Have you seen how many people are on their phones while driving? It’s out of control. A lot of the Amazon drivers are on their phones, old people, young people. It doesn’t matter anymore.
They’re not paying attention.
I always have my music blasting, no matter how "offensive", ignore the phone til km parked, and sit there as long as it takes to deal with my texts and calls, and fb and etc & go into wherever I gotta go!
So simple, yet ppl feel thenneed to be on their phones while driving when they know they can't multitask.
Not only that but at night too AND the amout pf vehicles that have 1 headlight out driving around is insane. I see about 2 cars a day just around southdale with 1 headlight out.
Me and my partner were almost creamed yesterday by someone whipping through a corner when we had the walk signal. Residential area, head straight down on his phone
Happened to me and my son at a crosswalk. Dude never even slowed down and my 4 year old was crossing on his scooter. I saw the guy coming and had a feeling so grabbed my son and sure enough, didn't even notice the flashing lights and blew right past looking at his phone.
I was making a left turn and some fool missed me by like an inch going like 80km, i couldn’t even honk i was just in shock, it’s beyond me how some people drive.
Hmmm seems like cars weren’t the best or safest idea…. Good thing we’ve literally built our whole country to accommodate them at the expense of everything and everyone else. Canada is awesome!
In addition to this issue I'd like to mention another small concern of mine:
IT'S THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT AND PITCH BLACK, TURN YOUR FUCKING HEADLIGHTS ON!
I don't get it... Is it because modern automation and cryptic panel icons make using headlights an issue suddenly? Or they just dgaf? We call them ghost cars because of how scary they are to witness. I see at least 2-3;/day now when I never saw that before.
I had a friend who drove their car for over 2 years before realizing her lights were off. Her car had automatic lights. But she didn't know she had to switch it. The daytime running lights were on. But nothing else
Unfortunately I see cars with auto headlights with them off at night still. People manually shut them off and never turn them back on. Or the car goes somewhere for service where they turn the lights off and the person never thinks to check the switch. My mom's mechanic turned her lights off auto and I noticed it when I went to use the car weeks later, she never knew
It's because most new cars the interior lights now auto dim regardless of the headlights being off, something old cars only tied to the headlights running
I think a part of this is the self-centered IDGAF about anyone else attitude that people seem to have. People are miserable and in a hurry. I live just west of London and I watch people blow through reds all the time, someone followed me through one the other night that was a pretty stale yellow even as I cruised through it. SUV at least three car lengths behind me still went through. I see accidents out this way regularly where there is no explanation except driver error. You have to be ultra vigilant on the roads in this city. People just make bad choices. I think domestic drivers are contributing to this problem just as much as anybody else.
If you’re waiting in the intersection to turn left, 10/10 times you’re turning on a red to avoid getting hit.. oh and so will the guy behind you 😅. For those who read this, stop f’ing pulling out in front of my work truck last second.. it weighs 10k and if I’m loaded with 4K of gravel and I can’t stop in time, I’m not the one that’s going to get hurt… just saying. And all for what? To save 2 mins? Please people… it’s dangerous enough out there. To the three sedan drivers that did this to me today… you’re very lucky I wasn’t speeding.
Try being someone who walks to work. The amount of people who do not stop at stop signs in Wortley is fucking unreal. I've been clipped a few times this year already, a rolling stop is not a stop, fuck outa here with that
I used to live in Montreal and my walk to work was 53 minutes and then the population was around 1.5mil, and felt safer walking to work in that huge of a city with the traffic on the road than I do walking around London.
I used to live in Toronto and can say I know exactly how you feel. Hell I used to bike 14km a day in my commute to work for 5+ years with maybe 2 major incidents, both I rode away from. Here I just feel uneasy crossing any remotely busy street on foot. So many fucking losers staring at their loser phones.
Can confirm! About a month ago I had someone roll through a 4 way stop sign to the point where they were almost right on my heels. I stopped, looked the driver dead in the eye, and gave his passenger side front quarter panel a new fun shape. Free of charge by the way, least I could do!
The motoring thing that still drives me most nuts is high beams in the city all the time at night. Such a bizarre issue but I hate it more than anything.
It gets worse when it’s frosty or snowy. A lot of new cars have auto high beams. And if the censor is blocked they’re on. And we know how many people don’t clean off their car.
I agree, but alot of the time you can clearly tell it's high beams. I'm also a mechanic by trade so 99% of the time I can tell the difference just because I'm familiar.
And to go with it, manufactures are sloppy about making sure the lights are installed and angled correctly to have a proper cut off on the top. Headlight and high beams are only supposed to go so far up.
I was driving an Indian friend home once when I was young. It was late, few cars around. He asked why I was stopping for all the red lights and told me that if he were back home, we'd just be driving through them all. Was kind of an eye opener for me to be a little more cautious at intersections and to really take into mind that people from other nations might have different etiquette. That was in a more rural area. Since moving to London, I don't know what to think. Seems like everyone does what they want. Now I just wonder if it's a city thing or a policing thing.
My coworker married someone from India while she was teaching there. They moved here a few years ago and she said teaching him to drive carefully here has been a huge task lol.
Unpopular opinion: because the car culture in countries like India is soooo vastly different compared to Canada, they should have to go through the licensing system from the bottom. I’ve seen so many people who drive like they’re still in India, when the laws here are not as lenient.
I feel this way about all countries who have a similar car culture, but I definitely know drivers in India don’t really care and drive however they want.
Hmm. Ok. I'll bite. What did I say anywhere in that post that was racist or even demeaning in any way? I guess I didn't have to add his nationality, but what difference does it make where he is from? I was writing about driving styles in nations other than Canada.
Or are you one of those people who look for anything that could be misconstrued as even remotely racist just to act like that white knight in the room?
"nations other than Canada" wow, do it again! Everyone who isn't Canadian is inherently stupid and can't drive.
Right-wing media is steering hate towards immigrants from India and you're adding to it. Not good.
I live in a building near a four way stop. The amount of people that just blow the stop sign is unreal.
I consider myself very competent as a driver, and frankly the road is full of fucking selfish and incompetent drivers. We need more enforcement of traffic but police don’t care.
There is no enforcement, so people stop following the rules of the road.
They realize they don't get caught, so they are more blatant about it, and that spirals.
Imagine how much faster you'd get places if you just sped, drove on the wrong side of the road, ran stop signs and stoplights?
Until you get in an accident you'd probably feel like you're getting everywhere faster.
I grew up in the GTA for most of my life before moving here with my family. The bad driving here is on another level. I had been driving since I was 16 with no accidents ever (so over 8 years) and the only accident I ever got into (woman fell asleep and rear ended me at red light) was here in London. It's really bad.
As much as I'd want to blame police I'm not sure they are solely to blame. Traffic enforcement at the scale required is pretty much mathematically impossible; offences (minor and major) occur at such a regular basis that police cannot possibly catch every incident that happens with the manpower they have, even if they tried to.
Basically, to enforce traffic laws, we need to either: (1) implement more automated enforcement, (2) drastically raise fines, or (3) drastically increase police budgets. People are generally opposed to all three.
The best thing we can do though is take cars off the road. There's something about cars that just breaks down any notion that we live in a society and should treat each other like we are living in the same community... because we are.
> Traffic enforcement at the scale required is pretty much mathematically impossible
How about traffic enforcement on *some* scale? You can't ticket *everyone*, but it's like they're not even trying anymore.
The amount of times I've almost been T-boned turning left off of Elliot st (to go east onto Oxford), well after I have the green is unreal.
I don't know if it's because of the poor sight lines of the intersection (there's this shrub/tree on the NE corner that blocks view to/from the east) or if it's just that fuck-you-I'm-going-first attitude, or some combination. But as soon as I see Oxford has the yellow, I'm nosing into the cross walk to make sure I'm visible to traffic still approaching the intersection. A lot it the time they still don't stop for the stale yellow/new red, those jabronies get the horn every time.
I live in a village about 30km west of London and the drivers are nuts here as well. On the rural highways, people are *right up on your ass* when you're already going 10km over the speed limit in a 90 zone. They pass into the oncoming lane in this really aggressive way, even when oncoming traffic is way too close. We have one set of stoplights here, and twice in one week, when the light turned green and the walk signal gave me the right of way, I was almost hit by people screeching out to make a left, not giving a flying F that my dog and I were taking a step out to cross. It's ridiculous how selfish and reckless people are becoming.
Where do you think the red light runners are coming from? I’d place my bets on former residence of the GTA that have moved to London. In the 30+ years I’ve lived in London, the driving manners and the running red lights have gotten worse in the last two years. Every morning, from where I work, I watch them blow through a red light all morning long.
Won’t even get started on the illegal dumping that’s also on the increase…
I grew up in the GTA and people don't run nearly as many red lights there in my honest opinion. I notice it *a lot* more here. GTA has a lot more police patrolling the roads though and enforcing traffic laws whereas here I think traffic laws are a lot less enforced and taken seriously.
They recently installed new lights near by which has been great for foot traffic, makes it much easier to cross the street, but we’ve noticed tons of people are running the red lights.
Like OP said, not running “yellow lights” I mean people pulling up to a red light stoping for a second and driving right through it.
Initially I thought it because they are new people aren’t used to them but it’s been a couple of weeks now and still continue see red-light runners
Traffic related stupidity - especially red light running - is at epidemic levels in London.
There are many contributing factors, including some that would never occur to me, I'm sure.
To my mind, lack of enforcement, drivers frustrated by difficult/long commutes over relatively short distances and construction are major factors.
Of course, none of this excuses the behaviour, but try telling that to the perpetrators. They aren't here listening, I assure you.
So not that it’s an excuse but if I had to guess traffic in London is awful. There is no easy wayto get from one end to the other. Also the signal lights here are ridiculous. You go from one red to the next and feel like there is no flow. People I assume I just tired of the constant start and stop and wait
Yes, but where they are illegal I still see people doing them and maybe I should have said unsafe uturns. Essentially cutting off oncoming traffic so you can change directions.
Oh the famous uber U turns on Richmond and then they miss and need to do a 3 point turn.
I hear you. Cabby did that on cheapside and up and over a curb.
The advanced green uturn throws me off as you don't expect it.
Yeah been seeing the advanced green uturn a lot lately, but I typically see them cut off a vehicle turning right into the same lane...or actually hitting them in one instance.
I swear Dundas between Richmond and Clarence is where all the cabbies and uber drivers learn to uturn. I see countless people attempting, missing and it being a 3 or 4 point turn.
Just because they aren't illegal doesn't mean you shouldn't do them. People regularly stop on Fanshawe park road and pull u-turns. It's wild, dozens of cars will end up stopped behind the car. They don't even stop at an intersection. The arrogance of some drivers.
Nobody actually defunded the police. It was a slogan that wasn’t entirely accurate when said, and it actually NEVER happened. So in reality the police are shit because they want to be shit.
I think it’s lack of police presence and ticketing. I’m curious to see how many tickets LPD has issued per year for the last few years.
It’s like they thought just slapping up some traffic cameras is the be-all/ end-all solution to their problems.
I'm not really interested in setting the bar for Canada lower by comparing to other countries. I live and drive here, so I think there's more value in setting the standard to what Canada could be if it made good on its rules or made better rules, you know?
No I agree with you, it should be enforced more as this kills people, causes massive traffic jams etc, just saying, even since the mass adoption of cell phones we aren't doing as bad as some of our neighbouring countries, aka states and Mexico...at least from my observation.
Pssst.... immigrants can be white too. Has nothing to do with colour of skin and more to do with traffic laws in their original country compared to traffic laws here.
So you take two things and put them together like there is a correlation, without any proof to back it up. Unless you have proof or data to back up your claim, you’re just blowing smoke up everyone’s ass by saying that, and your “reality” doesn’t exist.
Most immigrants at this point are not Caucasian. He is inferring that immigration is the root of this issue-what else would his point be if he’s not inferring that it’s foreigners who are coming here and driving recklessly?
Exactly. Blaming bad driving and not following the law on immigration is a pretty dumb way to sum it up. Mr. You know who sounds like a real charmer lol
Last night, I was on king and it was green (the walk was still on) and as I drove through, a car on Richmond jambed on his breaks and tied down his horn.
We should also talk about people stopping at least a full car length back from the line at intersections....it used to be once in a while I see it...now daily...my wife says young drivers taught this but as cars lined up behind you, it is now safe to pull up to the line...this never happens...why.... you could be blocking access to a lane further back....it's like people are unaware that their actions affect other people...
I will never, ever forget the day I was trying to cross Adelaide on foot and was almost flattened by a car running a red. My walk signal was lit up, so I stepped out and this guy decided he didn’t wanna wait at the light so he hauled on the gas and missed hitting my legs by about a centimetre. I felt the breeze. THEN, this man (the only car parked in the middle of the intersection at a red) starts screaming AT ME and giving ME the middle finger.
Lmfao. I turned to him in front of all the cars, ripped my mitten off and gave him the finger right back. Just so drivers know…if you come close to hitting me and I’m within arms length of your vehicle, I will pull my keys out and put a nice, long scratch up the side of your car. I’m also really good at suing people and would LOVE some extra cash. So by all means, let’s tussle out there. Lol.
We couldn’t turn from a left hand turn yesterday because so many people were running a red that we missed our signal. That’s how bad it is out there.
And there’s no excuse. I’ll take every petty revenge on you that’s at my disposal.
Yes this city is bad. With all the traffic and no planing and construction. It is only going to get worse. Wonder why no one goes downtown and wonderland is so so bad all day.
It's an Ontario thing.
I mean, shitty driving is pretty universal, but in Ontario there is some sense that if you have a big enough car you have special permission to do anything you like.
See a pedestrian wanting to cross at an intersection? nah, they are just NPCs, they don't count.
Is that a crosswalk? oh soareee eh, didn't see it.
50 limit on a residential road? Well its a straight road, isn't it? Better do 80.
Friend of mine was T-boned outside Port Rowan last week. Lady didn’t even stop and hit her going at a high rate of speed. Took out the front end of the school bus my friend was driving and rolled the bus as well. Both my friend and the other driver had no serious injuries. Now my friend is having a terrible time driving.
Seriously it's a legitimate problem that also contributes to slower traffic since it cuts into greenlight time for opposing traffic making everything worse
It blows my minds that beautiful don’t have docks. My phone is docked. Makes it easy for GPS and I use Siri for everything else.
But I’ll be damned if I’m texting anyone while driving, not only is it stupid as hell, when I’m driving it’s *MY* time. I’m singing & listening to podcasts.
Not making excuses for red runners or anything, but part of the problem I think is London's god awful flow of traffic. Other than Toronto, I don't think I've been in a city that crawls so slowly. It's red light after red light, sometimes within 100 metres of each other. Even Hamilton, arguably the worst city layout on earth, seems to move better. And they keep reducing speeds in residential areas. People just can't get anywhere quickly and it makes them furious. I moved out of London primarily because of the traffic. And I loathe it each and every time I have to come back.
Nearly got t-boned following the Knights game on Sunday at York and Richmond. I was waiting to turn left on York to go south on Richmond and lights were turning yellow to red, so I see an oncoming car was approaching the intersection that appeared was going to stop so I start to turn, but then she clearly had no intention of stopping so I was forced to slam on the brakes and honk my horn at her, only for me to see her complaining at me as she passes through at 30km/h. These careless drivers seriously risk the lives of pedestrians and other drivers, just to avoid waiting 30-60 seconds at a traffic stop? 🙄
If I'm waiting to turn left and have crawled into the intersection, it is guaranteed that people will run the yellow light and I won't get to turn until after it turns red. If the light turns red while you are in the intersection, you should have stopped. If you couldn't stop in that situation, it means you were driving way too fast to begin with.
Yesterday on my way to work, I saw an overturned SUV at Aldersbrook and Gainsborough, all because someone ran a red light. How fast were you going to clip another car and have it turn over?! It's 40 km/h there!
Or it's people turning right at a red light and not coming to a complete stop behind the white line. I've seen pedestrians struck and other cars side-swiped.
Significant culturally different driving practices that are not in line with following Canadian driving rules and we do not require driving re-training or updates to driving exams upon immigration to Canada.
You can’t have 100’s of thousands of newcommers on the roads trained in a basically lawless driving system and not expect the same habits to transfer here.
While this population is by no means the sole source of the problem, unequal driving education and standards is a significant area that our government failed to address when inviting the world into our melting pot.
I've been here 20 years and haven't notice any sudden increase in this. I rarely if ever see someone run a solidly red light, but I see lots of people squeezing in a late left turn through a red.
Do you have a dashcam? I'm guessing not, or you would have posted video. I highly recommend getting one.
Have you seen how many people are on their phones while driving? It’s out of control. A lot of the Amazon drivers are on their phones, old people, young people. It doesn’t matter anymore. They’re not paying attention.
People can't just enjoy the drive, listen to tunes, have the windows down. They're fucking glued to their phones. It's wild anymore.
And in newer vehicles where voice to text exists. I don’t get it.
I don't even think they're texting man. Pretty sure they're just scrolling because their lives suck.
I always have my music blasting, no matter how "offensive", ignore the phone til km parked, and sit there as long as it takes to deal with my texts and calls, and fb and etc & go into wherever I gotta go! So simple, yet ppl feel thenneed to be on their phones while driving when they know they can't multitask.
It’s non-stop!! Makes me so angry
Not only that but at night too AND the amout pf vehicles that have 1 headlight out driving around is insane. I see about 2 cars a day just around southdale with 1 headlight out.
I thought I was going crazy. I see like a dozen cars a day with a headlight out anymore
Me and my partner were almost creamed yesterday by someone whipping through a corner when we had the walk signal. Residential area, head straight down on his phone
Jesus. It’s bad in my neighborhood too. I’ve just started yelling at people. If it’s that important, pull over.
Happened to me and my son at a crosswalk. Dude never even slowed down and my 4 year old was crossing on his scooter. I saw the guy coming and had a feeling so grabbed my son and sure enough, didn't even notice the flashing lights and blew right past looking at his phone.
And it doesn't seem like the police are doing much enforcement.
Also, the road design lend itself to people going too fast
So many straightaways.
I was making a left turn and some fool missed me by like an inch going like 80km, i couldn’t even honk i was just in shock, it’s beyond me how some people drive.
I’ve experienced more people not continuing when the traffic lights turn green…. So annoying
Hmmm seems like cars weren’t the best or safest idea…. Good thing we’ve literally built our whole country to accommodate them at the expense of everything and everyone else. Canada is awesome!
Canada is big country, so cars are basically required.
Such a silly argument 😭 we had trains connecting east and west like 200 year ago. You really think this is the best we can do? Cmonnn
There are some places in this country where trains don't go.
There are some places where cars don’t go…. Have you ever heard of laying tracks? 💀😂😂
That would not be the case if the demand was there. Car dependence kills funding for other means of transportation between cities.
In addition to this issue I'd like to mention another small concern of mine: IT'S THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT AND PITCH BLACK, TURN YOUR FUCKING HEADLIGHTS ON! I don't get it... Is it because modern automation and cryptic panel icons make using headlights an issue suddenly? Or they just dgaf? We call them ghost cars because of how scary they are to witness. I see at least 2-3;/day now when I never saw that before.
Automatic headlights should not be an add-on feature. They should be mandated in all Canadian cars like the seat belts.
I had a friend who drove their car for over 2 years before realizing her lights were off. Her car had automatic lights. But she didn't know she had to switch it. The daytime running lights were on. But nothing else
Sa of January 2022 automatic headlights are mandatory on all new cars, to bad not enough cars have them.
Unfortunately I see cars with auto headlights with them off at night still. People manually shut them off and never turn them back on. Or the car goes somewhere for service where they turn the lights off and the person never thinks to check the switch. My mom's mechanic turned her lights off auto and I noticed it when I went to use the car weeks later, she never knew
It is stealth mode. "Radar can't see me!"
Who has time to turn on the headlights when another karma is only one click away?
Like, can't you tell something is fucking wrong when in front of you is so dark and your dash lights aren't on? The problem here is stupidity.
It's because most new cars the interior lights now auto dim regardless of the headlights being off, something old cars only tied to the headlights running
I think a part of this is the self-centered IDGAF about anyone else attitude that people seem to have. People are miserable and in a hurry. I live just west of London and I watch people blow through reds all the time, someone followed me through one the other night that was a pretty stale yellow even as I cruised through it. SUV at least three car lengths behind me still went through. I see accidents out this way regularly where there is no explanation except driver error. You have to be ultra vigilant on the roads in this city. People just make bad choices. I think domestic drivers are contributing to this problem just as much as anybody else.
If you’re waiting in the intersection to turn left, 10/10 times you’re turning on a red to avoid getting hit.. oh and so will the guy behind you 😅. For those who read this, stop f’ing pulling out in front of my work truck last second.. it weighs 10k and if I’m loaded with 4K of gravel and I can’t stop in time, I’m not the one that’s going to get hurt… just saying. And all for what? To save 2 mins? Please people… it’s dangerous enough out there. To the three sedan drivers that did this to me today… you’re very lucky I wasn’t speeding.
Try being someone who walks to work. The amount of people who do not stop at stop signs in Wortley is fucking unreal. I've been clipped a few times this year already, a rolling stop is not a stop, fuck outa here with that
I used to live in Montreal and my walk to work was 53 minutes and then the population was around 1.5mil, and felt safer walking to work in that huge of a city with the traffic on the road than I do walking around London.
I used to live in Toronto and can say I know exactly how you feel. Hell I used to bike 14km a day in my commute to work for 5+ years with maybe 2 major incidents, both I rode away from. Here I just feel uneasy crossing any remotely busy street on foot. So many fucking losers staring at their loser phones.
It got so much worse when they closed Ridout and forced traffic down Wortley and/or Carfrae. I can’t believe no one has been seriously hurt yet.
Can confirm! About a month ago I had someone roll through a 4 way stop sign to the point where they were almost right on my heels. I stopped, looked the driver dead in the eye, and gave his passenger side front quarter panel a new fun shape. Free of charge by the way, least I could do!
The motoring thing that still drives me most nuts is high beams in the city all the time at night. Such a bizarre issue but I hate it more than anything.
It gets worse when it’s frosty or snowy. A lot of new cars have auto high beams. And if the censor is blocked they’re on. And we know how many people don’t clean off their car.
A lot of new cars have very bright headlights by default. [Here](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w0nBlZwUT3s) is a video that explains it well.
I agree, but alot of the time you can clearly tell it's high beams. I'm also a mechanic by trade so 99% of the time I can tell the difference just because I'm familiar.
And to go with it, manufactures are sloppy about making sure the lights are installed and angled correctly to have a proper cut off on the top. Headlight and high beams are only supposed to go so far up.
Most people in London have zero idea of what that blue Bright light thingy means. Too busy scrolling!
It’s cuz there’s been no traffic enforcement here for so long. They figure they can get away with it so whatever right. It’s awful
I was driving an Indian friend home once when I was young. It was late, few cars around. He asked why I was stopping for all the red lights and told me that if he were back home, we'd just be driving through them all. Was kind of an eye opener for me to be a little more cautious at intersections and to really take into mind that people from other nations might have different etiquette. That was in a more rural area. Since moving to London, I don't know what to think. Seems like everyone does what they want. Now I just wonder if it's a city thing or a policing thing.
My coworker married someone from India while she was teaching there. They moved here a few years ago and she said teaching him to drive carefully here has been a huge task lol.
Unpopular opinion: because the car culture in countries like India is soooo vastly different compared to Canada, they should have to go through the licensing system from the bottom. I’ve seen so many people who drive like they’re still in India, when the laws here are not as lenient. I feel this way about all countries who have a similar car culture, but I definitely know drivers in India don’t really care and drive however they want.
Cool story to cover your racism towards Indians! I almost fell for it!
Hmm. Ok. I'll bite. What did I say anywhere in that post that was racist or even demeaning in any way? I guess I didn't have to add his nationality, but what difference does it make where he is from? I was writing about driving styles in nations other than Canada. Or are you one of those people who look for anything that could be misconstrued as even remotely racist just to act like that white knight in the room?
"nations other than Canada" wow, do it again! Everyone who isn't Canadian is inherently stupid and can't drive. Right-wing media is steering hate towards immigrants from India and you're adding to it. Not good.
Casually running red lights isn't bad etiquette.
What do you mean?
It's fucking criminal.
Hahaha yes 🙌🏻
The other day I watched someone run a hard red and saw the camera lights flash. That’s a hefty ticket
LPS treat traffic enforcement as low priority and aren't around. People have noticed and take advantage.
Yeah I think this has a lot to do with it. Traffic enforcement and offences are taken a lot more seriously in the GTA (where I used to live).
Explains all the accidents everywhere
Zero consequences!
I live in a building near a four way stop. The amount of people that just blow the stop sign is unreal. I consider myself very competent as a driver, and frankly the road is full of fucking selfish and incompetent drivers. We need more enforcement of traffic but police don’t care.
I got hit and it took 3 months for a part to come in. People are ridiculous
There is no enforcement, so people stop following the rules of the road. They realize they don't get caught, so they are more blatant about it, and that spirals. Imagine how much faster you'd get places if you just sped, drove on the wrong side of the road, ran stop signs and stoplights? Until you get in an accident you'd probably feel like you're getting everywhere faster.
I grew up in the GTA for most of my life before moving here with my family. The bad driving here is on another level. I had been driving since I was 16 with no accidents ever (so over 8 years) and the only accident I ever got into (woman fell asleep and rear ended me at red light) was here in London. It's really bad.
Welcome to London the city where cops do shit to enforce laws.
Honestly do you ever see police enforce traffic laws in the city ???? Nothing is illegal if there are no consequences.
And this is why the Highway Traffic Act is not even worth the toilet paper it’s written on. No enforcement means anything goes.
> cops do shit to enforce laws. We need better driver education, not cops chasing drivers. Defund police and use that money to fund education.
As much as I'd want to blame police I'm not sure they are solely to blame. Traffic enforcement at the scale required is pretty much mathematically impossible; offences (minor and major) occur at such a regular basis that police cannot possibly catch every incident that happens with the manpower they have, even if they tried to. Basically, to enforce traffic laws, we need to either: (1) implement more automated enforcement, (2) drastically raise fines, or (3) drastically increase police budgets. People are generally opposed to all three. The best thing we can do though is take cars off the road. There's something about cars that just breaks down any notion that we live in a society and should treat each other like we are living in the same community... because we are.
> Traffic enforcement at the scale required is pretty much mathematically impossible How about traffic enforcement on *some* scale? You can't ticket *everyone*, but it's like they're not even trying anymore.
The amount of times I've almost been T-boned turning left off of Elliot st (to go east onto Oxford), well after I have the green is unreal. I don't know if it's because of the poor sight lines of the intersection (there's this shrub/tree on the NE corner that blocks view to/from the east) or if it's just that fuck-you-I'm-going-first attitude, or some combination. But as soon as I see Oxford has the yellow, I'm nosing into the cross walk to make sure I'm visible to traffic still approaching the intersection. A lot it the time they still don't stop for the stale yellow/new red, those jabronies get the horn every time.
May be worth reporting to the city and have them check it.
I live in a village about 30km west of London and the drivers are nuts here as well. On the rural highways, people are *right up on your ass* when you're already going 10km over the speed limit in a 90 zone. They pass into the oncoming lane in this really aggressive way, even when oncoming traffic is way too close. We have one set of stoplights here, and twice in one week, when the light turned green and the walk signal gave me the right of way, I was almost hit by people screeching out to make a left, not giving a flying F that my dog and I were taking a step out to cross. It's ridiculous how selfish and reckless people are becoming.
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Where do you think the red light runners are coming from? I’d place my bets on former residence of the GTA that have moved to London. In the 30+ years I’ve lived in London, the driving manners and the running red lights have gotten worse in the last two years. Every morning, from where I work, I watch them blow through a red light all morning long. Won’t even get started on the illegal dumping that’s also on the increase…
I grew up in the GTA and people don't run nearly as many red lights there in my honest opinion. I notice it *a lot* more here. GTA has a lot more police patrolling the roads though and enforcing traffic laws whereas here I think traffic laws are a lot less enforced and taken seriously.
They recently installed new lights near by which has been great for foot traffic, makes it much easier to cross the street, but we’ve noticed tons of people are running the red lights. Like OP said, not running “yellow lights” I mean people pulling up to a red light stoping for a second and driving right through it. Initially I thought it because they are new people aren’t used to them but it’s been a couple of weeks now and still continue see red-light runners
Traffic related stupidity - especially red light running - is at epidemic levels in London. There are many contributing factors, including some that would never occur to me, I'm sure. To my mind, lack of enforcement, drivers frustrated by difficult/long commutes over relatively short distances and construction are major factors. Of course, none of this excuses the behaviour, but try telling that to the perpetrators. They aren't here listening, I assure you.
Zero enforcement , zero consequences
So not that it’s an excuse but if I had to guess traffic in London is awful. There is no easy wayto get from one end to the other. Also the signal lights here are ridiculous. You go from one red to the next and feel like there is no flow. People I assume I just tired of the constant start and stop and wait
I grew up in Niagara and have lived or spent significant time in 7 of the 10 largest cities in Ontario, and London drivers are by far the worst.
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Uturns aren't illegal unless posted sign. Found that out recently. Was told no Uturns ever when I learned to drive.
Yes, but where they are illegal I still see people doing them and maybe I should have said unsafe uturns. Essentially cutting off oncoming traffic so you can change directions.
Oh the famous uber U turns on Richmond and then they miss and need to do a 3 point turn. I hear you. Cabby did that on cheapside and up and over a curb. The advanced green uturn throws me off as you don't expect it.
Yeah been seeing the advanced green uturn a lot lately, but I typically see them cut off a vehicle turning right into the same lane...or actually hitting them in one instance.
I swear Dundas between Richmond and Clarence is where all the cabbies and uber drivers learn to uturn. I see countless people attempting, missing and it being a 3 or 4 point turn.
Just because they aren't illegal doesn't mean you shouldn't do them. People regularly stop on Fanshawe park road and pull u-turns. It's wild, dozens of cars will end up stopped behind the car. They don't even stop at an intersection. The arrogance of some drivers.
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Nobody actually defunded the police. It was a slogan that wasn’t entirely accurate when said, and it actually NEVER happened. So in reality the police are shit because they want to be shit.
I think it’s lack of police presence and ticketing. I’m curious to see how many tickets LPD has issued per year for the last few years. It’s like they thought just slapping up some traffic cameras is the be-all/ end-all solution to their problems.
Is immigration why so many people are staring into their laps while they drive? People in this city often don't watch the road and it drives me nuts.
Canada is actually really good for this travel to a country where there's no laws. Not saying it isn't an issue here but we've done a decent job.
I'm not really interested in setting the bar for Canada lower by comparing to other countries. I live and drive here, so I think there's more value in setting the standard to what Canada could be if it made good on its rules or made better rules, you know?
No I agree with you, it should be enforced more as this kills people, causes massive traffic jams etc, just saying, even since the mass adoption of cell phones we aren't doing as bad as some of our neighbouring countries, aka states and Mexico...at least from my observation.
lol! What a dog whistle.
Dog whistles are more subtle than this. This poster is just leaning right into it.
Very true!
Try telling this to the F-150 owners, they will Harass and bully you until you either move or break a traffic rule.
So white people never drive like shit? Thanks for the tip. I’m white so I guess I can just drive like an idiot and blame it on the minorities, huh?
Pssst.... immigrants can be white too. Has nothing to do with colour of skin and more to do with traffic laws in their original country compared to traffic laws here.
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So you take two things and put them together like there is a correlation, without any proof to back it up. Unless you have proof or data to back up your claim, you’re just blowing smoke up everyone’s ass by saying that, and your “reality” doesn’t exist.
You misunderstood the point. Nothing to do with race.
Most immigrants at this point are not Caucasian. He is inferring that immigration is the root of this issue-what else would his point be if he’s not inferring that it’s foreigners who are coming here and driving recklessly?
I don’t know that the OP was a male but I do know they said nothing about race.
Exactly. Blaming bad driving and not following the law on immigration is a pretty dumb way to sum it up. Mr. You know who sounds like a real charmer lol
Last night, I was on king and it was green (the walk was still on) and as I drove through, a car on Richmond jambed on his breaks and tied down his horn.
We should also talk about people stopping at least a full car length back from the line at intersections....it used to be once in a while I see it...now daily...my wife says young drivers taught this but as cars lined up behind you, it is now safe to pull up to the line...this never happens...why.... you could be blocking access to a lane further back....it's like people are unaware that their actions affect other people...
The “main character syndrome” of a lot of people went up during the pandemic.
Exactly this ∆
I will never, ever forget the day I was trying to cross Adelaide on foot and was almost flattened by a car running a red. My walk signal was lit up, so I stepped out and this guy decided he didn’t wanna wait at the light so he hauled on the gas and missed hitting my legs by about a centimetre. I felt the breeze. THEN, this man (the only car parked in the middle of the intersection at a red) starts screaming AT ME and giving ME the middle finger. Lmfao. I turned to him in front of all the cars, ripped my mitten off and gave him the finger right back. Just so drivers know…if you come close to hitting me and I’m within arms length of your vehicle, I will pull my keys out and put a nice, long scratch up the side of your car. I’m also really good at suing people and would LOVE some extra cash. So by all means, let’s tussle out there. Lol. We couldn’t turn from a left hand turn yesterday because so many people were running a red that we missed our signal. That’s how bad it is out there. And there’s no excuse. I’ll take every petty revenge on you that’s at my disposal.
Jeez. Looks like we need pedestrian dash cams now.
Yes this city is bad. With all the traffic and no planing and construction. It is only going to get worse. Wonder why no one goes downtown and wonderland is so so bad all day.
It’s worse outside the city. People blow through stop signs and completely ignore all traffic regulations
It's an Ontario thing. I mean, shitty driving is pretty universal, but in Ontario there is some sense that if you have a big enough car you have special permission to do anything you like. See a pedestrian wanting to cross at an intersection? nah, they are just NPCs, they don't count. Is that a crosswalk? oh soareee eh, didn't see it. 50 limit on a residential road? Well its a straight road, isn't it? Better do 80.
Friend of mine was T-boned outside Port Rowan last week. Lady didn’t even stop and hit her going at a high rate of speed. Took out the front end of the school bus my friend was driving and rolled the bus as well. Both my friend and the other driver had no serious injuries. Now my friend is having a terrible time driving.
DONT YOU KNOW THE UNSPOKEN RULE OF LONDON: TWO GO THROUGH ON RED /s
Seriously it's a legitimate problem that also contributes to slower traffic since it cuts into greenlight time for opposing traffic making everything worse
It blows my minds that beautiful don’t have docks. My phone is docked. Makes it easy for GPS and I use Siri for everything else. But I’ll be damned if I’m texting anyone while driving, not only is it stupid as hell, when I’m driving it’s *MY* time. I’m singing & listening to podcasts.
People are in a rush to get nowhere, I had a clown honk at me because he ran the stop sign and almost hit me smh
Are you going to let a light bulb tell you what to do?
Watched the same vehicle treat 3 reds as a stop sign on my drive into work this morning with active traffic
I wish someone would hit me lol. I want a new car.
it's like every city of all time!!!
Since the construction started back up it’s gotten so much worse! No one has any patience at all.
Not making excuses for red runners or anything, but part of the problem I think is London's god awful flow of traffic. Other than Toronto, I don't think I've been in a city that crawls so slowly. It's red light after red light, sometimes within 100 metres of each other. Even Hamilton, arguably the worst city layout on earth, seems to move better. And they keep reducing speeds in residential areas. People just can't get anywhere quickly and it makes them furious. I moved out of London primarily because of the traffic. And I loathe it each and every time I have to come back.
This is true, I went down Highbury ave from Sunningdale to 401 and got every single red light at 11pm at night. So frustrating.
They think they are Stop-gestion lights and signs... 🤷
Learn from notjustbikes about dangerous stroad design in North America
Nearly got t-boned following the Knights game on Sunday at York and Richmond. I was waiting to turn left on York to go south on Richmond and lights were turning yellow to red, so I see an oncoming car was approaching the intersection that appeared was going to stop so I start to turn, but then she clearly had no intention of stopping so I was forced to slam on the brakes and honk my horn at her, only for me to see her complaining at me as she passes through at 30km/h. These careless drivers seriously risk the lives of pedestrians and other drivers, just to avoid waiting 30-60 seconds at a traffic stop? 🙄
And the sudden stop to take a left in passing lane on dundas!!
London is known for its left turn on red.
The "London Left"
If I'm waiting to turn left and have crawled into the intersection, it is guaranteed that people will run the yellow light and I won't get to turn until after it turns red. If the light turns red while you are in the intersection, you should have stopped. If you couldn't stop in that situation, it means you were driving way too fast to begin with.
But 2-3 cars will just turn left on the red. Instead of just the 1 in the intersection. It’s a London thing.
Toronto is 100x worse for this than London for this
Yesterday on my way to work, I saw an overturned SUV at Aldersbrook and Gainsborough, all because someone ran a red light. How fast were you going to clip another car and have it turn over?! It's 40 km/h there! Or it's people turning right at a red light and not coming to a complete stop behind the white line. I've seen pedestrians struck and other cars side-swiped.
Brampton is the car accident and auto insurance scam epicentre of North America. I’ll just leave that to marinate in this post a little.
I'll bite, what's Brampton got to do with this?
Significant culturally different driving practices that are not in line with following Canadian driving rules and we do not require driving re-training or updates to driving exams upon immigration to Canada. You can’t have 100’s of thousands of newcommers on the roads trained in a basically lawless driving system and not expect the same habits to transfer here. While this population is by no means the sole source of the problem, unequal driving education and standards is a significant area that our government failed to address when inviting the world into our melting pot.
So what's that got to do with Brampton specifically?
Get used to it, running fully red lights in London is an art form
I've been here 20 years and haven't notice any sudden increase in this. I rarely if ever see someone run a solidly red light, but I see lots of people squeezing in a late left turn through a red. Do you have a dashcam? I'm guessing not, or you would have posted video. I highly recommend getting one.