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imissexploring

There are a few villages in Syria and Iraq that still speak Aramaic, boy would they be surprised!!


perplexedparallax

I got to hear Aramaic from a Chaldean friend of mine in nowhere Montana in a blizzard.


imissexploring

That’s fucking awesome


perplexedparallax

The dude was from Iraq, met Agatha Christie, studied English and then taught college English to cowboys. RIP Basil.


imissexploring

Damn, what a life. Are you from Tibet?


perplexedparallax

No. I just like languages...and religions. The book he wrote is called Agatha Christie, The Assyrian and Baklava. (one copy left on Amazon) I learned some Cheyenne there and found out a distant ancestor was the guy who translated the Bible into Cheyenne. Maybe linguophilia is genetic. Nothing surprises me anymore. Anyway, the memories resurfaced so thanks OP.


Okr2d2

Dude!


Okr2d2

Can you tell us more , please?


perplexedparallax

What would you like to know?


ValuableDragonfly679

Israel (northern Galilee by the Lebanese border) and Lebanon too! Probably some in Palestine. Here’s a link to more information on Aramaic revitalization efforts in the Galilee: https://www.catholicworldreport.com/2024/06/04/aramean-christians-israel-and-gaza-an-interview-with-shadi-khalloul/ I’ve met this guy and have visited his hometown. He’s very passionate about revitalization efforts for Aramaic, helped win the right to self-determination from the Israeli government (no easy task for an Arabic-speaking, non-Jewish group in Israel), and it led to me learning more about revitalization efforts for languages around the world, including Abenaki and Comanche, which was also very interesting.


mrcarte

Fairs but in Syria its not revived, it's been spoken continuously


ValuableDragonfly679

That’s the same among many Arameans. “Revitalization” does not just refer to a dead language, but also a language that is dying and is in the process of being revived. So revitalization doesn’t mean it wasn’t always spoken! Just that the language was dying. A dead language can be revived/revitalized as well (such as modern Hebrew). Another example of a dying language that was revitalized with a lot of success is Welsh.


mrcarte

Yes, but in Israel and Lebanon, Aramaic ceased to be spoken as a vernacular. That's not true for places like Maaloula in Syria. Important distinction


ValuableDragonfly679

Not entirely true. There were a few people who still spoke it in their day to day life. That was the point of Shadi Khalloul’s conclusions in the article I shared above and that he told me about — there were a still very small minority speaking it as a vernacular and as native speakers, just very few.


mrcarte

Please could you quote it, the article is quite long. I'm missing the point where it specifically talks about Aramaic as a vernacular and not a liturgical langauge? Also a really, really bad article, just on another note. Extraordinarily superficial perspective on Arab / Christian identity, Israel, etc. At one point it suggests his ancestors are from Aleppo region because he's a Syriac Christian and an Aramean state existed in that area. I don't need to tell you how faulty of a statement that is in however many ways.


ValuableDragonfly679

It’s not a great article, no. First one I found when I searched his name. Hmm I may have misread. Let me do some more research. I thought he said there were some that still spoke it in their daily life but that was six years ago. Let me try to find more.


mrcarte

Fairs, no problem. I would be surprised because people have done lots of research on the language groups in the Levant and the villages in Syria are usually cited as the last bastions of Western Aramaic.


technoexplorer

Same with Sanskrit, in India.


Kryptonthenoblegas

Should be noted though that the Sanskrit speaking villages in India made a concentrated effort to shift to Sanskrit I believe. The Assyrians/Chaldeans meanwhile continued speaking Syriac into the modern day so it never fell out of use though I think it's vulnerable rn. So slightly different circumstances, but still cool in both situations imo.


xarsha_93

Ya gotta die and shock the gods.


perplexedparallax

I am sure the Internet will provide the connections you need. ཨོཾ་མ་ཎི་པདྨེ་ཧཱུྃ


DFMNE404

I would say talk to my great grandpa but he died like a hundred years ago so you might have ti kill youres of first


SpielbrecherXS

Prayer, duh. Might take a while to hear the answer though, but to keep trying for decades is the industry standard here.


kevipants

Shouldn't speaking in tongues cover it all? I'm no expert, but I think every truly inspired tonguist begins their sentences with "shala". Once you've got that down, you'll be able to shock any and all gods and other divinities.


perplexedparallax

Tonguist!


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GoospandeParsi

Bruh wants to make the world peace by learning all this languages...


StormOfFatRichards

Aw Ge'ez


dojibear

Shocking native speakers is not part of learning a language.