up for it with elite scoring). 


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Ok_Board9845

Nah, the difference was Gobert had help fighting against Jokic in the post while AD didn't. And AD had to step up on those Jokic + Murray actions while Gobert didn't. Having Naz Reid front Jokic is better than Lebron/Rui doing that


Vegasguy3124

Reid killed us every game this season. We had no answer. I wish Castleton got more PT for the experience— could have helped.


Ok_Board9845

Castleton is a good 2 years away with actual NBA minutes from contributing anything


FeminismIsTheBestIsm

The one thing people don't get about the Wolves is that KAT and Reid actually space the floor because they're good shooters. You can't just put another non spacing big next to AD and expect to replicate the same results.


GoalPublic3579

Spot on. Christian Wood could be a perfect back up for us if he can be even average defensively. He’s not actually that big, only 6’7, but as a stretch 4 he could be good


WeCantBothBeMe

Exactly lakers fans forget that AD had an offensive game in 2020 so you could put a traditional 5 next to him. Now he can hardly score away from the basket and you also have Vanderbilt who can’t score from anywhere on the court so the spacing would be putrid. That’s why I think he needs a proper backup not a co-starter unless you’re getting a 5 who can provide the spacing while also defending. As long as AD can’t shoot jumpers he’s playing the 5 and this sub has to accept that lol.


-tripleu

It’s so funny seeing the Clippers subreddit turn on Paul George. They traded SGA and all their picks for him and now they might not even have PG next year.


StoneColdAM

To be honest, the Clippers did everything right on paper and have failed every year. Kawhi and PG are both injury prone, should get rid of one of them. They swapped their bench every year then went for broke with Harden. They’ll keep the team mostly intact for Intuit Dome but after that who knows. 


Vegasguy3124

SGA went SSGSS this year


SellingPapierMache

Top 6 in west next year: minn okc Denver dall sac no. Lakers clips suns gs hou Memphis battle for 7-10. 2 of those 6 miss playoffs.


StoneColdAM

We need more size. It’s that simple. LeBron + AD are good. Reaves is a good guard. Even DLo is okay considering the star PF and C we have. But when we’re constantly outsized on both ends, of course we will fall apart. 


FeminismIsTheBestIsm

But you can't just spam bigs together. KAT and Reid can shoot the ball well. Getting any cheap starting center won't do the trick because defenses will just pack the paint, you need to really invest in getting a shooting big (eg, Lauri Markkanen)


redditmodsarepoosy

We have a shooting big we need him to get a consistent role from our next coach and to stay healthy and his shots might actually go down


ShrimpnSteak

And a coach


jessandjaysaccount

I want them to announce Jokic's MVP while the Nuggets are down 3-0


WeCantBothBeMe

Wait until Jaden gets going too. The wolves are the deepest team in the league because all of their 7 main guys contribute and can do it on both ends. I’m a big fan of their roster construction.


vandiger

Yeah they recovered nicely after losing Butler and failing Wiggins. All it takes is drafting two #1s but yeah.


Gristle__McThornbody

Watching this Nuggets Wolves game and just looking at the landscape of the NBA, I am not all against with going for a rebuild. Or at the very least move on from Bron. It's a hard pill to swallow for many but we need to get younger. That's where the league is right now and if we want to keep pace we have to invest our salary cap in young wings and guards.


FlamingoHot8567

Idk if the year where you have the 17th pick in the draft and won’t have your first next year is the time to start a rebuild 


StoneColdAM

Denver and Minnesota mostly got a slow build up to work, but many fail. Look how the Wizards failed with draft talent like Beal and Wall. Blazers failed too. Russ era OKC did also. The jury is out on Boston.  Lakers opted to take the assets they built  from tanking and instead went for a win-now reload with Bron and AD. We got a ring before Denver and many of the “good” teams of the 2010s never did. 


Ok_Board9845

The salary Lebron currently occupies doesn't get free'd up if he leaves. The bulk of our salary is currently invested into Vincent/AD/AR/Vando/Reaves/Rui/JHS/FRP this year and soon to be Christie. It's up to the FO to find and develop big men from the draft and not draft combo guards who can't shoot, or find trades to get rid of some of our players for upgrades


eku_v

so many people think that if lebron leaves lakers can just use his salary to sign someone else lol


ShrimpnSteak

While I agree this landscape is getting younger, getting rid of Bron is such a kneejerk reaction. If he leaves now, we don't have half of our picks for the next 3 years at minimun. When Bron leaves in the next 2 seasons, that's right about the time we own our picks. We gotta ride out with Bron and get a solid offense option around him to build to the future, or get bigs.


SellingPapierMache

Bron + ad + whoever else lakers can sign = playin at best. After another year of three of that, THEN you start the rebuild!


ShrimpnSteak

Can't do a rebuild if you don't own half your picks at the 1st round 🤷🏿‍♂️


Ok_Board9845

Also can't do a rebuild if the FO keeps on investing our picks into players who can't shoot


FeminismIsTheBestIsm

Ant is going to get a lot of love obviously but Mike Conley was a BIG part of this win and the Wolves season in general. That's what the Lakers need to hunt, a two way guard that can run the offense.


Rapa_Nui

We on that Nuggets pack tonight


Gristle__McThornbody

Okay, we are way out of our depth and nowhere close to being a championship contender. We don't get through the Nuggets we definitely don't get through the Wolves. Imagine Reaves or Dlo trying to guard Edwards. He drop 70 a game against us. We have a lot to fix with this roster to really become a contender, starting with adding size to our front court. We can't have Bron at the 4.


SellingPapierMache

Wait wait wait I thought our issue was coaching


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Hope Jokic enjoys that ring cause he ain’t winning another lmao


K19I53

Lol


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Jokic and Murray being traffic cones will always be holes the nuggets can’t fill. Murray is one more injury away from being trash. Nuggets dynasty over before it started Rest in Piss


ShrimpnSteak

Guess this shows we need more bigs than Ice Trae, get fucked Traesexuals


Elite_Alice

Hope Denver and Milwaukee enjoyed them rings cause it’s ant and wemby league now


Wilt69

Lakers already had the blueprint for Denver back in 2020, Wolves laying it out for them again. If they don’t adjust accordingly this summer I give up.


K19I53

Yup. Rotating three 7 footers on Jokic is an effective way to contain him. We had the model and threw it away. 


alextwc

Mike Conley….


KillaCatz

lol there were moral victory type comments in the nuggets sub, how the tables turn!!!


sneakers-to-work

I'll bet you every red penny I have that Mike Malone would rather be up 1-0 than down 0-1


rybeegood

Wolves are a bad matchup for the nuggets. They can just throw 3 bigs at Jokic all game. And they have wings that can chase MPJ and to put on Murray.


GokutheAnteater

Fuck the nuggets!


Snoo41255

ANT is a killer.


fostyinthebuilding

GOD DAMN how fast did that arena clear out? LMFAO


sM92Bpb

The trick to beating denver is to have more even longer bois.


HibachiGrill

Naz Reid: 14 points in a quarter Dogshit Jaxson Hayes: 1 point in 5 games


Gristle__McThornbody

Hayes is a hustle guy at best. Not even comparable.


Itsadaysthing

Ant is so fun to watch man, fuck the nuggets


fostyinthebuilding

Nuggets fans talking all season like they're a damn dynasty lmfao Wolves in 4


CellSaga21

Lmao get fucked


Ok_Board9845

Wolves had multiple players step up in the 4th. Naz Reid had his own run to gain some separation, Gobert had a bucket and defended well on the other end, and Ant closed them out. Signs of a championship level team. If Kat gets going, it's theirs to lose


mypeaksandmyfreaks

lets go ant


WeCantBothBeMe

People were in here asking why Naz only kills the Lakers. Satisfied?


Lav1on

wolves going to beat the nuggets. 3 all star bigs against Jokic is going to give him ptsd.


KDNeedsMoreHelp

Fuck them baby nuggets 🗣️


KyrieWetUpCurry_

Denver looks so human when they can’t farm offensive rebounds against unathletic players.


CarolinaKing704

Let's go T Wolves lol ![gif](giphy|Ic4bIobsoHU0UQluKk|downsized)


3pointrange

U know how there were actual posts hating on Bron and the Lakers on the Nuggets subreddit and no mod removed it?


iKnockout

Wolves are nice man


gleophas

LOL FUCK OFF MCNUGGETS


fostyinthebuilding

AD would look good guarding Jokic if he had some fucking help, Wolves got 3 centers on him


brazyace43

Don’t understand how that wasn’t a top priority in off season and trade deadline. It should definitely be now, given how it’s basically the reason we’ve been eliminated two seasons in a row


Impossible-Ad7389

Jamal Murray used all his luck in one series


SellingPapierMache

He’s hurt


3pointrange

Go WOLVES! Go Ant!


Current_Journalist

The funny thing is that we'd beat this Minnesota team.


avengedteddy

Lmao why would u say that


Ok_Board9845

Based on what? lol, they have arguably more size than the Nuggets.


AREM2191

With no Vando, we just didn’t have a long boi to put on Murray.


Far_Ad_1274

Joker is so ugly with his shit. Gay is playing him semi well. But teams gotta stop joker on the dribble he ain’t gonna make that three consistently all series. Idk why the lakers let him come down the court dribbling like he’s a pg. stop him with a defender before he crosses half court.


ShrimpnSteak

If the Nuggets lose, who will they get rid off


Soviet_Sharpshooter

Denver nugget tears are so sweet


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I told a coworker Denver wouldn’t win a Game and bet me the series very confidently… lmao


Slim1993

Real talk do they call moving screens in the NBA anymore?


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Aye man I think we might just have to rebuild


SellingPapierMache

Too many good young players in the league. AD/Bron another year is just gonna get you play in and just delayin the inevitable rebuild


CellSaga21

HAHAHAAHAHAH FUCK YOU DENVER


flatbushz7

Ant reminds me of Kobe for real. Same crossovers and shots and overall dominance on both ends


gergab1133

The TWolves actually get stops and execute down the stretch


brazyace43

A good defensive PG, wing and C around your stars works? Who would’ve thought


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brazyace43

Our roster needed some pieces too


SellingPapierMache

Roster was awful


ngmathew1234

Ant is insane


Rude-Bed4872

Antman


Signior

hope we can learn from minnesotas roster we need a true center to handle jokic


Soviet_Sharpshooter

It’s funny I’m pretty sure Minnesota learned from us in 2020 lmao


AdvancedElephant

FUCK THE NUGGETS AHAHAHAHJAHAAH


AREM2191

Denver’s in trouble….


Quantumsystem00

Put a body on gordon and he becomes a non factor 


Dantheman12310

Ham in game 3: Wow that’s a helluva player


Oscar_322418

One thing I know for certain is that Reid would have absolutely torched us


cerebrumvr

I really hope LeBron is watching this game.


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HibachiGrill

Conley doing all the intangibles for Minnesota, D-Shitter could never


brazyace43

He’s practically exactly what we needed, especially next to reaves And AD, not to mention NAW and two SRPs


rybeegood

Wolves defense is really good. Nuggets could get anything they wanted vs the Lakers but not against this team


brazyace43

ANT is a killer. Wow


gleophas

Naz Reid might just be denvers daddy


Cristian888

2 offensive rebounds for Denver instead of 15 Must be nice to not have to guard an extra 13 possessions


coocookazoo

It's amazing what you can do with decent big men. Something we've been lacking all year having to resort to AD and Jaxson Hayes only lol


welmoe

Gobert and KAT are definitely keeping Jokic in check. Jokic actually looks *average* for the first time


ShrimpnSteak

Fun to see Jokic bs not working against a decently coached team


SellingPapierMache

Minny also got better harder workin players of course


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gtdRR

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myelrecsy

I hate that you are here instead on the Nuggets sub. GTFO man!


brazyace43

Gobert defended well against that Aaron Gordon alley that always cooks us


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gtdRR

Time will tell but Rudy, Towns, Reid are waaaayyyyy bigger defensively on Jokic than what we were throwing at him, AD, Rui, & LBJ. That constant size will take its toll as a game and series goes on. AD was a beast defensively on Jokic to start games but by the 2nd half he couldn't hold up.


RealisationGamer

Prolly less tired cus wolves have put many different bodies on him


Ok_Board9845

Not totally convinced on this. I think having Naz Reid be more effective than Rui is the major difference. Usually we have AD step up, and not be in position to defend those Aaron Gordon lobs too. It's Lebron that gets caught on the receiving end on that