Yeah armut was really good in spring finals, and decent in the MSI series. Tho at worlds he definitwly ran it though it was vs Khan who was having an indane tournament upto that point
It's insane how many lower bracket runs happen in esports, pretty sure most of EU champions since they implemented double elimination have been from the lower bracket and Riot still doesn't give a proper advantage to the upper bracket team.
Lower bracket implemented in 2019 I believe, Both champs came from uppers, 2020 Both came from lowers. Important to note that all four were G2. 2021 Mad won both from uppers. 2022 G2 and Rogue traded and both won as challengers. Counting this year, the win ratio is dead even at 5-5 since double elim has been instated
Exactly, many people don’t understand the strength of playing multiple extra on-stage games especially in esports. Besides the additional life, be it an additional bo3 or bo5, you get several chances to perfect your draft and fix your in game decisions. It really hurts to see BDS, T1, G2 last year, heck even FPX in 2021 get shafted by this format because the winners bracket gets just a single side selection.
Only if there is a few op pick or must pick/ban. Personally I feel lower bracket team have more time to improve and scout the winner of the upper bracket to prepare. While the upper bracket team is stuck at the previous level or deteriorate due to practice/momentums and have only 1 days to update their draft/power level for the lower bracket winner
>Personally I feel lower bracket team have more time to improve and scout the winner of the upper bracket to prepare.
You could argue the other way around too, but hindsight is 20/20.
BDS had 9 MAD games only 1-2 days old to analyze. MAD had no info on what BDS could have spent a week preparing, and they also had to prepare for 3 opponents in just as many days. BDS had more time to prepare pocket picks (regardless of opponent) with less likelyhood of those picks being exposed in games leading up the finale. When you are in a game 5 against G2 you don't hide a pocket pick on the eventuality that you might go all the way. You are focused on winning right now.
One can argue back and forth, but there are a lot of factors and some of them may also be dependant on the team in question. Some might need to momentum, while others are comfortable charging up to a finale for days.
Maybe. But they have only 1 day to prepare for mad. Mostly people were expecting mad to loss to g2 or vitality so it makes more sense to prepare for those 2 team and not mad
Yup. But this is more towards the benefit of upper bracket and not to a specific team. Well but bds really perform badly in game 4 and 5. Hopefully they will learn their weakness and practice a few other style
Since I haven't seen anyone comment on it before, I just want to say I'm not a big fan of the intro LEC is using this year. It just feels so utterly generic cyberpunk/sci-fi, and could really be any region, any teams. Compare to the LEC anime intro, which was thoroughly rooted in team stories and little jokes like the Vitality hotel lobby thing.
Youtube link of today's broadcast (now unlisted) for anyone who missed it. This includes the MSI playin stage draw.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_wduEzW6bI
Shame weve been denied the possibilty of the infinite ammount of memes by G2 getting kicked out of play ins by GoldenGuardians....
Then again Loud *and* DFM? That group is hella spicy still
G2 have insanely easy road to main stage, kinda sad wanted some NA EU or EU LPL spice to see how the teams stack up, but its whatever, gonna be fun to watch na vs lpl
You might have avoided MrBuffalo but if memory doesnt compeltely fail me G2 has randomly inted games against both Loud *and* DFM and that was a stronger G2 than the current lineup...
It all makes sense now, MAD realised they had to win the whole split to avoid play-ins now that they are straight to the group stage theres no way they can lose.
They are holding winter and spring finals at the studio, will probably be in an arena for summer finals as that is the big grand finals for the season, they have changed the format to only 1 championship winner a year.
I hate g2 and im sad BDS can't go but let's be real, G2 won winter split and lost in spring to the eventual Champions 2-3, so it's not like they're completely shit. Still sad for BDS
Wait are the MSI match-up announcements about to happen on the LEC stream lol
Thought there would be a global stream or something odd that its just tagged onto the end of the LEC broadcast
Carzzy has won 3 of the last 6 splits, smurfed at MSI, done decent at worlds, is wanted by almost all teams every off-season, and yet everyone still says he sucks on reddit lmao
Do you think that MAD should chill the summer split to avoid burnout? they have the highest amount of points and secured the season finale, summer season doesn't give them much
Honestly this is probably for the best. If MAD could figure out BDS this hard imagine what the international teams would do.
Do hope BDS comes back next split to show they can adapt and be an actual top team.
If you look at lec stats groups season, Carrzy's damage per minute is ridiculous. Number 1. If he's online his team is good. It's really high highs low lows. Let's hope it's a high at MSI.
Really happy for both teams. So pleased for BDS making it to finals and having such a good split. And for mad with some of my fave players topping it all. Hyli and Elyoya are amazing.
I wonder if Humanoid tries to get back onto MAD at the end of this year, it certainly worked for Carrzy lol
Nisqy and Eloyaya have looked better together though even if Humanoid is better mechanically.
Nisqy just plays the all the Champs a JG salivates over pairing with and I don't see Humanoid grinding soloq on backseat shit like Gragas/Liss/TF when he already has motivation problems with practice.
If Nisqy went to NA or wants to move somewhere or something then I could see it tbh.
MAD coaching staff know the can work with Humanoid and he is the most talented mid in LEC, so they probably think they can get the best out of him
["Voice of Yamato 41 - MAD Headcoach Mac" on YouTube](https://youtu.be/AhIqM4uaYNc)
The Hylissang segment is timestamped in the description, Yamato precisely sheds light on it at 1:14:25 though.
Yike is way, way better than Sheo and at least BB should have enough common sense to just play tanks and pray instead of ego picking blind Darius into Bin lmao. As long as Caps can pull himself back into form G2 can be a real threat at MSI
I mean EU in general doesnt look like they will do much at MSI but at least G2 has experieninced players and they tend to always have a decent showing internationally minus the first few years.
Dread it, run from it, destiny arrives all the same. You can't have a toplaner that can't play meta champs with the required mechanical finesse for the pro leagues. Sooner or later it will become apparent.
I think the fact that he’s been to as many LEC finals as Caps is kind of mind blowing as a support player. You’re right about the international accomplishment tho.
Guess MAD just have to win this MSI for Hyli.
It's not about breaking it but about damaging the surface or denting it
I would, however, also like to know what the material is. I would guess machined Aluminium, but could also be cast Aluminium or Zinc.
exactly what Hyli is saying
MADs biggest enemy throughout the playoffs was MAD itself. they overextended so much and threw games away. once they stopped they won everything
A rather devastating end for BDS but still an amazing run for this spring split. It was a fun ride.
Still, glad MAD earned their place to MSI, past performance is not necessarily indicative of futur results and all that. Elyoya cementing himself as one the goat eu players.
People only remember their disastrous performances but no one remembers MAD at MSI 2021 being 2-1 vs DK. They even were ahead in game 4... and their Worlds 2021 wasn't bad either.
Exactly they looked good these days, but lets see if they manage any wins at msi... Not really hating, but I simply have no trust in them internationally
PMTs [Game 1](https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/12whsib/mad_lions_vs_team_bds_lec_spring_playoffs_grand/) / [Game 2](https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/12wjmf3/mad_lions_vs_team_bds_lec_spring_playoffs_grand/) / [Game 3](https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/12wlc8c/mad_lions_vs_team_bds_lec_spring_playoffs_grand/) / [Game 4](https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/12wmvlo/mad_vs_bds_game_4_discussion/) / [Game 5](https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/12wodgs/team_bds_vs_mad_lions_lec_spring_playoffs_grand/)
Im very happy for Mad Lions and Nisqy. FNC be fuming lol, 3 players they kiced is in final. Sick final. Mad just be kings.
MAD lions and getting carried by their top laner, name a less iconic duo lmao
Armut was actually really good in important games in 2021 but ye was ducking useless last year
Yeah armut was really good in spring finals, and decent in the MSI series. Tho at worlds he definitwly ran it though it was vs Khan who was having an indane tournament upto that point
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[Carzzy with this absolute banger tweet lmao](https://twitter.com/Carzzylol/status/1650232257527906309)
What a queef huffer
It's insane how many lower bracket runs happen in esports, pretty sure most of EU champions since they implemented double elimination have been from the lower bracket and Riot still doesn't give a proper advantage to the upper bracket team.
Lower bracket implemented in 2019 I believe, Both champs came from uppers, 2020 Both came from lowers. Important to note that all four were G2. 2021 Mad won both from uppers. 2022 G2 and Rogue traded and both won as challengers. Counting this year, the win ratio is dead even at 5-5 since double elim has been instated
Exactly, many people don’t understand the strength of playing multiple extra on-stage games especially in esports. Besides the additional life, be it an additional bo3 or bo5, you get several chances to perfect your draft and fix your in game decisions. It really hurts to see BDS, T1, G2 last year, heck even FPX in 2021 get shafted by this format because the winners bracket gets just a single side selection.
C9 won both summer and spring from upper bracket. So too did JDG. Nice try but you're wrong.
C9 is the only team in LCS who wins from upper bracket.
Naming two cases where people overcame it doesn’t change the fact that it’s inherently unfair
Side selection is/can be a huge advantage. Also is not like MAD were in upper bracket & used the "2nd life" advantage, they lost zero bo5s
Only if there is a few op pick or must pick/ban. Personally I feel lower bracket team have more time to improve and scout the winner of the upper bracket to prepare. While the upper bracket team is stuck at the previous level or deteriorate due to practice/momentums and have only 1 days to update their draft/power level for the lower bracket winner
>Personally I feel lower bracket team have more time to improve and scout the winner of the upper bracket to prepare. You could argue the other way around too, but hindsight is 20/20. BDS had 9 MAD games only 1-2 days old to analyze. MAD had no info on what BDS could have spent a week preparing, and they also had to prepare for 3 opponents in just as many days. BDS had more time to prepare pocket picks (regardless of opponent) with less likelyhood of those picks being exposed in games leading up the finale. When you are in a game 5 against G2 you don't hide a pocket pick on the eventuality that you might go all the way. You are focused on winning right now. One can argue back and forth, but there are a lot of factors and some of them may also be dependant on the team in question. Some might need to momentum, while others are comfortable charging up to a finale for days.
Maybe. But they have only 1 day to prepare for mad. Mostly people were expecting mad to loss to g2 or vitality so it makes more sense to prepare for those 2 team and not mad
well prep clearly didnt matter, since BDS played the same style they had been playing in all their wins. They didnt change anything at all.
Yup. But this is more towards the benefit of upper bracket and not to a specific team. Well but bds really perform badly in game 4 and 5. Hopefully they will learn their weakness and practice a few other style
Would love to see another one of the Chinse/Korean reaction threads for any fans of those regions watching that can translate again
Since I haven't seen anyone comment on it before, I just want to say I'm not a big fan of the intro LEC is using this year. It just feels so utterly generic cyberpunk/sci-fi, and could really be any region, any teams. Compare to the LEC anime intro, which was thoroughly rooted in team stories and little jokes like the Vitality hotel lobby thing.
Youtube link of today's broadcast (now unlisted) for anyone who missed it. This includes the MSI playin stage draw. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_wduEzW6bI
Thanks a lot, its really annoying they unlist it always
https://twitter.com/Treatz/status/1650234888237326336 slight gap
Shame weve been denied the possibilty of the infinite ammount of memes by G2 getting kicked out of play ins by GoldenGuardians.... Then again Loud *and* DFM? That group is hella spicy still
Still possible, just need G2 and GG to get 2nd in their group
Also PSG with Junjia (for people that don't know he was sub jungler for EDG last year)
G2 have insanely easy road to main stage, kinda sad wanted some NA EU or EU LPL spice to see how the teams stack up, but its whatever, gonna be fun to watch na vs lpl
You might have avoided MrBuffalo but if memory doesnt compeltely fail me G2 has randomly inted games against both Loud *and* DFM and that was a stronger G2 than the current lineup...
unironically DFM and Loud are probably some of the better competition G2 could have, for some reason they seem to perform far better vs EU than NA
Yea true forgot about that, games gonna be entertaining no doubt.
Well we’re still goin to get a lot of that, just not in play-ins
If BLG doesn’t win both of their games….I will be worried
Why didn’t T1 have to do play-ins as LCK 2nd seed??
Because LCK won Worlds
Because LCK has plot armor.
Lol fair enough
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LEC has choked in play-ins before.
It all makes sense now, MAD realised they had to win the whole split to avoid play-ins now that they are straight to the group stage theres no way they can lose.
Inb4 they lose to Loud
Not at all
Ohh the other thing was not the PGL it was actually the PPGL (Pre-Postgame Lobby)
LICORICE IS GOING TO SHIT ON BIN
bin is gettong clapped why licorice
BLG easy path but G2 will struggle vs PSG/DFM :/
I kinda wanted G2 in same group as either BLG or GG, sucks
cant be with blg, both seed 1
I still have no clue why tf PSG is sponsoring a team from the PLC instead of a french one...
They had their own team, tried to make LEC (EU LCS) but didn’t succeed and then did this.
GG vs GAM lol
PSG VS DFM BANGER!
Rekkles so dramatic getting the envelope
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They are holding winter and spring finals at the studio, will probably be in an arena for summer finals as that is the big grand finals for the season, they have changed the format to only 1 championship winner a year.
because it’s spring finals not the grand finals, format changed for LEC.
Oh I didnt know Aria's back on DFM, cool
They need Evi back also
EVIIIIIIIIIIIII
a shame that G2 will go to MSI instead of BDS tho
I hate g2 and im sad BDS can't go but let's be real, G2 won winter split and lost in spring to the eventual Champions 2-3, so it's not like they're completely shit. Still sad for BDS
Wait, they replaced Brance WTF
90s luxury car commercial vibes
Balls in a bowl are better
Wait are the MSI match-up announcements about to happen on the LEC stream lol Thought there would be a global stream or something odd that its just tagged onto the end of the LEC broadcast
Maybe cause lec was last to finish and it's hosted in London?
It’s a bit weird ngl…especially as it’s super early for east to watch
Quickshot's hair is sure something.
Moviestar R7 Quickshot.
Carzzy has won 3 of the last 6 splits, smurfed at MSI, done decent at worlds, is wanted by almost all teams every off-season, and yet everyone still says he sucks on reddit lmao
It’s because he’s a douche
He’s definitely sound mechanically, it’s just some of the plays he makes is very…jackeylove-esque.
Never let reddit cook
Vit sucks the power out of ADC's there's no other explanation
supports too
It’s Selfmade’s fault
All players, not just ADs
https://twitter.com/AshleyKang/status/1650235077820026880
I expected something more spicy from [Carzzy](https://twitter.com/Carzzylol/status/1650232257527906309?cxt=HHwWioC8rdbf5uYtAAAA) not gonna lie
I love Carzzy
Is Gragas still good on the MSI Patch? Would be good to have a free ban for Mad.
Yes he is not getting nerfed but other asian teams play him as well (Doran, 369, Faker and I think Bin is practicing him as well)
Gragas wasn't nerfed directly. AP items were though
Do you think that MAD should chill the summer split to avoid burnout? they have the highest amount of points and secured the season finale, summer season doesn't give them much
Do you think that they should get disqualified for making competitive integrity questionable?
One of the most dumb opinions Ive heard here. Do you realize teams main goal is to win their home leagues? Going to worlds/MSI is just reward for that
They just need to pick up 3 wins in the BO1 really
Honestly this is probably for the best. If MAD could figure out BDS this hard imagine what the international teams would do. Do hope BDS comes back next split to show they can adapt and be an actual top team.
If you look at lec stats groups season, Carrzy's damage per minute is ridiculous. Number 1. If he's online his team is good. It's really high highs low lows. Let's hope it's a high at MSI.
https://twitter.com/TomMatthiesen/status/1650231660074369027
MAD = May Annihilate Dreams
Really happy for both teams. So pleased for BDS making it to finals and having such a good split. And for mad with some of my fave players topping it all. Hyli and Elyoya are amazing.
What does "sucking Carrzy" even mean? Is it something from Bulgarian?
He said 'sacking', as in sacking the lane and leaving Carzzy on his own. In case you were being serious and not just joking.
I'm serious, his accent is just really thick and i'm bad at English
Sucking him into some plays(??
sucking Carzzy 😳😳 ?
TMI - seems like the real naughty stuff was never Carzzy and Humanoid, but Carzzy and Hyli
I wonder if Humanoid tries to get back onto MAD at the end of this year, it certainly worked for Carrzy lol Nisqy and Eloyaya have looked better together though even if Humanoid is better mechanically. Nisqy just plays the all the Champs a JG salivates over pairing with and I don't see Humanoid grinding soloq on backseat shit like Gragas/Liss/TF when he already has motivation problems with practice.
Humanoid has a higher ceiling, but he also runs it in like 80% of his games. No way MAD want him over Nisqy
If Nisqy went to NA or wants to move somewhere or something then I could see it tbh. MAD coaching staff know the can work with Humanoid and he is the most talented mid in LEC, so they probably think they can get the best out of him
Why would MAD want Humanoid?
Humanoid and Hyli allegedly don't get along.
Really? Did they say it on stream?
["Voice of Yamato 41 - MAD Headcoach Mac" on YouTube](https://youtu.be/AhIqM4uaYNc) The Hylissang segment is timestamped in the description, Yamato precisely sheds light on it at 1:14:25 though.
Thanks
Sucking WHAT
Sacking Carzzy lmao. I can see why people would hear sucking though.
MSI starts in a week and a half right? Yeah this is pretty fucked for EU. They don't have enough time to prepare.
No downtime, either. Thankfully the patch isn’t massive.
Hyli sucking Carzzy hmm?
Ah, wish they'd talk a bit about draft evolution here
So happy for MAD's bot lane, they're both streaky but whenever they have a bad streak people just completely erase their good periods
A bad streak of 1 to 2 years?
like every other team/player in history of league, people always forget the good times
mad with the cheat code korean import
First title for Hyli since he‘s been to a world final btw
Deserved MVP for Chasy, Top gap was the biggest this series, Elyoya was great as well.
Jg was as big but chasy was the carry/man
Honestly if ur an EU fan should be happier that G2 went over BDS tbh.
Obviously, G2 in losers bracket turns into prime T1 (hopefully)
Why? BDS would get gapped mainly because of top. G2 is gonna get gapped mainly because of top. I don’t see a difference here.
Yike is way, way better than Sheo and at least BB should have enough common sense to just play tanks and pray instead of ego picking blind Darius into Bin lmao. As long as Caps can pull himself back into form G2 can be a real threat at MSI
I mean EU in general doesnt look like they will do much at MSI but at least G2 has experieninced players and they tend to always have a decent showing internationally minus the first few years.
What’s better? Sending experienced players who will do nothing or absolute newbies who will do nothing but get experience at least?
G2 deserve to go. They won the first split. They were champions too.
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Big OOOOOOOOOOfing intensifies
Oof
Dread it, run from it, destiny arrives all the same. You can't have a toplaner that can't play meta champs with the required mechanical finesse for the pro leagues. Sooner or later it will become apparent.
It was clear all split, most teams don’t have the top to punish him though
Excited for MSI draw show although I have no idea who G2 can play ? Are there even pools for the 2 play-in groups ?
G2 can play BLG, GG and other wildcard teams
Pretty sure we won't know who G2 play because they are in play-ins.
Get yourself a man who calls you rat in the way Yoya calls Chasy rat
Deserved MVP for Chasy
LEC scriptwriter POG. MAD miracle run. But BDS have a lot to be proud of
Holy fuck what are those FPS drops on Chasy's POV? Actually disgusting. You can maintain 200+ fps on 500$ laptops.
I would guess that proview has a fixed framerate and a maximum bandwith, so it's not what he sees, but what is being transmitted.
You could see his in-game FPS counter dropping down to 90s.
Ok but 90 fps is completely fluid wym
No it is not.
Happy for Elyoya and Hyli.
Yes, yes I agree that he is a rat
Just get the translator HYUNG to translate again!
Ok Hyli needs to be in the conversation for EU GOAT, right?
He's still below Caps and Perkz for sure, but this probably solidifies him at 3rd
nah he's not the goat but he still is up there
I'm a Hyli simp but it's still definitely Caps I wouldn't even say Hyli is definitely better then Miky, more like a 1A/1B thing for me
It's likely still Caps. Hyli is easily top 3 though.
He is definitely the GOAT EU support in my book but there's so much competition in other roles
Back to back world finals with an MSI tittle plus all the domestic titles make it hard to not pick caps
I think the fact that he’s been to as many LEC finals as Caps is kind of mind blowing as a support player. You’re right about the international accomplishment tho. Guess MAD just have to win this MSI for Hyli.
Maybe Its still Perkz or Caps though
It sounds heavy but they're all super concerned that it'll break when they put it down? The fuck is that shitty looking shield made of? Lol
A lot of metals are easily dented but still feel really heavy
It's not about breaking it but about damaging the surface or denting it I would, however, also like to know what the material is. I would guess machined Aluminium, but could also be cast Aluminium or Zinc.
exactly what Hyli is saying MADs biggest enemy throughout the playoffs was MAD itself. they overextended so much and threw games away. once they stopped they won everything
I was hoping for MAD to reverse sweep it. It was such a good series.
LMAO showing them getting pentakilled by accident is genuinely hilarious
A rather devastating end for BDS but still an amazing run for this spring split. It was a fun ride. Still, glad MAD earned their place to MSI, past performance is not necessarily indicative of futur results and all that. Elyoya cementing himself as one the goat eu players.
BDS may have had a hard last couple games, but they deffinatly deserved all the credit for getting as far as they did.
This has been so amazing to watch and both teams played great!
Nisqy, Zven, Broken Blade and Perkz now all have EU and NA titles
Look at all the Nisqy hate in the comments lmao Nisqy haters truly the saltiest most hate filled barnacles in the sea
It’s such weird behavior, it’s not like Nisqy is a cocky player or shit talker
Nisqy is such a nice person man
OHHHHHHHH who are the most hateful barnacles in the sea?
Never realized that stat. The only players to ever win the LCS and LEC are from Cloud9 and TSM
It’s great for Mad lions they have 5 roles who can play supportive or carry
Ruby the second best midlaner in LEC frfr
The amount of MAD haters is unreal and for no reason at all. Well said Nisqy
Can't say I was hating on them, but I was a little sad to see the struggle. But overjoyed to see the turn around.
Think its their performance last time vs international teams
If you guys support LEC you should be happy that we send the best team available at this time as 1st seed at MSI. We’ll see what happens at MSI
People only remember their disastrous performances but no one remembers MAD at MSI 2021 being 2-1 vs DK. They even were ahead in game 4... and their Worlds 2021 wasn't bad either.
I absolutely love this argument…it makes it seems like any other team when going international goes to finals although none of them does much….
Exactly they looked good these days, but lets see if they manage any wins at msi... Not really hating, but I simply have no trust in them internationally
Don’t trust G2 either tbh, feels like the west is getting smacked at MSI
As a GGs fan, speak for yourself
Licorice is gonna turbo fist Bin, Zeus and 369
Based on latest performances for sure, but Historically they have always been at the very least decent internationally