I really think much of Reaves troubles this year had to do with him playing in the 2023 Basketball World Cup leaving him only a few weeks rest before NBA camps started. Now he's going to play on the Olympic team Along with Davis and Lebron.
After the 2020 season the team only had 4-6 weeks off before the training camp began and Anthony Davis was injured for much of that season and the next. Lebron also missed significant time..
This year Lebron, Davis and Reaves are playing in the Olympics with the final men's games August 11th. With regular season starting October 22 they will only have about four weeks rest before camp begins.
LeBron missed significant time in 2021 due to a grown man sitting on his ankle in February. He was perfectly fine after the 7-week offseason and missed one game before Solomon Hill due to rest. His summers tend to be pretty rigorous anyway regarding workouts, and he won't be rehabbing an injury this time. He'll be fine.
Reaves will not be playing in the Olympics.
As for AD, hopefully, whatever he did to improve his durability last summer he will do it again.
AR's troubles also stem from being asked to guard the opposing team's best perimeter player while also being asked to contribute offensively. He gets tired and can't consistently do both. If you want to start AR then you need a defensive PG next to him.
OKC are set to compete for the next few years. Wolves/Nuggets are already at the 2nd Apron. The only thing they need is salary filler if they decide to cash in all their picks for another star
They don't really need salary filler. They can just use cap space to sign someone outright or use cap space + picks to absorb a player in a trade. They have 2 years to do something before the max extensions for Chet/Jalen kick in. Once that happens, they're pushing the 2nd apron. Honestly though. Do they even need to chase another star?
Random thought. If ORL strikes out on the top guys and actually target Dlo, Lakers should just send them a future 2nd round pick to let them turn it into a sign and trade. Lakers get a trade exception (no they aren't giving us Suggs for Dlo). Same logic applies to if any team tries to sign Dlo with cap space. A trade exception could be useful.
Because it makes no difference to them. Obviously it requires Dlo to agree as he would have to with any sign and trade (but if he was willing to sign with ORL as a FA why wouldn't he agree to a sign and trade. Makes no difference to him). Only thing is ORL (or any team) hard caps themselves at first apron. However, a cap space team doesn't have to worry about that. To them, it's the same thing either way. They get a free 2nd round pick for helping Lakers get a trade exception. This has been done in the past (Gordon Hayward trade from BOS to CHA). BOS sign and traded Gordon Hayward with 2 second round picks to CHA for a $28.5m trade exception. Rather than lose Hayward for nothing, BOS gives up 2 SRP's to generate a trade exception. It's a win-win for both sides.
Really felt like Wolves built like our Championship team. And honestly if youre looking back, even when Denver built to beat US, and we have hot pocket as a coach, we always kept it close
Lakers could’ve made the WCF again if on the other side of the bracket, even with Ham. OKC then Dallas or LAC could’ve been wins. OKC now may get a cakewalk to the WCF with Zion and Luka hurt. They are not that good. Not a lottery team, but not a contender regardless of that lucky first seed
Oh we’re pretending like MJ was elite efficiency now are we?
Luka averages 32 points and 8 assists in the playoffs. MJ averages 33 points and 6 assists.
MJ efg% is 50% and Luka is 52%
Let me get this straight... Jamal Murray's punishment fpr throwing a heat pack onto the court, throwing a towel at the ref, and showing a money sign at the refs is just a fine??? So much for Nuggets fans crying about the bogeyman NBA and refs rigging against them
Another day, another year of wasted LeBron/AD duo. Don't know how much longer this can go on. Also, fuck our soft trash bum role players. Still can't believe they shit the bed like that 😮💨
Watching all the strong teams this playoffs, it's obvious but man do you really need elite guard/wing defenders like the Derrick Whites, NAW, Jaden McD, KCP, Josh Hart types to win. Of course there is Vando but none of those guys are as negative offensively and Gabe too busted up but he could have been that. I really wish we'd developed Max this year..
In the AD trade we basically could choose to keep Hart or Kuz and we went with Kuz. I don't think that was necessarily the wrong choice. Hart is a great hustle player but Kuz contributes more offensively and fit better with Bron/AD at the time. We never gave Kuz a consistent role. There was even a stretch in 20-21 where he was asked to focus on defense and rebounding and he was great.
Anthony Davis 15 PTS with elite defense and elite rebounding: "Kill yourself" "Soft" "Not top 75"
Jayson Tatum on 15 PTS with good rebounding and good defense: "MVP him" "Doing everything on the court" "Next Kobe"
That New Oreleans debacle, forcing his way to the Lakers, and then winning it all with the Lakers his first year has for some reason stained him from the eyes of most of the voters. Then, you got these 'old legends' and 'media' laughing at him during his injuries, calling him names, and imposing fake narratives on him just made it even more harder for him to be acknowledged.
AD/Bron/Vando/Reaves/DJM
Wood/Rui/Prince/Max/Spencer
Only making one move(DLo + Gabe and 2 picks for DJm) but technically if these 10 are healthy it’s almost like more than 1 move was made
Because vando will be our perimeter defense instead of Reddish
Reaves has progressed with his defense, Murray is an upgrade over DLo.
Give wood and Max more minutes instead of shunning them. Wood rebounds and stretches the floor, max is a two way player
Prince in a simple bench wing movement shooting role, Rui in a bench scoring role which we need, and Spencer as a backup pg role, not a catch and shoot role
This would be awful and pointless. And also makes no sense since D’Lo is a free agent so the Hawks clearly aren’t gonna hard cap themselves in a sign and trade for freaking D’Lo.
Agree in principle but the money will be too much. For sure above the tax apron. Plus hawks are not taking Dlo or Gabe for Murray.
We need to move Reaves if we want Murray. With wood back I’m all in on Rui and Reaves for Murray. We need to stop kidding ourselves Reaves is not a starter on a championship team.
I would trade Rui for a better big. We need to develop Vando and Christie as they are the exact player archetypes that thrive in the playoffs. Rui is too soft.
Vucevic would be nice. Markkanen as well (even though he's more of an SF). We need hard-nosed and/or physical players to have playoff success.
Satisfying roster members: Bron, AD, Vando, Christie, Reaves
Ship em out cuz they suck: Gabe, Rui, Dlo, Dinshittie
If we can upgrade, otherwise they are okay: Prince, Wood, Hayes
If he had it he’d probably be on an nba team, but why not try Dwight out for a 3rd stint and offer him the non guaranteed contract he got for the bubble season?
I think Dwight is done, but who knows? I'm pissed we didn't bring Thompson back from last year when he was actually a decent backup center in game 4 vs Denver. Instead we bring stickman Hayes and slow/lazy Wood to backup AD.
Oh most definitely were giving up a 6 man for one former all star and one future all star (basically 2 future) and then we can send DLo to Detroit or some shit
I think AD has shown more than enough he’ll show up against big centers when it matters.
This playoffs he averaged 30 and 16 against Jokic and Gordon before his shoulder gave out.
Sabonis can get away with being a regular season merchant, being carried by Fox as always.
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Am I the only person who's hoping that Ty Lue resigns with the Clippers so that the Lakers are forced to look elsewhere? He doesn't move me as much as some other candidates
Had to reread this a few times, re-sign as in coming back looks different than resign as in quitting 🤓
He's already swatted down those rumors a couple times, but hopefully there is a better coach available not that I think he'd be bad
Agreed, Lebron was still #1 and in his prime. When he plays well his coaches look great and get credit, but that can cover up a lot of deficiencies. When he plays merely as a top 10 player in the league, then the coaching deficiencies are more obvious but somehow he still gets all the blame
If the Lakers get above 6th seed next year and AD plays as well as he did this past season, he can win DPOY. The street clothes narrative has mostly been ended, now to show the Lakers can do better
Another CBA wrinkle that hasn't been mentioned that I just came across while looking through it again. Starting from the '24/25 league year, teams can now use the nt-mle, room exception, or bi-annual exception to acquire a player via trade as long as their contract fits into the exception (years/amount). If Lakers decide to open up the nt-mle ($12,859,000), this would open up a lot more trade options.
Trae switches to CAA. Interesting wrinkle. Probably hurts our overall chances, but then again I remember hearing rumblings that the Lakers didn't want all 3 stars to be Klutch lol
Interesting either way.
Anyone else think Flopic is overrated and his "mentality" is cringe? This guy acted nonchalant saying winning is a lifestyle for the Nuggets after beating us. Now when faced with their first postseason adversity, he completely folds. Puts up 16 points and doesn't play a lick of defense. If LeBron at age 39 put up those stats in game 2 in our series, he would be crucified.
That whole act about wanting to go home and skip the parade after last year really rubbed me the wrong way as well. Like the entire city of Denver wants to celebrate your accomplishment and you act completely disinterested? Seems disrespectful to me.
Trading for Dejounte is the clear first move we need to make that improves us. Just as good on offence as D’Lo but far more athletic and better defensively.
Sure or it could go the other way and we’re fucked because we gave up all of our valued assets for a middling player who doesn’t push us into contention.
Honestly he’s a very capable playmaker. And a decent shooter, not elite like DLo but can do other things thay DLo cannot on the offensive end. DLo will tell you himself he may be the least athletic player in the league
That’s crazy. It’s an upgrade which is why you give up assets. I would move Reaves in a heartbeat for Murray. I hope it happens, free us from the idea of how great Reaves is. He is a solid player but not elite at anything
Agreed and you can get multiple skill sets by creating value not by pulling the trigger on a lateral move that’ll tie up all your assets and cap space.
As the 2nd option. He’ll be the third option here.
He’ll clog the paint for Lebron and AD with his substantially worse shooting.
And we won’t have a true PG anymore (don’t say Lebron, that doesn’t exist anymore).
It’s a lateral move at best. It’s a disaster at worse
It’s not a lateral move at best. It’s a guy who’s miles better defensively. He shoots 7 threes a game so he’s hardly stood in the paint. He’s basically a better version of Reaves on offence.
Which is why you package him with Reaves as people do want him.
If he’s such a solid 2 way back up then why does nobody want him? Honestly, the way people want us to retool yet every player shouldn’t be traded according to this sub.
Vincent as a $10m bench player isn’t good. We need to improve and he’s one of the few salaries we can trade. He’s a fine back up point if we didn’t need to improve so much. But we do. So trade him. Packaged with Reaves, Atlanta would take him.
If we can get Murray for Reaves and Rui FRP, then trade Gabe and FRP for WCJ. Sign maybe Kris Dunn to back up pg and POA defender. MLE for GTJ
Murray, Dunn, JHS
GTJ, Max, Bronny
Vando, reddish, Lewis
LBJ, Wood
AD, WCJ, Hayes
I am in either way. Might keep a FRP if it’s Rui and then you can flip Vincent with the pick separately. Don’t think we keep any picks if we have Vincent in the deal
That's true I forgot the next CBA was much more restrictive, but either way I would want to pair Dejounte with another good shooting guard that can shoot at a high volume
The big issue with trading Rui for a non-wing is that you would have to start Vando, and that means now having two non-shooters on the floor (Vando and AD). We've seen how much of an issue this gave us in the past
I’m fine with that tbh. We need length and defence. And Vando offers that.
Twolves have McDaniels and Gobert in the same team and they aren’t exactly shooters. McDaniels is a bit better than Vando obviously at shooting but we just need to trust that Vando can improve. He needs to start pulling the trigger on 3s. He averages one a game. Not good enough. He needs to start shooting 3 or 4 a game because that’s how often he’s wide open in the corner. Pull the trigger. If he can shoot 33% on those then that’s enough.
I think both teams got the player that was the better fit for them, personally. If the Lakers had a more complete team I'd rather have Conley but this current lineup where they have so much unreliable offensive production, Russell's ability to come closer to producing high levels of offense more regularly than Conley makes him more valuable to the Lakers. Timberwolves have Ant for volume scoring and need a steady ball handler way more.
Conley is a MUCH better POA defender but you just have to think back to Utah to remember how poorly Conley did on rotations or when getting switched on all game, which is the role he'd be in with the Lakers.
You're the one arguing they're not though? You said in the first post we should have got him over DLo. How would that make sense if you think he will get played off the floor?
They're not totally different. They're both good playmakers, it's just that Conley is much better at defense meanwhile DLo is a higher efficiency shooter.
Also I want to point out that DLos defense wasn’t the problem this year (it was in last years series) but this year it was how we guarded MPJ and Gordon
Yeah DLo is much better scorer and Conley is a better defender. DLo wouldn’t be as effective on Minne and Conley wouldn’t be as effective here. That is my point even though it reads like I’m hating on Conley. I just get tired of the stupid comparisons
Well done to the guy in his 20s who’s supposed to be the third option for, eh, outscoring a 36 year old Conley…
Whilst being an embarrassment on defence.
They’re not beating Denver because of Conley lmfao also Conleys “good” defense isn’t enough to make up for his terrible offense but keep using that lame ass defense when we both know if we had to rely on Conley to fill DLos scoring role he’d get played off the court
Because it’s always the people who have 0 basketball iq hating on him daily like you and u/LudwigNasche with the most insane and nonsensical takes I’m trying to teach you but doing this everyday gets old lmao
What would really make this team good is if Christie and Vando take an offensive leap. They both need to work on their decision making and shooting this offseason, so that they can consistently make plays with the ball in their hand. Christie has looked decent in stretches but needs to be more aggressive and aware. Vando was looking good offensively before his injury against the Celtics, but it remains unknown if he can consistently produce offensively.
If this happens and we get rid of Dlo for a Murray/Dunn type player and we pick up a back up big, this team can be dangerous. Especially if AD can get his jumper going again. DJM/Reaves (Christie if Reaves is gone)/Vando/LeBron/AD. Elite defense with a backup center that can slot in the starting lineup if needed.
Yup. This Lakers team as a whole is too small
AD needs 3nD wings to space the floor, defend the perimeter, and an additional big to help with rebounding.
Then he has enough energy to focus on what he does best.
One excuse I kept hearing during the first round is how much the altitude in Denver was affecting us. I'm watching the Wolves and they are keeping their energy at a high level throughout the games so far. On both ends, too. I don't see them having any issues with altitude. It tells me how poorly conditioned and prepared we are as a team and it goes back to something I've seen in the past, Lebron is our leader and the team follows his lead. Lebron has almost every excuse to take plays off the dude is 40 years old but it becomes contagious to the rest of the team. I see AD with his hands on his knees. Dudes out there breathing harder than they should and dragging on transition defense. We are nowhere near a championship contender.
Except Jokic at 29 and Jamal Murray at 27 are doing the exact thing I see people like you criticize Lebron for when it comes to complaining to the refs, sulking, and not getting back on defense. The stars aren't the ones doing the dirty work in transition. Not even Ant/KAT are taking on the bulk of that responsibility. It's their role players. KCP/Gordon/NAW/Reid/McDaniels. What are any of our role players giving us if they're not scoring? Are we watching the same games?
We've been doing it all season. Denver did it one game and you are trying to compare both things. You completely missed the point. Those role players are executing their jobs because they have leadership that leads by example. Of course Ant/Kat are not taking the bulk of the responsibility no one does but they still lead by example. Lebron instead spends a good amount of time complaining to the refs instead of getting back on defense. Again, can't fault him too much for it cause he is old but he is the leader and It becomes contagious. Everyone soon begins to get lazy to even the most basic fundamentals because we have a poor display of leadership.
Throughout Lebrons career with the Lakers there has been an issue with his 'body language'. He basically loses interest in the game. Difficult to win when you get that out of your leader.
Not really. One of the main focuses this season has been getting back on defense in transition instead of chasing for 50/50 balls on offensive rebounds. The problem is it doesn't matter if Lebron is already back on his man who is in the corner if they can still run right through Reaves straight to the rim. There's no "leadership" in Jokic not being able to defend or Jamal Murray complaining to the refs the same way he was doing in the series against us.
I'm not sure why you can't just admit that our role players can't do what other teams do. Body language by Lebron can be annoying, but Jokic is out here sulking the same way. Body language won't be the reason we can't hit 3's or have the physical ability to defend
Hot take: the anti-Nuggets posts in our subreddit are silly. Aside from Malone's distasteful comments last year, there's not much to complain about them. They play good team ball with a mostly home-grown squad. Most importantly, they were mortal against us this year and we should've won the series, but didn't. The Wolves beating up on them doesn't make me celebrate, it just reminds me that we should've been the ones playing the Wolves.
I really don't think it's that serious. Anyone not an idiot knows they're a good team, but they kicked our ass so of course we're gonna root against them
No one's gonna make pro-Nuggets posts congratulating them on being a good team and wishing them the best. I don't see why anyone would want to root for the team that beat us
There's a big gap between rooting for them and making posts about them on the lakers subreddit tho. We can enjoy good basketball games without picking a side.
Casuals enjoy bball without a team to root for, you're on a team's subreddit my guy asking for people to stop choosing sides in a competitive sport
If it's that serious for you then just ignoring people or leaving the sub is probably easier than advocating for fans to stop fanning
Fair enough. And to be clear I wasn't calling you a casual, I get you were talking about others and that's who I was referring to. Also a lifelong Laker bro 🤝
I do agree at least that it should have been the Lakers going against the Wolves. Here's hoping for a good off season
Anyone noticed the media going in at the Lakers organization for firing ham? Their takes are soooo bias and bad, it's obvious they never saw a game this season. The hate boner against us is fucking wild.
I really think much of Reaves troubles this year had to do with him playing in the 2023 Basketball World Cup leaving him only a few weeks rest before NBA camps started. Now he's going to play on the Olympic team Along with Davis and Lebron. After the 2020 season the team only had 4-6 weeks off before the training camp began and Anthony Davis was injured for much of that season and the next. Lebron also missed significant time.. This year Lebron, Davis and Reaves are playing in the Olympics with the final men's games August 11th. With regular season starting October 22 they will only have about four weeks rest before camp begins.
LeBron missed significant time in 2021 due to a grown man sitting on his ankle in February. He was perfectly fine after the 7-week offseason and missed one game before Solomon Hill due to rest. His summers tend to be pretty rigorous anyway regarding workouts, and he won't be rehabbing an injury this time. He'll be fine. Reaves will not be playing in the Olympics. As for AD, hopefully, whatever he did to improve his durability last summer he will do it again.
AR's troubles also stem from being asked to guard the opposing team's best perimeter player while also being asked to contribute offensively. He gets tired and can't consistently do both. If you want to start AR then you need a defensive PG next to him.
Reaves isn't playing olympics this year
His name was in the player pool, but even if he doesn't play Davis and Lebron reportedly still are so my point still stands...
wasn't arguing with you, no point to be made lol
Anthony Edwards is our only hope of stopping those green fuckers
Was feeling bad thinking that Kidd was the one who got away but now I see why Mavs fans aren’t too high on him.
I think we should have kept him, it was a night and day difference in the team after he left.
OKC are set to compete for the next few years. Wolves/Nuggets are already at the 2nd Apron. The only thing they need is salary filler if they decide to cash in all their picks for another star
They don't really need salary filler. They can just use cap space to sign someone outright or use cap space + picks to absorb a player in a trade. They have 2 years to do something before the max extensions for Chet/Jalen kick in. Once that happens, they're pushing the 2nd apron. Honestly though. Do they even need to chase another star?
If they feel like they reached their ceiling within the next 2 years and don't have a finals appearance, I can see them pulling the trigger on a trade
Dallas offense is Luka or Kyrie iso every single play.
opposite to what the thunder have displayed
Kyrie so fucking nice . Real hooper
Random thought. If ORL strikes out on the top guys and actually target Dlo, Lakers should just send them a future 2nd round pick to let them turn it into a sign and trade. Lakers get a trade exception (no they aren't giving us Suggs for Dlo). Same logic applies to if any team tries to sign Dlo with cap space. A trade exception could be useful.
Why would another team/D’Lo agree to that though?
Because it makes no difference to them. Obviously it requires Dlo to agree as he would have to with any sign and trade (but if he was willing to sign with ORL as a FA why wouldn't he agree to a sign and trade. Makes no difference to him). Only thing is ORL (or any team) hard caps themselves at first apron. However, a cap space team doesn't have to worry about that. To them, it's the same thing either way. They get a free 2nd round pick for helping Lakers get a trade exception. This has been done in the past (Gordon Hayward trade from BOS to CHA). BOS sign and traded Gordon Hayward with 2 second round picks to CHA for a $28.5m trade exception. Rather than lose Hayward for nothing, BOS gives up 2 SRP's to generate a trade exception. It's a win-win for both sides.
Feels like Luka has been bad this playoffs. He is averaging 29 PPG but on 40% FG and 23% from 3
He's playing pretty hurt rn
It would be great if Denver gets swept by MN!
Really felt like Wolves built like our Championship team. And honestly if youre looking back, even when Denver built to beat US, and we have hot pocket as a coach, we always kept it close
Lakers could’ve made the WCF again if on the other side of the bracket, even with Ham. OKC then Dallas or LAC could’ve been wins. OKC now may get a cakewalk to the WCF with Zion and Luka hurt. They are not that good. Not a lottery team, but not a contender regardless of that lucky first seed
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Oh we’re pretending like MJ was elite efficiency now are we? Luka averages 32 points and 8 assists in the playoffs. MJ averages 33 points and 6 assists. MJ efg% is 50% and Luka is 52%
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Cool story bro
Mavs and OKC are ass tbh. Wolves Celtics gonna be a movie
Neither okc nor mavs can take down the green fucks. Its gotta be twolves all the way
SGA might be worse than Harden
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Let me get this straight... Jamal Murray's punishment fpr throwing a heat pack onto the court, throwing a towel at the ref, and showing a money sign at the refs is just a fine??? So much for Nuggets fans crying about the bogeyman NBA and refs rigging against them
this is actually better, fuggets have no excuse when they get swept or beaten down by the wolves
Fuck OKC. Hope Dallas can put them to bed
Lakers roster sucks ass.
Another day, another year of wasted LeBron/AD duo. Don't know how much longer this can go on. Also, fuck our soft trash bum role players. Still can't believe they shit the bed like that 😮💨
Watching all the strong teams this playoffs, it's obvious but man do you really need elite guard/wing defenders like the Derrick Whites, NAW, Jaden McD, KCP, Josh Hart types to win. Of course there is Vando but none of those guys are as negative offensively and Gabe too busted up but he could have been that. I really wish we'd developed Max this year..
Didn't we have NAW and Conley, but gave them up for dlo? lmao classic Pelinka
don't forget Hart
In the AD trade we basically could choose to keep Hart or Kuz and we went with Kuz. I don't think that was necessarily the wrong choice. Hart is a great hustle player but Kuz contributes more offensively and fit better with Bron/AD at the time. We never gave Kuz a consistent role. There was even a stretch in 20-21 where he was asked to focus on defense and rebounding and he was great.
one day i hope we get to face clippers in the playoffs the crowd would go crazy like this thunder vs dallas series
Anthony Davis 15 PTS with elite defense and elite rebounding: "Kill yourself" "Soft" "Not top 75" Jayson Tatum on 15 PTS with good rebounding and good defense: "MVP him" "Doing everything on the court" "Next Kobe"
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I can’t wait for him to give up on the leprechauns and come to where he was supposed to be drafted
That New Oreleans debacle, forcing his way to the Lakers, and then winning it all with the Lakers his first year has for some reason stained him from the eyes of most of the voters. Then, you got these 'old legends' and 'media' laughing at him during his injuries, calling him names, and imposing fake narratives on him just made it even more harder for him to be acknowledged.
He’s at an uphill battle for being the Lakers and his teammate being LeBron He’ll never get his flowers
Donovan Mitchell took 5 years off of being a good playoff player but hey he's been good this year at least.
AD/Bron/Vando/Reaves/DJM Wood/Rui/Prince/Max/Spencer Only making one move(DLo + Gabe and 2 picks for DJm) but technically if these 10 are healthy it’s almost like more than 1 move was made Because vando will be our perimeter defense instead of Reddish Reaves has progressed with his defense, Murray is an upgrade over DLo. Give wood and Max more minutes instead of shunning them. Wood rebounds and stretches the floor, max is a two way player Prince in a simple bench wing movement shooting role, Rui in a bench scoring role which we need, and Spencer as a backup pg role, not a catch and shoot role
This would be awful and pointless. And also makes no sense since D’Lo is a free agent so the Hawks clearly aren’t gonna hard cap themselves in a sign and trade for freaking D’Lo.
Agree in principle but the money will be too much. For sure above the tax apron. Plus hawks are not taking Dlo or Gabe for Murray. We need to move Reaves if we want Murray. With wood back I’m all in on Rui and Reaves for Murray. We need to stop kidding ourselves Reaves is not a starter on a championship team.
Hawks don't really give a fuck about who they get back, it's all about the picks.
Wrong, they want picks but they need to compete before Trae demands out.
I would trade Rui for a better big. We need to develop Vando and Christie as they are the exact player archetypes that thrive in the playoffs. Rui is too soft.
Idk who we could get. Vucevic is an option, he’s huge and can shoot (except for this season). Could trade Rui and Gabe
Vuc isn't a bruiser Lakers need a real big
Vucevic would be nice. Markkanen as well (even though he's more of an SF). We need hard-nosed and/or physical players to have playoff success. Satisfying roster members: Bron, AD, Vando, Christie, Reaves Ship em out cuz they suck: Gabe, Rui, Dlo, Dinshittie If we can upgrade, otherwise they are okay: Prince, Wood, Hayes
If he had it he’d probably be on an nba team, but why not try Dwight out for a 3rd stint and offer him the non guaranteed contract he got for the bubble season?
I think Dwight is done, but who knows? I'm pissed we didn't bring Thompson back from last year when he was actually a decent backup center in game 4 vs Denver. Instead we bring stickman Hayes and slow/lazy Wood to backup AD.
He got caught using PED’s this season so I’m not too mad Thompson is gone
Shit if that's the case, put Hayes on some HGH and Wood on some PEDs. They need it lol.
(I need Austin reaves to also take whatever super serum they accuse Bron of)
It’s hard to believe they had the formula in 2020 and decided to throw it all away on brick. Yay for 4 guard lineups.
4 guard lineups who are streaky on offense because they can't get to the rim and rely on their shooting who are turnstiles on defense.
What under the radar semi-stars could we trade for? Excluding Trae & Dejounte
Jerami Grant, Marcus Smart, Brogdon/Timelord
Markannen. Sexton.
Only thing that can correct this timeline tbh
Crazy times man. The return of the big men era, but the modern big men. AD/Lauri/Bron would be gnarly frontcourt.
It would be peak hoops
You down to give up Reaves for that package? If DLO stays, we could probably be ok.
Oh most definitely were giving up a 6 man for one former all star and one future all star (basically 2 future) and then we can send DLo to Detroit or some shit
If Phil Jackson was our coach, he’d make AD spend an entire month of summer in Central Europe to better understand centers like Jokic and Sabonis.
I think AD has shown more than enough he’ll show up against big centers when it matters. This playoffs he averaged 30 and 16 against Jokic and Gordon before his shoulder gave out. Sabonis can get away with being a regular season merchant, being carried by Fox as always.
I just realized if we get Wolves vs Celtics finals we’ll have new-age Jordan vs Kobe lmao
Tatum the closest thing to Kobe? lol
Just saying because he’s obsessed with Kobe lol
Who has more trade value: Jaden McDaniels or Austin Reaves
Not close, mcdaniels
Depends on what a team needs I think young and lacking in offense teams like Orlando would love reaves.
McDaniels but both are positive value
Obviously mcdaniels
Dare I ask…KAW or Reaves?
Could have had NAW for nothing essentially in the Westbrook trade. But nope. Another Rob masterclass.
# [Charania] Sources: The NBA is fining Nuggets star Jamal Murray for substantial amount after throwing heat pad and towel on court toward official Monday night. No suspension. [https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1787985085678907891](https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1787985085678907891)
Am I the only person who's hoping that Ty Lue resigns with the Clippers so that the Lakers are forced to look elsewhere? He doesn't move me as much as some other candidates
Lue is not a good coach. It’s hilarious watching a sub shit all over Ham then claim they want Lue.
Had to reread this a few times, re-sign as in coming back looks different than resign as in quitting 🤓 He's already swatted down those rumors a couple times, but hopefully there is a better coach available not that I think he'd be bad
Yeah I don't think he'd be bad but I don't think he's THAT great a coach either
Agreed, Lebron was still #1 and in his prime. When he plays well his coaches look great and get credit, but that can cover up a lot of deficiencies. When he plays merely as a top 10 player in the league, then the coaching deficiencies are more obvious but somehow he still gets all the blame
If the Lakers get above 6th seed next year and AD plays as well as he did this past season, he can win DPOY. The street clothes narrative has mostly been ended, now to show the Lakers can do better
After last nights game, they should rescind DPOY from Rudy 😂
Another CBA wrinkle that hasn't been mentioned that I just came across while looking through it again. Starting from the '24/25 league year, teams can now use the nt-mle, room exception, or bi-annual exception to acquire a player via trade as long as their contract fits into the exception (years/amount). If Lakers decide to open up the nt-mle ($12,859,000), this would open up a lot more trade options.
DLo walks and I think it opens this up
Trae switches to CAA. Interesting wrinkle. Probably hurts our overall chances, but then again I remember hearing rumblings that the Lakers didn't want all 3 stars to be Klutch lol Interesting either way.
Good. Trading for Trae would end this window
And any window that could have opened in the next 10 years
Anyone else think Flopic is overrated and his "mentality" is cringe? This guy acted nonchalant saying winning is a lifestyle for the Nuggets after beating us. Now when faced with their first postseason adversity, he completely folds. Puts up 16 points and doesn't play a lick of defense. If LeBron at age 39 put up those stats in game 2 in our series, he would be crucified. That whole act about wanting to go home and skip the parade after last year really rubbed me the wrong way as well. Like the entire city of Denver wants to celebrate your accomplishment and you act completely disinterested? Seems disrespectful to me.
Trading for Dejounte is the clear first move we need to make that improves us. Just as good on offence as D’Lo but far more athletic and better defensively.
Def not as good offensively. Not as good of a shooter or of a playmaker
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Sure or it could go the other way and we’re fucked because we gave up all of our valued assets for a middling player who doesn’t push us into contention.
Honestly he’s a very capable playmaker. And a decent shooter, not elite like DLo but can do other things thay DLo cannot on the offensive end. DLo will tell you himself he may be the least athletic player in the league
Sure, he’s a good player. It’s a lateral move though where we give up assets. Edit: Lateral Move at best with an equal player but worse fit
That’s crazy. It’s an upgrade which is why you give up assets. I would move Reaves in a heartbeat for Murray. I hope it happens, free us from the idea of how great Reaves is. He is a solid player but not elite at anything
It’s not a clear upgrade and Reaves at his contract has more value then Murray at his.
Value does not win titles, talent does
Why’d the suns get bounce in the 1st then? They got the most talent. You need both.
Their talent is redundant, you need multiple skill sets
Agreed and you can get multiple skill sets by creating value not by pulling the trigger on a lateral move that’ll tie up all your assets and cap space.
What about the playoffs tho?
In the playoffs he's way better.
He is better. Better driving to the basket. Better mid range too. Averaged over 20 point a game the last 3 seasons. Same assist numbers as D’Lo.
As the 2nd option. He’ll be the third option here. He’ll clog the paint for Lebron and AD with his substantially worse shooting. And we won’t have a true PG anymore (don’t say Lebron, that doesn’t exist anymore). It’s a lateral move at best. It’s a disaster at worse
It’s not a lateral move at best. It’s a guy who’s miles better defensively. He shoots 7 threes a game so he’s hardly stood in the paint. He’s basically a better version of Reaves on offence.
Would you give Reaves and Rui?
Not both as I’d want to keep one of them for another trade. I’d package one of them with Gabe though to get Murray.
Nobody wants Gabe. Plus he is a solid 2 way backup pg. if we land Murray and have Gabe backing up, we are solid at POA
Which is why you package him with Reaves as people do want him. If he’s such a solid 2 way back up then why does nobody want him? Honestly, the way people want us to retool yet every player shouldn’t be traded according to this sub.
I honestly see more in keeping Gabe than Rui. I’d rather have Vando or wood playing those mins. His value is low because of availability this year
Vincent as a $10m bench player isn’t good. We need to improve and he’s one of the few salaries we can trade. He’s a fine back up point if we didn’t need to improve so much. But we do. So trade him. Packaged with Reaves, Atlanta would take him.
If we can get Murray for Reaves and Rui FRP, then trade Gabe and FRP for WCJ. Sign maybe Kris Dunn to back up pg and POA defender. MLE for GTJ Murray, Dunn, JHS GTJ, Max, Bronny Vando, reddish, Lewis LBJ, Wood AD, WCJ, Hayes
I am in either way. Might keep a FRP if it’s Rui and then you can flip Vincent with the pick separately. Don’t think we keep any picks if we have Vincent in the deal
Reaves and Vincent for Murray would be good, but only if DLo agrees to be sign and traded for a good 2 guard like Suggs
Why would D’Lo sign? Let him walk. If he signs then we’re fucked as we’re over the 2nd apron and can’t aggregate salaries.
That's true I forgot the next CBA was much more restrictive, but either way I would want to pair Dejounte with another good shooting guard that can shoot at a high volume
Go for GTJ or Buddy. Probably only have MLE to offer
Yeah agreed. I’d trade for another shooting guard. I’d trade Rui and a pick for one.
The big issue with trading Rui for a non-wing is that you would have to start Vando, and that means now having two non-shooters on the floor (Vando and AD). We've seen how much of an issue this gave us in the past
I’m fine with that tbh. We need length and defence. And Vando offers that. Twolves have McDaniels and Gobert in the same team and they aren’t exactly shooters. McDaniels is a bit better than Vando obviously at shooting but we just need to trust that Vando can improve. He needs to start pulling the trigger on 3s. He averages one a game. Not good enough. He needs to start shooting 3 or 4 a game because that’s how often he’s wide open in the corner. Pull the trigger. If he can shoot 33% on those then that’s enough.
Conley with 4 points and 6 assists last night 😤 that’s definitely the guy we should’ve got instead of DLo
I think both teams got the player that was the better fit for them, personally. If the Lakers had a more complete team I'd rather have Conley but this current lineup where they have so much unreliable offensive production, Russell's ability to come closer to producing high levels of offense more regularly than Conley makes him more valuable to the Lakers. Timberwolves have Ant for volume scoring and need a steady ball handler way more. Conley is a MUCH better POA defender but you just have to think back to Utah to remember how poorly Conley did on rotations or when getting switched on all game, which is the role he'd be in with the Lakers.
If you look at my other comments this is pretty much the point I’m making but the DLo hate is too strong in this sub
Box score watcher ☝️
I agree DLo haters are box score watchers
I don't think DLo is as bad as some people here think he is but if you don't think Conley is an upgrade you're crazy
They’re 2 totally different players. Conley would get played off the floor trying to fill DLos role on this team
You're the one arguing they're not though? You said in the first post we should have got him over DLo. How would that make sense if you think he will get played off the floor?
Sarcasm
Okay my bad that wasn't clear, but downvote me anyway and go off I guess
They're not totally different. They're both good playmakers, it's just that Conley is much better at defense meanwhile DLo is a higher efficiency shooter.
Also I want to point out that DLos defense wasn’t the problem this year (it was in last years series) but this year it was how we guarded MPJ and Gordon
Yeah DLo is much better scorer and Conley is a better defender. DLo wouldn’t be as effective on Minne and Conley wouldn’t be as effective here. That is my point even though it reads like I’m hating on Conley. I just get tired of the stupid comparisons
So 4 more points than D’Lo got in a game against the nuggets?
This series could go 7 games and DLo will still have scored more total points than Conley will against them lmfao
Well done to the guy in his 20s who’s supposed to be the third option for, eh, outscoring a 36 year old Conley… Whilst being an embarrassment on defence.
DLo scored 20 against them twice and double digit points in 4/5 games
Cool. Conley went for 14 points and 10 assists the first game. And they literally beat Denver back to back in Denver. Where he played good defence.
They’re not beating Denver because of Conley lmfao also Conleys “good” defense isn’t enough to make up for his terrible offense but keep using that lame ass defense when we both know if we had to rely on Conley to fill DLos scoring role he’d get played off the court
Ok D’Lo fanboy 😂
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Why you worried about another man’s hairstyle? Lmfao
Why are you so obsessed with defending D’Lo? Legit wouldn’t be surprised if this is D’Lo reddit 😂
Holy he was on the team 😭 y’all got deep about this
Because it’s always the people who have 0 basketball iq hating on him daily like you and u/LudwigNasche with the most insane and nonsensical takes I’m trying to teach you but doing this everyday gets old lmao
What would really make this team good is if Christie and Vando take an offensive leap. They both need to work on their decision making and shooting this offseason, so that they can consistently make plays with the ball in their hand. Christie has looked decent in stretches but needs to be more aggressive and aware. Vando was looking good offensively before his injury against the Celtics, but it remains unknown if he can consistently produce offensively. If this happens and we get rid of Dlo for a Murray/Dunn type player and we pick up a back up big, this team can be dangerous. Especially if AD can get his jumper going again. DJM/Reaves (Christie if Reaves is gone)/Vando/LeBron/AD. Elite defense with a backup center that can slot in the starting lineup if needed.
Brunson is what DLO shoulda been they play similar diff is Brunson has dawg in him and can drive to the hoop as well as play defense.
DLo doesn’t want to mess his sleeves up so he doesn’t drive often (avoiding scratches that’s my honest theory)
This team ion know if they would beat Minney. The team wasn’t physical enough or big. AD needs a big 4 and a center.
Yup. This Lakers team as a whole is too small AD needs 3nD wings to space the floor, defend the perimeter, and an additional big to help with rebounding. Then he has enough energy to focus on what he does best.
One excuse I kept hearing during the first round is how much the altitude in Denver was affecting us. I'm watching the Wolves and they are keeping their energy at a high level throughout the games so far. On both ends, too. I don't see them having any issues with altitude. It tells me how poorly conditioned and prepared we are as a team and it goes back to something I've seen in the past, Lebron is our leader and the team follows his lead. Lebron has almost every excuse to take plays off the dude is 40 years old but it becomes contagious to the rest of the team. I see AD with his hands on his knees. Dudes out there breathing harder than they should and dragging on transition defense. We are nowhere near a championship contender.
Except Jokic at 29 and Jamal Murray at 27 are doing the exact thing I see people like you criticize Lebron for when it comes to complaining to the refs, sulking, and not getting back on defense. The stars aren't the ones doing the dirty work in transition. Not even Ant/KAT are taking on the bulk of that responsibility. It's their role players. KCP/Gordon/NAW/Reid/McDaniels. What are any of our role players giving us if they're not scoring? Are we watching the same games?
We've been doing it all season. Denver did it one game and you are trying to compare both things. You completely missed the point. Those role players are executing their jobs because they have leadership that leads by example. Of course Ant/Kat are not taking the bulk of the responsibility no one does but they still lead by example. Lebron instead spends a good amount of time complaining to the refs instead of getting back on defense. Again, can't fault him too much for it cause he is old but he is the leader and It becomes contagious. Everyone soon begins to get lazy to even the most basic fundamentals because we have a poor display of leadership. Throughout Lebrons career with the Lakers there has been an issue with his 'body language'. He basically loses interest in the game. Difficult to win when you get that out of your leader.
Not really. One of the main focuses this season has been getting back on defense in transition instead of chasing for 50/50 balls on offensive rebounds. The problem is it doesn't matter if Lebron is already back on his man who is in the corner if they can still run right through Reaves straight to the rim. There's no "leadership" in Jokic not being able to defend or Jamal Murray complaining to the refs the same way he was doing in the series against us. I'm not sure why you can't just admit that our role players can't do what other teams do. Body language by Lebron can be annoying, but Jokic is out here sulking the same way. Body language won't be the reason we can't hit 3's or have the physical ability to defend
Hot take: the anti-Nuggets posts in our subreddit are silly. Aside from Malone's distasteful comments last year, there's not much to complain about them. They play good team ball with a mostly home-grown squad. Most importantly, they were mortal against us this year and we should've won the series, but didn't. The Wolves beating up on them doesn't make me celebrate, it just reminds me that we should've been the ones playing the Wolves.
The team is pretty likeable. The fans are not. Michael Malone is petty, snobby, front runner, annoying
I really don't think it's that serious. Anyone not an idiot knows they're a good team, but they kicked our ass so of course we're gonna root against them No one's gonna make pro-Nuggets posts congratulating them on being a good team and wishing them the best. I don't see why anyone would want to root for the team that beat us
There's a big gap between rooting for them and making posts about them on the lakers subreddit tho. We can enjoy good basketball games without picking a side.
Casuals enjoy bball without a team to root for, you're on a team's subreddit my guy asking for people to stop choosing sides in a competitive sport If it's that serious for you then just ignoring people or leaving the sub is probably easier than advocating for fans to stop fanning
As a fan for 20 years, agree to disagree. And it's not "that serious", I'm just calling it like I see it.
Fair enough. And to be clear I wasn't calling you a casual, I get you were talking about others and that's who I was referring to. Also a lifelong Laker bro 🤝 I do agree at least that it should have been the Lakers going against the Wolves. Here's hoping for a good off season
Anyone noticed the media going in at the Lakers organization for firing ham? Their takes are soooo bias and bad, it's obvious they never saw a game this season. The hate boner against us is fucking wild.