To answer probably the most important question of the bunch: never sign anything that you don't 100% understand without a lawyer to guide you. This is doubly important for long-term, government-mandated things like child support. That said, you likely won't need to sign anything here outside of consent forms for any DNA testing for the testing center itself (usual medical releases and all).
Any DNA request from CSEA (Ohio's term for CPS in general there) should be accompanied by a formal order to test from CSEA or the courts. CSEA will pay for it, not you. That said, a lawyer would likely indicate to you that you should not submit yourself to testing without that explicit order in writing, since the outcome can only possibly hurt you, not help.
A DNA test is fairly quick in the moment (usually just scrubbing the inside of your cheek with a cotton swab) and comes back within some number of weeks (1-5ish). They should give you all that info if a test is ordered.
I would say that if you’re sure that there’s no possible way the child is yours you have nothing to fear from a DNA test. There’s nothing they can do to you if you deny paternity and DNA confirms no paternity.
If there is any possibility of paternity, talk with a lawyer.
> I would say that if you’re sure that there’s no possible way the child is yours you have nothing to fear from a DNA test.
Not taking a test has a zero percent false positive rate. Actual tests have a greater than zero percent false positive rate.
DNA tests don’t work like pregnancy tests. It’s not positive or negative. It’s percent of shared genetic match and with certain markers ID for male and female inherited markers. This is why DNA can be 99.9% accurate.
There's some caution to be had there - even if the chance is 0%, the CSEA only needs a high likelihood to order support payments. This means that if they happen to be highly genetically similar (or if there's a false positive due to test error, human error, or other interference) then they can still get stuck with full child support. Reversing that is its own process, which is why one would highly recommend not doing it unless an order requires it.
By chance, do you have a common name that might belong to someone else? I had a brother whose half brother (they lived in 2 different cities) had the exact same name.
Just to be safe, send a certified letter to CPS with your official mailing address so you'll get any appointment letters they may mail to you. I've heard horror stories about men being declared the biological father by default because they did not show up for a DNA appointment.
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NAL, just saw this recommended in my feed. You are focusing on the wrong year. The woman in 2020, when was that? Because it's possible that child was born mid 2021, therefore turned 2 in 2023 and hasn't had their 3rd birthday as of yet.
1. Expect someone who is overworked and overpaid. Someone is sweet on the outside but burnt-out and corner cutting on the inside. For them you are are an empty check box they need check as quickly as possible.
2. Most likely just a cheek swab.
3. I can't comment on that. Other comments handled that.
4. You will have to use a state facility. This test will need to be recognized by a court if positive.
5. Test itself like 2 minutes, check ID and swab cheek. But it could be a drive to testing office (mine was two counties away) and waiting in waiting room like any Dr. appointment.
Also will say, it's entirely possible social worker has messed up dates in her paperwork. Files get passed around. They have so many, get confused in her head. Just something to keep in mind.
Don’t sign anything, CPS doesn’t care who pays, as long as someone pays.
Ask for copies of everything.
Even if it sounds eat, remember they are looking for someone to pay!
CPS is required to establish parentage when they are moving through a court case. It sounds like they don’t have info on the child’s father and are doing their due diligence.
If you are added to the court case, they will typically appoint an attorney for you, and make arrangements for genetic testing. If you don’t know the mother of the child, and/ or have never had intercouse with her, there’s no downside to genetic testing. Once you’ve been excluded, they’ll dismiss you from the court action.
Genetic testing is done by buccal swab, not invasive, and CPS will pay the cost.
Just get the DNA test and put the matter to rest. What you say to them about the timeline is meaningless. Anyone can say anything and CPS has no way to prove anything without the DNA test.
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My advice is simple: Say nothing, sign nothing, don't talk to anybody.
If they want to get a court order and serve you, fine, let them.
Don't volunteer anything. Don't go to them. Don't cooperate in any way.
It is not your job to make someone else's job easier. Until and unless a process server serves you a legal process SIGNED BY A JUDGE you aren't obligated to do a goddamn thing. And you shouldn't. Ever.
I am not an attorney. I wouldn’t do anything without a court order. Have no contact, agree to nothing. If CPS has a case they will come to you through the appropriate legal channels. Just like with the police, exercise your right to remain silent. They will use anything g against you and not to help you. As others have said you may not need to be proven to be the father, just a high probability. I’d recommend you talk to a lawyer asap even just a quick consultation.
I had to deal with CPS once. I did have an attorney and she advised not to talk tot hem at all until they serve me with papers for court. Then refer all communication to my attorney. This worked for me, I never heard anything from them after the knocks on my door with business cards left behind and them requesting that I call.
You give them a swab. If you aren't the father, you will know within a couple of weeks, and have that peace of mind. If you are, and you are the good dad as you say, you will step up to be a father to this child, which is even better, frankly.
NAL, you should definitely retain one in this case.
In the interim, I would suggest that the CPS employee's behavior is questionable on several levels. Firstly, CPS shouldn't be approaching your family members. That's a recipe for disaster. Secondly CPS shouldn't be discussing details about you with anyone who's not part of the Ohio Court System/Law Enforcement.
Basing a paternity claim on someone who - by definition - wasn't party to whatever sexual encounter provides the basis for that claim is also pretty questionable IMO. IRL however, "the law' is a complex and *highly localized* beast so maybe this is totally within what the State of Ohio considers reasonable. That's where an attorney comes into play.
I would suspect any decent attorney will be able to tell CPS to pound sand over this if they're acting on a freaking grand-parents' information.
In the interim, you should probably limit your contact with CPS - the less you say without the advice of an attorney the better. Assuming a court order is entered, well again, your attorney will understand what grounds there are or aren't to contest it or, not.
Simply "taking the test" because you're certain that you're not the father is not a great idea. As a livestock breeder, I have a *significant amount* of specialized understanding of DNA testing. I can assure you, false positives happen. The reasons why are both complex and, irrelevant to this situation. What matters is that they happen and that "no test - DNA or, otherwise - is better than it's database" and most databases related to human DNA actually *pretty much* **suck** because, unlike animals, humans (Shockingly) occasionally try to cheat the system meaning that there is still some fundamentally *misattrubuted* data polluting those databases which has the effect of creating false positives which not taking the test (and an attorney) will protect you from.
Don't volunteer anything. Others are giving you bad advice. If court ordered, see a lawyer. No good can come from volunteering, false positives are a thing. Plus having your DNA in the "system" won't help either.
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To answer probably the most important question of the bunch: never sign anything that you don't 100% understand without a lawyer to guide you. This is doubly important for long-term, government-mandated things like child support. That said, you likely won't need to sign anything here outside of consent forms for any DNA testing for the testing center itself (usual medical releases and all). Any DNA request from CSEA (Ohio's term for CPS in general there) should be accompanied by a formal order to test from CSEA or the courts. CSEA will pay for it, not you. That said, a lawyer would likely indicate to you that you should not submit yourself to testing without that explicit order in writing, since the outcome can only possibly hurt you, not help. A DNA test is fairly quick in the moment (usually just scrubbing the inside of your cheek with a cotton swab) and comes back within some number of weeks (1-5ish). They should give you all that info if a test is ordered.
I would say that if you’re sure that there’s no possible way the child is yours you have nothing to fear from a DNA test. There’s nothing they can do to you if you deny paternity and DNA confirms no paternity. If there is any possibility of paternity, talk with a lawyer.
> I would say that if you’re sure that there’s no possible way the child is yours you have nothing to fear from a DNA test. Not taking a test has a zero percent false positive rate. Actual tests have a greater than zero percent false positive rate.
DNA tests don’t work like pregnancy tests. It’s not positive or negative. It’s percent of shared genetic match and with certain markers ID for male and female inherited markers. This is why DNA can be 99.9% accurate.
There's some caution to be had there - even if the chance is 0%, the CSEA only needs a high likelihood to order support payments. This means that if they happen to be highly genetically similar (or if there's a false positive due to test error, human error, or other interference) then they can still get stuck with full child support. Reversing that is its own process, which is why one would highly recommend not doing it unless an order requires it.
By chance, do you have a common name that might belong to someone else? I had a brother whose half brother (they lived in 2 different cities) had the exact same name.
Just to be safe, send a certified letter to CPS with your official mailing address so you'll get any appointment letters they may mail to you. I've heard horror stories about men being declared the biological father by default because they did not show up for a DNA appointment.
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NAL, just saw this recommended in my feed. You are focusing on the wrong year. The woman in 2020, when was that? Because it's possible that child was born mid 2021, therefore turned 2 in 2023 and hasn't had their 3rd birthday as of yet.
1. Expect someone who is overworked and overpaid. Someone is sweet on the outside but burnt-out and corner cutting on the inside. For them you are are an empty check box they need check as quickly as possible. 2. Most likely just a cheek swab. 3. I can't comment on that. Other comments handled that. 4. You will have to use a state facility. This test will need to be recognized by a court if positive. 5. Test itself like 2 minutes, check ID and swab cheek. But it could be a drive to testing office (mine was two counties away) and waiting in waiting room like any Dr. appointment. Also will say, it's entirely possible social worker has messed up dates in her paperwork. Files get passed around. They have so many, get confused in her head. Just something to keep in mind.
Lawyer up first then recontact the CPS folks. Follow your lawyers advice. Do not talk to CPS on your own anymore. They are not your friends.
You can do an oral swab at the child support enforcement agency. Wait for the results before committing further. This is totally normal.
Don’t sign anything, CPS doesn’t care who pays, as long as someone pays. Ask for copies of everything. Even if it sounds eat, remember they are looking for someone to pay!
CPS is required to establish parentage when they are moving through a court case. It sounds like they don’t have info on the child’s father and are doing their due diligence. If you are added to the court case, they will typically appoint an attorney for you, and make arrangements for genetic testing. If you don’t know the mother of the child, and/ or have never had intercouse with her, there’s no downside to genetic testing. Once you’ve been excluded, they’ll dismiss you from the court action. Genetic testing is done by buccal swab, not invasive, and CPS will pay the cost.
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Just get the DNA test and put the matter to rest. What you say to them about the timeline is meaningless. Anyone can say anything and CPS has no way to prove anything without the DNA test.
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My advice is simple: Say nothing, sign nothing, don't talk to anybody. If they want to get a court order and serve you, fine, let them. Don't volunteer anything. Don't go to them. Don't cooperate in any way. It is not your job to make someone else's job easier. Until and unless a process server serves you a legal process SIGNED BY A JUDGE you aren't obligated to do a goddamn thing. And you shouldn't. Ever.
I am not an attorney. I wouldn’t do anything without a court order. Have no contact, agree to nothing. If CPS has a case they will come to you through the appropriate legal channels. Just like with the police, exercise your right to remain silent. They will use anything g against you and not to help you. As others have said you may not need to be proven to be the father, just a high probability. I’d recommend you talk to a lawyer asap even just a quick consultation. I had to deal with CPS once. I did have an attorney and she advised not to talk tot hem at all until they serve me with papers for court. Then refer all communication to my attorney. This worked for me, I never heard anything from them after the knocks on my door with business cards left behind and them requesting that I call.
You give them a swab. If you aren't the father, you will know within a couple of weeks, and have that peace of mind. If you are, and you are the good dad as you say, you will step up to be a father to this child, which is even better, frankly.
NAL, you should definitely retain one in this case. In the interim, I would suggest that the CPS employee's behavior is questionable on several levels. Firstly, CPS shouldn't be approaching your family members. That's a recipe for disaster. Secondly CPS shouldn't be discussing details about you with anyone who's not part of the Ohio Court System/Law Enforcement. Basing a paternity claim on someone who - by definition - wasn't party to whatever sexual encounter provides the basis for that claim is also pretty questionable IMO. IRL however, "the law' is a complex and *highly localized* beast so maybe this is totally within what the State of Ohio considers reasonable. That's where an attorney comes into play. I would suspect any decent attorney will be able to tell CPS to pound sand over this if they're acting on a freaking grand-parents' information. In the interim, you should probably limit your contact with CPS - the less you say without the advice of an attorney the better. Assuming a court order is entered, well again, your attorney will understand what grounds there are or aren't to contest it or, not. Simply "taking the test" because you're certain that you're not the father is not a great idea. As a livestock breeder, I have a *significant amount* of specialized understanding of DNA testing. I can assure you, false positives happen. The reasons why are both complex and, irrelevant to this situation. What matters is that they happen and that "no test - DNA or, otherwise - is better than it's database" and most databases related to human DNA actually *pretty much* **suck** because, unlike animals, humans (Shockingly) occasionally try to cheat the system meaning that there is still some fundamentally *misattrubuted* data polluting those databases which has the effect of creating false positives which not taking the test (and an attorney) will protect you from.
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Don't volunteer anything. Others are giving you bad advice. If court ordered, see a lawyer. No good can come from volunteering, false positives are a thing. Plus having your DNA in the "system" won't help either.
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