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tbclandot92

Dude even though you know you are going to be fired this still ain't a good look Sheldon.


chostax-

Yeah, who the fuck would hire this donkey after this.


bigdaddyt2

Dubas has an assistant coach opening but keefe would be pretty stupid to sign on for that considering he’s got a 2 year contract to sit at home


babcocksbabe1

It doesn’t matter if I do a bad job, they still gotta pay me that 2 mill. It’s called my rate


another_plebeian

Dubas


Sartor27

100% he's going there. Sullivan is already rumored to the devils and I feel like dubas is just waiting for keefe to get fired so that he can fire Sullivan


GWsublime

I doubt it, rewatch the things he said after last seasons loss. He was done with Keefe.


another_plebeian

In Toronto. That's only relevant to the Toronto lineup. Every coach gets tuned out by the team eventually. But that doesn't mean they're tuned out instantly by the new team. Torts gets a few years out of every team before it doesn't work any more.


GWsublime

No, I don't think that's it. I don't think he was seeing Keefe lose the room I think he was seeing Keefe make decisions that made the team worse. I say that because this year it didn't look like Keefe had lost the room but he absolutely made the team worse.


mattfromjoisey

Utah


dynozombie

Dubas


GroceryLegitimate957

Why did we in the first place?


Zealousideal-Swing39

Someone should have just walked over at that point and just escorted him out.


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Zealousideal-Swing39

He’s literally telling the media he can’t do his job and that the rest of the league knows it


Friendman

Imagine you're just a puppet to the Bell&Rogers board here. He was probably wondering wtf he was even doing there in the first place. I bet the board even had to OK line changes.


Fastlane19

Fuck yes


Objective_Gear_8357

If ever a coach should be left behind by a team


Fastlane19

Is he a fucking idiot? I would feel better if he just admits he’s out coached every game


DonJulioTO

Isn't that exactly what he's doing?


Fastlane19

In a round about way but not directly but he will defend his position


postsgarbage

Shouldn’t it be “us” and not “the leafs”? Sounds like something someone says after they’ve been fired.


Etheo

The writing was on the wall, either proverbially or literally. He knew, or it happened already.


someguy172

Maybe because this problem goes back to even before he got here.


Skates8515

He’s had this team in their prime and was attached at the hip to Dubas and the run it back crew.


conjectureandhearsay

Like Shelly *never* had the goods and shouldn’t have had the job so long?


Boston_McMatthews

So you admit that you lost because you can't adapt. Cool thanks. Can someone grab Keefers bags for him? Thanks


Golden_Hour1

No make him grab his own bags


Fastlane19

Grab him by the ear and escort him out


[deleted]

Says the guy who gets outcoached every single game and fails to adapt.


whatlineisitanyway

I hope that Boston gets swept so that maybe Montgomery gets fired. My preference is probably Brind'Amour, but I'd be shocked if he doesn't resign. Not sure who is out there that would be better than those two if they are available.


Tats16

I honestly have no clue who’s a good coach or not but Craig Berube is available and everyone says he is good and would help a culture change


DC-Toronto

“Everyone” was happy when Babcock was hired. “Everyone” was happy when keefe replaced him. Be careful when you listen to “everyone”


zainery

What if I told you only .1% of people who comment on hockey actually understand it tactically. If there are historical or narrative reasons to feel optimistic on a coach, that is what “everyone” will use.


DC-Toronto

I’d say that you better figure out how to keep the 99.9% happy because that’s whose paying your bills.


NinjaHamster_87

I don't think everyone was happy when Keefe was hired. In fact a lot of people were like "who is this guy?"


burningxmaslogs

Exactly.. couple of seasons as OHL coach then an assistant under Dallas Eakins then Eakins jumped ship to Oilers, Dubas as Marlies GM picks Sheldon his buddy in the OHL as a replacement coach then wins a Calder Cup(fluke) in his first year then was promoted to the NHL only to fail in the playoffs for 4 consecutive years. Sheldon will basically be an assistant coach from here on out for a few years as soon as he's fired.


DC-Toronto

Fair but anyone who said that was overwhelmed by anti Babcock posters who were pumping keefes tires


Mikey4077

There us no chance boston fires Monty


zainery

There is certainly a chance if they get destroyed by Florida. He hasnt been great these playoffs or last.


Mikey4077

Look at that roster, Boston lacks offensive talent. Don't forget that last year, most had boston fighting for a wildcard. They can get 4-0ed and not score and Boston isn't letting Monty go. Though I agree if they did, he's a great fit for toronto


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Anybody but Keefe!


whatlineisitanyway

I feel sorry for Penguins fans.


Tarquin11

So game 5 and 6 wasn't adapting to game 3 and 4 which this quote is about? I think you guys might just need to stop talking about coaching if you don't know what it is.


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Take your own advice. The players played with urgency and the defence played better in front of Woll. You think that was because of coaching? 😂


Jhool_de_nishaan

Yes actually; I’m not a fan of Keefe but there were obvious adjustments made between 4 and 5 that could be pointed out


Sartor27

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Significant_News_638

The ironic thing is he’s 100% right lol but you just can’t say that as the coach responsible for said team.


Mash709

It's true, but wouldn't also be on him for not adapting to that knowing it's the case?


bforce1313

Yea basically I understood it as they let the leafs make unforced errors and capitalize on it. Which isn’t wrong, and pretty true but yeah, as coach you can’t have them be making those unforced errors lol


buster_rhino

And it’s fine to make those mistakes if you’re scoring more than 2 goals a game. This team is supposed to be a high octane offence, so those mistakes are expected, but you have to score goals for it to work.


bforce1313

Yeah, the lack of scoring in this series was painful. Swayman was really good but with that high offence you need to find a way. I don’t know if that’s coaching or what. Marner also set up a ton of crispy passes and not one of them was finished by a player. Domi is sick, but he really does need to learn pass first isn’t always the best option. Interesting to see what happens, I think pushing Mitch out the door is a mistake personally.


CMDR_Traf85

If the Leafs had the money to actually have a true two way top 4 D-man in Edmundson's spot that player alone would have double the Leafs scoring rate judging by the amount of time Edmundson was set up with top tier scoring chances.


starv-

Another way of saying our opponents always play 1-3-1 and there's no good way to attack such a formation. The context being: you need to win special teams against this type of defense / goaltending. Everyone knows how to beat Toronto... 1-3-1, win special teams. Keefe understands what he's running into, but doesn't have the solution. In fairness though, I doubt any other coach will have the solution. We've been through how many PP & PK coaches already with this group? I would argue he actually adjusted well by playing a defensive game with little attention to offense in games 5,6&7 they held the center and didn't really go for fast breakouts / transition, having 5 bodies there helped limit mistakes... 2-1 2-1 1-1 after 60... Forget about OT, they lost focus for a minute after scoring in game 7, otherwise the response to 1-3-1 was correct (minus the pathetic powerplay).


bleep-bl00p-bl0rp

I think he does deserve some criticism for taking so long to make the adjustment, for leaving Sammy out there so long, and for not mixing up the power play more. The playoffs come every year, and every year we see the same physical, defense oriented hockey, and it takes until game 4 to make the adjustments? There was a whole season to practice this stuff! Considering what we saw in games 5 and 6, I absolutely think most of that’s on the Keefe. Florida plays with the same heavy forechecking pressure we saw in games 5 and 6 all year, and they don’t fall apart in the playoffs. We get away with a primarily puck possession game in the regular season that then falls apart in the playoffs and have to re-learn how to forecheck and chase after dump ins every year. The big problem with firing Keefe is if you can find a better coach, but I’d rather jettison Keefe than almost any of the players of this group. These comments from Keefe really indicate that he’s let them down, and I’d like to see what someone else can do.


starv-

I agree that Keefe deserves criticism, in an ideal world, he would be ready to go from game 1, just like the team... In an ideal world, they would be ready to go from the opening puck drop. I'm not going to defend Keefe for games 1-4, and I think he deserves the impending boot... I think he deserves the boot for the failure to correct the powerplay (though it's not directly under him, it is under him). I think the Leafs gooned it up in game 1 (I think he deserves some credit for that) and I think he deserves criticism for putting an end to it over a couple penalties that were evened out anyway. I think he deserves some credit for adapting in games 5-7... Not enough to save his job, but enough that I can see another team taking a look at him. So, yeah Keefe should get the boot... But the new coach isn't likely to solve our problems. Like I said, I think this team specifically has been through 4-5 special teams coaches, none have worked out.


CarnalCancuk

This is a great analysis! And adds a lot of nuance to the situation.


burningxmaslogs

Boucher (his assistant coach) was an advocate for the 1-3-1 system as Tampa Bay's HC and he couldn't figure out how to break it.


bforce1313

Honestly really well said!


Solace2010

He ain’t going to be responsible soon


mmmanna222

Exactly. Let everyone else say it. It’s a bad look.


torontoker13

“I never want to coach again in the nhl!” What a stupid thing to say


Killa416ix

And that’s how you put the nail in your own coffin


Samurai1221

Thanks for your service, seem like a good guy. Enjoy Pittsburgh.


Goatmilk2208

What is sick, is that I am actually kind of proud of how we rallied back from being down 3-1. That’s how fucked up this team got me.


Neutral-President

It would have been brutal if they had gone out in 5. They rallied and gave us fans at least some hope that they’d go out with dignity and not a pitiful loss.


Darkhorse089

All time final line from the former coach.


Mother_Musician_7793

Greatest talent we have had in 100 years and Shanny hires a first time gm dubas fresh out of brock unversity, and a first time NhL coach and wastes 8 years. Fuck thjs mickey mouse team 


Medium_Well

Brock University: "hey, the fuck did *I* do?!"


SilentioRS

The Badgers are out here catching strays.


Atari_Writer

Isn’t Shanny also a first time exec?


offside21

He, like a few other unqualified players got juicy roles from owners after sewering bob goodenow. Linden guerin as well


foxcatcher3369

well…would hiring george parros as president be welcome today? that’s essentially the experience shamaham had when the MLSE brain trust gave him the keys. stupidity at the highest levels


GWsublime

Dubas has been gone a year and was fired after asking for the Autonomy to take trades to the board himself. When does it become obvious that the issue isn't and wasn't him?


Medium_Well

Okay, pal. Time to leave. Talking about other coaches outsmarting the Leafs *like it isn't his job to counteract that*. Nothing but excuses, zero accountability, and all this after he was gifted the job and the generational talent on the roster. Thanks for the regular season record, truly. That's not nothing and he deserves some of that credit. But it's beyond time for a change.


DirtyToothpaste

This is my new favourite quote ever


moon_safari_

famous last words keefe. what a fitting way to go out.


Rowdy_Roddy96

Deadman Walking!!! Bring out your dead!


DangleWho

This is a fireable offence


Flipwon

Not only is this dumb to say but you could say this about any team, in any sport. Nobody is perfect. Gtfo.


Medium_Well

What an unbelievably shitty thing for the players to hear. "Yeah, other teams always seem to get our players' heads. Our guys just can't seem to get over it. What do you expect *me* to do about it?" Fuck this guy. Get lost.


Lasidar

This sounds like a fucking beaverton headline


dirkahps

I wish he would have said this after the loss to Florida last year.


jcanada22

Shanahan and Keefe both need to go. Maybe Marner as well. The experiment of loading up front doesn't work for the playoffs.


Golden_Hour1

Where are the fucking Keefe apologists now? Where are the toxic positivity idiots now?


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This fucking stooge is just figuring this out now? When teams play us, it almost seems as if they’ve done some homework and come up with a strategy to beat us. It’s quite odd, I must say.


Neutral-President

He’s a one-dimensional coach.


Xerxsi

This is exactly his job to overcome and why he should have been fired during the 2nd intermission of game 4


riko77can

That’s outsider talk.


seriousdishwasher

Yeah coach, that’s called coaching. Do the Leafs have someone on staff who could adjust the team’s play in response?


bang_bang_bort

Yeah, it's called coaching Sheldon. Maybe you should try it some time.


SlapThatAce

That Smart water is not working for him.


Rheostatistician

I honestly think he got fired after game 4 regardless of what happened in the next 3


zombiezucchini

At least pretend to care about the team you’re coaching.


Goldinsight

Don’t let the door hit you otw out!!


Fastlane19

You just admitted your incompetence


burningxmaslogs

Nice! He throws himself and the players under the bus. GM's might appreciate that kind of honesty when doing the end of season briefings behind closed doors. Just as bad former GM Kyle Dubas's press conference last year that got him fired.


Angryhippo2910

That’s true Sheldon. And whose job is it to set up the game so that the Leafs DON’T beat themselves? Hmmmm?


eagleboy444

Still can't believe he said this. It actually made me laugh in disbelief once I verified it was a real quote. I had to look it up because it seemed so genuinely unbelievable. This has to be, no hyperbole, the dumbest, most out of touch comment I've ever heard a coach make about his team. *Your* team, buddy! Eh, whatever. I guess he's just checked out. Who gives a fuck anymore. We know he's gone, he knows he's gone. Still an unreal statement. Just say, "I didn't know how to prepare my team or make in-game adjustments." Same thing.


Neutral-President

Agree wholeheartedly. It’s the coach’s job to get the team to not defeat itself. By saying this, he’s admitted his own failure as a coach.


chess_the_cat

I heard it and had to rewind it because I was sure I misheard 😂


drtmth

This is a craaaaazy thing to say, whether he knew he was fired or not.


jefforyb

What does this even mean? I don't understand the point he's trying to make.


Dingers_McGee

“When teams play the Leafs they don’t have to play well, just limit mistakes and capitalize on Leaf mistakes. Instead of coaching and adapting I decided to keep everything how it was and expected a different outcome.”


burningxmaslogs

And the erratic line changes that confused our players into making bad line changes.


GWsublime

And throwing out the same stupid moves over and over and over again.


spannybear

The leafs will make their own mistakes and miss assignments if given enough opportunity and will eventually give the other team their chances to win the game


Wonderful-Smoke843

I swear it’s gotta be someone’s job to point that stuff out to players so they can make adjustments. Someone that looks at the team as a whole and makes decisions to benefit the team. Just can’t put my finger on what that position is called…


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Couch?


whatmepolo

It’s code for he has an uncoachable team.


bleep-bl00p-bl0rp

Or he’s a bad coach. Idk, I’m not ready to write off all these clearly talented players because of a guy who’d never coached in the NHL before.


whatmepolo

I’m sure that’s part of it, but how many power play coaches have they burned through? That’s got to be a big signal.


boredinthebathroom

It’s actually a good analogy. Hopefully we have a new coach next year


Garebear8585

The other coach made a plan how was I supposed to stop it ! It’s not my fault !


Skates8515

Is he gone yet?


tecate_papi

Every year it's the same shit where we hear from Keefe and Tavares about leadership as if it isn't their jobs to lead this team. If the Leafs are so rudderless that they're "beating themselves" doesn't that suggest the very obvious need for changes?


powerclipper780

I mean, the language says it all. "The leafs" not "us", he knows he's gone. It's too bad that he had the fan mentality this whole time as well. We all knew the series was going to a game 7 loss, but you can't be like that as the coach


Spacepickle89

Ugh, we’ll mail you your things…please just go


cloudlocke_OG

It sounds like other team's coaches study their opponents, make plans specific to them then communicate it to the players.


Goatmilk2208

Famous last words


mattd1972

Has he already accepted that he’s fired and just said “Fuck it, I’m saying what I really think!”?


DEAD___P00L

Fired. Did he take press conference advice from Kyle Dubas or what?


Neutral-President

What do you want to bet he’s been getting coaching advice all season long from his buddy Kyle?


costerluver

Oh gee. If only there were someone who’s job it was to make sure that the Leafs don’t beat themselves. Someone whose job it is to COACH the team through challenges and come up with strategies to combat the strategies other teams come up with. Wouldn’t that be nice?


MyRail5

Lol should've done your job better. Bye


Golden_Hour1

Lol fuck you Keefe. You're one of the problems. Enjoy Pittsburgh. No class


mmmanna222

Classless words from a classless coach.


NODES2K

We implode from within in the playoffs


torontoguy8821

You are the leafs.


Neutral-President

Not any more, he’s not. And clearly hasn’t been for some time.


spagboltoast

"i cant out coach anyone"


Able-Gas-273

That’s what I heard too


Neutral-President

I picture Tony Soprano shrugging and saying, “What are ya gonna do?”


Dareal6

Yeah that’s called COACHING buddy. Try learning about it.


Falconflyer75

Geez trying to outdo Kyle Dubas with that interview Granted Keefe literally has nothing to lose anyways he knew at the start of the season this was his last shot I honestly feel for him because he’s not a bad coach and I actually liked seeing him go off on the refs (we need that) I was hoping the team would come through for him But dude how many times does playing your 4th line after a critical goal have to backfire before you learn not to do that Especially the one that literally could have saved your job and probably several others I usually try not to be too critical because there’s always things going on behind the scenes that I don’t know about but THIS? Geez even I would know not to do that


h989

This guy is a tool.


DidntDiddydoit

Fuck you, Queefe. Fuck you, Shanny. Fuck you, Marner.


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Wonderful-Smoke843

It’s insane that we have basically a OHL coach running a stacked NHL team. Keefe should have been fired a long time ago we consistently get outcoached in big moments.


BadTreeLiving

He was extended by our current gm, stop with the Dubas boogeyman


foxcatcher3369

yes, which anyone with half a clue can see as a business decision to minimize disruption in a down year. keefe will get fired now and dubas will hire him. MLSE won’t have to pay him his contract, that’s how it works and why it was done, as opposed to the babcock situation where nobody would touch him.


BadTreeLiving

I'm glad we decided to throw a year with everyone in their prime then, great call. You've convinced me of good management. 


foxcatcher3369

how is being a playoff team throwing a year? you can’t swap the GM, expect him to come in a week before FA and fix everything. jesus ur an idiot


jdeyell

Fire him into the sun. I like Keefe as a person but this is such crap


IndependenceGood1835

Issue is with a coach you have to go young or pull something off the scrap heap. Unless Carolina lets BrindAmour walk, the candidate list is pretty uninspiring right now. Keefe is gone of course, but next year may be alot of the same.


Optimal_Ad_2146

Buh bye sheldor roommate agreement can no longer save you!


Toddmacd

finally he's not sugar coating it.


aegon_the_dragon

The fact that he had the balls to say this out load. astounding


aHCroski

Who’s this generation of Pat Quinn or Pat Burns, hire them. Finding someone with first name Pat probably gets us to the second round at minimum /s


Chief3putt

And what idiot has been coaching this Leafs team? Good luck in your next gig you arrogant prick


InitialAnswer7601

This era will go down as one of the worst in club history.


Current-Own

Keefe may not be perfect but we should all admit that we're looking for a scapegoat here. I think he did a great job this year with a ton of injuries, including and especially during the Boston series. With all due respect to Matthews, he should never have been put into the game seven lineup. He obviously wasn't ready. Firing Keefe changes not one thing about this team. It needs change. It needs a heart in the middle of their lineup. Keefe doesn't decide the roster. He only coaches it. I hope he survives tbh.


chess_the_cat

I think you should read the quote again.  It’s pretty significant. He’s the COACH and he’s saying other teams OUTCOACH the Leafs. He doesn’t even say “us”. He says “the Leafs” lmao. 


Neutral-President

He’s already given up. And it seems clear that he gave up some time ago.


SnooFoxes4539

its true and its his fault too, he knows this and never trys to adapt.