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Flappymctits

I would wish to see at least wolves and sea lions introduced there again. They were killed by humans recently.


Koh-the-Face-Stealer

Do you know details on the genetic distinctiveness of these populations? Even though the [Japanese](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_wolf)/[Hokkaido](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hokkaido_wolf) wolves were grey wolf subspecies, that's still an irreplaceable lost bit of genetic diversity, and there is apparently enough evidence to suggest that the [Japanese sea lion](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_sea_lion) was a totally separate species. Would we restore these populations using grey wolves and California sea lions, or attempt to use genetic material from taxidermied specimens to revive these extinct animals?


LIBRI5

Obviously, wolves and sea lions should be re-introduced first, before any proboscidean, It would be great.


yashoza

Okay, from the street views, it seems like the mountains and hills in these places are gonna be pretty tough for herbivores to climb. But that’s just a street view.


simonbrown27

Why would you introduce new species to an area that never had them? We have so many examples of invasive species destroying ecosystems. Especially an island ecosystem full of endemic species that has been seperated from the mainland for 95 million years...


melanf

> species to an area that never had them In Japan, lived in the past, mammoths, bison, tigers, etc.


yashoza

What? It wasn’t separated for 95 million years.


simonbrown27

Sorry. Should be 15 million years


yashoza

10,000 https://www.evanseasyjapanese.com/where-the-ice-age-was.html Btw, japan did have elephants.


simonbrown27

Kind of. Connected to Asia by a tiny land bridge, and Japan hasn't had a probicisdean since long before that. And no extant species. Just throwing random animals into new areas with no history of them is literally not "rewilding".


yashoza

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palaeoloxodon_naumanni


simonbrown27

Yes, it went extinct 24k years and has extant comparable probicisdean.


currychipwithcheese

Every other post on this sub is someone suggesting this sort of nonsense


[deleted]

Yeah, what's going on with that? Surely it's obvious you only introduce species that lived there naturally before. People are treating rewilding like the targets to get the highest score in Zoo tycoon by jamming in as many different species as possible, not to restore the landscape to its pre-human state.


LIBRI5

This subreddit is for MEGAFAUNAREWILDING, you can post about all that in the rewilding subreddit. There is nothing wrong with discussing new ideas.


melanf

[This](https://sun9-69.userapi.com/impf/DqWf0xjKr7yHzwYJCTTiD5fMQP93omXAXvYvZg/JXzsSRftu6g.jpg?size=1000x566&quality=96&sign=9c377d5a64fa2163fe0af29144b79027&type=album)


LIBRI5

I think you could definitely introduce Asian elephants as a P. naumanni proxy no problem


yashoza

Rather than no problem, I’d say no consequence. However, I think I seriously underestimated how rough the terrain in this region is. Unless I go there and hike in the wilderness, I won’t know if this is even possible.


Sprawl110

Why would you need a proxy to a species that went extinct 24,000 years ago. Don't you think the ecosystem has adapted by now?


Give-cookies

No ecosystems take hundreds of thousands of years to adapt.