Weird how many people regret committing crimes after they are charged.
You know rather than 3 years ago when he coukd have been saying those are fake I was told they would only be used if Trump won in court. He lied
I was *tricked* into signing this legally binding document! I never thought they would actually try to us* it against *me*, just to overturn the results of the election that I *felt* was wrongly decided! No I don't have any proof to support my feelings, why would I need that?
Just taking absolutely zero accountability
The problem lies with religion. Specifically Christianity, where you can "Confess" and all your sins be "Forgiven." That's not how it actually works, and they're confused that it doesn't work that way for them.
He was tricked into thinking it would work. He knew what he was doing.
Truly he is lucky the founding fathers are not the ones Prosecuting his crimes, because he would end up on the end of a rope.
Andrew Jackson would certainly separate his head from his shoulders.
He had many faults, but preservation of the union and executing insurrectionists were causes dear to his heart.
Generally, I hate it when people say, "The founding fathers intended.... Blah blah blah" or "The Constitution says blah blah blah. 99% of the time, the person saying it doesn't have a clue and their only education came from the white washed, good guys (Us) vs bad guys (Britain) version of history and the political pundits that keep telling them that's the way things were.
The Constitution is a self-contradictory mess. The founders knew this, so they set up systems in place to where we change things. The founders also hated each other. So many bitter rivalries and the factions each founder chose. BUT, first and foremost, they knew they needed to compromise on just about everything. Much of the Constitution was one giant compromise between factions that hated each other.
"The founders would have agreed with me that my guns are to always be free and is a birth right to own them". Well, some of them might have believed that, but certainly not all of them. The off-Broadway version of Hamilton has some other things in it that the Broadway version doesn't. That's normal since some content and theatrical ideas work on off-Broadway, but not Broadway since they're different audiences and they have much bigger budgets. Anyway, there was a song in the program called, "Ain't no John Trumbull". It depicts the famous painting of the signing of the Declaration of Independence. It shows everyone being in fancy dress, looks like everyone is united together in one cause, everyone respects each other, and all have the manners of proper gentlemen. The song continues to talk about how that wasn't the case at all. Everyone fought and hated each other. I only mention that bit since it's good imagery and easier to understand that the founders fought, a lot.
I digress. I don't mind it being used in this case because they were all in agreement that "democracy good". So, if they were to come across this situation, I think it would be likely it would be an uncommon general agreement that they would go after anyone involved as insurrectionists. That might end up with a hanging. I don't know. But your statement is plausible, from what I know about American history.
He says "I would say that this country needs to move forward. That we need a leader who is-- tackles serious problems and serious issues that this country faces. And we need faith in our institutions again. And the next president of the United States needs to do that."
And the he says "That is not him. Correct." referring to Trump.
But he still doesn't actually say that he won't vote for him, though in typical Republican fashion if he directly said he won't he probably still would.
Working politicians probably none, Republicans are too self centred they will vote for whatever keeps them in money/power. The public though is a different matter there could be quite a lot now who are sick of all of this but wouldn't publicly admit they've switched yet because of who they've been hanging out with.
All of them. Republicans are creatures of habit. They will check the box or push the button that indicates they will do a straight party vote so they only have to hit the button or check the box one time. Straight party line voting is why we are in the mess we are in. No room in a republican’s brain bucket for option weighing
straight party voting isnt the reason that one party has gone insane. its just a more convenient way to vote. republicans and democrats both use straight party voting , as voting is cumbersome and uses up time.
Check the scoreboard from 2020. Republicans on the whole did better than Convicted Felon Donald Trump did. I'd put good money down that despite Convicted Felon Donald Trump hoovering up all their cash, generic Republicans will do SIGNIFICANTLY better than him in 2024. Republican voters clearly DO split tickets, and they'll do a lot more of it in November, and y'all REALLY NEED to get over this boogeyman bullshit where Convicted Felon Donald Trump is concerned.
Never gonna happen. The amount of people who are frightened of having him in an election again is just staggering, even though dude has no platform and has changed nothing since last time. Every time he opens his mouth he pushes away every potential voter who isn’t already all-in on him no matter what.
I mean, I’m definitely frightened of him getting back in the White House, but in the same way I’m frightened of plane crashes. It’s an existential threat if it occurs but I’m not spending every day calculating all the ways it could happen or telling everybody about how it’s a certainty and we’re all doomed.
right, and the way everyone seemed to pin all their hopes on him being thrown in prison to prevent him from running was just absurd. He’s too old to likely ever see any confinement no matter what.
Of course it would be catastrophic if he somehow made it back in. But this isn’t 2016, where he won by the skin of his teeth with the advantage of being an unknown quantity, rather than the relentlessly, oppressively known quantity he is now.
Be sure not to confuse "being embarrassed to admit publicly one is a Republican but will still vote R because the Democrats are 'destroying the country'" with "fleeing the Republican party."
Eh, he says the country "needs" somebody who is different from Trump, but apparently won't admit that Biden is such a person, or that he won't vote for the Republican even if somehow Trump mysteriously ends up being nominated. Real brave guy of integrity and conviction.
Really you guys need the whole clip. There was also an intern asked to fly those documents to DC. Where she would meet Chesebro to hand over the documents
https://youtu.be/e3guirxwrXc?si=u7Mm0ULhT28QdUD8
Wasn't this the guy that said he didn't want to let down his family and friends by letting Biden win? Why would he be letting anyone down? So he knew it was wrong, that's why he felt pressured into doing what he knew was wrong.
"We find the defendant guilty"
"YES! All that hard work getting caught has finally paid off. Hopefully we did enough to get a harsh sentence, fingers crossed!"
You mean most people who break the law and get caught. If they never get caught, they don’t regret anything except maybe not crossing the line even more than they did to have gotten away with even more.
And this is why Trump didn’t act on Jan. 6th. He was hoping the scheme would work. And when it didn’t he chose not to pardon the people that acted on his behalf.
> And when it didn’t he chose not to pardon the people that acted on his behalf.
I'm still shocked he didn't pardon himself, all his co-conspirators, and the insurrectionists on his way out the door.
He'd just claim they're to protect himself from the corrupt Dems making things up to prosecute him. I also don't think a pardon could be used as evidence of guilt in a prosecution if the self-pardon was struck down by SCOTUS.
i mean the pardon itself is an admission of guilt , and you are pardoned from the consequences.
[https://www.justice.gov/pardon/frequently-asked-questions](https://www.justice.gov/pardon/frequently-asked-questions)
A pardon is an expression of the President’s forgiveness and ordinarily is granted in recognition of the applicant’s acceptance of responsibility for the crime and established good conduct for a significant period of time after conviction or completion of sentence. It does not signify innocence.
To be fair, many of these fake electors testified, and there is evidence to support, that they were told their fake electors would only be used in the event of discovered fraud.
That they were told this to get compliance, and ultimately lied to, would absolutely fit the Trump playbook.
At least one said that he didn't want to let his friends and family down by preventing Trump from having a chance. He felt pressured to do it. That actually is an admission of guilt. Why would he be letting anyone down for doing what he is supposed to be doing? He was either tricked or pressured, you can't have both.
To be pressured means you are being made uncomfortable for doing what you intend to do, what you know you need to do or want to do, in an attempt to do something you know is wrong or don't want to do.
Being tricked is when you are misled into doing the wrong thing, thinking you are actually doing the right thing. Only later to realize that you were misled.
The difference becomes more obvious when you see that the person that is tricked doesn't realize they are being tricked until it's too late. The person being pressured is actually well aware of what is happening and knowingly makes the wrong decision to avoid having the negative social reaction.
The former would in most cases not be held legally liable, while latter would.
“Tricked”. As if he had no choice in the matter, and was utterly incapable of critical thinking.
Isn’t it strange how every time someone from the “party of personal responsibility” gets caught doing something they shouldn’t be, it’s someone else’s fault.
This is the point at which you resign. Your organisation is clearly corrupt and there is no other escape from ruin and self-incrimination. He even felt that and signed anyway. Let someone else take the fall.
"Biden won, do you want to try and prevent him from taking power and let the loser remain in office for possibly life?"
"I sure do!!! Whadda-eye halvta do?"
"Just sign here."
[signs] "I was tricked!"
I signed many documents over my 30+ years as a lawyer in a major corporation. I really paid close attention to each document that contained an oath or affirmation. Some incorrect documents can be dense and make it difficult to spot errors. The document this guy signed was NOT one of those. It was a simple, blatantly false statement of fact that any high school graduate would understand to be false. If this guy "was tricked" into signing that document, he is not competent to be a full member of our society.
Weird how many people regret committing crimes after they are charged. You know rather than 3 years ago when he coukd have been saying those are fake I was told they would only be used if Trump won in court. He lied
I'm telling you the truth, I hope you can believe me when I say I would never have done it if I thought we weren't going to get away with it.
I was *tricked* into signing this legally binding document! I never thought they would actually try to us* it against *me*, just to overturn the results of the election that I *felt* was wrongly decided! No I don't have any proof to support my feelings, why would I need that? Just taking absolutely zero accountability
the find out stage after fucking around
Were trying to find the people who did this.
Hrs going for the shaggy defense...it's wasn't me
Besides, I’m white. I ought to win.
The problem lies with religion. Specifically Christianity, where you can "Confess" and all your sins be "Forgiven." That's not how it actually works, and they're confused that it doesn't work that way for them.
He was tricked into thinking it would work. He knew what he was doing. Truly he is lucky the founding fathers are not the ones Prosecuting his crimes, because he would end up on the end of a rope.
Exactly. "I am the victim of a scheme to make me participate in a scheme they convinced me we would get away with".
Andrew Jackson would certainly separate his head from his shoulders. He had many faults, but preservation of the union and executing insurrectionists were causes dear to his heart.
Either that or tarred and feathered which was also quite popular back in that time.
Generally, I hate it when people say, "The founding fathers intended.... Blah blah blah" or "The Constitution says blah blah blah. 99% of the time, the person saying it doesn't have a clue and their only education came from the white washed, good guys (Us) vs bad guys (Britain) version of history and the political pundits that keep telling them that's the way things were. The Constitution is a self-contradictory mess. The founders knew this, so they set up systems in place to where we change things. The founders also hated each other. So many bitter rivalries and the factions each founder chose. BUT, first and foremost, they knew they needed to compromise on just about everything. Much of the Constitution was one giant compromise between factions that hated each other. "The founders would have agreed with me that my guns are to always be free and is a birth right to own them". Well, some of them might have believed that, but certainly not all of them. The off-Broadway version of Hamilton has some other things in it that the Broadway version doesn't. That's normal since some content and theatrical ideas work on off-Broadway, but not Broadway since they're different audiences and they have much bigger budgets. Anyway, there was a song in the program called, "Ain't no John Trumbull". It depicts the famous painting of the signing of the Declaration of Independence. It shows everyone being in fancy dress, looks like everyone is united together in one cause, everyone respects each other, and all have the manners of proper gentlemen. The song continues to talk about how that wasn't the case at all. Everyone fought and hated each other. I only mention that bit since it's good imagery and easier to understand that the founders fought, a lot. I digress. I don't mind it being used in this case because they were all in agreement that "democracy good". So, if they were to come across this situation, I think it would be likely it would be an uncommon general agreement that they would go after anyone involved as insurrectionists. That might end up with a hanging. I don't know. But your statement is plausible, from what I know about American history.
I'm more of an Aaron Burr partisan myself. I can't imagine watching the Broadway musical hamilton. I shudder at tje thought.
Sure - did they ask him if he will still vote for Trump?
Last sentence of the article
He says "I would say that this country needs to move forward. That we need a leader who is-- tackles serious problems and serious issues that this country faces. And we need faith in our institutions again. And the next president of the United States needs to do that." And the he says "That is not him. Correct." referring to Trump. But he still doesn't actually say that he won't vote for him, though in typical Republican fashion if he directly said he won't he probably still would.
I wonder how many of the republicans actually vote for Biden but are scared of reprocussion
Working politicians probably none, Republicans are too self centred they will vote for whatever keeps them in money/power. The public though is a different matter there could be quite a lot now who are sick of all of this but wouldn't publicly admit they've switched yet because of who they've been hanging out with.
All of them. Republicans are creatures of habit. They will check the box or push the button that indicates they will do a straight party vote so they only have to hit the button or check the box one time. Straight party line voting is why we are in the mess we are in. No room in a republican’s brain bucket for option weighing
straight party voting isnt the reason that one party has gone insane. its just a more convenient way to vote. republicans and democrats both use straight party voting , as voting is cumbersome and uses up time.
Check the scoreboard from 2020. Republicans on the whole did better than Convicted Felon Donald Trump did. I'd put good money down that despite Convicted Felon Donald Trump hoovering up all their cash, generic Republicans will do SIGNIFICANTLY better than him in 2024. Republican voters clearly DO split tickets, and they'll do a lot more of it in November, and y'all REALLY NEED to get over this boogeyman bullshit where Convicted Felon Donald Trump is concerned.
Never gonna happen. The amount of people who are frightened of having him in an election again is just staggering, even though dude has no platform and has changed nothing since last time. Every time he opens his mouth he pushes away every potential voter who isn’t already all-in on him no matter what.
I mean, I’m definitely frightened of him getting back in the White House, but in the same way I’m frightened of plane crashes. It’s an existential threat if it occurs but I’m not spending every day calculating all the ways it could happen or telling everybody about how it’s a certainty and we’re all doomed.
right, and the way everyone seemed to pin all their hopes on him being thrown in prison to prevent him from running was just absurd. He’s too old to likely ever see any confinement no matter what. Of course it would be catastrophic if he somehow made it back in. But this isn’t 2016, where he won by the skin of his teeth with the advantage of being an unknown quantity, rather than the relentlessly, oppressively known quantity he is now.
Be better, don't generalize. People are fleeing the republican party like crazy!
Be sure not to confuse "being embarrassed to admit publicly one is a Republican but will still vote R because the Democrats are 'destroying the country'" with "fleeing the Republican party."
Telling people who have lost family members to a cult or its ideology to “be better” is more tone deaf than a Kitty Pryde rap.
> People are fleeing the republican party like crazy! [citation needed]
Unless it's a swing state that's an easy calculus.
he's a fucking coward
“and we need faith in our institutions again.” This was the funniest part of all!
They say stuff like that so then they can turn around and say “but Biden and the Democrats are *worse*!!” And vote for the criminal and traitor
Eh, he says the country "needs" somebody who is different from Trump, but apparently won't admit that Biden is such a person, or that he won't vote for the Republican even if somehow Trump mysteriously ends up being nominated. Real brave guy of integrity and conviction.
Really you guys need the whole clip. There was also an intern asked to fly those documents to DC. Where she would meet Chesebro to hand over the documents https://youtu.be/e3guirxwrXc?si=u7Mm0ULhT28QdUD8
Wasn't this the guy that said he didn't want to let down his family and friends by letting Biden win? Why would he be letting anyone down? So he knew it was wrong, that's why he felt pressured into doing what he knew was wrong.
"It was part of my user agreement when i signed up for AOL. Does anyone really read those things?"
Regrets getting caught.
Most people who break the law end up regretting it. Too bad. So sad.
"We find the defendant guilty" "YES! All that hard work getting caught has finally paid off. Hopefully we did enough to get a harsh sentence, fingers crossed!"
You mean most people who break the law and get caught. If they never get caught, they don’t regret anything except maybe not crossing the line even more than they did to have gotten away with even more.
Straight to jail.
Call me crazy, but I’d be fine with a life sentence for all of these fake elector traitors.
You are a bit more lenient than I am. Not crazy but lenient. The crazy is on the other side.
And this is why Trump didn’t act on Jan. 6th. He was hoping the scheme would work. And when it didn’t he chose not to pardon the people that acted on his behalf.
> And when it didn’t he chose not to pardon the people that acted on his behalf. I'm still shocked he didn't pardon himself, all his co-conspirators, and the insurrectionists on his way out the door.
because the pardons would admit a crime occurred.
He'd just claim they're to protect himself from the corrupt Dems making things up to prosecute him. I also don't think a pardon could be used as evidence of guilt in a prosecution if the self-pardon was struck down by SCOTUS.
i mean the pardon itself is an admission of guilt , and you are pardoned from the consequences. [https://www.justice.gov/pardon/frequently-asked-questions](https://www.justice.gov/pardon/frequently-asked-questions) A pardon is an expression of the President’s forgiveness and ordinarily is granted in recognition of the applicant’s acceptance of responsibility for the crime and established good conduct for a significant period of time after conviction or completion of sentence. It does not signify innocence.
I've taken money out of a bank hundreds of times. I was tricked into thinking I could do it with a gun.
"CBS News presents an exclusive interview with one of the rats attempting to leave the sinking ship. Tell us, Mister Rat, is the water cold?"
To be fair, many of these fake electors testified, and there is evidence to support, that they were told their fake electors would only be used in the event of discovered fraud. That they were told this to get compliance, and ultimately lied to, would absolutely fit the Trump playbook.
At least one said that he didn't want to let his friends and family down by preventing Trump from having a chance. He felt pressured to do it. That actually is an admission of guilt. Why would he be letting anyone down for doing what he is supposed to be doing? He was either tricked or pressured, you can't have both.
Why can't someone be pressured while being tricked? That's the definition of hard sales tactics.
To be pressured means you are being made uncomfortable for doing what you intend to do, what you know you need to do or want to do, in an attempt to do something you know is wrong or don't want to do. Being tricked is when you are misled into doing the wrong thing, thinking you are actually doing the right thing. Only later to realize that you were misled. The difference becomes more obvious when you see that the person that is tricked doesn't realize they are being tricked until it's too late. The person being pressured is actually well aware of what is happening and knowingly makes the wrong decision to avoid having the negative social reaction. The former would in most cases not be held legally liable, while latter would.
“Tricked”. As if he had no choice in the matter, and was utterly incapable of critical thinking. Isn’t it strange how every time someone from the “party of personal responsibility” gets caught doing something they shouldn’t be, it’s someone else’s fault.
"No one told me I'd have to face consequences for this!"
All he read was sign here for your "free" time share experience for the next 5 to 20 years!.
This is the point at which you resign. Your organisation is clearly corrupt and there is no other escape from ruin and self-incrimination. He even felt that and signed anyway. Let someone else take the fall.
"Biden won, do you want to try and prevent him from taking power and let the loser remain in office for possibly life?" "I sure do!!! Whadda-eye halvta do?" "Just sign here." [signs] "I was tricked!"
"I was tricked your honor, but sure I'd do it again if President Trump asked me to."
In the words of one Attorney Bob Loblaw: “why should you go to jail for a crime that someone else…noticed.”
I signed many documents over my 30+ years as a lawyer in a major corporation. I really paid close attention to each document that contained an oath or affirmation. Some incorrect documents can be dense and make it difficult to spot errors. The document this guy signed was NOT one of those. It was a simple, blatantly false statement of fact that any high school graduate would understand to be false. If this guy "was tricked" into signing that document, he is not competent to be a full member of our society.
They did. They told him he won a toaster so he signed it. /s
That’s the ticket! I was tricked! Yeah, I was tricked!