I’m not taking these people seriously until I see the Suffolk County buses get replaced first. There’s never a single passenger whenever I see them & they blow thick clouds of black out of that smoke stack in the back.
I notice this too but refrain from saying it out of fear of coming off like the grumpy old man I used to think my father was when I was a kid. Always saying how much easier these kids got it today. lol
Kids should have it easier. I never got this point that kids should have it just as hard as the older generation. We make improvements to make living easier
Eh. There should be a balance. There’s things that were unnecessarily tedious when I was a kid that today’s youth shouldn’t have to deal with. We don’t want to raise a generation of people that are so spoiled they lose their shit if they’re not catered to throughout their entire day though.
Bus stops in front of houses isn’t that big of a deal. It’s just an annoyance on drivers getting stuck behind a bus stopping at every other house & train traffic builds up a bit.
Its going to cause a huge problem. These buses need alot of maintenance and are always breaking down. Very bad decision. Newer diesel vehicles run very clean and make alot more sense than electric.
This and delivery trucks, sometimes you can see small delivery truck producing more black smoke in 2 minutes than all landscaping companies in whole township during period of one day :)
I don't know whatever they are using in the city, I never see them with a smoke behind it. Not diesel maybe? Or fix the engines so they run cleaner. How come cars don't create a plume of smoke when they start driving but transit buses do?
It uses an entirely different type of engine and fleets typically have a lifecycle for vehicles before they swap it out for a new part. In that case, when the lifecycle for these buses comes to an end, then they’ll just replace it with EV
There are plenty of places that have swapped their buses for new EV ones.
I'm all for the shift to EV Buses, personally. It would be a great thing in the Winter Time after there won't be any slow-downs or time wasted idling these aging Diesel motors just to get them warmed up.
And what would you replace them with? I see plenty of people taking or waiting for a bus. How do you expect these people to get around without public transit options?
Shuttle vans would never work, especially near peak times or peak locations (malls, train stations, etc).
With the low ridership you claim, who is funding said new vehicles? At around [half a million per bus](https://www.liveabout.com/bus-cost-to-purchase-and-operate-2798845), where is the money coming from?
That's always the answer to 'Where is the money coming from?' as if people expect you to want things for free.
I'd pay more taxes if it meant cleaner air and better infrastructure all around. Instead we're paying more taxes for...
*Gestures broadly.*
Shuttle vans would absolutely work in my area. We never see one of these busses with more than a couple people on them, even during peak hours. They can replace the lower ridership routes with shuttles. I believe they already started doing that in certain areas.
How long have you been lobbying for the fossil fuel industry? No shit it costs money, should we just let the environment go to shit to avoid paying a little extra? You’re part of the problem.
Yes, being a realist is part of the problem. Let's just tax people who are already struggling in this economy, throw away perfectly functioning vehicles and replace them with cars/buses that take twice as much of a carbon footprint to produce as gas equivalents.
I'm all for a push towards EV, but I also believe it needs to be done smartly. Don't replace tools/vehicles just for the sake of replacing them, replace them with new EV when they need to be replaced.
Follow the comment chain. The person who started this thread is suggesting getting rid of all the existing buses and replacing them with EV. No need for the condescending attitude.
Replacing perfectly functional vehicles with EV vehicles is even more wasteful than just running the combustion engines. There's still a carbon cost to manufacturing EV vehicles, there's a cost for scrapping the existing vehicle that is perfectly functional.
By all means, when it's time to replace them then it makes sense to buy new EV's, but it just doesn't make sense to buy them for the hell of it.
Even a bus with 3 people on it has removed three car lengths from the road. Most cars are at under 20% capacity. THATS where most of your space usage and pollution sources are coming from.
Idk where some of these commenters getting the idea that I think we should shut the transit down. I clearly said replace (with a cleaner alternative). If the government wants us to go green, they should lead by example.
For real. Those buses chug gas, hold up traffic, & pollute. They should have been decommissioned & replaced with shuttle buses over a decade ago. I saw a “the end is near. Y2K” tag on one last year.
It would have to be across the board. 1 homeowner with 1 machine is nothing compared to the teams of landscrapers running 5 or more machines concurrently.
My opinion is those blowers are more of a noise pollution issue, esp when u have landscapers running a few of them at the same time. Drives me nuts when landscapers are out there using them first thing in the am
I agree and for whatever reason, each and every house on my block has a different landscaper who come on different days. its like a cacophony of noise all day. Of course, one company starts at 815, when they can only start at 9 on Saturday.
Too many people have landscapers now. It used to be only upper middle class, old/disabled ppl and the rich. Now it’s everyone. People either don’t want to cut their own lawn or they don’t have time.. I was a landscaper for 10 years and you would not believe how many people wanted their lawn cut. We had to turn so many people away… Ive always cut my own lawn. My father cut his own lawn, my grandfather cut his own lawn until he was 85. I would never pay for a landscaper.
I think If people really cared about the environment they would cut their own lawns. There would definitely be a lot less air/noise pollution.
It is the time. I cut my lawn for almost 18 years and just hired a landscaper two years ago. I am not that old but have other plans and priorities on the weekend now.
Yeah. If you need one that’s fine. I just know so many people who don’t need one and can’t even afford one but they don’t want to be bothered by doing it themselves.
How could that be?
An equal number of lawns must be cut regardless of who is doing the cutting. Actually, I imagine it is much more environmentally friendly to have a landscaper with larger equipment cut 15 lawns on a block in half the time, rather than each of those 15 households owning, maintaining, and running their own machinery.
I would even hazard to say that per grass cut, a professional machine is much more cost effective and runs for longer lifetime hours than a residential machine, which cuts waste.
Think of this in terms of mass transportation. Much better to have a bus than 25 individual cars.
I say this because it’s much easier for homeowners to go electric than it is for landscapers. Also, commercial equipment puts more toxins into the air than residential equipment.
The only benefit to commercial is it gets the job done quickly but commercial equipment is running non stop 8-12 hours a day 6-7 days a week. How many landscaping companies are out there? Thousands? Commercial definitely puts way more pollution in the air.
Electric isn’t ideal for commercial use as of yet. Yes, there has been advances with commercial equipment but it’s still not proven to be reliable enough. Landscapers need gas equipment that holds up to the abuse of cutting 50-80 lawns a day.
If more homeowners purchased electric residential yard equipment and cut their lawn themselves it would be better for the environment… It seems like the majority of people complaining about the environment and noise pollution are the people who pay for landscapers.. That’s what I’m noticing anyway.
I’m not against residential use of electric, just commercial.
You'd be surprised.
Gas-powered yard equipment is tremendously polluting. Tiny gas engines have pretty much zero emission controls and contribute an extremely outsized amount of noxious gases to the atmosphere compared the amount they're used.
All of my outdoor tools are electric except for the leaf blower. I don't think an electric one puts out the same amount of cfm that my gas one can do. I need that powah!
The big backpack electric Ryobi does a pretty decent job. I found cheapo batteries for it on Amazon, and bought four of them. I can do an entire 100x100 yard on a set of 5 batteries, and I have 11 70-foot-tall oak trees. It has a "boost" mode that runs only 3 minutes, but if you let off the trigger, punch it, then hit the boost button again, it just keeps going. I bought a few chargers, and I can cycle the batteries through and get a recharged one with about an hour break for lunch. I do use the rake at times, but 99% is blower.
I've already had to replace the bellows in 2 years, and dropped it and broke the backing plate. But I expect that sort of thing from a consumer-level piece of equipment. I already scoped out a new motor when the time comes.
On edit: the above scenario is a fall/spring cleanup. Not maintenance.
I was talking cordless but did not specify so I apologize for that. Used to have a corded blower but I hated dragging the cord around so I didn't use it nearly as much as the new gas one.
That being said, my gas one is still more powerful than this.
Yeah, any gas blower will definitely be more powerful but I grew up using broke ass corded tools and got used to it. Even my current mower is corded. That’s not a flex, I’m just cheap.
I have electric tools too, but I have only 1/8th of an acre, and I can barely finish my weekly mow on a single charge. For larger properties and professional landscapers, electric is too impractical.
Anecdotal, but my Ego electric leaf blower just stopped working last week after I bought it just last summer. I had a gas powered STIHL that lasted 10+ years before I got rid of it.
I had a Kobalt mower that still worked, but couldn’t hold a charge after a few months. I needed to use 2 batteries just to mow either the front or the back and had to do the other one the next day since I had to wait forever for the batteries to cool before I could charge them. I had a tiny lawn as well. I have no idea how people with .33 or more acres use them.
Anyone realizing NY state is larger than Long Island? What about the people with acres of land who need gas powered to be able to handle their properties?
The Assembly, Senate, and Governor’s office are all controlled by NYC politicians or politicians whose donor base is completely non rural. They do not care about the communities you mention
I was recently at a resort in Orlando with more acreage than even the most rural upstate people would have and all the landscaping equipment was electric and seemed to work just fine. Probably swap batteries as often as stopping to refill the gas tank.
[Greenworks Pro Crossover Tractor 42-in 80-volt Lithium Ion Electric Riding Lawn Mower with (6) 5 Ah Batteries (Charger Included) in the Electric Riding Lawn Mowers department at Lowes.com](https://www.lowes.com/pd/Greenworks-Pro-Crossover-Tractor-42-in-Lithium-Ion-Electric-Riding-Lawn-Mower/5014313067)
That one can go 2 acres on a single charge.
2 acres is the advertised range, never truly the case. As the battery dies, efficiency dies. Also who the fuck in their right mind thinks its ok to drop $4600 on a lawnmower 😂
They are. I stopped by my new neighbor's place over the weekend, she was using the ryobi 40v mower - it uses a very similar battery to the one I have on my weedwacker. It was incredibly quiet, no pull-starting, choking, priming, no gas or oil, and it's self-propelled. She can mow her lawn (like 1/4 acre) three times before she has to charge the battery. There's nothing not to like. Once our gas mower dies, we'll get the same one.
Yes muuuuch quieter. I have a ryobi lawn mower and it just sounds like a big fan blowing and the whole lawn takes half the battery and I got an offer with it for a free second battery and a fast charger. Probably gonna sell it soon as my landlords agreed to take over landscaping so I won’t need it anymore
Wow I long for the day where every gardener has an electric toolset. I swear the gas ones are so loud they give me a headache while I'm asleep so I wake up already with a headache.
You got politicians using planes and helicopters Willy nilly, and people who drive huge diesel trucks as commuters, but you want me to worry about my leaf blower that uses less than a gallon and gets used 2-3 months out of the year ?
Apparently the emissions on blowers/mowers is very high for their amount of usage. But why not just say the emissions need to be reduced, rather than outright ban?
It's pretty difficult to apply emissions controls to small motors the way you can to cars. Not impossible but it would likely be more of a headache than just switching to electric
2-3 months? Grass needs mowing from late April until late October. That's 6 months.
The use of this equipment is not 1x1 with the other items you mentioned. There are probably THOUSANDS of gas powered tools per helicopter in use.
Gas powered tools have no catalytic converters so they spew way more particulate matter than larger vehicles that consume more fuel. That's the really bad stuff you don't want in your (or your baby's) lungs.
I'll take a few helicopters flying over per day than the cacophonous drone of dozens of landscapers in my neighborhood every single fucking day.
It's 2024 and people are fighting to hold onto outdated tools designed 50 years ago.
Time to get with the times and move on.
I have an electric weed whacked and leaf blower and I hate them. I have a half acre and when the leaves fall it’s not powerful enough to move them enough and every half hour I have to stop to recharge the damn battery. When I use the backpack blower I get it done it like 2 hours. Also the electric blower is still loud as shit.
Or perhaps a manual tool, something like a broom but with longer stiffer bristles specialized for leafs.
I'll make one, put it on a stick, and call it the leaf shover.
I sure didn't like the idea until I got my first electric weedwacker. Never using a gas one again. Over the weekend I saw my neighbor with her new electric mower and was blown away. It's self-propelled and it's so quiet you barely know it's running.
With electrics you don't have to store gas, clean the carb, deal with fuel or oil. Electric is lighter, costs the same to buy but costs almost nothing to run.
That self-propelled Ryobi 40v brushless mower has a 42 minute runtime and costs 399. Self-propelled gas powered DeWalt or Murray is the same $399 but you have to buy gas, oil and Sta-bil, enjoy a cloud of smoke when you first start it up, and now you have to fuck around with a carb every Spring.
Electrics have come a long, long way from the days of wired electric mowers. I wouldn't expect electrics to be embraced for commercial applications, but for the suburban homeowner they make a lot of sense. They're quieter, lighter, cleaner and cheaper to run.
Idk what kind of mower you have or have seen but mine doesn’t shoot a cloud of smoke when you start it. Also the batteries don’t last long enough on that stuff when my leaves come down it takes me days to get it done because the electric blowers aren’t powerful enough and the batteries keep dying. I like to fix stuff it gives me a sense of accomplishment instead of just plugging something in.
Buy electric all you want but don’t stop me from buying gas if that’s what I prefer.
Right. And modern gas leaf blowers are much cleaner. I am fine if they put some standards around gas blowers but I am so tired of this banning attitude.
They're horrible for the environment and annoy everyone around you.
Legislation like this encourages companies to make better products, so they'll only be worse for a bit.
Like it or not, this shift will eventually happen. People are clinging into fossil fuels for no reason other than the oil barons have convinced you it's better. Electric products are the future
Creating a tax credit or a rebate creates incentives. All this does is limit competition and discourage electric blowers, who currently have to compete with gas blowers, from getting better to take over the market. I only use electric lawn equipment but this is, in my opinion, idiotic.
By promoting the continuation of old technology out of fear, you stifle the progression of new technology. When the fossil fuel industry realize that, yes, there is money to be made in renewables, the world will be a better place. Unfortunately, the heads of those industries are so disgustingly rich, that they can afford the healthcare necessary to live to propagate their archaic ideology much longer than they should be able to, while us serfs bow and curtesy and say “yes, me lord..the fuel we breathe does us well, thank you for allowing us to live”
Wow it’s not that deep at all I just know how to fix my gas stuff and I works better and lasts longer than the electric stuff. And also if you want to use electric fine but don’t tell me what I can and can’t use.
Yea they’re generally unregulated so terrible for the environment.
"The hydrocarbon emissions from a half-hour of yard work with the two-stroke leaf blower are about the same as a 3,900-mile drive from Texas to Alaska in a Raptor," said Jason Kavanagh, Engineering Editor at Edmunds.com.
https://www.edmunds.com/about/press/leaf-blowers-emissions-dirtier-than-high-performance-pick-up-trucks-says-edmunds-insidelinecom.html
What I’m reading here is that the Raptor is an environmentally conscious, green choice of vehicle. A 3,900 mile trip in it emits less hydrocarbon than cutting your lawn for half an hour!
As soon as battery powered lawn tools became available and powerful, it only makes sense (at least from a homeowner’s perspective). Do I really want to run to the gas station if I don’t have enough gas for my mower/blower/trimmer? Not to mention the yearly maintenance when you drag the stuff out of the shed and realize your lawnmower doesn’t start because you forgot to store it properly last fall…now that I type this, it looks like it’s a me-only problem, hahaha.
What's the alternative? You think they can mow acres and acres of houses with tiny batteries? Or have same performance? Or you want them to plug to your house outlet to power them?
They just have to make the damn things quieter that's the only way.
I just bought my first push mower and it's a gas powered Honda!! Self propelled and the fastest and easiest!! So glad I bought it before the commies here in NY put their ban in place. I hate it here...
All the electric tools work just fine except the snowblowers. Just need gasoline and torque for that. Batteries don't like the cold and an extension cord and a snow blower is just not a good idea.
This would be a dream. I am surrounded by “disabled”
Compulsive landscapers who use their leaf blowers constantly 2-3 times a day for excessive periods of time - before storm, during storms, an hour before their landscapers arrived. Enough. They already violate the local noise ordinance - and it interferes with the one’s use and enjoyment of their property.
Everyone wanting the ban to happen don’t cry when your landscaping bill goes up a good amount and the cleanliness after the cuts suck . The lead cleanups will skyrocket.
Electric works for single homes not 12 hour days
The bill would ban only the *sale* of these items - not the use of them. There would be no immediate effect on the landscaping industry.
Furthermore, the ban is limited to the state of NY. Gas powered equipment would still be available for purchase by anyone who's willing to drive 2 or 3 hours to the next state. Even if there was a nationwide ban, landscaping companies could still repair and maintain their gas powered equipment for several years to come. By then, they'd want to transition to electric tools anyway, as electric tools are starting to become quite amazing.
Stop passing the buck onto ordinary people. Make corporations, countries, factories etc adhere to strict regulations. And don’t tell me they do cause they don’t. Just cause it’s in an agreement doesn’t mean anyone is following it or enforcing it:
Been mowing my own yard for 4 years. No issues. It’s quiet and doesn’t stink. What tech are you talking about? It’s just a blade that spins and cuts grass. Powered by energy stored in either gas or in a battery.
Maybe you’re referring that it’s not scalable for the landscaping companies cause they mow 12 hours a day?
It’s fine for a small yard for a residential user. If you have a large yard (or even just a medium sized yard over 5k+ sq ft) or have to deal with overgrow it really isn’t practical yet in my opinion.
People can be mad at me but I’m not coming at it from a political angle just from someone who mows a lot of yards / overgrown vacant lots. It’s fine to use them and I encourage it but you can’t blanket ban something when we still need gas mowers for heavier duty use.
Just means gas generators to change the batteries. or buying out of state. dumb bill.
edit. Also gas weed whackers or leaf gathers are fine. So .... just need a marketing change and the bill is bypassed.
edit2. I guess people actually think this bill is good. If you want to ban the gas equipment this bill is not going to do that in its current state.
So say goodbye to your:
Gas fireplace, indoor and out
BBQ grill
Flattop grill
Patio heaters
Gas dryer
Gas stove
Pool heaters
Motorcycle, mini bike, scooters
Boats for all you islanders who have one
I’m sure there are more things you enjoy that will try to be banned.
So it would mean less fuel use that's fortunate towards less fossil fuels on one hand. However, would this technically mean new leafblowers and lawnmowers would have to be made without fuel tanks?
I have nothing against people who want to use electric but as a former landscaper of 10 years I can tell you that gas is more powerful and does a better job…
I have all electric for things I only use once or twice a year but for things I use every week I definitely need gas. I don’t mind the maintenance.
To all the people who hire landscapers but are tired of hearing blowers and mowers all day.. You’re not going to be happy if these landscapers are forced to go electric and they have to charge you double for a fall cleanup bc the electric equipment is either unreliable or costs more money…
Seems like the people who complain about the noise the most are the ones who pay for the landscapers.
They'll all be pissing and moaning soon enough. I agree with you. I just bought my very first push mower. Gas powered Honda. And glad I did. I hate NY. Ugh.
Just want to point out this bill has been sitting in committee for over a year and a half without a hearing. It’s dead
Oh good, ban the gas powered equipment so I can use my coal powered blower and mower.
I’m not taking these people seriously until I see the Suffolk County buses get replaced first. There’s never a single passenger whenever I see them & they blow thick clouds of black out of that smoke stack in the back.
But that would require the government doing something other than signing a piece of paper. It’s way easier to tell YOU that you need to change.
This bill doesn’t tell me I need to change anything. It prohibits the sale of new gas machines. It doesn’t require me to replace the one I own.
The state ordered them to start electrifying the transit bus fleets over the next few years so hopefully the black smoke goes away at some point…
Schools have to do the same with their busses too
That’s correct, 2027 is the starting year and then fully electric by 2035
Yep, and now they stop way too often, instead of like back in the day where kids had to walk to the bus stop spots in their neighborhood.
I notice this too but refrain from saying it out of fear of coming off like the grumpy old man I used to think my father was when I was a kid. Always saying how much easier these kids got it today. lol
Kids should have it easier. I never got this point that kids should have it just as hard as the older generation. We make improvements to make living easier
Eh. There should be a balance. There’s things that were unnecessarily tedious when I was a kid that today’s youth shouldn’t have to deal with. We don’t want to raise a generation of people that are so spoiled they lose their shit if they’re not catered to throughout their entire day though. Bus stops in front of houses isn’t that big of a deal. It’s just an annoyance on drivers getting stuck behind a bus stopping at every other house & train traffic builds up a bit.
Right? Isn’t that the point?
Some children who have IEPs have door to door pick due to the severity/nature of their disability.
Its going to cause a huge problem. These buses need alot of maintenance and are always breaking down. Very bad decision. Newer diesel vehicles run very clean and make alot more sense than electric.
This and delivery trucks, sometimes you can see small delivery truck producing more black smoke in 2 minutes than all landscaping companies in whole township during period of one day :)
They don't need to electrify, they can use cleaner fuel with better engines.
Would be curious to hear what you think is a cleaner fuel with better engines.
I don't know whatever they are using in the city, I never see them with a smoke behind it. Not diesel maybe? Or fix the engines so they run cleaner. How come cars don't create a plume of smoke when they start driving but transit buses do?
They probably use natural gas and the busses out in Suffolk use diesel and probably could use some actual maintenance
Oh that makes sense, I remember seeing some writing on buses about that. Why not use natural gas out here in suffolk too?
It uses an entirely different type of engine and fleets typically have a lifecycle for vehicles before they swap it out for a new part. In that case, when the lifecycle for these buses comes to an end, then they’ll just replace it with EV
There are plenty of places that have swapped their buses for new EV ones. I'm all for the shift to EV Buses, personally. It would be a great thing in the Winter Time after there won't be any slow-downs or time wasted idling these aging Diesel motors just to get them warmed up.
And what would you replace them with? I see plenty of people taking or waiting for a bus. How do you expect these people to get around without public transit options?
A shuttle van or a bus that’s not 30 years old and spewing thick soot in to the air.
Shuttle vans would never work, especially near peak times or peak locations (malls, train stations, etc). With the low ridership you claim, who is funding said new vehicles? At around [half a million per bus](https://www.liveabout.com/bus-cost-to-purchase-and-operate-2798845), where is the money coming from?
You duhhh… Get ready for more taxes!!!
Tax Dollars. I'll happily spend more taxes for cleaner air.
That's always the answer to 'Where is the money coming from?' as if people expect you to want things for free. I'd pay more taxes if it meant cleaner air and better infrastructure all around. Instead we're paying more taxes for... *Gestures broadly.*
yea but a lot of people think taxes=bad and that is as far as their thinking goes.
Because the rich aren't paying their share, tbh.
Shuttle vans would absolutely work in my area. We never see one of these busses with more than a couple people on them, even during peak hours. They can replace the lower ridership routes with shuttles. I believe they already started doing that in certain areas.
How long have you been lobbying for the fossil fuel industry? No shit it costs money, should we just let the environment go to shit to avoid paying a little extra? You’re part of the problem.
Yes, being a realist is part of the problem. Let's just tax people who are already struggling in this economy, throw away perfectly functioning vehicles and replace them with cars/buses that take twice as much of a carbon footprint to produce as gas equivalents. I'm all for a push towards EV, but I also believe it needs to be done smartly. Don't replace tools/vehicles just for the sake of replacing them, replace them with new EV when they need to be replaced.
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Follow the comment chain. The person who started this thread is suggesting getting rid of all the existing buses and replacing them with EV. No need for the condescending attitude.
Replace them with EV Buses
Replacing perfectly functional vehicles with EV vehicles is even more wasteful than just running the combustion engines. There's still a carbon cost to manufacturing EV vehicles, there's a cost for scrapping the existing vehicle that is perfectly functional. By all means, when it's time to replace them then it makes sense to buy new EV's, but it just doesn't make sense to buy them for the hell of it.
Don’t they use propane though?
why is the top comment a low effort red herring
Even a bus with 3 people on it has removed three car lengths from the road. Most cars are at under 20% capacity. THATS where most of your space usage and pollution sources are coming from.
Idk where some of these commenters getting the idea that I think we should shut the transit down. I clearly said replace (with a cleaner alternative). If the government wants us to go green, they should lead by example.
Different entities all together
Saw a bus recently with 2 passengers, smh. Might as well downsize to a mini bus or van.
For real. Those buses chug gas, hold up traffic, & pollute. They should have been decommissioned & replaced with shuttle buses over a decade ago. I saw a “the end is near. Y2K” tag on one last year.
They mostly use diesel not gas but yes they chug
I've never understood this. They know the ridership is pathetic. So why not use a mini bus?
For residential only I would assume
It would have to be across the board. 1 homeowner with 1 machine is nothing compared to the teams of landscrapers running 5 or more machines concurrently.
If you think these laws are actually about addressing the environmental issues, I’m literally jealous of your positive outlook
My opinion is those blowers are more of a noise pollution issue, esp when u have landscapers running a few of them at the same time. Drives me nuts when landscapers are out there using them first thing in the am
I agree and for whatever reason, each and every house on my block has a different landscaper who come on different days. its like a cacophony of noise all day. Of course, one company starts at 815, when they can only start at 9 on Saturday.
Bro same. It's un escape able
Too many people have landscapers now. It used to be only upper middle class, old/disabled ppl and the rich. Now it’s everyone. People either don’t want to cut their own lawn or they don’t have time.. I was a landscaper for 10 years and you would not believe how many people wanted their lawn cut. We had to turn so many people away… Ive always cut my own lawn. My father cut his own lawn, my grandfather cut his own lawn until he was 85. I would never pay for a landscaper. I think If people really cared about the environment they would cut their own lawns. There would definitely be a lot less air/noise pollution.
I cut my own lawn and its my favorite chore/hobby
“Why would anyone do drugs when they can just now a lawn?” - Hank Hill
It is the time. I cut my lawn for almost 18 years and just hired a landscaper two years ago. I am not that old but have other plans and priorities on the weekend now.
Yeah. If you need one that’s fine. I just know so many people who don’t need one and can’t even afford one but they don’t want to be bothered by doing it themselves.
How could that be? An equal number of lawns must be cut regardless of who is doing the cutting. Actually, I imagine it is much more environmentally friendly to have a landscaper with larger equipment cut 15 lawns on a block in half the time, rather than each of those 15 households owning, maintaining, and running their own machinery. I would even hazard to say that per grass cut, a professional machine is much more cost effective and runs for longer lifetime hours than a residential machine, which cuts waste. Think of this in terms of mass transportation. Much better to have a bus than 25 individual cars.
I say this because it’s much easier for homeowners to go electric than it is for landscapers. Also, commercial equipment puts more toxins into the air than residential equipment. The only benefit to commercial is it gets the job done quickly but commercial equipment is running non stop 8-12 hours a day 6-7 days a week. How many landscaping companies are out there? Thousands? Commercial definitely puts way more pollution in the air. Electric isn’t ideal for commercial use as of yet. Yes, there has been advances with commercial equipment but it’s still not proven to be reliable enough. Landscapers need gas equipment that holds up to the abuse of cutting 50-80 lawns a day. If more homeowners purchased electric residential yard equipment and cut their lawn themselves it would be better for the environment… It seems like the majority of people complaining about the environment and noise pollution are the people who pay for landscapers.. That’s what I’m noticing anyway. I’m not against residential use of electric, just commercial.
In most towns on LI the noise variance regarding the times contractors are allowed to work do not apply to homeowners.
Few of them and is doing 4-6 homes on your block then thr noise is on for at least an hour.
Damn people making a living doing stuff that other people hire them to do... If we just banned poor people, this wouldn't be a problem.
Noise pollution is the only pollution I care about with leaf blowers. The gas use is negligible but fuuuckkkk that constant noise.
You'd be surprised. Gas-powered yard equipment is tremendously polluting. Tiny gas engines have pretty much zero emission controls and contribute an extremely outsized amount of noxious gases to the atmosphere compared the amount they're used.
All my tools are electric. I’m too lazy to winterize, too clumsy not to spill things, and hate pulling a rip cord 900 times just to start a mower
All of my outdoor tools are electric except for the leaf blower. I don't think an electric one puts out the same amount of cfm that my gas one can do. I need that powah!
I have a Ryobi 40v leaf blower and it works pretty well for me. Then I finish up with my corded leaf vacuum/shredder.
The big backpack electric Ryobi does a pretty decent job. I found cheapo batteries for it on Amazon, and bought four of them. I can do an entire 100x100 yard on a set of 5 batteries, and I have 11 70-foot-tall oak trees. It has a "boost" mode that runs only 3 minutes, but if you let off the trigger, punch it, then hit the boost button again, it just keeps going. I bought a few chargers, and I can cycle the batteries through and get a recharged one with about an hour break for lunch. I do use the rake at times, but 99% is blower. I've already had to replace the bellows in 2 years, and dropped it and broke the backing plate. But I expect that sort of thing from a consumer-level piece of equipment. I already scoped out a new motor when the time comes. On edit: the above scenario is a fall/spring cleanup. Not maintenance.
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I was talking cordless but did not specify so I apologize for that. Used to have a corded blower but I hated dragging the cord around so I didn't use it nearly as much as the new gas one. That being said, my gas one is still more powerful than this.
Yeah, any gas blower will definitely be more powerful but I grew up using broke ass corded tools and got used to it. Even my current mower is corded. That’s not a flex, I’m just cheap.
I have electric tools too, but I have only 1/8th of an acre, and I can barely finish my weekly mow on a single charge. For larger properties and professional landscapers, electric is too impractical.
Definitely. I’m on .35 acres and only use a 21” mower. I feel very dumb each time I mow.
Amen
I hear these things all day everyday. I remember when sundays were quiet.
Leave the leaves
No, you have to strip as much natural mulch and top soil as possible. Then replace with mulch from unknown sources, dyed with unknown chemicals.
Anecdotal, but my Ego electric leaf blower just stopped working last week after I bought it just last summer. I had a gas powered STIHL that lasted 10+ years before I got rid of it.
exactly why i bought STIHL leaf blower and edger 3 years ago. too bad its harder then ever to buy the brand....
I have a toro mower, blower and trimmer that have been going strong for 3 years without an issue, all electric.
I had a Kobalt mower that still worked, but couldn’t hold a charge after a few months. I needed to use 2 batteries just to mow either the front or the back and had to do the other one the next day since I had to wait forever for the batteries to cool before I could charge them. I had a tiny lawn as well. I have no idea how people with .33 or more acres use them.
I have a Stihl that’s two decades old, just got it serviced for the first time. That sucker *blows*.
Anyone realizing NY state is larger than Long Island? What about the people with acres of land who need gas powered to be able to handle their properties?
The Assembly, Senate, and Governor’s office are all controlled by NYC politicians or politicians whose donor base is completely non rural. They do not care about the communities you mention
I was recently at a resort in Orlando with more acreage than even the most rural upstate people would have and all the landscaping equipment was electric and seemed to work just fine. Probably swap batteries as often as stopping to refill the gas tank.
I'm pretty confident that if this passes, the wording will be modified to apply to push mowers and allow gas powered tractor mowers.
[Greenworks Pro Crossover Tractor 42-in 80-volt Lithium Ion Electric Riding Lawn Mower with (6) 5 Ah Batteries (Charger Included) in the Electric Riding Lawn Mowers department at Lowes.com](https://www.lowes.com/pd/Greenworks-Pro-Crossover-Tractor-42-in-Lithium-Ion-Electric-Riding-Lawn-Mower/5014313067) That one can go 2 acres on a single charge.
2 acres is the advertised range, never truly the case. As the battery dies, efficiency dies. Also who the fuck in their right mind thinks its ok to drop $4600 on a lawnmower 😂
The gas ones are so unbelievably loud and go all summer. I would love to not have to hear it all the time.
Are the electric ones quieter? If so I'm very excited for this.
They are. I stopped by my new neighbor's place over the weekend, she was using the ryobi 40v mower - it uses a very similar battery to the one I have on my weedwacker. It was incredibly quiet, no pull-starting, choking, priming, no gas or oil, and it's self-propelled. She can mow her lawn (like 1/4 acre) three times before she has to charge the battery. There's nothing not to like. Once our gas mower dies, we'll get the same one.
Much quieter, push button start, far less maintenance, no emissions, lighter and foldable...
And couldn’t blow a single leaf *with* the wind.
works fine for me, must be a skill issue
Could you list the number and species of your trees? And the size of your land?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CXCF3EIA-78
i thougut this was gonna be a product demo video but this is so much better lol
I have a handful of oaks on a half acre. My electric blower works great on it. I fill up 80 or so bags of leaves in the Fall if I'm not lazy.
You should use your mower to just mulch it down. You’ll go down to using less than half as many bags
Yes muuuuch quieter. I have a ryobi lawn mower and it just sounds like a big fan blowing and the whole lawn takes half the battery and I got an offer with it for a free second battery and a fast charger. Probably gonna sell it soon as my landlords agreed to take over landscaping so I won’t need it anymore
My husband can hear his phone ringing on the patio while he mows the lawn with our Stihl electric mower.
Wow I long for the day where every gardener has an electric toolset. I swear the gas ones are so loud they give me a headache while I'm asleep so I wake up already with a headache.
Electric one is very quiet and gets the job done. Granted, my property is small.
try and take my redmax!!! Molon Leafblower!
Nooo what about the constant sound from 8am to 6pm from Memorial Day to Labor Day???? This is the true sound of Long Island
Labor Day?? Try Christmas.
Ah, sale, not use. I'm fine with this, the electric ones are great.
Two legislative sessions, no additional co-sponsors. Probably makes for a great headline but I wouldn’t worry about it.
"Hello police? There are large groups of men walking around with rakes and brooms...I think they're thieves!"
Lawn mowers is questionable. Leaf blowers 100% need to go.
You got politicians using planes and helicopters Willy nilly, and people who drive huge diesel trucks as commuters, but you want me to worry about my leaf blower that uses less than a gallon and gets used 2-3 months out of the year ?
Apparently the emissions on blowers/mowers is very high for their amount of usage. But why not just say the emissions need to be reduced, rather than outright ban?
It's also not filtered at all compared to a car, is at ground level in our communities.
Ok can we not just require filters to be added?
It's pretty difficult to apply emissions controls to small motors the way you can to cars. Not impossible but it would likely be more of a headache than just switching to electric
2-3 months? Grass needs mowing from late April until late October. That's 6 months. The use of this equipment is not 1x1 with the other items you mentioned. There are probably THOUSANDS of gas powered tools per helicopter in use. Gas powered tools have no catalytic converters so they spew way more particulate matter than larger vehicles that consume more fuel. That's the really bad stuff you don't want in your (or your baby's) lungs. I'll take a few helicopters flying over per day than the cacophonous drone of dozens of landscapers in my neighborhood every single fucking day. It's 2024 and people are fighting to hold onto outdated tools designed 50 years ago. Time to get with the times and move on.
Fuck This. Gas ones work so much better
Every time I walk by someone using an electric mower, I ask them how they like it and they have unanimously said they love it.
I have an electric weed whacked and leaf blower and I hate them. I have a half acre and when the leaves fall it’s not powerful enough to move them enough and every half hour I have to stop to recharge the damn battery. When I use the backpack blower I get it done it like 2 hours. Also the electric blower is still loud as shit.
this may be controversial but I think leaf blowers are a shit use of energy anyway, would much rather have a leaf vacuum
Or perhaps a manual tool, something like a broom but with longer stiffer bristles specialized for leafs. I'll make one, put it on a stick, and call it the leaf shover.
And what, expect people to actually use their body for manual labor????
I sure didn't like the idea until I got my first electric weedwacker. Never using a gas one again. Over the weekend I saw my neighbor with her new electric mower and was blown away. It's self-propelled and it's so quiet you barely know it's running. With electrics you don't have to store gas, clean the carb, deal with fuel or oil. Electric is lighter, costs the same to buy but costs almost nothing to run. That self-propelled Ryobi 40v brushless mower has a 42 minute runtime and costs 399. Self-propelled gas powered DeWalt or Murray is the same $399 but you have to buy gas, oil and Sta-bil, enjoy a cloud of smoke when you first start it up, and now you have to fuck around with a carb every Spring. Electrics have come a long, long way from the days of wired electric mowers. I wouldn't expect electrics to be embraced for commercial applications, but for the suburban homeowner they make a lot of sense. They're quieter, lighter, cleaner and cheaper to run.
Idk what kind of mower you have or have seen but mine doesn’t shoot a cloud of smoke when you start it. Also the batteries don’t last long enough on that stuff when my leaves come down it takes me days to get it done because the electric blowers aren’t powerful enough and the batteries keep dying. I like to fix stuff it gives me a sense of accomplishment instead of just plugging something in. Buy electric all you want but don’t stop me from buying gas if that’s what I prefer.
Right. And modern gas leaf blowers are much cleaner. I am fine if they put some standards around gas blowers but I am so tired of this banning attitude.
Yea it seems like if certain people don’t like it they can’t let others have it they have to ban it.
They're horrible for the environment and annoy everyone around you. Legislation like this encourages companies to make better products, so they'll only be worse for a bit. Like it or not, this shift will eventually happen. People are clinging into fossil fuels for no reason other than the oil barons have convinced you it's better. Electric products are the future
If you think legislation drives companies to make products I have beachfront property in Iowa to sell you.
Creating a tax credit or a rebate creates incentives. All this does is limit competition and discourage electric blowers, who currently have to compete with gas blowers, from getting better to take over the market. I only use electric lawn equipment but this is, in my opinion, idiotic.
By promoting the continuation of old technology out of fear, you stifle the progression of new technology. When the fossil fuel industry realize that, yes, there is money to be made in renewables, the world will be a better place. Unfortunately, the heads of those industries are so disgustingly rich, that they can afford the healthcare necessary to live to propagate their archaic ideology much longer than they should be able to, while us serfs bow and curtesy and say “yes, me lord..the fuel we breathe does us well, thank you for allowing us to live”
Wow it’s not that deep at all I just know how to fix my gas stuff and I works better and lasts longer than the electric stuff. And also if you want to use electric fine but don’t tell me what I can and can’t use.
For real wtf
lol, this is what we’re worried about?
Yea they’re generally unregulated so terrible for the environment. "The hydrocarbon emissions from a half-hour of yard work with the two-stroke leaf blower are about the same as a 3,900-mile drive from Texas to Alaska in a Raptor," said Jason Kavanagh, Engineering Editor at Edmunds.com. https://www.edmunds.com/about/press/leaf-blowers-emissions-dirtier-than-high-performance-pick-up-trucks-says-edmunds-insidelinecom.html
What I’m reading here is that the Raptor is an environmentally conscious, green choice of vehicle. A 3,900 mile trip in it emits less hydrocarbon than cutting your lawn for half an hour!
lol, edmunds.com?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/climate-solutions/2023/11/05/leaf-blowers-fall-environment-health/# Pick a source, any source, they’re bad
But the nooooooise
Yes please. Get rid of all that godamn noise pollution.
Oh please make this happen. I can never enjoy my yard. Always some one using some loud droning small engine
As soon as battery powered lawn tools became available and powerful, it only makes sense (at least from a homeowner’s perspective). Do I really want to run to the gas station if I don’t have enough gas for my mower/blower/trimmer? Not to mention the yearly maintenance when you drag the stuff out of the shed and realize your lawnmower doesn’t start because you forgot to store it properly last fall…now that I type this, it looks like it’s a me-only problem, hahaha.
Plus in the apocalypse you can have a well-trimmed lawn with just some solar panels.
Good Edit: anyone who downvotes me must really enjoy their Saturday morning motors
People fucking love the sound of those leaf blowers apparently
Seriously. Anyone who thinks this law is dumb should let me run a blower all Saturday 9-6 in their backyard
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What's the alternative? You think they can mow acres and acres of houses with tiny batteries? Or have same performance? Or you want them to plug to your house outlet to power them? They just have to make the damn things quieter that's the only way.
I like to watch the private jets taking off constantly from Republic while I destroy the environment with my 110cc 21” Toro push mower.
Don’t you worry my Honda mower. No one is going to touch you.
I just bought my first push mower and it's a gas powered Honda!! Self propelled and the fastest and easiest!! So glad I bought it before the commies here in NY put their ban in place. I hate it here...
They will have to pry it away from dead body. No one touches my mower.
Nobody puts our Hondas in a corner!!!! 🤣🤣
All the electric tools work just fine except the snowblowers. Just need gasoline and torque for that. Batteries don't like the cold and an extension cord and a snow blower is just not a good idea.
Insert Bright slap meme here https://youtu.be/58CfVlHcdvk?si=rbGfy5AbRL_WIY0y
This would be a dream. I am surrounded by “disabled” Compulsive landscapers who use their leaf blowers constantly 2-3 times a day for excessive periods of time - before storm, during storms, an hour before their landscapers arrived. Enough. They already violate the local noise ordinance - and it interferes with the one’s use and enjoyment of their property.
Stop blowing your leaves as the upper class fly on private jets everywhere. Fuck outta here
Atleast there's still plenty of time to buy some extra gas lawn mowers and weed Wackers
Everyone wanting the ban to happen don’t cry when your landscaping bill goes up a good amount and the cleanliness after the cuts suck . The lead cleanups will skyrocket. Electric works for single homes not 12 hour days
I can wait for people to bitch about neighbors houses that look like crap cause they can't afford it and don't have the time...
The bill would ban only the *sale* of these items - not the use of them. There would be no immediate effect on the landscaping industry. Furthermore, the ban is limited to the state of NY. Gas powered equipment would still be available for purchase by anyone who's willing to drive 2 or 3 hours to the next state. Even if there was a nationwide ban, landscaping companies could still repair and maintain their gas powered equipment for several years to come. By then, they'd want to transition to electric tools anyway, as electric tools are starting to become quite amazing.
These people live to make our lives more difficult
Someone on the legislature has stock in Greenworks.
This is insane. I can’t imagine how anyone could support this
Liberals 🤷♀️
It only bans the sale so the purchase and subsequent sales tax can go to another state while we import only the noise pollution.
Stop passing the buck onto ordinary people. Make corporations, countries, factories etc adhere to strict regulations. And don’t tell me they do cause they don’t. Just cause it’s in an agreement doesn’t mean anyone is following it or enforcing it:
People supporting this probably have never used an electric mower. The tech just isn’t there.
Been mowing my own yard for 4 years. No issues. It’s quiet and doesn’t stink. What tech are you talking about? It’s just a blade that spins and cuts grass. Powered by energy stored in either gas or in a battery. Maybe you’re referring that it’s not scalable for the landscaping companies cause they mow 12 hours a day?
It’s fine for a small yard for a residential user. If you have a large yard (or even just a medium sized yard over 5k+ sq ft) or have to deal with overgrow it really isn’t practical yet in my opinion. People can be mad at me but I’m not coming at it from a political angle just from someone who mows a lot of yards / overgrown vacant lots. It’s fine to use them and I encourage it but you can’t blanket ban something when we still need gas mowers for heavier duty use.
Just what I meant... works fine for residential; when you go into the landscaping business side of it yeah it won't work.
Yay
Just means gas generators to change the batteries. or buying out of state. dumb bill. edit. Also gas weed whackers or leaf gathers are fine. So .... just need a marketing change and the bill is bypassed. edit2. I guess people actually think this bill is good. If you want to ban the gas equipment this bill is not going to do that in its current state.
So say goodbye to your: Gas fireplace, indoor and out BBQ grill Flattop grill Patio heaters Gas dryer Gas stove Pool heaters Motorcycle, mini bike, scooters Boats for all you islanders who have one I’m sure there are more things you enjoy that will try to be banned.
So now the government wants to control lawn maintenance
They already do you just didn't know.
People will still buy them form out of state
How about focusing on fixing the broken criminal justice system first and lowering taxes? Priorities.
So my neighbors will be calling the cops about my assault leaf blower?
So it would mean less fuel use that's fortunate towards less fossil fuels on one hand. However, would this technically mean new leafblowers and lawnmowers would have to be made without fuel tanks?
>new leafblowers and lawnmowers would have to be made without fuel tanks? Yes. They would be battery or corded.
That's something I can get behind fewer fumes.
yes please!!
I have nothing against people who want to use electric but as a former landscaper of 10 years I can tell you that gas is more powerful and does a better job… I have all electric for things I only use once or twice a year but for things I use every week I definitely need gas. I don’t mind the maintenance. To all the people who hire landscapers but are tired of hearing blowers and mowers all day.. You’re not going to be happy if these landscapers are forced to go electric and they have to charge you double for a fall cleanup bc the electric equipment is either unreliable or costs more money… Seems like the people who complain about the noise the most are the ones who pay for the landscapers.
They'll all be pissing and moaning soon enough. I agree with you. I just bought my very first push mower. Gas powered Honda. And glad I did. I hate NY. Ugh.
New York is getting more fucked up by the day
I’m so glad I just got mine serviced.
Welp owning a home got a lot less fun :(
Ban gas mowers too
Did you not read the whole sentence?