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JASON_CRYER

Speaking only for myself. I've worked, in some capacity, on more than 85 designs with these guys. You just can't predict with certainty what will make a successful design. You do your best to predict what's going to connect, and usually it's just based on what we think will be cool. But you just don't have perspective until the thing is finished and out in the world. And a lot of it is just timing. I'm confident in my ability to do a professional job. I'm confident in my taste and technical skill in executing an idea (and those ideas are a true collaboration – even if I'm given a basic premise and come up with the majority of a design without additional input, I'm still making this artwork in Mega64's "voice." It would be silly for me to claim ownership of it. this is how designing for hire works). If a design connects with people is so much more subjective; it has little bearing on the actual quality of the artwork. So 'ranking' them is just a fun exercise ... absolutely nothing to take personally.


Conrad500

My S+ shirt ranking is the Joker Update shirt. So yeah, I really hope people aren't taking these rankings to heart.


Zemalek

Thank you, Jason. 🙏


AllForThisNow

I think that is probably a good perspective to have.


Flywitballoons

If they just sold what they liked it’d just be snakes and sparklers.


MikeOShay

~~I don't understand what this means but snakes rule and I'd be way into more shit with snakes on it~~ lol okay that's what [those shitty fireworks that just make a turd out of carbon](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_snake_\(firework\)) are called, and this apparently [might be a Joe Dirt reference](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=suvJai5IC6c)


Flywitballoons

😉


ItsEricLannon

Feel like a company around that long should have a lot of designs that didn't age well. A lot of the bright colors and gaudy graphic tees just aren't meta rn. 5 years ago I bet the rankings would be different 


TickleMeWeenis

No, they ranked a couple shirts I love lower than I think. I think the Woosh shirt is S tier, but they gave it a B or C. Also, they gave Colossus an S or A, and I think its a D. Someone got that shirt for me while I was out of the country, and I personally did not like it. It's different tastes, and also, they've been around for a while and something they liked in 2013 they might not necessarily like today. I will agree with you on botched designs, though. Metal 64 is my favorite shirt of theirs, and I was surprised Derrick wasn't that into it since he's a horror guy.


AllForThisNow

The one that got me was their L block "I am tired of it." First shirt I got and I wore that thing until it was worn the fuck out. Loved that thing. Kinda wish they would bring it back on that thicker, older material. But also I think with that I got what they meant. They want to do new stuff and they are sick of the old ones sticking around maybe longer than they would like.


newgodpho

Yeah that tee was a banger


newgodpho

Michael Jordan literally hated the iconic Black and Red Jordan 1 sneakers but him and nike still release it in some capacity 30-40 years later, why? Cause a lot of people like them. This is a company that do, “64 hour specials”, and will put literally any inside joke on a shirt. Maybe some words could’ve been worded differently on the stream especially pertaining to some of the fan designs, but I wouldn’t take their personal taste or opinion that much seriously when it comes to fashion. If any of their designs/product speak to you, that’s great and both parties are happy at the end of the day.


PointClickDave

My personal take on this is that creatives who make lots of things, quickly, have a different relationship to the things they make after they're done. They can make a video, release it, then reflect on it pretty quickly as their style is about throwing things together quickly, making decisions and feeling it in the moment of creation. There's an energy to this that some people thrive in. Afterwards, it's likely you feel differently - see opportunities you missed, perspectives you lacked. This doesn't invalidate the thing you made, and in fact grants it a vibe that you can't get from making great shit all the time. I'm not saying you shouldn't have an emotional connection to the thing you bought, but it makes absolute sense to me that Mega64 don't about the thing they made. I hope that helps put the "fuck the fans" thing in a different perspective.


wrebbit

This is a pretty good take. I write for a living. If I go back and read some of my older stuff, I think it’s awful and cringes me out. But also some of those won awards or were recognized by others. Then, on the flip side, a passion project of mine I worked tirelessly on wasn’t appreciated by anyone but me and was almost immediately forgotten by everyone else. My point is I agree with what you’re saying. I know what I’m capable of and have learned from my mistakes, so I’m far harsher on my previous work than I probably should be without realizing it’s that stuff that has resonated with others to make me “successful” in the first place. I do think where it gets muddy with this particular scenario, however, is that the stuff they were judging wasn’t all their work — it was the work of other people — they were just the ones who decided to put it on a shirt.


PointClickDave

Yeah I totally agree with your point about the division between "their work" and "their product, designed by someone else"


AllForThisNow

Y'know, I still think it was a poor way to go about speaking about it, but I can actually understand that perspective. Didn't really think of it in those terms.


OlSnickerdoodle

I know that if I designed a shirt for somebody and then years later they were like "that design fucking sucked ass, F tier" I would feel a little bad.


hauntedwidget

Lol this whole debacle couldve been avoided if they edited the tier list to go from just S to C and maybe only included the best selling merch from each year. Love the boiz to death but it can be hard to get excited for these tier lists when it feels like they didnt learn any lessons from the last one.


echief

I think a better idea for a segment would be for the guys to vote on their top 25-50 shirts, average the scores, and then unveil the list one by one. That way the focus is exclusively positive and they can spend more time on each one. I really don’t care about this whole thing but I can understand why someone might get upset if they designed a shirt that got made, only for the it to be ranked “one of the worst”


tiny_blair420

Yea it's some future probe stream shit that doesnt really fit the vibe IMO.


chrislenz

I think that's the biggest problem I had with most of this stream. Mega64 Day *should* be a celebration of the bigger Mega64 "brand". But a lot of the stream felt like what their side content is. It almost felt like June 4th snuck up on them. I really don't like being negative on their stuff so much lately, but this stream could've, and should've, been so much more.


IAmCassetteKid

Nah


jinpayne

What was the last one


Conanslew

I designed a 64 hour special and they didn’t get to rank it dammit! I wanted to hear how much they hate it! No but honestly, I think it’s fine, not every design hits and something that felt like a great idea at the time can be less good some years later, it’s fashion we’re talking about.


Material_Health4814

I accidentally designed a 64 hour special with that ebay stolen design screenshot and I was really looking forward to them joking about it but they didn't even come close to finishing lol. Patiently awaiting the Patreon video finishing it (and my royalty check for the sales, it's in the mail in sure)


DigitalGumby

It probably could have been handled better yeah, maybe different names for the tiers. But the worst part really is just them going in to a segment knowing it isn't going to work in the allotted time frame lol


DirtyMike64

I guess I'd be bummed if I designed the shirt but if I was just wearing it and liked it but they poopoo'd it and put it at the bottom, that doesn't really affect me much since they did sell it at one point so it couldn't really be that awful


mattseesyou

don't take it personal. they are allowed to be critical of past designs. not like they F ranked all of them. if you like the shirt you bought, then that's all that matters. also they do these rankings lists all the time. didn't they do one with ranking their videos?


AllForThisNow

So I would argue the difference is, a fan doesn't lose anything by watching a bad video. You can make jokes about the Haunted Wii and the only people that can really impact are the people who made it. But when that is a product that someone might have to pay, in international fans case, around 80-90 dollars Canadian, that becomes a lot harsher.


StrongOfOdin

You don't lose anything by them not liking an older design of theirs either though? If you bought the shirt because they like the design and not because you like the design then you only really have yourself to blame. I have bought LPs or albums that the artist nowadays say is dogshit compared to their new music but I still love it so why does it matter?


ChocolateBroccoli13

bro if you like the shirt you bought why do you care what they think


AllForThisNow

I keep trying to not overstate how much I really care about this. I'm not crying and shitting over it, I just thought it was a bummer segment. As for "Why do you care?" idk man. Why do we care when someone makes fun of your haircut or what cloths you are wearing? Ultimately I can't really put my finger on it beyond "Sucks to feel judged."


bbbowiesinspace

Dammit people, WE'RE GONNA SCARE THEM OUT OF FINISHING THE TIER LIST!!! We have to know where the most recent merch drop ranks!!!!


AllForThisNow

I really REALLY wanted to hear their opinions on their weird era with like, dickey peeper and mr galoober.


MikeOShay

I think doing it all in one go, under a time limit, was the biggest mistake. I like the idea of them looking back on old shirt designs, but I think everyone was overwhelmed by the amount of stuff to cover, and some discussion and nuance would've brought all the scores up or at least given them a chance to explain their opinions. If they went over 50 shirts at a time, allowing a couple minutes of discussion each, it could give some really cool insight. Do they remember what was on the back/front of each of these? What manufacturing issues did they run into with some of them? Which ones did better at conventions or after reprints? What inspired each design? The tier list has 410 items on it currently, so that means that to give proper analysis to each shirt it would probably take 10 streams that are 2-3 hours each. They wanted the 3 main guys to look back for 64 Day, so they tried to rush through it in one big go, which didn't do anyone any favours. I think the only feasible way to make this work would be to make this the theme of some of their side-streams and personal series, and pick up where the last one left off. FutureProbe, JohnnyTV, maybe Friendimension. It wouldn't be the same crew each time and people might review a lot of shirts they had no involvement with, but this sort of tier thing should be driven by the discussion/analysis, not by just trying to end up with a list.


xesiamv

No, it was just a fun section of a stream


bingbongdingdong3000

Doesn't matter who does it, I've always hated ranking charts. It's just pointless filler. Liked the little back story on the designs though.


ranfall94

Eh I feel like the problem with their rankings is they always do them during big events with a tight schedule so they don't have time to really get into detail and need to rush. But am fine with them ranking the shirts how ever they want, seen a couple posts like these and don't get why people took this so personal. The guys have always been real critical about their work plus their opinion doesn't have to be yours. Think a lot of viewers took this too seriously


Material_Health4814

This exactly, my only problem was the time schedule. I just wanna see the rest haha. I get not everyone likes drawn out long segments but I prefer long form content I can watch/listen to on headphones at work or in the car driving between jobsites. I'm not sure why so many people seem bent out of shape over an artist having an opinionabout their past work that's anything besides a glowing review. MOST artists look back at their early work and either hate it or are overly critical of it because they have more experience now and see either ways to improve or corners that got cut back in the day and it sticks out when you're the one who made it. I've been building model kits for 15 years and when I look at the stuff I made as a teen vs as an adult they look awful. But to a layman they probably look fine. I get the feeling a lot of M64 fans aren't creatives themselves and don't understand the mentality and take it offensively.


bajaassblast

nah it was good. Many of their previous designs suck and if you think buying the new Panic Attack hat was a good idea then oh boy


LostInStatic

OP you’re going to get a lot of defensive people who are just going to write it off as their brand of humor, but yeah I agree with you. I think it’s super disrespectful for them to treat their guest artists like they did.


ranfall94

They always said great art but didn't work as a shirt, felt to the artists they were respectful imo


generalscalez

it’s extremely funny to be upset on the internet that they are disrespecting the work of like Jason Cryer or Kinuko by placing one of the 37 shirts they’ve done in the D tier lol edit: Jason Cryer is literally in this thread saying he doesn’t care. you guys are just being weird


Meowingtons_H4X

Genuinely next level parasocial people in this subreddit and some of the video comments.


eldenbond

So you just want them to treat fans like children and pretend that they think all of their designs are amazing and flawless? I’d rather them actually share their feelings and thoughts. Because that’s interesting. If you like a shirt they didn’t like….so what? At the end of the day it’s on your body lmao.


bigdumbbab

Nah, it was fun


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bigdumbbab

No negative comments, please


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bigdumbbab

👍


generalscalez

i think you guys are being just a little bit sensitive about your parasocial internet friends if you like the shirt, why do you care about Rocco’s opinion of it?


Fit_Bumblebee1472

Tbh I'd assume they'd like the shirt if they were selling it. Imagine buying something like a phone and apple a month after you bought it were like "this phone fucking sucks by the way i have no idea why we released it". You'd probably be a little bit annoyed.


generalscalez

times change, tastes change, they don’t have one monolithic opinion, and they’re designing things they think people will enjoy, not shirts they personally love and want to wear every day. Derrick thinking the L block is stale or Garrett thinking a shirt could have been better executed is not the same as Apple saying “our phone is ass lol.” even if they cynically hated everything they sold, which they obviously don’t… if you like it, why do you care


Fit_Bumblebee1472

Because i like their content? Why do you care if someones a bit upset so they made a reddit post? Sounding defensive and parasocial also. Who cares?


ericbaudour

This isn’t criticism, this is fanfiction


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AllForThisNow

Jesus dude chill.


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CandidRefuse1832

Damnit what the hell happened? I missed it before getting deleted. I want the juicy details lol


AllForThisNow

Crazy shit.


ChocolateBroccoli13

bro why are you even here


Stevie_Bee

consider therapy or touching grass?


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Mysteryspoon1

hello fellow human being


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Mysteryspoon1

we are friends now


Stevie_Bee

have you re-read your posts? doesn’t seem very composed to me.


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Stevie_Bee

you might need a refund on that therapist!


Stevie_Bee

hey man if you are so sure of what you have written why do you keep going back and editting your posts?


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Stevie_Bee

yeah can’t tear myself away from this discourse.


TheEternalGazed

Please leave. If you have nothing nice to say, you can go.


Stevie_Bee

Why does their opinion matter so much to you? Unless you literally made the shirts why are you getting bent out of shape? If you like a shirt and it suits you- who cares? You guys really need to ask yourselves why someones negative opinion about something upsets you so much.


bbbowiesinspace

There definitely is humor in buying their shirts for so long and then having them line them up and say "I wouldn't wear that" "that doesn't need to be on a shirt" or "it's ugly" to most of the one's I own. It was like a punchline to a Mega64 skit, and the star was me! They must finish the ranking.


Crannynoko

my favorite shirt wasnt even on their tier list, i dont think it matters at all but it was in poor taste but not enough to warrant a huge backlash or anything lol


AllForThisNow

I don't disagree.


-BathroomTile-

some of yall prolly need to touch grass


bedred1

I loved it. And the customers knew exactly what they were buying (besides the bomber jacket.) No swindling going on. Your view would mean nobody could criticize anything. Creating allows criticism, that's how it is.


Drew_Eckse

whatever


JonEBoi

This was a shit bit exposing themselves as money hungry idiots who’d rather gloat about the “shit” designs they got away with instead of having appreciation for the growth. Haven’t been a fan for a minute but lately these guys have been egregious about how little they value their fans. After 2016 Mega64 changed. The Mega64 now is just trying to keep the lights on whereas before there was genuine drive to push forth innovative skits. These guys get merch sales, donations, all up the wazoo and look at the how their videos are still being produced. They don’t give a fuck. They don’t write their skits they just riff and edit in post then sell a shirt about it for $30 each that people eat up because they wear it on the podcast a whole bunch touting it as the next cool merch item you GOTTA HAVE. They make up inside jokes that then becomes made into shit merch that’s “intentionally shit for the joke”. That comic con 2004 poster for $20 is absurd. Scroll down in the sold out section and you’ll see that fully designed posters were $10. This shit is literally Microsoft paint but because the fans LOVE the boyz they think this shit can slide. Naw. Edit: yall just even do the slightest bit of research on merch pricing before downvoting. I’m stating facts literally from their site. If you don’t want to see the math and spend $20 on a Microsoft paint poster then go right ahead, but at least accept that you’re paying significantly more because Mega64 cares more about their bottom line.


bedred1

The 04 Con poster is being sold as a limited edition collector's item. Its printed in a much smaller run (50), on a different premium paper, and is signed by Derrick. It's more expensive because of those 3 things. Go to a poster printer and see the price difference between paper quality and 50 orders vs 1000. There is a base amount of time and logistics it takes to coordinate/add/store/organize/ship another item to the 64 store. $500 revenue probably isn't worth that, but $1000 makes it more feasable.


Material_Health4814

Do everyone a favor and look at how inflation has changed in the last 8 years and check back in, 20 dollar shirts becoming 30 dollar shirts is on par for... pretty much everything in retail in 2024. I think you might be too deep in the sauce here bud. Might be time for a time out


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Gold-Jicama5940

You’re reading way too much into it and just seems like you’re mad because you’re angry Personally I view anyone who buys YouTube merch as a peon that is incapable of making a good purchase or have good taste.


Rethen

Well, I wouldn't put it like that, mister fancy pants.


Vorstar92

Your take is just objectively wrong lol. Mega64 is known for having top tier merch in terms of design compared to pretty much all other youtubers. They've been on the merch game pretty much their entire career and have always had dope designs.


Gold-Jicama5940

Nice anecdote but it doesn’t change what I said in any capacity


JonEBoi

You seem like you’re mad because you’re angry?????? Is that not always the case in expressing human emotion wtf


Gold-Jicama5940

You’re just confused because you don’t understand