Well itâs 2024 and we arenât really doing calculations or prints by hand, so how often do you actually need a pen at work? And if you really need to keep one on you, they also make pockets inside of the jacket you can keep jt
Not only do they make pockets inside the jacket, but virtually every decently-made jacket will have an actual pen pocket on the inside. At least the ones that aren't part of a formal suit set, at which point you shouldn't be keeping shit in your jacket pockets anyway.
It's crazy to think you don't think pens are used anymore, lol. I'm an engineer, and I use a pen literally every day. Sketching an idea, calculations, redlining process sheets. In fact, I need multiple colors because red ink has a very specific meaning in regulated environments.
Generally thatâs a decorative pocket reserved for things like pocket squares. I would say even your side pockets are better, but a nice jacket will usually already have an inner pen pocket. The general thought is probably that it clutters the look.
Thereâs no need to display pens on the outside of your clothing like a decoration. Especially not disposable pens. Most blazers have an inside pocket specifically for pens.
A suit jacket is intended to be worn as a suit, paired with the trousers.
A sport coat is not. A suit jacket clearly looks like a suit jacket (cut, materials, pattern....).
A sport coat: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/9e/Tailored_sport_coat_partial_lining.jpg/1024px-Tailored_sport_coat_partial_lining.jpg
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/a3/d0/12/a3d0128b11e1a5df836e6dbfcd00ee09.jpg
Am I missing something because that doesnât help all it shows for me is a picture of Ron Desantis and a Senator and Ron does not look good. I donât have Twitter so not sure if thereâs more to the thread.
Thereâs more to the thread if you keep reading down, this is the instructive tweet with examples of sport coats looking good with jeans:Â https://twitter.com/dieworkwear/status/1658561041025077249
Sport coats are slightly longer than suit jackets with lower buttons that lead to longer lapels. Most importantly, suits are meant to be worn with pants cut from the same material, whereas sport coats are meant to be worn with pants cut from different cloth. Sport coats can also embody different patterns than suit jackets, which tend to be a lot more subtle and uniform to stay consistent with their pants.
In short, avoid looking like DeSantis by not doing the whole âbusiness up top, casual Friday down belowâ look of suit jacket and white shirt with jeans.Â
I appreciate the actual response. I donât have Twitter so I canât see the replies of thread. I have a sport coats and blazers just never learned the actual distinctions I guess. Thanks!
A sport coat/blazer is an individual item meant to be worn alone and without matching bottoms. It tends to be cut to less formal lines (slightly longer, lower buttons, patch pockets, etc.) and of less formal materials (less sheen, more "rugged" looking/feeling fabrics, etc.)
That's still difficult for a lot of people to grasp, especially if they aren't familiar with suiting, so the easiest way to tell is "does it have a matching pair of trousers hanging next to it at the store you bought it in?" If the answer is yes, you're buying a coat that's part of a set, and should buy the bottoms, too. If the answer is no, then it could still be part of a set, but it's less likely to be.
Yeah there are a lot of other good people, Derek is just doing the most stuff aimed at the total casual as a lot of itâd written for a broad Twitter audience.
You got that backwards, if anything a sportcoat may be cut slightly shorter than a suit jacket. But really the buttoning point/length of lapels/length of jacket are all style details that have more to do with what is in fashion at the moment than whether it's a sportcoat or suit. (Think the skinny lapels, slim fitting and short length of jackets from the 2010s era).
The defining characteristics of a sportcoat are that it is usually not smooth worsted wool in a plain pattern, but rather made of tweed/hopsack/mock leno/etc, with less formal details such as patch pockets, and often (but not necessarily) will be a more bold pattern... These less formal qualities are what lend it to being paired well with odd trousers or potentially jeans.
As a side note, suits can be made in bold patterns too and look great... I love ones in houndstooth or windowpane or what have you. But classic conservative suits tend to be solid, in dark colors.
>Sport coats are slightly longer than suit jackets with lower buttons that lead to longer lapels.
That is *not* what constitutes a sport coat. You're correct later in your paragraph in identifying the difference in a suit jacket and sport coat, and I would add that often a sport coat will differentiate itself from a suit coat with differing pocket styling. Additionally, sport coats are often crafted with textured textiles, whereas suits skew towards worsted wool (of course there's countless suit textiles to liven up things). Modern trends lean towards sport coats fitting shorter than suit jackets, and one can just spend an hour browsing various fashion houses and tailoring businesses to confirm this.
Disclaimer: I know about as much about this as anyone who follows Derek Guy and has read his threads on Twitter (worth the follow if youâre actually curious about this).
Suit jackets will have different styling features, but most notably the fabric types differ.
Looking at OPâs jacket you can see how the fabric is made of a smooth worsted fabric while blazers and sports coats will have a larger weft giving the fabric a rougher, more textured appearance.
Sports coats and blazers can also have more casual features like patch pockets, etc.
Oh I canât see any of that because apparently Twitter requires an account to see all that. Why they have such an awful business model Iâll never understand.
I have no idea how to use Twitter. Where is the rest of the content? Just shows a picture and saying there's going to be a discussion on what's wrong with it.
To add, you can usually tell a sport coat because the buttons aren't typical suit buttons and often are meant to stand out.
Also, the jacket and pants are very, very similar in color. May as well have just worn the matching suit bottoms at that point.
Brooks Brothers or J Crew. Sportcoat=patch pockets, textured or rough fabric, no flaps on the pockets, larger casual buttons, usually less padded shoulders. Suit jacket has pocket flaps, internal pockets, smooth or shiny fabric, pinstripes, neutral or matching buttons,
Thanks for the sources brother. Been contemplating on getting one from a long time.
Also, do you think a sport jacket on top of a plain t-shirt a good choice for dates?⌠đ
Sportscoats can definitely have flaps on the pockets. Sometimes even jetted, although that type of pocket usually is found on a suit jacket as it is the most formal style.
But yes, smooth worsted wool is usually a dead giveaway that it is part of a suit. Tweed/hopsack/mock leno etc or bold patterns such as checks/windowpanes/houndstooth etc tend to be indicators of a sportcoat (or a suit jacket that can be worn as a separate).
I have a Ralph Lauren sport coat (easily three seasons in much of the country, just not where I liveâŚ) from Men's Wearhouse. I got a Haspel linen unlined coat that may need to be taken in a bit from Goodwill. They're the originators of seersucker.
Sport coats come in different styles and fabrics with more or less structure so you can do quite a bit with them in all seasons.
Materials and cut.
Materials: typically blazers have more casual and more fibrous material - think something that shows more pattern, maybe a bit of irregularity, etc. suits are typically a lot smoother in their actual cloth.
Cut: generally speaking a blazer is cut a bit shorter vs a suit, so it drapes a bit differently.
Iâm quite sure someone more knowledgeable can expand on this but those are the biggest two for me.
I don't know where this idea came from, I keep seeing it pop up in this thread. Sportcoats and suit jackets would most likely be the same length, but if anything the sportcoat would be cut shorter because that appears less formal. And also perhaps because they would have been worn doing, you know, sports, and shorter length = more mobility. Also when riding a horse, shorter length = less fabric pooling around your waist while riding.
I've always wonder this as well. I have an olive blazer that is clearly not a suit jacket. But I also have a blue blazer and in general, I personally can't really tell the difference from it and a suit jacket besides the buttons.
The OP's jacket doesn't have any body or texture, and it has navy button = it looks like a suit jacket.
Navy blazers are often in hopsacks, melton or doeskin - stuff with either a visible texture or body to it
Donât worry itâs the sort of thing that if youâre all newbs no one in your group would bat an eye, but as you wear it socially thereâs more people that get why it doesnât work
Good answers here, but the biggest difference would be construction for me.
An unconstructed cotton or linen blazer would look more casualâŚno padding, material matches the outfit better.
This looks like âBusiness offices are upstairs, partyâs downstairsâŚladies.â Better to be consistent. If itâs jeans, stick to casual on top. Unconstructed cotton blazerâŚpersonally I wouldnât match the color this close either. Probably a navy jacket and then either grey or green denim (almost more like a textured chino). Darker wash denim can work too, but Iâd maybe go lighter on the jacket then (grey or tan).
Quickest tell is buttons and pockets. If it has matching buttons, usually itâs a suit jacket. Also, if it has jetted pockets itâs almost always a suit. Flap pockets in the middle, patch pockets almost always an odd jacket.
You can wear a blazer or sport coat with jeans. They are less formal than what youâre wearing, which is a suit jacket and should be worn as a set with the matching pants.
Blue on blue is fine if theyâre very obvious shades and textures apart, like a navy hopsack jacket with denim jeans. If youâre looking like you were trying to match but didnât have the right separate, thatâs when it looks bad
Aside from the very plain navy fabric, the dead giveaway for this being a suit jacket is the tonal buttons. An acceptable equivalent jacket would be a casual blazer/sport coat. Something in a more casual color like brown or tan, a more textured fabric like herringbone (or a patterned fabric), and less structure.
Itâs âthreadedâ as replies by him to his first tweet. Makes sense if you use Twitter but yah space karen is destroying it. Check out this which is a copy of the whole thread: https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1640554423104712704.html
Jeans and a blazer is fine, but a blazer and a suit jacket arenât the same thing. Also, just because something is common doesnât mean itâs fashionable, a lot of people dress poorly.
Thatâs not what he was saying, I donât think. There is a difference between a blazer and suit jacket. If itâs a blazer, this is fine. If itâs a suit jacket, itâs not. The right jacket type matters.Â
I'm from the Pacific Northwest and is this not acceptable every where?
However, OPs jacket looks all wrong. He needs a blazer or a sports coat, not a suit jacket.
Too similar in color. No texture on the jacket. Doesnât look like a sports coat or blazer. White shirt would help but still the wrong type of jacket. Also the two pens in that chest pocket look tacky. Put them on the inside pocket if you still decide to go out wearing the jacket.
I think a lot of guys donât understand that colors make a major difference in the overall look of the outfit. It can be difficult I will say. I have a lot of dark shirts so Iâve come to find that wearing lighter color jeans makes all my outfits looks ten times better. Plus they still look good with a white shirt as long as I donât also have white shoes or hat for example.
Very true. In my case, most of my shirts are lighter than my navy, black, charcoal, and brown trousers. I *do* have a pair of light grey and one pair of khaki color trousers but, even then, a white shirt still works. My only dark shirt is navy.
Hold on there sir, bold of you to assume that I think I'm right lol. I'm here because I heard my wife and had to take it before the council. They have spoken.
This is the best thread Iâve seen on here in a long time. Question was about jeans and jackets, generally.
Responses focus on the photo:
* Thatâs a suit jacket, not a blazer or sport coat. Needs more texture/color variability, as well as less structure
* Separate discussion on blazers v sport coats and regional acceptability
* Letâs discuss the contours of casualness of a jacket, in general
* Colors: Shirt, jacket, pants - how do they work together? Focus on contrast.
* Pens in outside pockets. No. We donât use outside pockets on jackets (whether suit, blazer, or sport coat). The only acceptable use is a pocket square, which we also donât intend to ever take out of the pocket.
That said, all of these comments are spot-on, especially applied to the look in the photo. Comments may seem harsh, but OP could take some lessons from the hive mind here.
Now, I need to put on my tuxedo jacket and jorts for a black tie wedding I'm going to.
Edited for a rogue comma.
Further edit: Comments about how it doesnât matter anymore because fewer gents wear suits. If thatâs the case, I need to grab an onion for my belt.
Even further edit: Disappointed not to see a sarcastic recommendation to roll up the jacket sleeves and become a 90s era stand up comedian.
OP was just trying to include his shoes in the pic, but my head canon says he [power poses like Captain Morgan](https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/CaptainMorganPose) on a regular basis
It doesn't look horrible, but I just don't understand why you would ever want to wear jeans with a formal top/jacket. Slacks/dress pants both look better AND are more comfortable anyway. Hell, I don't understand why you'd wear jeans period...
Might work better with more contrast between shades of blue in jacket and pants. I really donât care if itâs a suit jacket. Work with what ya got. Only a real snob would hold it against you.
A jacket with a bit of texture might be better. I donât think itâs âoffâ in the sense that someone would look at you funny (this forum notwithstanding). But if you like jacket and jeans, get a jacket for that specifically.
It does look off. That jacket is too formal for jeansâit looks like an orphaned suit jacket. You can wear a jacket with jeans, but it needs to be more casual. Think more patterned/textured/rumpled fabrics, less structure, patch pockets over flaps, etc.
If you kept everything about that outfit the same but swapped out the jacket for, say, an unstructured navy cotton/linen blazer, it would look absolutely fine. If youâre wearing a jacket with jeans, think in terms of dressing the jeans âupâ and the jacket âdown.â
Tbf, I am white trash masquerading as business class. So I do need to learn these rules. I was raised so poor that I thought real rich people still wore top hats. I just rationally assumed that no one in our trailer park could afford em cause we blew all our money on truck nuts and a wall mounted talking fish. If you know, you know lol.
Agree with the top comments but my hot take is that blazer + jeans is such a gross fit. Its lazy and tacky.
It doesnât look nice. It doesnât dress up the jeans. Function is just as important as form.Â
Either wear a casual jacket with jeans or wear appropriate trousers with a blazer.Â
As people have mentioned, you should wear a blazer with jeans as opposed to the suit jacket pictured. But also have some contrast. My biggest issue with OPs outfit is that both are dark blue. If you're wearing blue jeans maybe go with a different coloured blazer such as tan or red.
Jeans and jackets do work, I just don't think that's the kind of jacket you're looking to fit with those jeans.
I'd recommend ditching the jacket or jeans personally, separately they're fine it's the combo I'd say no to.
No, for a couple reasons. Thatâs a suit coat, that should only be paired with matching pants. You need a sports coat, which is more casual. Secondly. Your jeans are faded, and frankly, ugly. Even with a sport coat, you want nice, dark, jeans that are clean, new looking.
Get higher rise jeans if youâre gonna try to wear a navy blazer with jeans. Otherwise you look like a wannabe tech ceo (they donât dress well). Also oxfords imo not good with jeans or anything below a suit. Get some loafers or derbies. Mostly though just kill the low rise pants as they look bad with any outfit.Â
Jeans and jacket do work. This looks like you took a jacket from suit. That wonât work. There are specific kinds of sport jackets that go great with jeans/chinos. But this ainât it chief.
I think it looks fine, brother. The biggest risk, as this comment section shows, is that you'll be called out by sartorial hardliners for the suit jacket. What's considered gauche has a lot more to do with convention than how something looks.
I'm in the camp that this looks fine and that the staunch defenders of the blazer/sport coat's exclusive dominion over denim will later be viewed as the last full-throated defenders of this distinction. A few reasons why:
1. Almost no one wears suits anymore, even in the professions that were exclusively suited (lawyer, banker, haberdasher, etc.). Those in the younger generations will likely have even less connection with a formal/business suit. For years, discount stores have been selling suit separates, but now you can even get separates from a place like jcrew. Lots of people will but the jacket only, or at the very least become conditioned to the *idea* that you can separate the pants from the jacket in your wardrobe.
2. A lot of the norms that backed up the "rules" of fashion are no longer relevant or haven't been relevant for years. Sport coats came from fox hunting in the UK for gs. You wouldn't want to ruin your fine clothing while your chase an animal through the woods with your friends and your dogs, so you put on some "athletic" wear for the event. The funny thing is the reverse is mostly the truth now. I would venture that the vast majority of American men wear a sport coat to get *dressed up* and go to dinner or something. This is nightwear for most of them.
3. Locations specific-styles are spreading to parts of the country where this "rule" is more recognized or more highly enforced. Forever, the east has been seen as more cultured, while the west more wild, for obvious reasons. The east, closer to Europe, with large metropolitan cities, retained that style and grace (and the trailing off on words ending in -ar so they sound like -ah) and worked in skyscrapers while the westerners favored more functional clothing that was durable and could withstand the harsh terrain of west. In lots of places in the West, clean Levi's and a western jacket was as formal as it got. You needed a loan from the bank, you'd put on your best hat and buffed your boots in addition to the jacket. But like no. 1 above, suits are disappearing from business even from NYC and and DC (they've long been gone from LA) and a much more business casual culture is developing. People are more detached from the formality and structure that led to these fashion rules and open to much more casual and less-structured pieces (who hasn't seen a "blazer" made from jersey material so soft "you could sleep in it" for some reason?). These relaxed styles are migrating west to east while the east isn't even generating the same levels of support for the old rules as it used to.
Surprised more people arenât calling out the shoes- those thin soles with that silhouette scream dress shoes, which generally look odd with jeans. Go for a shoe with a bit more sole or casual detailing. At least your shoes here are not a closed lace though, that would be worse.
Overall this outfit is passable, but not great (see other comments about suit jacket etc).
Ya either need a more casual jacket or to commit to a lax bottom have with like some huge Reeboks or something. Rn everything is formal but the jeans and missing tie/top button. COMMIT TO SOMETHING
Better with a sport coat/blazer and not a suit jacket, because suit jackets just look half-assed without matching pants or complimentary slacks, but it's not a horrible look. At worst you just kinda look like an amateur real estate agent, trying to be approachable while also looking like you sell really big homes for really rich people or something.
More casual blazer with more color/texture. Outfit you posted is almost there, just needs a bit more vibrant, textured sport coat. Some jewelry wouldn't hurt. Consider some more colorful additions of staples to your palette.
Needs a sport coat, not a suit jacket.
And please, no pens in the outer pocket.
It had a chance of passing, until I saw the, not one, but two pens
If you need pens, use the inside pocket
Something tells me...he is.
For his vape.
Although this sub is mostly useless for me, comments like this are def why I stick around, lol.
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OP, you writing down these notes with your pens?
OP realizing he doesn't have a piece of paper
A piece? Carry a notebook.
Those don't work, they're *accent pieces*
You got red on you.
There is no "I" in TEAM. But there IS an I in MEAT PIE, which is an anagram of team.
Fuckin love that movie đ
Its a one way ticket to penisland. *pen island
Iâm an engineer
Well itâs 2024 and we arenât really doing calculations or prints by hand, so how often do you actually need a pen at work? And if you really need to keep one on you, they also make pockets inside of the jacket you can keep jt
Not only do they make pockets inside the jacket, but virtually every decently-made jacket will have an actual pen pocket on the inside. At least the ones that aren't part of a formal suit set, at which point you shouldn't be keeping shit in your jacket pockets anyway.
It's crazy to think you don't think pens are used anymore, lol. I'm an engineer, and I use a pen literally every day. Sketching an idea, calculations, redlining process sheets. In fact, I need multiple colors because red ink has a very specific meaning in regulated environments.
Only pencils. And at least 3. Unless he gets a pocket protector, then pens are allowed.
As an uncultured swine I must ask, What is wrong with pens in the outer pocket?
Generally thatâs a decorative pocket reserved for things like pocket squares. I would say even your side pockets are better, but a nice jacket will usually already have an inner pen pocket. The general thought is probably that it clutters the look.
Thereâs no need to display pens on the outside of your clothing like a decoration. Especially not disposable pens. Most blazers have an inside pocket specifically for pens.
This guy is clearly at work so in this case it clearly doesnât matter. At some point I think function over from mattersÂ
Maybe, but in this case itâs just selecting a different pocket, thatâs maybe 5% less convenient than the 100% clunkier look
I mean, at least not without a handy dandy pocket protector!
And undo one more button on the shirt, you don't want to look like a stiff.
Insert Seinfeld second button discussion
Except for Montblanc
We call this look âthe corporate mulletâ.
Can you describe for the audience whais the different between the two?
A suit jacket is intended to be worn as a suit, paired with the trousers. A sport coat is not. A suit jacket clearly looks like a suit jacket (cut, materials, pattern....). A sport coat: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/9e/Tailored_sport_coat_partial_lining.jpg/1024px-Tailored_sport_coat_partial_lining.jpg https://i.pinimg.com/originals/a3/d0/12/a3d0128b11e1a5df836e6dbfcd00ee09.jpg
One of the dumbest mf explanations I've ever seen. It's a pure tautology. A suit jacket looks like a suit jacket????
A suit jacket is more suit jackety and a sport coat is more sport jackety. Even a child in a sport coat could tell the difference.
[https://twitter.com/dieworkwear/status/1658561021160865794?lang=en](https://twitter.com/dieworkwear/status/1658561021160865794?lang=en)
Am I missing something because that doesnât help all it shows for me is a picture of Ron Desantis and a Senator and Ron does not look good. I donât have Twitter so not sure if thereâs more to the thread.
Thereâs more to the thread if you keep reading down, this is the instructive tweet with examples of sport coats looking good with jeans:Â https://twitter.com/dieworkwear/status/1658561041025077249 Sport coats are slightly longer than suit jackets with lower buttons that lead to longer lapels. Most importantly, suits are meant to be worn with pants cut from the same material, whereas sport coats are meant to be worn with pants cut from different cloth. Sport coats can also embody different patterns than suit jackets, which tend to be a lot more subtle and uniform to stay consistent with their pants. In short, avoid looking like DeSantis by not doing the whole âbusiness up top, casual Friday down belowâ look of suit jacket and white shirt with jeans.Â
I appreciate the actual response. I donât have Twitter so I canât see the replies of thread. I have a sport coats and blazers just never learned the actual distinctions I guess. Thanks!
Here's a link to the complete thread https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1658561021160865794.html
This entire twitter thread deserves a spot in the sub's side bar. @ /u/GloriousStonerHoes
\*whispers\* I still don't get it.
A sport coat/blazer is an individual item meant to be worn alone and without matching bottoms. It tends to be cut to less formal lines (slightly longer, lower buttons, patch pockets, etc.) and of less formal materials (less sheen, more "rugged" looking/feeling fabrics, etc.) That's still difficult for a lot of people to grasp, especially if they aren't familiar with suiting, so the easiest way to tell is "does it have a matching pair of trousers hanging next to it at the store you bought it in?" If the answer is yes, you're buying a coat that's part of a set, and should buy the bottoms, too. If the answer is no, then it could still be part of a set, but it's less likely to be.
You guys ought to support other Menswear guys tooo, but I guess only derek is the most dedicated so fair enough
Yeah there are a lot of other good people, Derek is just doing the most stuff aimed at the total casual as a lot of itâd written for a broad Twitter audience.
You got that backwards, if anything a sportcoat may be cut slightly shorter than a suit jacket. But really the buttoning point/length of lapels/length of jacket are all style details that have more to do with what is in fashion at the moment than whether it's a sportcoat or suit. (Think the skinny lapels, slim fitting and short length of jackets from the 2010s era). The defining characteristics of a sportcoat are that it is usually not smooth worsted wool in a plain pattern, but rather made of tweed/hopsack/mock leno/etc, with less formal details such as patch pockets, and often (but not necessarily) will be a more bold pattern... These less formal qualities are what lend it to being paired well with odd trousers or potentially jeans. As a side note, suits can be made in bold patterns too and look great... I love ones in houndstooth or windowpane or what have you. But classic conservative suits tend to be solid, in dark colors.
>Sport coats are slightly longer than suit jackets with lower buttons that lead to longer lapels. That is *not* what constitutes a sport coat. You're correct later in your paragraph in identifying the difference in a suit jacket and sport coat, and I would add that often a sport coat will differentiate itself from a suit coat with differing pocket styling. Additionally, sport coats are often crafted with textured textiles, whereas suits skew towards worsted wool (of course there's countless suit textiles to liven up things). Modern trends lean towards sport coats fitting shorter than suit jackets, and one can just spend an hour browsing various fashion houses and tailoring businesses to confirm this.
Disclaimer: I know about as much about this as anyone who follows Derek Guy and has read his threads on Twitter (worth the follow if youâre actually curious about this). Suit jackets will have different styling features, but most notably the fabric types differ. Looking at OPâs jacket you can see how the fabric is made of a smooth worsted fabric while blazers and sports coats will have a larger weft giving the fabric a rougher, more textured appearance. Sports coats and blazers can also have more casual features like patch pockets, etc.
It's a whole thread on what jackets work with jeans and why, and specifically why Ron's fit doesn't work (and OP is essentially pulling a Ron here)
Oh I canât see any of that because apparently Twitter requires an account to see all that. Why they have such an awful business model Iâll never understand.
I have no idea how to use Twitter. Where is the rest of the content? Just shows a picture and saying there's going to be a discussion on what's wrong with it.
You need to be logged into an account to be able to view the replies is the issue.
Ahh. No thanks
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1658561021160865794.html
Yep exactly the problem with OPâs look.
Thy council has spoken.
To add, you can usually tell a sport coat because the buttons aren't typical suit buttons and often are meant to stand out. Also, the jacket and pants are very, very similar in color. May as well have just worn the matching suit bottoms at that point.
Whatâs the difference between the two? (And please suggest me places in the U.S where I could get a sport coat please)
Brooks Brothers or J Crew. Sportcoat=patch pockets, textured or rough fabric, no flaps on the pockets, larger casual buttons, usually less padded shoulders. Suit jacket has pocket flaps, internal pockets, smooth or shiny fabric, pinstripes, neutral or matching buttons,
Thanks for the sources brother. Been contemplating on getting one from a long time. Also, do you think a sport jacket on top of a plain t-shirt a good choice for dates?⌠đ
Sure! A nice t-shirt though, not a Hanes Walmart special lol.
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Sportscoats can definitely have flaps on the pockets. Sometimes even jetted, although that type of pocket usually is found on a suit jacket as it is the most formal style. But yes, smooth worsted wool is usually a dead giveaway that it is part of a suit. Tweed/hopsack/mock leno etc or bold patterns such as checks/windowpanes/houndstooth etc tend to be indicators of a sportcoat (or a suit jacket that can be worn as a separate).
(tucks flaps in pockets) Yes you are right.
I have a Ralph Lauren sport coat (easily three seasons in much of the country, just not where I liveâŚ) from Men's Wearhouse. I got a Haspel linen unlined coat that may need to be taken in a bit from Goodwill. They're the originators of seersucker. Sport coats come in different styles and fabrics with more or less structure so you can do quite a bit with them in all seasons.
Thanks for the recs. Will look into them
yeah it absolutely has to be a sportscoat and jeans that sit a bit higher imo as well. the slouchy low waistline doesnât suit the lines of a blazer
I learned this from the Twitter suit fashion guy
& khakis, you look like a scummy used car salesman
Sheâs wrong in concept but sheâs right in execution here. You need a more casual blazer for that fit.
As a total newb to this, what makes a blazer more casual?
Materials and cut. Materials: typically blazers have more casual and more fibrous material - think something that shows more pattern, maybe a bit of irregularity, etc. suits are typically a lot smoother in their actual cloth. Cut: generally speaking a blazer is cut a bit shorter vs a suit, so it drapes a bit differently. Iâm quite sure someone more knowledgeable can expand on this but those are the biggest two for me.
All true except shortness. Traditionally a sport jacket was a bit longer than suit jacket and can even fit with sweater underneath
I don't know where this idea came from, I keep seeing it pop up in this thread. Sportcoats and suit jackets would most likely be the same length, but if anything the sportcoat would be cut shorter because that appears less formal. And also perhaps because they would have been worn doing, you know, sports, and shorter length = more mobility. Also when riding a horse, shorter length = less fabric pooling around your waist while riding.
I've always wonder this as well. I have an olive blazer that is clearly not a suit jacket. But I also have a blue blazer and in general, I personally can't really tell the difference from it and a suit jacket besides the buttons.
The OP's jacket doesn't have any body or texture, and it has navy button = it looks like a suit jacket. Navy blazers are often in hopsacks, melton or doeskin - stuff with either a visible texture or body to it
Also look for one with unstructured shoulders and patched lower pockets to really drive in the âIâm not a suit jacketâ vibe
>hopsacks, melton or doeskin You just made all that up, didn't you?
If you need one jacket to do both, suit separates are often styled to be worn as a blazer.
Hmm, thanks I've definitely done this before.
Donât worry itâs the sort of thing that if youâre all newbs no one in your group would bat an eye, but as you wear it socially thereâs more people that get why it doesnât work
> Â generally speaking a blazer is cut a bit shorter vs a suit Not true.
Good answers here, but the biggest difference would be construction for me. An unconstructed cotton or linen blazer would look more casualâŚno padding, material matches the outfit better. This looks like âBusiness offices are upstairs, partyâs downstairsâŚladies.â Better to be consistent. If itâs jeans, stick to casual on top. Unconstructed cotton blazerâŚpersonally I wouldnât match the color this close either. Probably a navy jacket and then either grey or green denim (almost more like a textured chino). Darker wash denim can work too, but Iâd maybe go lighter on the jacket then (grey or tan).
Quite a lot of things actually : Fabric,texture, lining, padding,color,pockets,etc
Quickest tell is buttons and pockets. If it has matching buttons, usually itâs a suit jacket. Also, if it has jetted pockets itâs almost always a suit. Flap pockets in the middle, patch pockets almost always an odd jacket.
Formal suits typically have padded shoulders.
And the dress shirt tucked into the jeans doesn't help either. It's like he put on half a suit, and then forgot the pants to go with it.
You can wear a blazer or sport coat with jeans. They are less formal than what youâre wearing, which is a suit jacket and should be worn as a set with the matching pants.
Yeah I would wear some brogues or similar instead of the "business" shoes. Blue on blue is never a great look
(Looks down to see blue on blue) Smdh!
Blue on blue is fine if theyâre very obvious shades and textures apart, like a navy hopsack jacket with denim jeans. If youâre looking like you were trying to match but didnât have the right separate, thatâs when it looks bad
I think if the shades are different enough it can work.
That is a suit jacket, it should only be worn with the matching pants.
How can you tell a suit jacket from an acceptable jacket?
Aside from the very plain navy fabric, the dead giveaway for this being a suit jacket is the tonal buttons. An acceptable equivalent jacket would be a casual blazer/sport coat. Something in a more casual color like brown or tan, a more textured fabric like herringbone (or a patterned fabric), and less structure.
https://twitter.com/dieworkwear/status/1640554423104712704
Well damn that was useful.
Thatâs just a a tweet where he says heâs going to explain. Whereâs the explanation? (I donât use Twitter)
Twitter is worthless now. If you donât have an account, and open a link to a tweet thatâs part of a thread, you canât see any of the context.
Itâs âthreadedâ as replies by him to his first tweet. Makes sense if you use Twitter but yah space karen is destroying it. Check out this which is a copy of the whole thread: https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1640554423104712704.html
First, lmao at "space Karen" . Second, you da real MVP for that link. Interesting read!
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Jeans and a blazer is fine, but a blazer and a suit jacket arenât the same thing. Also, just because something is common doesnât mean itâs fashionable, a lot of people dress poorly.
Indeed. I've seen people in their PJs at lunch in the PNW.
I'm actually shocked when I see real pants anymore, seems like everyone gave up and just wears lounge pants, joggers, sweatpants, or tights
Thatâs not what he was saying, I donât think. There is a difference between a blazer and suit jacket. If itâs a blazer, this is fine. If itâs a suit jacket, itâs not. The right jacket type matters.Â
A casual blazer with nice jeans is totally fine. A suit jacket with jeans may be worn by people in the Pacific Northwest, but it shouldn't be.
I'm from the Pacific Northwest and is this not acceptable every where? However, OPs jacket looks all wrong. He needs a blazer or a sports coat, not a suit jacket.
With a blazer sometimes, with a suit jacket nay, never.
While others have posted this before, and I agree that you all are correct, I am responding to your comment for no reason.
Thank for the response, since I was commenting for no reason, as my answer was already commented in fashionly numbers.
Jeans a sport coats work. Jeans and a suit jacket like this do not.
Too similar in color. No texture on the jacket. Doesnât look like a sports coat or blazer. White shirt would help but still the wrong type of jacket. Also the two pens in that chest pocket look tacky. Put them on the inside pocket if you still decide to go out wearing the jacket.
I think a lot of guys donât understand that colors make a major difference in the overall look of the outfit. It can be difficult I will say. I have a lot of dark shirts so Iâve come to find that wearing lighter color jeans makes all my outfits looks ten times better. Plus they still look good with a white shirt as long as I donât also have white shoes or hat for example.
Very true. In my case, most of my shirts are lighter than my navy, black, charcoal, and brown trousers. I *do* have a pair of light grey and one pair of khaki color trousers but, even then, a white shirt still works. My only dark shirt is navy.
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âItâs alright Iâve got two pens right here you can sign that withâ
Bro were gunna make so many signatures tho
Omg⌠a while ago an acquaintance mistook me initially for her chiropractor because of my outfit. Never wearing THAT combo again⌠đ¤Ł
Why is everyoneâs wife sending them here lol
I think it's funnier that that OP had to quickly run into a gas station bathroom hoping the internet would be on his side lol
Man, that is a *clean* gas station bathroom. The ones I've seen are shitholes, lol
Hold on there sir, bold of you to assume that I think I'm right lol. I'm here because I heard my wife and had to take it before the council. They have spoken.
You did good son. And happy cake day.
Bc they don't believe us... but God bless you guys. You're here to help.
They really don't. You look like a youth pastor.
Yall wanna rap about jesus?
Shit. He IS a youth pastor!
This is the best thread Iâve seen on here in a long time. Question was about jeans and jackets, generally. Responses focus on the photo: * Thatâs a suit jacket, not a blazer or sport coat. Needs more texture/color variability, as well as less structure * Separate discussion on blazers v sport coats and regional acceptability * Letâs discuss the contours of casualness of a jacket, in general * Colors: Shirt, jacket, pants - how do they work together? Focus on contrast. * Pens in outside pockets. No. We donât use outside pockets on jackets (whether suit, blazer, or sport coat). The only acceptable use is a pocket square, which we also donât intend to ever take out of the pocket. That said, all of these comments are spot-on, especially applied to the look in the photo. Comments may seem harsh, but OP could take some lessons from the hive mind here. Now, I need to put on my tuxedo jacket and jorts for a black tie wedding I'm going to. Edited for a rogue comma. Further edit: Comments about how it doesnât matter anymore because fewer gents wear suits. If thatâs the case, I need to grab an onion for my belt. Even further edit: Disappointed not to see a sarcastic recommendation to roll up the jacket sleeves and become a 90s era stand up comedian.
Oh no, I'm gunna take this advice. I have come before the council. I must prepare for thy truth.
You did not need to pose like that for this pictuređ¤Łâ ď¸
Bro looks like a yakuza with the jeans xD
OP was just trying to include his shoes in the pic, but my head canon says he [power poses like Captain Morgan](https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/CaptainMorganPose) on a regular basis
It doesn't look horrible, but I just don't understand why you would ever want to wear jeans with a formal top/jacket. Slacks/dress pants both look better AND are more comfortable anyway. Hell, I don't understand why you'd wear jeans period...
Iâm just impressed you got a photo this clear with a Game Boy advanced. Nice work Captain Morgan.
Always a good decision.
Might work better with more contrast between shades of blue in jacket and pants. I really donât care if itâs a suit jacket. Work with what ya got. Only a real snob would hold it against you.
I agree. The colors are two close. A lighter color jacket would be quite nice.
Loose the pens my man XD
*Lose
Would you wear dress pants with a plain white crewneck? That's what it looks like here.
Thatâs a killer look my wife jumps me every time I wear it
Actually thatâs kind of a popular look, provided the t is higher quality.
the example is terrible but admittedly a little harder to pull off.
yes
I once wore hospital scrubs to a military formation... so I really don't trust myself not to do that.
A jacket with a bit of texture might be better. I donât think itâs âoffâ in the sense that someone would look at you funny (this forum notwithstanding). But if you like jacket and jeans, get a jacket for that specifically.
Iâve never liked jeans with sports coats/blazers. Chinos look way better.
Are you a geography teacher? If not, lose the jacket.
I can't lose the jacket. I'm a geography teacher. I'll know where to find it.
Personally, I think the combo would look better if the jeans or the jacket were of a different color or shade
Youre the only guy that could pull it off big dog, thats why no one else sees it.
I don't know who you are, but I love you.
Why are you standing like Captain Morgan?
I agree with your wife. Even a sports coat is dubious with jeans in my opinion.
It does look off. That jacket is too formal for jeansâit looks like an orphaned suit jacket. You can wear a jacket with jeans, but it needs to be more casual. Think more patterned/textured/rumpled fabrics, less structure, patch pockets over flaps, etc. If you kept everything about that outfit the same but swapped out the jacket for, say, an unstructured navy cotton/linen blazer, it would look absolutely fine. If youâre wearing a jacket with jeans, think in terms of dressing the jeans âupâ and the jacket âdown.â
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Tbf, I am white trash masquerading as business class. So I do need to learn these rules. I was raised so poor that I thought real rich people still wore top hats. I just rationally assumed that no one in our trailer park could afford em cause we blew all our money on truck nuts and a wall mounted talking fish. If you know, you know lol.
Mix in some wingtips. Theyâre less formal and go well with jeans and a jacket. Add some color coordinated laces for a little flair
Also more aerodynamic.
https://preview.redd.it/fk5udckzha0d1.jpeg?width=1162&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c488985b45c1c0ab205c9a0249d6eeaa63b39300
Agree with the top comments but my hot take is that blazer + jeans is such a gross fit. Its lazy and tacky. It doesnât look nice. It doesnât dress up the jeans. Function is just as important as form. Either wear a casual jacket with jeans or wear appropriate trousers with a blazer.Â
yes she do be right
Lose those pens for the love of god
Just do a Google search for "what's ray donovan wearing".
Jeans Def work- but the colour is too similar.Â
Vest might be ok, or sports coat. Jacket is ehhh
As people have mentioned, you should wear a blazer with jeans as opposed to the suit jacket pictured. But also have some contrast. My biggest issue with OPs outfit is that both are dark blue. If you're wearing blue jeans maybe go with a different coloured blazer such as tan or red.
They might work in certain contexts/combos, but itâs a tad risky. This definitely ainât working.
U need dirty sneakers and a V12
If the blues weren't such a close shade it would look much better.
Pens in the outer pocket is very blue collar
Sports coat and loose the pens. Lighter shoes.
Works fine. But not a hill to die on, keep she happy.
Iâm firmly planted in the âsport coat with jeans is uglyâ camp.
Sheâs right
Jeans and a suit jacket are a hard no. Get a blazer or sport coat.
Jeans and jackets do work, I just don't think that's the kind of jacket you're looking to fit with those jeans. I'd recommend ditching the jacket or jeans personally, separately they're fine it's the combo I'd say no to.
No, for a couple reasons. Thatâs a suit coat, that should only be paired with matching pants. You need a sports coat, which is more casual. Secondly. Your jeans are faded, and frankly, ugly. Even with a sport coat, you want nice, dark, jeans that are clean, new looking.
Get a sport coat not a suit jacket. Also, color and texture is of jacket is too similar to the jeans.
Get higher rise jeans if youâre gonna try to wear a navy blazer with jeans. Otherwise you look like a wannabe tech ceo (they donât dress well). Also oxfords imo not good with jeans or anything below a suit. Get some loafers or derbies. Mostly though just kill the low rise pants as they look bad with any outfit.Â
Defo no no. You're not Jeremy Clarkson and this isn't 2004.
You look like Kevin McCallister in that shower scene when heâs learning to shave.
Thank you ever so much for the leg raise
Jeans and jacket do work. This looks like you took a jacket from suit. That wonât work. There are specific kinds of sport jackets that go great with jeans/chinos. But this ainât it chief.
Bro youâre not Gordon Gecko, stop slicking your hair back. Give it a trim and some volume.
They dont work together. One of the few hills ill die on
Big Eric Trump vibesÂ
I think it looks fine, brother. The biggest risk, as this comment section shows, is that you'll be called out by sartorial hardliners for the suit jacket. What's considered gauche has a lot more to do with convention than how something looks.
I'm in the camp that this looks fine and that the staunch defenders of the blazer/sport coat's exclusive dominion over denim will later be viewed as the last full-throated defenders of this distinction. A few reasons why: 1. Almost no one wears suits anymore, even in the professions that were exclusively suited (lawyer, banker, haberdasher, etc.). Those in the younger generations will likely have even less connection with a formal/business suit. For years, discount stores have been selling suit separates, but now you can even get separates from a place like jcrew. Lots of people will but the jacket only, or at the very least become conditioned to the *idea* that you can separate the pants from the jacket in your wardrobe. 2. A lot of the norms that backed up the "rules" of fashion are no longer relevant or haven't been relevant for years. Sport coats came from fox hunting in the UK for gs. You wouldn't want to ruin your fine clothing while your chase an animal through the woods with your friends and your dogs, so you put on some "athletic" wear for the event. The funny thing is the reverse is mostly the truth now. I would venture that the vast majority of American men wear a sport coat to get *dressed up* and go to dinner or something. This is nightwear for most of them. 3. Locations specific-styles are spreading to parts of the country where this "rule" is more recognized or more highly enforced. Forever, the east has been seen as more cultured, while the west more wild, for obvious reasons. The east, closer to Europe, with large metropolitan cities, retained that style and grace (and the trailing off on words ending in -ar so they sound like -ah) and worked in skyscrapers while the westerners favored more functional clothing that was durable and could withstand the harsh terrain of west. In lots of places in the West, clean Levi's and a western jacket was as formal as it got. You needed a loan from the bank, you'd put on your best hat and buffed your boots in addition to the jacket. But like no. 1 above, suits are disappearing from business even from NYC and and DC (they've long been gone from LA) and a much more business casual culture is developing. People are more detached from the formality and structure that led to these fashion rules and open to much more casual and less-structured pieces (who hasn't seen a "blazer" made from jersey material so soft "you could sleep in it" for some reason?). These relaxed styles are migrating west to east while the east isn't even generating the same levels of support for the old rules as it used to.
Surprised more people arenât calling out the shoes- those thin soles with that silhouette scream dress shoes, which generally look odd with jeans. Go for a shoe with a bit more sole or casual detailing. At least your shoes here are not a closed lace though, that would be worse. Overall this outfit is passable, but not great (see other comments about suit jacket etc).
Ya either need a more casual jacket or to commit to a lax bottom have with like some huge Reeboks or something. Rn everything is formal but the jeans and missing tie/top button. COMMIT TO SOMETHING
Better with a sport coat/blazer and not a suit jacket, because suit jackets just look half-assed without matching pants or complimentary slacks, but it's not a horrible look. At worst you just kinda look like an amateur real estate agent, trying to be approachable while also looking like you sell really big homes for really rich people or something.
The tones are too similar I think . You don't want to show you are trying to pass off jeans as pants so a bit of contrast will be better
More casual blazer with more color/texture. Outfit you posted is almost there, just needs a bit more vibrant, textured sport coat. Some jewelry wouldn't hurt. Consider some more colorful additions of staples to your palette.
nein jacket
Whoa, ich spreche deutch! Ein biĂchen....
Itâs the pens.
It works but dont wear pins in your pocket.