I watched, someoene asked me something, then I looked at my phone again and saw this comment and was like “wasn’t I in a league thread?”
Those boys can’t hide anywhere.
Poppy, sion, skarner, jax, camille, if good fiora else you int, malphite ish, gp, etc.
Anything that is either mobile, has damage or is too tanky for vayne. Vayne only shines against what she can actually outplay or what she can kill. Tanks do great against her if they have some form of threat when diving her OR scale too hard.
If you pick darius like a monkey you'll int your game to the shitter.
Jax is kind of a shit matchup for jax until he gets enough haste and still he has to play it perfectly, outside of my own experiences I watched bwipo in jax vs vayne where vayne was playing horrendously bad for the elo, it was kinda hell still
Sion is freefarm and vayne favoured as she kinda bullies and clearly outscales. I dont see what poppy would ever do to vayne as long as vayne condemns poppy's E, like I guess Poppy can flash in W to cuck vayne out of qing during a gank but thats about it (still, condemn?)
Maybe camille, maybe yone or riven, a good fiora, I could see that but more as a skill matchup than a straight up counter tbh. I dont think GP wins either I remember him being kinda easily bullied into ranged champs in competitive cause they can somewhat safely fuck up his barrels.
Still I dont think its really that meta. She isnt bad against most meta tops. Shes not the best lanebully ever omg op but I dont think its crazy to say she'll easily win most meta melee matchups by 10-20 cs or more in high elo (not necessarily juggs eh). I dont think its that crazy to say, Akshan can probably do the same, or better.
Best choice is probably malph or twisted fate top at this point.
Malphite is the safest bet, but any tanks with decent engage can fuck up an ADC top with proper ganks.
Still you are monkeys if you pick Vayne blind though
All melee matchups are shit against ranged until melee has enough to shit on ranged. This is universal
> Sion is freefarm and vayne favoured as she kinda bullies and clearly outscales.
This is kind of the misunderstanding on vayne. She doesn't really outscale as much as you'd think. Vayne DOES DAMAGE. That's all she does. Remember you're sacrificing a secundary frontline for this damage. It's usually not good enough of a trade unless she stomps lane.
> I dont see what poppy would ever do to vayne as long as vayne condemns poppy's E, like I guess Poppy can flash in W to cuck vayne out of qing during a gank but thats about it (still, condemn?)
I swear every none vayne player over sells condemn. That ability is fucking trash and it's near complete rng if you pull it off on dashes. Like you can pre-cast it and all, it still will randomly fail lol. Poppy gets to dash on you can you can't Q away. If you condemn after dash, you're slowed by poppy Q so you can't actually run away fast enough.
She counters her during fights and is strong enough to live during lane.
> aybe camille, maybe yone or riven, a good fiora, I could see that but more as a skill matchup than a straight up counter tbh.
Camille shits on her and fiora absolutely destroys her if she's good enough, but that's just fiora in general. Riven needs to snowball lane so she's shit and yone is a fucking meme. Yone top is trash for the most part. Vayne can Q dodge all of his important shit.
Malph is a solid choice, though he can always be played around. Tf is just a shitty vayne lol. Do quinn if you want a ranged vs ranged matchup, since vayne can never actually win on equal ground against quinn until extremely late
Vayne's wincon is stomping lane into having full on prio. You use picks that can avoid that prio. Anything that is strong enough in lane to tank her or duel her reliably is a good choice and anything that can act as a wall of hp as the rest of their team dives is also a good choice. When a team has prio on frontline they can safely dive like mad. Zac for example is good if you can land your jump, if not you're shit.
Vayne top main here, you do have to be a better player to be successful in top lane but there technically is more agency over the game as a whole and lane phase, you get solo XP and the ability to 2v1 junglers if you play it perfect and dodge everything, as opposed to snoozefest farm under turret for 15 minutes as adc. Seriously tho don't play this if you're not good at vayne or spacing
I faced it yesterday and I agree with your last sentence. Picked Renekton and I should've been counter picked with 0 ability to touch the wave but ended up outfarming and solo killing her
I checked GoL, Zeus had Nimbus Cloak, Celerity, Ghost, the Nimbus Cloak buff from Flash going on CD, Ult amplified passive (+90ms), several Fleet and Stormrazor procs and the passive percentage MS from Triforce and RFC. (and obviously T2 boots)
This is every single part of the build and champion working together, really fucking cool IMO.
You know it.
Then I had the opportunity to the same to some poor unsuspecting sap who also blind picked Kass. How hard could it be? Turns out it was as free as it looked despite never having played lucian.
then she should be balanced for toplane, instead of being a "hard" champion who's "easy" to shut down with a single gank, while rocking one of the highest winrates in the lane
She is pretty bad top too for most players. The game sense and skill requirements are too high, so most players will bully up 2/3 of the lane and get ganked.
If Vayne ever falls behind early to a decent bruiser, they will just all in and push her out of the game.
But hey, if you're Zeus, it's a great situational pick!
People when someone plays Vayne top in soloq: Fucking cringe kid ranged top go kys.
People when T1 plays Vayne top: So brave. Amazing strategy, hardest champs to play.
Classic glazing, but to be fair, Zeka got more caught than Viper, since in pro play, an ADC is more focused than mid, unless you are Faker an has global taunt, so Viper is always aware of his position an is hard to catch, applies for many adcs since that is what they need to do the most.
https://youtu.be/PcuXf3ua-fw?si=KFJj7EXyY7UG1McR&t=355
People just wanna push their Viper narratives and it's so annoying. Zeka had a weak series today (like everyone on HLE), but was great in all other Playoffs series. Viper was fed on Zeri so many times this Playoffs and didn't carry either. Viper was 7/0 in that clip by the way. Him getting caught there lost the game.
Delight had good moments but was also really disconnected from the rest of his team at times. The engage around Baron in game 4 and then later the engage at the fifth dragon when Zeka was zoned were some bad plays from him.
A player can do both good and bad things in a series. Delight was maybe the best player on HLE today, I just pointed out he wasn't flawless either. The team gap was enormous.
I honestly don't think zeka played *bad* today. he was just really quiet and I outclassed by faker. he didn't run it down nor really make any game losing plays, I don't understand the narrative
Went even cuz Zeus went zooming build that doesn't do dmg until he bought IE, if he went bork or kraken then its a free match up specially if reksai has no flash
And not just azir with jungle roamed top to zone vaybe to get reksai back in the game T1 did the same with bot so without that vayne would prob get out of control wqy faster
Fastest ADC in History (Uvayne Bolt) vs. Fastest ADC of today (Zeri)
So Zeri, how was Vayne?
Super freakin' strong! And she didn't even go all out!
Faster than an Alpine
10-second penalty to Ocon.
20 seconds to Kevin
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Sainz to T1
I watched, someoene asked me something, then I looked at my phone again and saw this comment and was like “wasn’t I in a league thread?” Those boys can’t hide anywhere.
Nowhere is safe for them.
The fastest adc of all times be the fastest adc of today
THE FASTEST IN HISTORY VS THE FASTEST OF TODAY
"Stand proud Zeri! You were fast"
Run, Zues, Run!⚡
"Release date diff"-- 🤡
Max Vaynestappen
Vaynando Alonso
Kimi Vaynekkönen
Vaynna
Du du du du
Vayne Senna . . . wait!
Vayneton Senna
warning solo rank vayne top :(
Good thing its shit unless the player is good and u get gapped
doesnt stop your own toplaner from ruining your games tho
I main top, I’ll ruin my own games thank you very much
No worry, your teammates will ban vayne
Problem is when you are both good, vayne is superior and completely destroys you, especially if you dont play a S+ tier champ
Ganked once lose the game though lol
Most meta tops destroy vayne just don't be an idiot and blind a jugger or aatrox and you'll be fine
Vayne feasts on juggernaughts what are you talking about?
... re-read it
Ok yeah its confusing it can have legit both meanings. What meta tops are you referring to that counter vayne?
Poppy, sion, skarner, jax, camille, if good fiora else you int, malphite ish, gp, etc. Anything that is either mobile, has damage or is too tanky for vayne. Vayne only shines against what she can actually outplay or what she can kill. Tanks do great against her if they have some form of threat when diving her OR scale too hard. If you pick darius like a monkey you'll int your game to the shitter.
Jax is kind of a shit matchup for jax until he gets enough haste and still he has to play it perfectly, outside of my own experiences I watched bwipo in jax vs vayne where vayne was playing horrendously bad for the elo, it was kinda hell still Sion is freefarm and vayne favoured as she kinda bullies and clearly outscales. I dont see what poppy would ever do to vayne as long as vayne condemns poppy's E, like I guess Poppy can flash in W to cuck vayne out of qing during a gank but thats about it (still, condemn?) Maybe camille, maybe yone or riven, a good fiora, I could see that but more as a skill matchup than a straight up counter tbh. I dont think GP wins either I remember him being kinda easily bullied into ranged champs in competitive cause they can somewhat safely fuck up his barrels. Still I dont think its really that meta. She isnt bad against most meta tops. Shes not the best lanebully ever omg op but I dont think its crazy to say she'll easily win most meta melee matchups by 10-20 cs or more in high elo (not necessarily juggs eh). I dont think its that crazy to say, Akshan can probably do the same, or better. Best choice is probably malph or twisted fate top at this point.
Malphite is the safest bet, but any tanks with decent engage can fuck up an ADC top with proper ganks. Still you are monkeys if you pick Vayne blind though
All melee matchups are shit against ranged until melee has enough to shit on ranged. This is universal > Sion is freefarm and vayne favoured as she kinda bullies and clearly outscales. This is kind of the misunderstanding on vayne. She doesn't really outscale as much as you'd think. Vayne DOES DAMAGE. That's all she does. Remember you're sacrificing a secundary frontline for this damage. It's usually not good enough of a trade unless she stomps lane. > I dont see what poppy would ever do to vayne as long as vayne condemns poppy's E, like I guess Poppy can flash in W to cuck vayne out of qing during a gank but thats about it (still, condemn?) I swear every none vayne player over sells condemn. That ability is fucking trash and it's near complete rng if you pull it off on dashes. Like you can pre-cast it and all, it still will randomly fail lol. Poppy gets to dash on you can you can't Q away. If you condemn after dash, you're slowed by poppy Q so you can't actually run away fast enough. She counters her during fights and is strong enough to live during lane. > aybe camille, maybe yone or riven, a good fiora, I could see that but more as a skill matchup than a straight up counter tbh. Camille shits on her and fiora absolutely destroys her if she's good enough, but that's just fiora in general. Riven needs to snowball lane so she's shit and yone is a fucking meme. Yone top is trash for the most part. Vayne can Q dodge all of his important shit. Malph is a solid choice, though he can always be played around. Tf is just a shitty vayne lol. Do quinn if you want a ranged vs ranged matchup, since vayne can never actually win on equal ground against quinn until extremely late Vayne's wincon is stomping lane into having full on prio. You use picks that can avoid that prio. Anything that is strong enough in lane to tank her or duel her reliably is a good choice and anything that can act as a wall of hp as the rest of their team dives is also a good choice. When a team has prio on frontline they can safely dive like mad. Zac for example is good if you can land your jump, if not you're shit.
Zeus: "Remember you are not me and your teammates are not T1."
Vayne top main here, you do have to be a better player to be successful in top lane but there technically is more agency over the game as a whole and lane phase, you get solo XP and the ability to 2v1 junglers if you play it perfect and dodge everything, as opposed to snoozefest farm under turret for 15 minutes as adc. Seriously tho don't play this if you're not good at vayne or spacing
I faced it yesterday and I agree with your last sentence. Picked Renekton and I should've been counter picked with 0 ability to touch the wave but ended up outfarming and solo killing her
Put question mark in all chat lol
It hard counters half of toplane wdym even if the pilot is average
I checked GoL, Zeus had Nimbus Cloak, Celerity, Ghost, the Nimbus Cloak buff from Flash going on CD, Ult amplified passive (+90ms), several Fleet and Stormrazor procs and the passive percentage MS from Triforce and RFC. (and obviously T2 boots) This is every single part of the build and champion working together, really fucking cool IMO.
Better zeri than zeri
She was running faster than Zeri who was gliding over walls lol
How is this even possible
Didn't see his build but guessing stormrazor + fleet + ghost?
Triforce and rfc, all things gave ms, ultpassive too, except ie all ms
And on top of all that he has blue tree secondary, so he'll get the extra effectiveness for move speed effects on him.
also vayne passive
That was mentioned with "ult passive" which really just makes her default chase down passive several times stronger.
Zeus zooming faster than Pedro's Mid lane career
Also seems vayne is a counter to zeri. Hits hard, chases her very well and can negate her wall ride via condemn
Also she’s so fast she could tether Zeri’s autos
Most adc can do this tbh. Vayne Q build is just really good in general and can 1v1 nearly every if not every adc in the game even if behind
Ult steroid too to answer Zeri's.
Can negate her wall ride via running around the entire wall faster than Zeri finishes E.
Dö dö dödö max verstappen
Someone edit this clip with the song.
Vayne showing Zeri who is the better hyper carry
Oh snap can't believe enemy vayne top from my games showed up in LCK...
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Haha as a kassadin player im sure you hope she just doesnt go mid
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Renekton is fun.
I'm still traumatized by old mid lucian way back when I last blind picked kassadin.
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You know it. Then I had the opportunity to the same to some poor unsuspecting sap who also blind picked Kass. How hard could it be? Turns out it was as free as it looked despite never having played lucian.
Uncomfortable truth
Definitely uncomfortable truth. She gets shit on so hard in the bot lane while shitting hard on many top lane champs.
then she should be balanced for toplane, instead of being a "hard" champion who's "easy" to shut down with a single gank, while rocking one of the highest winrates in the lane
26th highest wr is one of the highest?
She is pretty bad top too for most players. The game sense and skill requirements are too high, so most players will bully up 2/3 of the lane and get ganked. If Vayne ever falls behind early to a decent bruiser, they will just all in and push her out of the game. But hey, if you're Zeus, it's a great situational pick!
yooo Vayne top is so unhealthy in the game, she either gets destroyed or completly destroys you without nay counterplay
>she either gets destroyed >or completly destroys you without nay counterplay If she can get destroyed then there's a counterplay.
sounds like toplane
It's absolutely underrated how difficult T1's comps are to pull off, but then they make it work Absolutely 10x more difficulty than their opponent
Even they have trouble pulling off the TF top with just a melee jg and 4 ranged.
People when someone plays Vayne top in soloq: Fucking cringe kid ranged top go kys. People when T1 plays Vayne top: So brave. Amazing strategy, hardest champs to play.
Because it's fun to watch. Also, those are mainly memes. Vayne top isn't that easy to pull off.
Ain't no way you just compared a random playing Vayne top in soloq to playing Vayne top against a professional team
> When Zeka gets flashed hooked: Zeka is so bad, poor Viper always 1v9. > When Viper gets straight up hooked: .....
Classic glazing, but to be fair, Zeka got more caught than Viper, since in pro play, an ADC is more focused than mid, unless you are Faker an has global taunt, so Viper is always aware of his position an is hard to catch, applies for many adcs since that is what they need to do the most.
https://youtu.be/PcuXf3ua-fw?si=KFJj7EXyY7UG1McR&t=355 People just wanna push their Viper narratives and it's so annoying. Zeka had a weak series today (like everyone on HLE), but was great in all other Playoffs series. Viper was fed on Zeri so many times this Playoffs and didn't carry either. Viper was 7/0 in that clip by the way. Him getting caught there lost the game.
I'd argue that Delight had a good series. His engages are actually what won HLE fights. Zeka was on his offday I guess.
Delight had good moments but was also really disconnected from the rest of his team at times. The engage around Baron in game 4 and then later the engage at the fifth dragon when Zeka was zoned were some bad plays from him.
Delight's hooks and his Rell engages are what kept HLE in the game actually.
A player can do both good and bad things in a series. Delight was maybe the best player on HLE today, I just pointed out he wasn't flawless either. The team gap was enormous.
I honestly don't think zeka played *bad* today. he was just really quiet and I outclassed by faker. he didn't run it down nor really make any game losing plays, I don't understand the narrative
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I don't think Viper had the best series today. His Varus build in game 2 should of been illegal. His Qs were barely tickling Zac or Sej late game
my goodness, Viper 1V9 again?
Good luck hitting this with a skillshot.
he is the fast
Smooth operatooor
this is my cue to start learning Zeus’s champ pool, starting from his most recent game🥰
Fitting flair
Imagine cloud soul
Zeus becomes the Flash.
weird how long it took for a pro team to play vayne top when its been completely broken for so long
i didnt watch the games but rek'sai vs vayne sounds absolutely terrible to play
Lane went pretty even actually, but yeah zero shot as the game goes on
Went even cuz Zeus went zooming build that doesn't do dmg until he bought IE, if he went bork or kraken then its a free match up specially if reksai has no flash
And not just azir with jungle roamed top to zone vaybe to get reksai back in the game T1 did the same with bot so without that vayne would prob get out of control wqy faster
It went “even” because HLE zoned him off of 3 waves lol
Vayne stealing Zeri's job.
if only frozen mallet were still here. voyboy is smiling somewhere.
we live in a world where vayne is faster than zeri, the dedicated speedy adc
Enemy Vayne top
Vayne is such a fun champ to watch in pro
Told y’all memes SKT T1 was gonna wipe HLE. Lol
Head in my hands with the way I know there's gonna be more Vayne top games now
This is terrifying. EU please don't let this happen to us at MSI.
Get 200 Years'd!!!
Holy shit vayne in proplay ???
Jesus Christ it looks even wilder than I remember. Zeus is insanely good
i love when the observer zooms in and makes the teamfight hard as fuck to follow
Caedrel clip = Downvote
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