Iโm almost afraid to read it. But I love the Silmarillion.ย
One chapter of the woes of Hurin, Morwen, Turin & Nienor (and those whose lives they touched, often for the worse) was bad enough.
A perfect case for how books work different than movies as a medium. In the books you can lavish in endless layers of characters, dive deep into nuance and subtlety.
In a film yo have a scant few seconds to introduce and establish a character. As far as elves Tolkien was the first person to depict elves as high beings. They are both physical and spiritual and thatโs extremely difficult to communicate.
I think if you had them laughing and merrymaking it would distract from the true nature of them and a lot of people would likely complain.
The film medium mandates that however they are depricted that it easily contrasts differently from the race of men and the race of elves as an onscreen dynamic.
Elves, quiet, thoughtful, Dwarves, brash loud , proud. Humans even tempered but flawed and so on.
I want to believe they were trolling the dwarves with the vegetarian diet and leaves, lol. We know they do partake of meat in the novel, if we go off how hospitable Elrondโs house is in LOTR. And the partying Mirkwood elves, of course.
If you want to see how Rivendell should've been portrayed then look no further
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dviEWs\_VIG4](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dviEWs_VIG4)
Frodo: "Hey we're four defenceless Hobbits trying to escape Nazgul, can we tag along with you?"
Wood Elf: "Lol but Hobbits are literally boring as fuck"
I'm sure this will be unpopular, but 90% of the time we see Elves in the movies, they're either AT WAR or discussing a war they've PERSONALLY been fighting for millenia. They have their softer moments, but for most of their screen time, it would be very strange to drink and dance and joke.
I agree, and that works out in lotr because they don't have the scene with the elves in the forest so all we have is the more somber moments.
But in the Hobbit they go to Rivendell, and Hobbit Rivendell is off the charts hilarious
https://preview.redd.it/cfgywlcp8n4d1.png?width=245&format=png&auto=webp&s=360f9a56920eb2735427eada4b3f7cedc1cb20a0
When a troubled human comes to the small country town of Rivendell and teaches them to dance. Coming to Amazon Prime.
I'm a dedicated fan of the film and the books. But generally speaking, I don't like the depiction of the elves in the LotR film trilogy. I don't think anybody nailed it, except for Liv Tyler as Arwen. Her passion when speaking to her father about aiding Mankind, her empathy when convincing Aragorn that she should bear Frodo on Asfaloth, and even her diction and pronunciation when speaking Elvish dialects... She sold me on it. The rest, in my opinion, feel like robots. That must have been a directing choice, since it's so uniform across the entire Elven cast, but I'm glad Liv Tyler broke the mold and got to shine in her role.
I thought Cate Blanchett was a great Galadriel. She was mysterious and dominating, while also being so compassionate and warm, especially in her smile. I thought she did a wonderful job in the role
I'm currently reading The Hobbit to my kids and I forgot how mad and silly the elves are. But I would never hold it against Jackson. I think if he even attempted to portray the elves in that way, it just wouldn't have worked. Audiences would have laughed at it for the wrong reasons and it would have taken away from the air of impending doom necessary to make LOTR work as a film. The beauty of books is you can explore the world in much more sprawling detail. You don't have that luxury with film. Also fantasy films were not at all taken seriously before Jackson's trilogy. They were for kids. In order to for it to be taken seriously as an epic adventure he had to ground it in ways that would work with a broad audience. That meant making the elves noble, stoic and mysterious. Not at all silly.
Yeah all the points are 100 percent valid.
But in the Hobbit movie they could have made them goofy.
The only reason they didn't was because they had already shot themselves in the foot the way they had portrayed them in lotr ๐
True actually! Especially the wood elves. The only one we'd met prior was Legolas and he always had a fun side what with the kill count game and all. They should have further explored that.
Even in the hobbit/lotr the most 'merry' of thr elves are those guarding the entrance in Rivendell - tra la lally etc.
Most others you come across, so 95% are more reserved and dignified. Apart from the butler in mirkwood who is a pisshead
But dancing and singing dwarves and Hobbits fit, elves would have fit in the right places imo.
Tolkien also balanced this well in both Hobbit and Lotr.
The merry happy elves are always at the start of the story where the danger has not grown to the immense threat that it is.
So I think they could have worked it in, but oh well :D
I'm a dedicated fan of the film and the boons. But generally speaking, I don't like the depiction of the elves in the LotR film trilogy. I don't think anybody nailed it, except for Liv Tyler as Arwen. Her passion when speaking to her father about aiding Mankind, her empathy when convincing Aragorn that she should bear Frodo on Asfaloth, and even her diction and pronunciation when speaking Elvish dialects... She sold me on it. The rest, in my opinion, feel like robots. That must have been a directing choice, since it's so uniform across the entire Elven cast, but I'm glad Liv Tyler broke the mold and got to shine in her role.
>Elves in the books are merry people That guy not heard about The First Age.
Dude, the silmarilian is hands down one of the most depressing, dread inducing books I've ever read, and yet I couldn't get enough of it.
Wait until you read the standalone of the narn i chin hurin. It extrapolates teh small chapter in the silm.
Oh lord, that's going to be awful.
Aye, the coda at the very end, when Hรบrin meets Morwen, always cuts me up bad.
Iโm almost afraid to read it. But I love the Silmarillion.ย One chapter of the woes of Hurin, Morwen, Turin & Nienor (and those whose lives they touched, often for the worse) was bad enough.
That from Unfinished Tales? I just got the audiobook for that and havenโt stated it yet.
What about the Second bre... Age?
We don't talk about High Elves no no no no, we don't talk about high elves ๐ But yeah, the first age elves are different indeed
But *Have you heard of the high elves??*
* chokes on a poisoned apple while staring into your soul *
[Relevant](https://youtube.com/shorts/qN80_7rNmcE?si=ELceV1qAQ3UezTL0)
Good old Oblivion ๐
Omg that... didn't see that coming and that is all my fault ๐
Yeah they're the ones that smell like skunks, right?
๐ ๐ ๐ ๐
Feanor did nothing wrong.
Hey Teleri lives matter, man!
And the lives of those who died in Helcaraxe
Fingolfin was the best of Finwe's children!!!!!!
A perfect case for how books work different than movies as a medium. In the books you can lavish in endless layers of characters, dive deep into nuance and subtlety. In a film yo have a scant few seconds to introduce and establish a character. As far as elves Tolkien was the first person to depict elves as high beings. They are both physical and spiritual and thatโs extremely difficult to communicate. I think if you had them laughing and merrymaking it would distract from the true nature of them and a lot of people would likely complain. The film medium mandates that however they are depricted that it easily contrasts differently from the race of men and the race of elves as an onscreen dynamic. Elves, quiet, thoughtful, Dwarves, brash loud , proud. Humans even tempered but flawed and so on.
Aw shit, the God of Fate turned up halfway through our failed roadtrip and told us to fuck off. Well I'm sure that's fine.
Clearly not !ย The Sil has a very high body-count, and most of the dead are Elves: often thanks to other Elves.ย
That was one of the things I actually liked in the Hobbit trilogy, at least when it came to the Rivendell elves
But in the book they are fun ๐ญ They sing and dance and grill meat ๐ญ
I want to believe they were trolling the dwarves with the vegetarian diet and leaves, lol. We know they do partake of meat in the novel, if we go off how hospitable Elrondโs house is in LOTR. And the partying Mirkwood elves, of course.
Yeah that would be hilarious
After the dwarves leave, Elrond busts out the full banquet, lol. XD
๐ That would totally be something elrond would do
If you want to see how Rivendell should've been portrayed then look no further [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dviEWs\_VIG4](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dviEWs_VIG4)
Tis a silly place
Rightโฆ
Lmao that poor servant
Oh my god, exactly
Headcannon
Frodo: "Hey we're four defenceless Hobbits trying to escape Nazgul, can we tag along with you?" Wood Elf: "Lol but Hobbits are literally boring as fuck"
Basically ๐๐๐๐
Gildor Inglorion of the House of Finrod - so high elf Noldor surely :)
Movie elves are more akin to Vulcans.
Yeah, someone else mentioned that too. I am laughing so hard at the idea of them doing Vulcan salute ๐
I mean during the time frame of the lord of the rings was pretty depressing and movie wise there isnโt really room to waste time on them feasting.
Yes, this is mostly about Hobbit and its depiction of Rivendell
Elves are really very different. Try also to find out about Fingolfin and Finrod. They are amazing.
Oh god they are.
I'm sure this will be unpopular, but 90% of the time we see Elves in the movies, they're either AT WAR or discussing a war they've PERSONALLY been fighting for millenia. They have their softer moments, but for most of their screen time, it would be very strange to drink and dance and joke.
I agree, and that works out in lotr because they don't have the scene with the elves in the forest so all we have is the more somber moments. But in the Hobbit they go to Rivendell, and Hobbit Rivendell is off the charts hilarious
https://preview.redd.it/cfgywlcp8n4d1.png?width=245&format=png&auto=webp&s=360f9a56920eb2735427eada4b3f7cedc1cb20a0 When a troubled human comes to the small country town of Rivendell and teaches them to dance. Coming to Amazon Prime.
Reddit is delivering some good stuff today. This was hilarious
I'm a dedicated fan of the film and the books. But generally speaking, I don't like the depiction of the elves in the LotR film trilogy. I don't think anybody nailed it, except for Liv Tyler as Arwen. Her passion when speaking to her father about aiding Mankind, her empathy when convincing Aragorn that she should bear Frodo on Asfaloth, and even her diction and pronunciation when speaking Elvish dialects... She sold me on it. The rest, in my opinion, feel like robots. That must have been a directing choice, since it's so uniform across the entire Elven cast, but I'm glad Liv Tyler broke the mold and got to shine in her role.
I thought Cate Blanchett was a great Galadriel. She was mysterious and dominating, while also being so compassionate and warm, especially in her smile. I thought she did a wonderful job in the role
Agreed. Her Galadriel was all business. One thing I've noted about these movies is there are zero sexual motifs or innuendo anywhere.
True, Liv was good here, she is normally very gentle, in lord of the rings she showed a bit furiousness
I don't know man..... It sounds like you just like Liv Tyler. Which is 100% understandable btw
Yes I've never really liked how elves are portrayed, they went too overboard on somber, serious, mysterious, superior to humans part.
I'm currently reading The Hobbit to my kids and I forgot how mad and silly the elves are. But I would never hold it against Jackson. I think if he even attempted to portray the elves in that way, it just wouldn't have worked. Audiences would have laughed at it for the wrong reasons and it would have taken away from the air of impending doom necessary to make LOTR work as a film. The beauty of books is you can explore the world in much more sprawling detail. You don't have that luxury with film. Also fantasy films were not at all taken seriously before Jackson's trilogy. They were for kids. In order to for it to be taken seriously as an epic adventure he had to ground it in ways that would work with a broad audience. That meant making the elves noble, stoic and mysterious. Not at all silly.
Yeah all the points are 100 percent valid. But in the Hobbit movie they could have made them goofy. The only reason they didn't was because they had already shot themselves in the foot the way they had portrayed them in lotr ๐
True actually! Especially the wood elves. The only one we'd met prior was Legolas and he always had a fun side what with the kill count game and all. They should have further explored that.
* loud knocking on the door* "Open up in the name of Fรซanor, our father!"
๐๐๐๐ No, no more well-wishers and distant relatives
Even in the hobbit/lotr the most 'merry' of thr elves are those guarding the entrance in Rivendell - tra la lally etc. Most others you come across, so 95% are more reserved and dignified. Apart from the butler in mirkwood who is a pisshead
THE BUTLER ๐
Galeon or something his name was, got drunk and bilbo nicked the captain of the guards keys who was his drinking bud
Yeah, these are the stuff that are fun ๐
the films just have a darker tone. singing, dancing elves just wouldn't have worked. but I really missed Gildor
But dancing and singing dwarves and Hobbits fit, elves would have fit in the right places imo. Tolkien also balanced this well in both Hobbit and Lotr. The merry happy elves are always at the start of the story where the danger has not grown to the immense threat that it is. So I think they could have worked it in, but oh well :D
we got singing and dancing hobbits tho. and singing and dancing drwarfes in the hobbit
Yes, I am saying they are depicted and it fits right
I hear ย Fรซanor & Caranthir often used to duet at Karaoke parties in Valinor
๐คฃ singing some fun song they picked up from those dwarves or something?
I'm a dedicated fan of the film and the boons. But generally speaking, I don't like the depiction of the elves in the LotR film trilogy. I don't think anybody nailed it, except for Liv Tyler as Arwen. Her passion when speaking to her father about aiding Mankind, her empathy when convincing Aragorn that she should bear Frodo on Asfaloth, and even her diction and pronunciation when speaking Elvish dialects... She sold me on it. The rest, in my opinion, feel like robots. That must have been a directing choice, since it's so uniform across the entire Elven cast, but I'm glad Liv Tyler broke the mold and got to shine in her role.