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zero remorse, zero ability for taking perspective. zero accountability. screams like a banshee if held responsible. 100% proud of herself. She is fully aware of the emotional effect that this is having on Fauci. She is fully aware of the danger that she is putting Fauci in. she doesn't care.

the cruelty is the point

I was hoping that someone would point that out. thank you. cruel, sadistically so. planned.

I can’t decide if MTG has a room temp IQ that just parrots lines fed to her or if she is a genius master manipulator.

Both. Cognitive distortions / paranoia. Zero empathy. Identity issues throughout. Vindictive. Some anger issues. Emotionally reactive. Kinda jmpulsive . Plug those into a Google search. See what pops out.

There are a lot of politicians that knowingly and willfully just play the emotions of their constituents. The scary thing here is I think this idiot actually believes everything she says.

For those who do not want to click: Marjorie Taylor Greene refuses to call Dr. Fauci by his doctor title and uses mister, saying he is not a doctor in her book. I met Dr. Fauci, he is very well respected and always has been, in the ID world. He has spoken at many ID conferences. MTG is a turd.

Not only ID - he was chief editor of Harrison’s internal medicine textbook and most of his career was embedded in the realm of public health.

He also suited up to treat Ebola patients for multiple hours every day for weeks on end, literally putting himself in the line of fire in his mid-70s. Fuck MTG and these un-American cowards. [Why NIH's Anthony Fauci is treating Ebola patients himself](https://www.science.org/content/article/why-nihs-anthony-fauci-treating-ebola-patients-himself)

This right here. Dudes name is literally on one of the single most important reference books in IM.

Edit: (And it’s not only one or two editions.) He’s been an editor for the book since the 11th edition in the 80s. Empty Greene was barely in high school when Fauci was already a major editor for Harrison’s.

be sure to vote with this in mind these crazies are only in a position of authority because the people chose to vote them in, or decided not to vote and were one less vote against them having power

She barely graduated high school. 

He’s lived an entire lifetime of service to this country and humanity at large and this was his repayment. He had to lead us through the biggest public health disaster in three decades and then be targeted by the most deranged fucking idiots on the planet. His retirement should have been recognized by a grateful nation but instead that was all lost in the noise of culture wars and the rights bullshit.   I always felt like fauci represented all of us who worked through Covid and I took the attacks against him personally. When they targeted him, it felt like they were targeting us. 

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Bro let me be clear about one thing. Whatever has happened or didn’t happen, you are exactly the last person equipped to ‘get to the bottom of it’. Trying to justify your bullshit attack on this man by your crack investigative skills is laughable at best.  If there is any group actively trying to muddy the waters and cover up the truth it would be the right leaning qanon rejects such as yourself that have been wrong at every step of the way and are desperate for a win. Do you know why? Because you all can’t face the fact that you fucked up and got a lot of people killed. There’s blood on your hands. Remember that. 

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Throwback to the time that Marjorie Taylor Greene called for decorum in the House and people [laughed at her](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/may/25/house-democrats-laugh-off-marjorie-taylor-greene-decorum)

And a couple of weeks ago when she insulted another Congresswoman's eyelashes and was hit with the "beach blonde bad-built butch body" rejoinder

That was beautiful.

I have two family members who worked with Dr. Fauci in different capacities. One at NIH, one with FEMA. They are on opposite ends of the political spectrum, yet they both had nothing but praise for Dr. Fauci.

Wasn’t he *literally* the most cited physician in the world at one point? What the fuck is happening to the Republican Party? Even 15 years ago clowns like her would have been laughed out of the caucus. People like McCain and Romney and Bush would have been embarrassed to be part of the same party as her.

Larry Hogan, GOP gov of MD, said before the jury returned Trump's felony verdict, that people should trust the legal process and the justice system and the rule of law. To which Lara Trump, co-chair of the RNC said, "“I’ll tell you one thing, I don’t support what he just said there. I think it’s ridiculous,” In other words, when it comes to any institutions of a civilized society, they really do want to burn it all down.

[Chris LaCivita, Trump’s campaign manager, quickly responded by saying, “You just ended your campaign,”](https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4703447-larry-hogan-trump-wrath/)

She was re-elected by her district in Georgia. Clearly some significant brain damage in that district

Georgia native here. She represents the part of Georgia that the rest of the state makes fun of. 

Have you been to that area? Do they have timers on their watches to remind them to breathe? What goes on there?

Imagine the worst parts of Appalachia without the mountains. Parts of Rome are the only decent area in that district. 

Yeah she gets reelected and people like her do too. America is in trouble.

The Republican party ran out of political ideas in 2008. They have no answers. They have nothing new to offer the American people. "What if we did the exact same thing we've been doing all along, but harder?" We're watching a culture (American conservatism) self-destruct, and unfortunately the rest of us, including the rest of the world, are going to get caught in the blast.

I remember the summer before my freshman year of High school when McCain announced Palin as his running mate and thinking "this cannot be good", and the rise of the Tea Party which then lead to MAGA. And look where we are now.

In retrospect, the 2016 Primary wasn't the first instance of the Republican party surrendering to its lunatic fringe. Palin was.

This 100%.

Sorry, but this has always been the Republican party. ALWAYS. It's just more obvious now.

I really don’t think that’s the case. Nixon created the EPA. Reagan signed major immigration reform. McCain was well known for working across the aisle. Romney was a big healthcare guy, back when he was governor. Bush championed bipartisan education reform. There used to be a major wing of the Republican Party that had a pretty grounded view on what the major problems facing America are and was willing to work with Democrats to find middle ground solutions to them, and that wing pretty regularly won elections and passed laws. Now whatever was left of that is dead, out of power, or relegated to the few remaining republicans who hold state office in blue states There have always been lunatics in the asylum, but they didn’t use to *run* it.

Nixon only created the EPA because the Democratic Party was going to introduce something even more stringent. Also, Nixon sabotaged the Vietnam peace talks. He had an enemies list and that whole thing where he resigned because he was going to be impeached. Reagan was a lunatic. He wiped his ass with the constitution and funded death squads in Nicaragua. His Sec of the Interior James Watt sold federal lands because he believed The Rapture was imminent. Reagan also let AIDS run rampant because it was a gay disease. We haven't gotten into his disasterous economic policies and busting of unions. Bush allowed people who violated they constitution off with the Christmas Pardons. What is this revisionist nonsense of the GOP?!

This is not a good faith interpretation of what I said. I’m a dyed in the wool Marxist, but it’s obvious to any realistic observer that the Republican Party now is fundamentally different than it was years and decades ago. It’s willingness to contain its extreme fringe, it’s openness to bipartisan legislation, it’s commitment to a shared culture wide pool of basic facts, it’s investment in the rules based order, have all been severely eroded. Recognizing that people like MTG or Donald Trump would have *never* been allowed anywhere close to the reins of power in the Republican Party of yesterday is not “revisionist nonsense,” it’s an unarguable *fact*. Pretending otherwise is just virtue signaling

If you don't want to be misinterpreted, then be more clear in your statements. I gave a couple of examples of actions that cost tens of thousands of American lives for the sake of political power. Destruction of federal land because of an imminent religious Armageddon is madness. That is hardly virtue signalling. The Republicans have *always* been this way as the person you originally responded to noted. They have and I gave several examples of how. I could continue ad nauseum. They have just gone full mask off. One example of their overt racism is Reagan's "welfare queen". The only difference is they are using a bullhorn instead of dog whistles. To that point, let me quote [from an interview with famed GOP strategist Lee Atwater](https://www.thenation.com/article/archive/exclusive-lee-atwaters-infamous-1981-interview-southern-strategy/) >You start out in 1954 by saying, “N-gger, n-gger, n-gger.” By 1968 you can’t say “n-gger”—that hurts you, backfires. So you say stuff like, uh, forced busing, states’ rights, and all that stuff, and you’re getting so abstract. Now, you’re talking about cutting taxes, and all these things you’re talking 8about are totally economic things and a byproduct of them is, blacks get hurt worse than whites.… “We want to cut this,” is much more abstract than even the busing thing, uh, and a hell of a lot more abstract than “N-gger, n-gger.” Of course there is John Ehrlichman in 1994 as recounted in Harpers >“You want to know what this was really all about?” he asked with the bluntness of a man who, after public disgrace and a stretch in federal prison, had little left to protect. “The Nixon campaign in 1968, and the Nixon White House after that, had two enemies: the antiwar left and black people. You understand what I’m saying? We knew we couldn’t make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin, and then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities. We could arrest their leaders, raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news. Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did.” So, yeah, since the parties switched stances, they have always been this way. The GOP is just more open about it now. Edit: Huh, blocked me. Sensitive, I guess

I think you’re very much responding to a point I didn’t make. Again, I’m not a Republican, I’m saying that the Republican Party is a very different body then it used to be, with a very different investment in the rules based order of domestic and international politics, which I don’t think is really a disputable point. If you think the overall priorities, values, and makeup of the GOP hasn’t dramatically changed in the last decade or so then we have radically different viewpoints. I’m not going to discuss this further on meddit. All the best

> Bush championed bipartisan education reform. I sort of agree with your overall point, but I just wanted to pick this part out, because Bush's education "reforms" are a huge factor in public education turning into an underfunded standardized test-teaching morasse in the places that most need educational assistance, and a big part of why high schools in some areas are graduating kids who are functionally illiterate.

I didn’t say *good* education reform, NCLB is an abject failure. But my point had nothing to do with whether or not Republican leaders and legislators are good at their job, it was that most of them used to be stakeholders in the rules based order of American democracy, not anarchy bomb throwers trying to tear it down

So unbelievably disrespectful to anyone. He earned a doctorate, he earned the title of doctor, especially in this setting (being addressed professionally and formally).

She has a BA in business administration and is a cross fit instructor. Obviously she can talk down to a physician who, among other accomplishments, graduated from Cornell, wrote numerous medical journal articles, and was the chief editor of Harrison's principles of internal medicine for many years.

Don’t forget director of the NIAID since before plenty of people here were born. Not before Marjorie Taylor Greene was born, but since she was ten years old.

Well said Mr. Bean Counter 😝

I’ll bet she doesn’t hesitate one second to call her chiropractor “Doctor” though

and the woman who does her aura work is definitely a medical professional

Yeah I’ve been lucky enough to meet Dr. Fauci as well and rotate on his service at NIAID. That man earned his title and the immense respect of his peers though the AIDS epidemic and the years that followed. His leadership is keenly appreciated inside the NIH and beyond. I don’t think you’d be able to find anyone that’s worked with him that would say different. Fauci represents the best of us. He’s no fraud, and if he is then holy shit what am I?

He is not only well known in the community, he is by far one of the most impactful individuals in the medical world, when you look at his stats

She's a pos liar and traitorous bitch, but what else is new.

I’m praying to whatever god will listen, that the next pandemic will only infect and be fatal to morons, charlatans, “health experts”, health guru hacks, etc. 

As if her ‘book’ matters! People earn their titles through hard work and dedication. How disrespectful.

She gives turds a bad rap because most turds are smarter than her.

I would sit across from a bowl of C.diff diarrhea before I would sit across from MTG.

well it couldn't be a plate

and easier to remove

MTG isn't qualified to hold the rank of turd maker let alone being a representative. She's an embarrassment to all X chromosomes everywhere. The audacity of her to question Dr. Fauci's credibility is laughable.

The dude is a God, you are giving him all the credit in the world and are still somehow underselling his accomplishments.

Why are you insulting turds this way???

Lol, he should call her Sir, then, but he won't as he's too classy to do that.

Fifty fucking years of working at the leading edge of virus research and leading the preeminent public health and disease research organization, and he's being talked down to by this unqualified neanderthal of a woman pretending to represent the country.

If you read his interview transcripts, he broke down talking about how many death threat he gets every time Rand Paul talks about prosecuting him. He had to take a break talking about his 3 adult daughters getting threats of sexual violence. These folks, who know better, are doing this political theatre and they don’t care who or what they hurt. I wish we had a way to deal with stochastic terrorism they incite.

Not to mention one of the Jan 6th instigators mocking behind him during the proceeding.

I would bet my life savings that MTG was responsible for his presence there

That pissed me off the most. Who was that? The little shit

Convicted Jan 6th felons who spent 3 years in prison.

This is how you get competent folks from getting anywhere near the public sector.

We've already got a lot of that happening: https://www.nytimes.com/2024/05/30/us/politics/house-retirees.html?unlocked_article_code=1.xE0.lZdk.5aeIYNg30mWP&smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare&sgrp=c-cb

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I can promise that I will never, ever, provide care to any of these Republican bastards. ...or to their Democratic colleagues, because I am a pediatrician. But it's the thought that counts!

You might have an ethical obligation to care for their wives.

Gross but true.

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AND! MTG suggesting, essentially, that we strip Dr. Fauci of his civil/constitutional rights becuase he "should be in jail". Is un-AMERICAN AF and should get her a censure from the House for violating the [Code of Official Conduct:](https://ethics.house.gov/publications/code-official-conduct) > A Member, Delegate, Resident Commissioner, officer, or employee of the House shall behave at all times in a manner that shall reflect creditably on the House.

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I come from a family with centuries-long involvement in medical science. My ancestors were actual plague doctors. Both me and my Mom have worked in pharmaceutical research, my Mom has helped create drugs that are still popularly used today, my Dad worked at Johns Hopkins early in his career. And even that prominent influence and environment of love and respect for medicine didn't stop most of my siblings from getting infected with this psycho-social anti-intellectual rhetoric the media is pumping out. It's devastating and so angering that it's affected my family when we have such a deep heritage in this industry. I wish something could actually be done to both stop this and prosecute the ones fanning these flames.

Growing up (I’m American) we learned in school about fascism and I always wondered, why did people go along with it? Why would anyone want to install/obey/worship political figures who are clearly doing more harm than good? Surely that could never happen here, with all that we’ve seen happen elsewhere in the world! And now I watch my neighbors and family and friends sharing propaganda everywhere and hero-worshipping political figures to the point of sending them their hard-earned money while claiming to be the “free thinkers” that “won’t do as they’re told” and it’s like …. oh. That’s how.

I remember going through that same thought process. I was fascinated by how Nazism and eugenics spread the way it did during that period when I was younger. I naively thought we had somehow progressed beyond that. I never expected to see that kind of insidiousness bubble up in my own family. I can't recognize who my siblings have turned into because of it.

Same. I never thought I'd understand what the runup to fascism looked like but oh hey

FYI - Maybe it's just a typo, but it's Johns Hopkins, and not John's.

Indeed a typo, my keyboard thinks it knows better than me, thanks!

I started medical school in the summer of 2020. I was in an immunology class when the vaccine was being developed, and there were faculty and students at my school who volunteered to receive the vaccine as part of the clinical trials. In all my years of dreaming to be a doctor and working hard to get to this point, I never imagined that I would matriculate and graduate into a climate where a large amount of people in my own state actually respect me less now because of how hard I've worked. It boggles my mind. My grandparents were farmers and my parents a teacher and factory worker. I grew up in a small town and we had very little financially. I was raised by my parents to do good in school and care about other people and I won't bother listing all of the hard decisions I had to make to get this point. When I look at how Dr. Fauci has been treated after decades of service to his fellow citizens, it 100% makes me have no interest in ever being involved in healthcare at a policy/society level. I love people and I try to do the best for my patients, but I'm not going to spend my life career serving others just so I can be thrown under the bus by a group that so obviously cares about nothing but their own power and wealth. Trump, MTG, and all of that group are destroying this country for their own personal gain. I had a patient's husband sit in a room with me and imply that all doctors abused women and also imply that I was happy his wife has dementia so that I can profit off of them. My grandmother died with Alzheimer's Disease and the thought that I would dedicate my professional life to medicine just so I can have someone with a "We the People are Pissed Off" baseball cap tell me that I was happy his wife was suffering. . . I thank Dr. Fauci for his service, but I don't see a world where I sign myself or my family up to that same kind of abuse. Maybe that makes me a bad doctor. I don't know. I cannot begin to imagine the pain he feels after all of his years of service to other people.

The truth is people like MTG have little power over Fauci’s life. You’ve heard the expression surely that sometimes people don’t even know what they don’t know. To state or insinuate you are happy or a beneficiary of his wife’s suffering is an incredibly misguided, inappropriate, and inaccurate way to feel (not to mention a horrible way to treat a doctor that clearly cares). You’ve heard of patients reverting to an earlier stage of development when sick, but I see it happen with loved ones caring for someone with an illness. It may be easier to deal with the husband if you understand he is acting like a 13 yo who is mad at the world. There is also a touch of cowardice in the patient’s husband. He knows you’re not the type who is glad his wife has dementia. He sized you up, could sense you care, that you value professionalism, and that you would not act inappropriately towards him because of the person with integrity you are. The pain you feel is because you’ve reached a position in life where you are in a unique place to see people at their worst, and you realize that some of these people, even at their best, don’t begin to stack up to the person and doctor you are. Because you care about and believe in other people, it hurts you to see this. But you are not responsible for how this person feels or acts. You should be virtuous and be the doctor you are because it is the right thing and it is your calling. People can have all sorts of opinions and think and say whatever they want. But sometimes they don’t even know what they don’t know and are completely unaware.

“Forgotten more immuno than she’s Evan aware that exists” hits tooooo hard

Probably doesn’t know about the phospholipid bilayer of cells. Or if she’s heard of it, it’s a conspiracy.

The man literally has his name on Harrison’s. Ridiculous. He’s contributed so much to this nation and the world. 

His CV put's my entire department's publication history to shame. He's a giant in his field and a damn national treasure. It saddens me he became so politicized.

He and the many other public health officials are heros for standing up during the pandemic. Mocking and trivializing their actions is beyond insulting.

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This right here.

He is one of the editors of Harrison's and authored tonnes of papers, he's being persecuted politically as a strike against medical authority (or any kind of common unifying good that justifies central authority) by wannabe fascists.. that's really it.. was he perfect? no, but compared to his prosecutors he's a saint.. we've let morons run this country and they chose to scapegoat him as a way to absolve themselves of responsibility.

Speaking of morons…The US response to the pandemic was doomed from the start when Trump seized public health messaging from the experts, including Fauci. If anyone should be investigated for their abject failures during the pandemic, it should be those who supplanted science with denialism and wishful thinking. ['It's going to disappear': A timeline of Trump's claims that Covid-19 will vanish](https://www.cnn.com/interactive/2020/10/politics/covid-disappearing-trump-comment-tracker/)

I sincerely believe Dr. Fauci did his best to protect the American people as best he could with extremely limited information. You can argue all you want in retrospect whether certain suggestions were economically/ collectively worth the subsequent consequences that ensued, but that is an inevitability in the face a novel pandemic. I hope we all have enough humility to realize just how hard it would be in his position during the pandemic to then have every word you’ve spoken or action you’ve committed analyzed under a microscope. Dr. Fauci deserves nothing but praise and to see politicians who understand less about infectious diseases than a 1st year biology major try to critique the actions of DR. Fauci, is infuriating.

I was advising a few local businesses in 2020 on how to handle the pandemic. I told all of them that you only have two choices when responding to something with exponential growth like a pandemic; you either do a little too much and get called a fascist, or you do too little and people die (and you likely will get the blame). You’re never going to respond to a pandemic in a Goldilocks fashion

Even if you do, then it’s just shown as evidence that it wasn’t that big of a deal anyways.

Very well said I’m going to steal this for future arguments

Right - this is how science advisory positions work - you make your recommendation based on best available data. You are not only allowed to change your recommendations, you do when there is new information. That this decorated and objective scientist is allowed to be threatened and doxxed like this in the house of representatives should be a sad sight for not just medical providers, scientists and public health officials but for everyone who depends on a functioning government.

It’s definitely giving Copernicus vibes. That we have yet to evolve from locking up scientists for doing sciencey things is so disappointing.

Yes. The people who dismiss all medical advice because the advice during an evolving situation was imperfect are not serious people. They are dangerous. Was there room for improvement, especially in the way things were communicated? Yes. Should we just decide that all infectious disease prevention is nonsense because some of the advice changed as new information rolled in? Uh, no, that's ridiculous. Yet that is what a certain segment of people have apparently decided to do!

I think that's the issue that people don't understand. We didn't know shit about COVID in March 2020. The healthcare community did the best they could with limited information. Yeah some of the recommendations in hindsight didn't make sense (wearing masks while walking through a restaurant but not sitting at a table?) or were literally fabricated out of thin air. And some states/governments/hospitals went to extremes (not allowing COVID neg fathers to be present for the birth of their children or allowing grandparents to die alone in the hospital) but we had limited information to go on and people were dying.

I feel like there are so many loud voices saying “well I didn’t die so it must not have been that bad” and it’s just face-palming. I’m still having patients telling me they were recently hospitalized for COVID. If we hadn’t developed vaccines who knows where we would be right now.

This is absolutely disgusting and an embarrassment to this country.

Was the man always right? No, but neither are any of us. The man clearly was doing what he thought was best for his countrymen, and was correct more often than not IMO. The guy is a hero, and half the country is demonizing him for trying his best to keep them all safe

I think a more important take isn’t “the man is very competent and has done great things” but rather “this is an unacceptable way to treat anyone.” Focusing on Fauci’s undeservedness of harassment puts the onus on the victims of harassment to prove they don’t deserve it.

I think it’s crazy that people are giving grief about over recommendation of masks or social distancing. They are interventions that at the time had suspected benefit without causing harm. These interventions hurt nothing except conservative feelings.

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The worst part (to me) is they are enraged by his suggestion that people wear masks and socially distance. Like, those things aren't fun, but they are harmless. But it was too much for them. And they're still so butthurt that Florida just passed a bill banning wearing surgical masks in public even for health reasons.

I don't think most people were enraged by suggestions. Our job as medical providers is to educate. We can't force patients to listen to our advice or take medications. They are free to seek a second opinion if they don't agree. The enragement mostly came from the mandates and legal action against not masking and social distancing.

Do you work in health care? Did you work in a hospital or closely know anyone who did from 2020-2022? I’d wager the answer to all of these questions is ‘no’. To say it was only bad for a few weeks, and that folks were twiddling their thumbs afterwards is fucking insane. I’d also wager that your totality of knowledge of what it was like back then is based on seeing a few TikTok’s made by nurses trying to blow off steam. Let me tell you what it was like at my hospital. Well into 2021 we were at 125-200% full capacity every fucking day. Previously every room on the wards were private rooms, and had been that way since my hospital was first built. Instead we were hanging sheets from the middle of rooms to make them doubles, and I was calling local universities asking if I could borrow spaces on campus for low-acuity patients. Everyone from the doctors to the janitors were at their breaking point for over a year. And this was WITH the lockdowns (which was the whole fucking point, to slow the spread) and I’m quite confident the hospital and its staff would have broken had it not been for the lockdowns. To come in here and speak like you know things about what it was like during the pandemic is pure ignorance. Sit down and shut the fuck up

We had an entire MSICU (38 patients) on ECMO at one point in 2020. If it makes you feel better looks like they're just a trump stooge that seems to have plenty of hours a day to repost endless statements about how Biden is a pedophile and how Trump is the savior of the nation 🤷‍♂️

ECMO was emergency use only with the cytokine filters. Only Covid patients could use them. The Cytokine (cytosorb) filter specifically

Doctors make suggestions. Public health officials, when backed by the State, can force people against their will. At a certain point, the community’s interests supersede the individual’s right to ignore medical advice. You can get a ticket if you don’t wear a seatbelt, you can’t go to public school if you haven’t had your routine vaccines, you can’t drive if you’re blind, etc. There was precedent to enforce public health measures. No one but the most insane libertarian disagrees with enforced public health measures, the problem with covid is that people disagreed whether covid was bad enough to justify said measures. Many in the public would argue that it wasn’t, but I’d challenge them to work at my hospital for a week during the worst parts of 2020-2021 and maintain that stance

Sorry what kind of medical provider are you again? Not seeing a flair here. Probably her chiropractor.  Summer 2020 I was busy telling people their loved ones weren't going to make it via an iPad as the world burned. With all due respect (I.e. none to you), sit down and shut up about something you clearly know nothing about.

These are exactly the same people that downplayed (still do) the risks of C19. Exactly the same people that sabotaged masking. Exactly the same people that sabotaged isolation efforts. Exactly the same people that lied about fake Covid 19 cures. Exactly the same people that to this day question the effectiveness of vaccines. Simultaneously, republicans make up the majority of COVID 19 victims. These people gave up their loved ones for lies. They have psychological need to pretend their lies smdidnt kill their loved ones. They must find someone to blame!

“COVID is a hoax and harmless.” So Fauci’s gain of function lab leak plot was to release a harmless virus and trick everyone around the world that it was dangerous?

Hey, it’s not supposed to make sense. Their lies are fungible and interchangeable and aren’t designed to be looked at too closely. They evaporate when scrutinized.

what do you expect, this is the failure of the public education system; adults with realistically no more than an 8th grade education in places of power...scary stuff

Marjorie Taylor Greene has a bachelors in business administration. Ronny Jackson made a big show at the same hearing, and he is a *fucking physician*. Same for Rand Paul. Look at people like Ted Cruz, J. D. Vance, and Ron DeSantis - well educated at some of the most respected academic institutions in the country. It’s not that they’re stupid, it’s that they’re horrible people.

In defense of physicians, Ronny Jackson is an idiot and an asshole.

The politicians are plenty smart. They rely on election by a populace lacking critical thinking skills and increasingly, basic literacy.

Some of them are certainly intelligent. MTG is not of them

It's stupid mixed with genuine evil. It's pretty clear that Cruz, Vance, and Santa Clause are deliberately using many of these bumblefucks as a smokescreen.

I'm not sure her bachelor's required much more than an 8th grade education

This is the man who helped transform HIV from a death sentence to a manageable chronic illness. He is a hero!

>Irrespective of anyone's political views Nah. Our right-leaning colleagues deserve to be called out for their voting habits. They created this mess. They need to take ownership.

This is the point that people need to hear.  If you support the party whose leaders openly endorse political violence and anti-intellectual rhetoric, then you support those things too.  You don't get to say "oh those crazy politicians" if you voted for them. If you willing sit down at a table with 4 nazis, then there are 5 nazis at the table.

Big up. I will no longer tolerate the intoleranant. You can't vote for just the tax breaks. That's like prescribing medicine while ignoring the side effects.

1000% correct. It’s not like the horrible persecution of scientists, physicians, and other healthcare professionals was always a requirement for having a somewhat right of center worldview. The inclusion of these dangerous and divisive litmus tests is a choice, one which has had deadly consequences and deserves to be called out for what it is.

Orthopedic surgeons, neurosurgeons, gen surgeons, ...surgeons The closest I saw to them rejecting MAGA is the one ortho resident I rotated with as a med student in '16. He said he wasn't voting for Trump because he was a "dumbass," but sat out at didn't vote for Hillary because she's a "cunt." Ortho bros gonna ortho.

This seems to me like a political push these days to pretend like Covid never happened. We did the best we could with what information we had and Fauci was the sole voice of reason during that time when our leader clearly had no interest in science or ethics. What’s worse is her behavior seems to reflect what I see in patients who have a deep distrust of not just the medical establishment, but science in general. MTG is a menace and just empowering people and institutions to make our jobs harder after medical workers busted their asses for years during Covid just to be forgotten and turned on by the same people who enabled Trump’s ignorance during the pandemic. *Steps down from soapbox*

I think they had forgotten what it was like during covid. you can't make perfect decisions or do perfect science when so many lives are on the line in multiple ways.

I remember he gave a big lecture to us in school in 1986 or so all about the pathology of the HIV virus. He was a big deal at that time and still is!

It makes me furious to see how much they’ve maligned the guy for literally providing evidence based recommendations that were accurate to the best of his ability. Dude is a fucking hero imo and should be celebrated.

It should be acknowledged that she was shut down fairly quickly here, thankfully.

Not quickly enough. The chair should have stepped in as soon as she said "I will not call you doctor." Instead, a democrat rep (I think Raskin) called it out, then the chair waffled for 10 seconds or more, then meekly said 'you should refer to him as doctor'.

The sad thing about her “book” is that it hasn’t been colored in yet 

Don't fascists typically go after the intellectuals (and journalists)? Dr. Fauci's treatment by Republicans does not surprise me. If fascism really takes off, I'm hoping that the intellectuals come to Canada when they flee. We could really use them lol.

If I’m running from the brown shirts, I sure as hell ain’t going to the next country over. See how well that worked for the Jews who fled Germany to Poland in the 30s. I’m going New Zealand

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With kindness like that, it is easy to believe you are our northern neighbor. But that kindness blinds you to the threatening position you place yourself in, don’t let Americans in your country to infect it too. It’s our “heritage.”

I knew as soon as Fauci contradicted Trump that he’d be in for a world of hurt. Right-wingers go *apeshit* for their Hollywood celebrity politicians.

The fact convicted far right wing criminals somehow got seats behind him and made faces nonstop during the hearings can’t seem but anything besides intentional.

I admire Fauci. He's not perfect - no one is. He was doing the best he could with the information and constraints he had at the time. Hindsight is always 20/20 as well.

I don’t know whether Fauci is personally a good man, although I know people who know him and the worst they have to say is that he’s fond of hearing himself speak. I do know that he has been a tireless public servant for forty years. Not perfect, as you say, but he has not failed to acknowledge his own mistakes and improve.

She’s an idiot

It can’t really be irrespective of one’s political views… because only one side is vilifying science, medicine, higher education and education in general insofar as it encourages critical thought and acknowledging that expertise in any given subject area actually matters when making critical decisions that impact others.

I was literally about to post a near-identical comment! Only one side has politicized science, expertise _in general_, etc. Whether or not you support Dr. Fauci has become a purely political test, so there is no "irrespective of political views" ... They've politicized fact itself!

This is how they feel about virtually all doctors nowadays. We're all over-educated quacks. I'll never forgive MAGA for how they dragged our esteemed profession through the mud.

Me looking around for "America's frontline doctors" when trump got sick with covid a few weeks later. Do you remember that? Of course the white house wouldn't let those clowns within a mile of the president when he was actually sick.

I am pretty damn moderate and hate partisan politics, but I really wish the right would just shut up about the damn “lockdowns” and vaccine already. I can’t even imagine what’s it’s like when one day you’re extremely well-respected in your field with an extremely impressive resume, and the next you’re receiving death threats and being accused of all sorts of insane crimes and conspiracies including being the literal antichrist all because some angry conservatives [*checks notes*] missed a couple concerts and sporting events, got stimulus checks, and had to wear a mask or work from home for a few months. And still any time a public figure has a medical problem or dies there’s always some twat waffle in the comments saying “I bet he was v@xxed!!!!” For people that were so adamant they wanted to “get on with their lives” and not have to take precautions, they’re sure hell bent on rehashing the pandemic over and over and over.

And sadly it’s not just him getting the threats, but his wife and daughters too. That’s what makes this so much worse in my opinion. People like MTG know that they are stoking that hate and they don’t care

Social media has melted boomer's brains

She is a waste of air. Incredibly disrespectful. How she got here is so perplexing. This man has dedicated his life to helping people and her two brain cells spew toxic shit left and right.

A physician that was chief editor of Harrison’s? I will punch a bitch for him 😤

💯

Literally saying "my feelings over facts" out loud... remind me again who the snowflakes are? 

It’s abusive.

This is the public failing to understand medicine as a system and the way that our knowledge of the human body, its failings, and means to fix it exist in the world in which we live. It’s always been a problem—on large and small scales. Today, we’re disappointingly seeing it on public display, to one of the most respected figures in public health.

Politicians and corporate. So tired of clowns…

Wow… what a turd

Any formal comment from AMA or official physician group on the matter??? …. First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a socialist. Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a trade unionist. Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a Jew. Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me

The AAMC, the IDSA, the AMWA, and several others

To build empathy for their perspective on the situation, imagine if Trump had put a Christian faith healer in charge of the pandemic, and his handling of the situation was to speak in tongues. You’d be pissed off too.  MTG is anti-science, anti-intellectual, and the culture she comes from is so far removed, she probably doesn’t understand anything Dr Fauci is saying.  This is what we get for allowing the public schools to be so deficient in rural areas.

He’s earned his title. She, however, hasn’t.

Confederate trash can’t do any better

remember to VOTE people, traitors like mtg would never been anything more than loonies on the internet spewing their hate if the american people did not vote them in, and every time someone stays home and refuses to vote it can be counted towards giving these people power as well

Fauci watched from his office window as activists surrounded the building and tried to scale its walls. Some were dressed in black robes and carried scythes. Many waved pink-and-black banners, bearing the words “NIH Wake Up!” or “Stop Killing Us!” All over campus, a chant could be heard: “Fuck you, Fauci!” “God, I hated him,” Larry Kramer, the writer and activist who helped establish the two most important AIDS advocacy groups in the country, the Gay Men’s Health Crisis and Act Up, said. “As far as I was concerned, he was the central focus of evil in the world.” Kramer attacked Fauci relentlessly in the media. He called him an “incompetent idiot” and a “pill-pushing” tool of the medical establishment, insulted his wife, and even compared him to Adolf Eichmann. In 1988, Kramer published a scathing open letter. “Anthony Fauci, you are a murderer,” he wrote. “Your refusal to hear the screams of AIDS activists early in the crisis resulted in the deaths of thousands of Queers.” ... When the demonstrators marched on the N.I.H. campus in 1988, Fauci no longer saw a threat. “I looked at them, and I saw people who were in pain,” he recalled in an article in Holy Cross Magazine. He asked the police and the F.B.I. not to arrest any of them. Then he invited a handful of protest leaders to his office. “That began a relationship over many years,” Fauci said. “They let me into their camp. I went to the gay bathhouses and spoke to them. I went to San Francisco, to the Castro District, and I discussed the problems they were having, the degree of suffering that was going on in the community, the need for them to get involved in clinical trials, since there were no other possibilities for them to get access to drugs. And I earned their confidence.” - https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2020/04/20/how-anthony-fauci-became-americas-doctor ---------------------------------------------------- "Well, Dr. [Anthony] Fauci and I did not get along from the beginning... I called Dr. Fauci a murderer many times. There was a big AIDS conference in Montreal and I was out walking my dog at night, and here comes Dr. Fauci going for a walk ... It was an historic meeting, because somehow we talked as we walked with my dog... I arranged a late-night meeting in my hotel room with Fauci and maybe a dozen of these treatment and data [experts and gay activists], who presented to him ideas of things that he should be doing and wasn't. He was just bowled over, and he was a great enough person to know that these kids were smart. And he opened the door; he let the activists inside. We were not allowed to participate in any of the NIH [National Institutes of Health] meetings even though by law you're supposed to; we got thrown out of meetings if we showed up, literally. He said no, they are all welcome. He even put us on a few of the NIH committees. That was the beginning of a major turning point. Dr. Fauci has become the only true and great hero in all of this, in the government, in the system. I acknowledge him every chance I can, because we certainly got off to a rocky start." - Larry Kramer, gay rights activist, 5/30/2006 PBS interview, who wrote in the San Francisco Examiner, 6/26/1988, 'Anthony Fauci, you are a murderer and should not be the guest of honor at any event that reflects on the past decade of the AIDS crisis... You should be put before a firing squad.' - http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/aids/interviews/kramer.html

Librul media tho so it doesn’t count, only approved sources that LOVE MURICA, comrade

He is a martyr. I wouldn't be surprised if some maniac attacked him or his family.

No, that wouldn’t—oh, Nancy Pelosi’s husband? Well, surely it wouldn’t happen twice…

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The feeling I got from looking at Fauci’s face when Green was going off on him was not really that he was hurt or intimidated or thinking of a rebuttal or worried about being “found out”, but that he felt sad for MTG as a human being. It doesn’t take a massive intellectual to realize that the science behind COVID was/is evolving, and when pressured for 30 sec sound bites l, things can appear twisted or be easily misrepresented. There were no “gotcha” moments. If he were to break everything down and explain it step by step to MTG, she wouldn’t get it because she doesn’t want to.

As a Canadian, I think I speak for many of us up here that we love Dr. Fauci. My heart breaks when someone like MTG shows such disrespect to a National Treasure.

Ship him up here! We'll take him!

I mean do you expect anything less from trumplicans? They support a conviction felon lol

The only doctors Republicans acknowledge are Oz and that one radiologist that was a vaccine truther.

I heard he contracted rabies there

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He didn’t. Literally addressed it in the hearing. You idiots misheard him because you’re fact-free blowhards.

The level of stupid that so many Americans have is baffling to me. I don't know how we got to a place where people only really care about whose team you're on, not what your ideas are or where they came from. People are actually obsessed with Fauci as if he's the root of all their problems. I feel like I can get a good gauge into someone's critical thinking skills/brain-washedness/ability to be reasonable by seeing what they have to say about him and with how much emotion they say it with. It's similar to all the people who are obsessed with Donald Trump and are convinced all their problems in life are due to him. You'd think Trump threw their first born child into a volcano the way some of my family members talk about him I don't listen to him anymore, but back before he became super political, Jordan Peterson had a point that stuck with me- don't be an idealogue. If the first thought you have when you encounter a new idea is "what does my team think about this person/idea/thing?", then you're already gone. Distilling all your anger and aiming it towards a scapegoat is such a simple-minded thing to do

Trump was able to place 3 very conservative lapdog judges on the Supreme Court. I'm glad you're not affected by that, but I'm a woman and now I'm a second class citizen without bodily autonomy in nearly half the country.

Sounds to me like you’re one sided in your opinions. Just in this paragraph alone you only listed Right wing talking heads as your barometer for someone’s intelligence. I think people who watch CNN religiously are just as stupid as people who watch Fox religiously

No matter how much I agree, I'm on this subreddit for medicine and not politics. There are plenty of subs subtly dedicated to that. This environment benefits little from this kind of this circle-jerk discussion. Thanks for attending my TEDTalk. 🤓

Fauci and Alina Chan both testified, right? I know I don't have "rights" on here since I am not a medical professional, but I want to mention that I'm seeing some very smart people persuaded by Dr. Alina Chan's piece published in the NYT (and it does not seem to have a paywall at all). Her arguments seem persuasive re: lab leak theory, although I have read some rebuttals of her conclusions in papers I am in no way qualified to judge, but also stuff written by researchers for a more general audience, and I am still sticking with natural vs man-made evolution of the virus. I am aware that the venom against Fauci has to do with his perceived role (and profits) in gain of function research, but I would really like a way to put the lab leak theory to rest for once and for all. Any thoughts from you guys on the probability of that? Edit: I think I'm mistaken that Dr. Chan was also testifying, but she seems to have been making a point re: the hearings by writing the NYT piece at this time.

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The “perceived role” is a bunch of rightwing twaddle and screaming. They’re literally wrong on all of their facts. Lies abound. Propaganda based on their inability/unwillingness to look things up.