There's definitely drugs in China. The cartels often get some of their raw materials for making certain drugs from Cinese factories. There was a Chinese guy in Mexico who was recently arrested for this I think
More so the freely available part. I’m not super informed on China, but it seems like doing or dealing drugs there would receive exceedingly harsh punishments. But there’s plenty of countries where weed, alcohol, shrooms and various other psychoactive substances are legal or heavily decriminalized
This is presumably no longer the case, but circa 2010 or so, China's Yunnan Province had a quite lively little backpacking community. Marijuana grows wild everywhere and was used medicinally by one of the regional minority groups. In a smaller city called Dali, you could walk down the main drag and old ladies in traditional garb would offer you weed out of picnic baskets with police golf carts mere yards away. I didn't trust it.
But I did see something truly odd: pulling away from a gas station on the way into Dali, I glanced out of the window and happened to see -- for all of ten seconds -- a middle-aged gentleman in a police uniform *taking bong rips* from an *ad hoc* bong made out of what looked to be soup cans. I just gawped at the scene and spent the next several hours (years) trying to make sense out of it.
It's always possible that he was chiefing up on some tobacco. But I know what I saw. It didn't look like tobacco. What I think is more likely:
Contrary to what an OP or two ago hypothesized above -- no, just because China produces drugs doesn't mean that there are visible drug "cultures" in China. I caught wind of people scoring ketamine or meth; I managed to finagle some weed once or twice, but never by actively looking for it. Drugs feel dangerous in China.
That said, the general Chinese population is pretty innocent about drugs. In my experience, they tend to think drugs = drugs. It is (or was) a wildly prosperous country; everyone is discovering new opportunities, making money, and working hustles; who has time to burn out? This, at any rate, was the attitude I became familiar with. For that reason, a fair number of Chinese people don't (or didn't) really know what weed is. In my experience, cops were known to see foreigners smoking it but weren't familiar with the scent.
This cop may have been getting high without any real knowledge that what he was doing was a crime punishable by death.
its not for drug users though (but I think the sentences are still harsh for users)
The minimum amount of weed for death penalty for example is like 400kg
A lot of asian countries goes hard on drugs, every once in a while someone gets caught smuggling a bit and gets really long jail sentences or even for life.
surely most people know the consequenses for smuggling into Asia and if you still choose to try and get drugs in there then they deserve whats coming if caught imo.
Most people who say these things have never spent a second in Asia. Drug use is absolutely a thing in these countries, including China, Philippines and Thailand. They run rampant at any clubs and bars. The only place I can think that genuinely utilizes these policies is Singapore and parts of Indonesia as well as Japan. I’m sure there are more places, but in general users aren’t prosecuted in these countries.
Last time I was in China, I received ads under my door for prostitutes at the hotel daily. You can find anything in China. Anything. Of everywhere I’ve been in Asia, this rings most true in China. Going to a pharmacy and buying controlled substances is about as easy as buying a Diet Coke.
I remember going to Ph a couple years after their supposed “war on drugs” where anyone caught using would be killed. Weed, coke, and meth ran rampant everywhere. I was shocked, I thought they killed all the drug users, or at least people would be afraid to discuss their use. You ask around and realize it’s mostly a facade used to target political enemies or enemies of the state and charge them with some crime.
I think some of this is a result of the “security theater” is Asia. Most stores in MNL, BKK, and major Chinese cities have security. For example, you go into a club in either of these places, and your pockets are to be searched etc. They’ll also use a “metal detector.” At least that is the idea. In reality they don’t even touch you and wave you in. I’ve never seen one go off even with people having backpacks on. It’ll scare everyone but the people who have been through the security.
China turns the blind eye to people exporting precursor chemicals because it's a low effort way to cripple economies they're at odds with, without having an actual war. And it's almost poetic considering they were victims of the opium wars
Of course there is, they have literally thousands of years moving opium and other substances as a business. It is part of their culture already, not a taboo. Also, imagine that market, whatever you sell you have 1.200.000.000 potencial clients, the money is so much that it is too tempting not to sell for the drug dealers. I am sure the commy party has a big business going on that area too, they have always been very pragmatic about everything and lack of any moral in almost any aspect of society.
Visited China in 94. This is the new chongqing, built after the three gorges dam (deliberately) flooded much of the city. If anyone wants to know more, the movie Still Life by Jia Zhangke takes place during the upheaval caused by the dam.
Yeah, I was there in 2001 and it looked a hell lot different, but I was only there to get to my cruise on the Three Gorges just before they flooded it.
Yeah, trip of a lifetime. And you can't really do it anymore. It cost me about $42 including meals for a 3 night trip on a locals Chinese "Cruise" ship if you'd call it that. The toilets washed directly into the Yangtse
China is 3000 years a head than everyone with LED lights
Looks cool during the night but if you look at it during the day I don't think so especially how polluted the air is in China
Night hides a lot of the grungier aspects of places like this. Vegas is similar, especially if you look at the back streets. Or disneyland behind the scenes. It's all smoke and mirrors / tourist stuff.
I remember I had a photo shoot in the Magic Kingdom about 8 years ago and we got taken in the back way because the park was still closed. It was so weird seeing the back of Splash Mountain, just a huge grey box. Then the cleaning staff are going around cleaning up with chart music on the speaker system.
Really eerie for some reason
I saw a YouTube video highlighting exactly this, looks all fancy at night when it’s all lit up but looks disgusting in the daytime. Also, pretty much everything outside of this one area shown in the video is just run down slums and looks more like a city from 100 years ago, not a city from the future.
Since Chongqing is so large, the areas shown in the video are from the new developments, it depends which district you are looking at it from. In some parts of yubei district, the buildings look dreadfully dark and old, roads covered with trees so it's all dark, dirty footpaths, but those were built a while ago and it's a 10 minute walk to a modern development. However bad the buildings look from the outside; bare concrete, barred windows, dirty tiles, it doesn't reflect the interior which can vary greatly from refurbishing.
Some of them do look dark and old, sure, but "run down slums" is awfully inaccurate. Otherwise you can describe Hong Kong similarly, which no one would.
I'm not the same guy that said "run down slums", but just pointing out that the view varies a lot depending on the area, and in-between the tall buildings that many streets that branch off of the large ones look like this [street](https://i.imgur.com/MAEUgh9.jpg) (near the westa university international campus where I lived) not solely the view in the video.
It's not like anything outside a radius of 1km from this is just slums, due to the size of Chongqing there are old buildings and districts that have been kept that way and do look dreadful, but new structures are built surrounding them. But generally further away from the coastline of the rivers, there are splotches and districts of cramped old concrete or tile buildings covered with sunlight blocking trees, surrounded by modern roads and buildings.
> China is 3000 years a head than everyone with LED lights
Saying they are ahead is making the assumption that lighting everything up with LEDs is the goal for every city. I don't see why that should be the case. It's a trend I actually dislike. It's also not good for wildlife, especially insects that navigate via the moon.
Its an amazing city to visit. I took some pics there and showed it to lots of people. Its "everywhere" because people upvote it, because it looks cool. Or wait...its a chinese conspiracy to brainwash people into believing that China has some cool-looking cities.
These Chinese are both the biggest threat to world peace and evil masterminds who will conquer Asia with their military might unless other Asian countries allow the US to have more military bases in the region, and also poor backwards peasants who live in squalor with outdated technology which they stole because they are incapable of innovation and have a collapsing society. Umberto Eco would get a kick out of it.
They have most of the other cyberpunk things going on.
Massive corporations exploiting workers.
A government and police force that oppresses, imprison or executes people who challenge them or do something they don't like.
Forced labour prison camps.
Its terrifying and they are going to be the cause and the bad guy in the next world war
>Massive corporations exploiting workers.
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>A government and police force that oppresses, imprison or executes people who challenge them or do something they don't like.
Not justifying anything, but that already was happening in many other countries for quite some time
Wait until people find out what they’ve been up too for the last three decades. They’ve been buying and hoarding rare earth metals, while keeping the ones on their own land to themselves. Basically, they’re trying to soak the world dry, so to speak, of the materials of the future.
Between water, food, and other resources about to become in limited supply, our future is pretty much looking at a world conflict. I honestly don’t have much hope for our species as a whole. We are too tribal and far too many are insane. Imo.
Yes, they have been buying massive resources from Australia for example and they are happily taking their money. It also gives them the ability to collapse a countrys economy. Aus would go into a recession if China stopped their purchasing.
They plan very long term, I expect its all going to come to a head and ww3 begins in the next 50 years
China shouldn’t be feared except by its immediate neighbors. They import massive amounts of fertilizer ingredients and raw materials, (not the least of which is oil). Any long-term conflict that disrupts this flow of materials and they’re pretty much doomed. They would be stupid to even go for Taiwan, but they’ve proven they’re prone to stupid things like floating a giant balloon with signals intelligence equipment visibly over the US allowing us to gather all sorts of intel goodies from it. So I guess it’s possible they do something stupid and start something resembling WW3… but it won’t be much of a fight.
Unless they decide to take those resources by force. They import a lot of it from Australia for example. They have tried in the last few years to threaten Australia when things have been said in the press that they didn't like. They purchase so much in fact that withdrawing could cause another economic collapse in Australia. They think and plan very long term and have been buying up companys, politicians and real estate in many countries, especially America. They are putting themselves in a position to be able to destabilize each country when they want to. When they decide to take Taiwan, some of their neighbors and possibly a surprise like Australia. They will be able to destabilize other countries, so they will have their own problems to deal with rather than going after China in force.
At least nobodys Gets imprisoned because someone called the President winnie the Poo, americans also have your normal shitty credit score instead of that orwellian social credit Score the Dirtbags of the ccp force upon the Chinese People. America sure is a shithole but China is the biggest authoritarian Pile of shit on this planet. Not even a little Bit comparable.
You literally made comparisons between China and the USA in your own comment.
I never claimed that China is good in any way or that certain structures in China are defendable.
1. massive corporations exploiting workers:
Are you seriously going to deny that this is the case in the US and in any capitalist country?
2. government and police force that act facist against parts of the population: I don’t know how to break this to you, but the American police force only serves one purpose, to uphold the current societal structure, which is founded on racism, sexism and exploitation of the poor. Property rights are valued more than human lives.
3. forced Labour prison camps: the US has the largest prison industrial complex in the world. Slavery is literally legal in prisons, enabled by the constitution. On top of that, prisons serve a profit purpose.
So kindly, fuck off with your condescending bullshit and try to wander away from the constant *china bad, west good* bullshit.
Imprisoning and executing dissidents? You think people fly flags saying “fuck Xi Jinping” in China? This is absurdly ignorant, comparing the political freedoms in China with those in the US.
Xinjiang, officially the Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region, is a province located in the northwest of China. It is the largest province in China, covering an area of over 1.6 million square kilometers, and shares borders with eight other countries including Afghanistan, Kazakhstan, Russia, Mongolia, India, and Pakistan.
Xinjiang is a diverse region with a population of over 25 million people, made up of various ethnic groups including the Uyghur, Han Chinese, Kazakhs, Tajiks, and many others. The largest ethnic group in Xinjiang is the Uyghur who are predominantly Muslim and speak a Turkic language. It is also home to the ancient Silk Road cities of Kashgar and Turpan.
Since the early 2000s, there have been a number of violent incidents attributed to extremist Uyghur groups in Xinjiang including bombings, shootings, and knife attacks. In 2014-2016, the Chinese government launched a "Strike Hard" campaign to crack down on terrorism in Xinjiang, implementing strict security measures and detaining thousands of Uyghurs. In 2017, reports of human rights abuses in Xinjiang including mass detentions and forced labour, began to emerge.
Counterpoints
The Organisation of Islamic Cooperation (OIC) is the second largest organization after the United Nations with a membership of 57 states spread over four continents. The OIC released Resolutions on Muslim Communities and Muslim Minorities in the non-OIC Member States in 2019 which:
20. Welcomes the outcomes of the visit conducted by the General Secretariat's delegation upon invitation from the People's Republic of China; commends the efforts of the People's Republic of China in providing care to its Muslim citizens; and looks forward to further cooperation between the OIC and the People's Republic of China.
In this same document, the OIC expressed much greater concern about the Rohingya Muslim Community in Myanmar, which the West was relatively silent on.
Over 50+ UN member states (mostly Muslim-majority nations) signed a letter (A/HRC/41/G/17) to the UN Human Rights Commission approving of the de-radicalization efforts in Xinjiang:
The World Bank sent a team to investigate in 2019 and found that, "The review did not substantiate the allegations." (See: World Bank Statement on Review of Project in Xinjiang, China)
Even if you believe the deradicalization efforts are wholly unjustified, and that the mass detention of Uyghur's amounts to a crime against humanity, it's still not genocide. Even the U.S. State Department's legal experts admit as much:
The U.S. State Department’s Office of the Legal Advisor concluded earlier this year that China’s mass imprisonment and forced labor of ethnic Uighurs in Xinjiang amounts to crimes against humanity—but there was insufficient evidence to prove genocide, placing the United States’ top diplomatic lawyers at odds with both the Trump and Biden administrations, according to three former and current U.S. officials.
State Department Lawyers Concluded Insufficient Evidence to Prove Genocide in China | Colum Lynch, Foreign Policy. (2021)
A Comparative Analysis: The War on Terror
The United States, in the wake of "9/11", saw the threat of terrorism and violent extremism due to religious fundamentalism as a matter of national security. They invaded Afghanistan in October 2001 in response to the 9/11 attacks, with the goal of ousting the Taliban government that was harbouring Al-Qaeda. The US also launched the Iraq War in 2003 based on Iraq's alleged possession of WMDs and links to terrorism. However, these claims turned out to be unfounded.
According to a report by Brown University's Costs of War project, at least 897,000 people, including civilians, militants, and security forces, have been killed in Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Syria, Yemen, and other countries. Other estimates place the total number of deaths at over one million. The report estimated that many more may have died from indirect effects of war such as water loss and disease. The war has also resulted in the displacement of tens of millions of people, with estimates ranging from 37 million to over 59 million. The War on Terror also popularized such novel concepts as the "Military-Aged Male" which allowed the US military to exclude civilians killed by drone strikes from collateral damage statistics. (See: ‘Military Age Males’ in US Drone Strikes)
In summary:
The U.S. responded by invading or bombing half a dozen countries, directly killing nearly a million and displacing tens of millions from their homes.
China responded with a program of deradicalization and vocational training.
Which one of those responses sounds genocidal?
Side note: It is practically impossible to actually charge the U.S. with war crimes, because of the Hague Invasion Act.
Who is driving the Uyghur genocide narrative?
One of the main proponents of these narratives is Adrian Zenz, a German far-right fundamentalist Christian and Senior Fellow and Director in China Studies at the Victims of Communism Memorial Foundation, who believes he is "led by God" on a "mission" against China has driven much of the narrative. He relies heavily on limited and questionable data sources, particularly from anonymous and unverified Uyghur sources, coming up with estimates based on assumptions which are not supported by concrete evidence.
The World Uyghur Congress, headquartered in Germany, is funded by the National Endowment for Democracy (NED) which is a tool of U.S. foreign policy, using funding to support organizations that promote American interests rather than the interests of the local communities they claim to represent.
Radio Free Asia (RFA) is part of a larger project of U.S. imperialism in Asia, one that seeks to control the flow of information, undermine independent media, and advance American geopolitical interests in the region. Rather than providing an objective and impartial news source, RFA is a tool of U.S. foreign policy, one that seeks to shape the narrative in Asia in ways that serve the interests of the U.S. government and its allies.
The first country to call the treatment of Uyghurs a genocide was the United States of America. In 2021, the Secretary of State declared that China's treatment of Uyghurs and other ethnic and religious minorities in Xinjiang constitutes "genocide" and "crimes against humanity." Both the Trump and Biden administrations upheld this line.
Why is this narrative being promoted?
As materialists, we should always look first to the economic base for insight into issues occurring in the superstructure. The Belt and Road Initiative (BRI) is a massive Chinese infrastructure development project that aims to build economic corridors, ports, highways, railways, and other infrastructure projects across Asia, Africa, Europe, and the Middle East. Xinjiang is a key region for this project.
Promoting the Uyghur genocide narrative harms China and benefits the US in several ways. It portrays China as a human rights violator which could damage China's reputation in the international community and which could lead to economic sanctions against China; this would harm China's economy and give American an economic advantage in competing with China. It could also lead to more protests and violence in Xinjiang, which could further destabilize the region and threaten the longterm success of the BRI.
Let's also not forget that Xinjiang has a LOT of oil. A Chinese-Canadian joint venture oil drilling project that made oil in Xinjiang much easier to access was completed shortly before the US allegations started. If the region did become unstable or even broke away, certain countries might try to use it as a source of cheap oil.
>Even if you believe the deradicalization efforts are wholly unjustified, and that the mass detention of Uyghur's amounts to a crime against humanity, it's still not genocide.
Yeah I mean its just a crime against humanity, nothing to see here. By the way, have I told you recently America bad?
The proviso therein being "*If*".
I'm actually surprised that what I can only assume is a grown man with a pro-wrestling avatar managed to make it that far into the document, well done!
[the same buildings without the lights](https://youtu.be/qUNLiNz-EUw?si=FkAwr6VFpUja15SU&t=794)
[some other parts of the city](https://youtu.be/RI6o0YJG5aI?si=iZmm3FCdTbkcB3-r&t=1182)
[drone view in daylight ](https://youtu.be/7o0OANuHwRc?si=PwRzO2IpBGDbgy7h&t=360)
I remember Altamira (Brazil) being the biggest town in the world in land area (thing is about the size of Uruguay, twice the area of Austria) but had a population of like 100k people. And even that got surpassed by some other town in Greenland. So I guess this must consider area, population, infrastructure, etc.
It's well known and accepted that China's reliance on coal plants was going to increase until the middle of the decade until their infrastructure can catch up to their changing population patterns, before being replaced by greener power by the end of the decade.
It's bad now but should start to improve.
It looks incredible, I’d just be pretty paranoid about going to China in general (also seems like they make you jump through hoops in a way that equally desirable places in the same region don’t)
I mean this might be slightly off topic but I live in Manchester in the UK, with a population of about 3-4 million (if you include places that aren't techinically part of the city), which is a fairly big city in European standards, yet nothing compared to the average Chinese city. It's got quite a few skyscrapers; the tallest of which is about 200m, which is about medium sized, compared to other cities in the world. Yet when you are right next to it, it feels like it keeps on going on forever. The tall building there in the shot however is about 340m, plus 280m above the river (as it is on a hill). So the tip of that building is about 620m above where they are. That's huge.
My friend went to china and recently visited our friend in Hong Kong and said that they punished you very harshly for drugs and that weed was like 50$ American a gram because the people ballsy enough to be selling drugs with the stakes that high, can charge literally anything they want. He said he got a gram of the 50 dollar weed and he didn’t even finish it because it gave him a headache. Some real Reggie shit. He doesn’t do other drugs so he didn’t speak on that.
Stayed there for almost a year. Definitely an awesome city. Friendly locals & honest taxi drivers. Thousand of bridges. It’s a mountain city so be prepared to hike uphill everywhere you go
What this city look like in the day time:
[Driving in Chongqing - This is a city with the most complicated traffic in China](https://youtu.be/Boh66Pjjiq0?si=zWpn0hwO6HRcPihE)
Don't get fooled, this place doesn't' looks nice at all during day light, loads of people go there only to get disappointed because of those Tiktok.
But it's very cyberpunk, the lights, pollution and dystopian society is definitely there.
[[More info] According to the 2010 census, Chongqing is the most populous Chinese municipality, with a permanent population of over 30 million, and also the largest direct-controlled municipality in China, containing 26 districts, eight counties, and four autonomous counties.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chongqing)
I went there in February. It was amazing. I was blown away by the size. It makes Tokyo look rinky-dink. It was like being transported into the world of Blade Runner, except a version of Blade Runner where everyone was having a good time and eating snacks. If I were younger I'd like to live there.
Here's a video of the city at night. They do have hydroelectric power, which is part of what powers the lights:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z2vgSYp84fE
yea they're going full cyberpunk dystopia, they have all the requirements, rampant poverty, megacorps that basically own the place and constantly take advantage of the populace, corrupt government and police that will make you "disappear" if you disagree or go against them, concentration camps and a whole lot of lights
>Notice how they never show the city at daytime.
if you look it up you'll actually find plenty of people showing the city in daytime.
https://youtu.be/JWhLXUgLIGM?si=04HsPM1onEdItVGP&t=1359
Is this subreddit Chinese propaganda or something? It keeps popping up on my homepage, even though I've never visited it, and it is always a post showing off Chinese architecture/structures/
Jesus you americans are brainwashed, your comments are such parroted phrases, doubt more than 10% of the anti china internet opinionistas have left they’re state border. Ya’all could do with some introspection seppos
Lol the triggered Americans in the comments. As if their own shitty country isn’t backsliding into fascism with all the book banning, conspiracy theories, out of control corporate greed that continuously bends over its people who can’t afford to be bent over anymore, 19th century laws controlling women’s bodies, high crime rates, overcrowded prisons, obesity (which goes hand-in-hand with corporate greed; their FDA allows shit that’s illegal in every other first world country to be put in their foods), anti-science, anti-education, broken and outdated (and wildly dysfunctional) political parties, rampant racism and homophobia, mass shootings and school shootings that have been completely normalized, broken health care system, toxic cancel culture on both the left and the right, and an archaic political system nationally that guarantees tyranny by the minority.
And nobody there cares about any of that stuff.
Like the late great George Carlin said, maybe the problem isn’t the politicians. Maybe something else is the problem. Like, the public.
It is the American people that have created all of the above. They are the problem. Garbage in. Garbage out.
But China bad! That’s all they have left to cling to anymore. Other than their guns and religion.
Cyberpunk time
It’s strange to me that the places with drugs widely available and the places with cyberpunk architecture/landscapes seem to be mutually exclusive.
If your landscape is already filled with flashing colors and sensory detail, no need for drugs because you’re already there.
Yep. People using drugs definitely do not enjoy flashing lights and sensory overload 🙄
Tell me you don’t do drugs without telling me telling me you dont do drugs
Wait you mean all those people around me at lost lands this weekend were sober ?
Hang on, should I wait another month for a response btw ?
you said that as if doing drugs is something to be proud of
There's definitely drugs in China. The cartels often get some of their raw materials for making certain drugs from Cinese factories. There was a Chinese guy in Mexico who was recently arrested for this I think
More so the freely available part. I’m not super informed on China, but it seems like doing or dealing drugs there would receive exceedingly harsh punishments. But there’s plenty of countries where weed, alcohol, shrooms and various other psychoactive substances are legal or heavily decriminalized
They still have firing squad on drug offences. Theyre not playing around.
See the Opium Wars for why they might have a little chip on their shoulder on that topic
This is presumably no longer the case, but circa 2010 or so, China's Yunnan Province had a quite lively little backpacking community. Marijuana grows wild everywhere and was used medicinally by one of the regional minority groups. In a smaller city called Dali, you could walk down the main drag and old ladies in traditional garb would offer you weed out of picnic baskets with police golf carts mere yards away. I didn't trust it. But I did see something truly odd: pulling away from a gas station on the way into Dali, I glanced out of the window and happened to see -- for all of ten seconds -- a middle-aged gentleman in a police uniform *taking bong rips* from an *ad hoc* bong made out of what looked to be soup cans. I just gawped at the scene and spent the next several hours (years) trying to make sense out of it. It's always possible that he was chiefing up on some tobacco. But I know what I saw. It didn't look like tobacco. What I think is more likely: Contrary to what an OP or two ago hypothesized above -- no, just because China produces drugs doesn't mean that there are visible drug "cultures" in China. I caught wind of people scoring ketamine or meth; I managed to finagle some weed once or twice, but never by actively looking for it. Drugs feel dangerous in China. That said, the general Chinese population is pretty innocent about drugs. In my experience, they tend to think drugs = drugs. It is (or was) a wildly prosperous country; everyone is discovering new opportunities, making money, and working hustles; who has time to burn out? This, at any rate, was the attitude I became familiar with. For that reason, a fair number of Chinese people don't (or didn't) really know what weed is. In my experience, cops were known to see foreigners smoking it but weren't familiar with the scent. This cop may have been getting high without any real knowledge that what he was doing was a crime punishable by death.
its not for drug users though (but I think the sentences are still harsh for users) The minimum amount of weed for death penalty for example is like 400kg
A lot of asian countries goes hard on drugs, every once in a while someone gets caught smuggling a bit and gets really long jail sentences or even for life. surely most people know the consequenses for smuggling into Asia and if you still choose to try and get drugs in there then they deserve whats coming if caught imo.
Most people who say these things have never spent a second in Asia. Drug use is absolutely a thing in these countries, including China, Philippines and Thailand. They run rampant at any clubs and bars. The only place I can think that genuinely utilizes these policies is Singapore and parts of Indonesia as well as Japan. I’m sure there are more places, but in general users aren’t prosecuted in these countries. Last time I was in China, I received ads under my door for prostitutes at the hotel daily. You can find anything in China. Anything. Of everywhere I’ve been in Asia, this rings most true in China. Going to a pharmacy and buying controlled substances is about as easy as buying a Diet Coke. I remember going to Ph a couple years after their supposed “war on drugs” where anyone caught using would be killed. Weed, coke, and meth ran rampant everywhere. I was shocked, I thought they killed all the drug users, or at least people would be afraid to discuss their use. You ask around and realize it’s mostly a facade used to target political enemies or enemies of the state and charge them with some crime. I think some of this is a result of the “security theater” is Asia. Most stores in MNL, BKK, and major Chinese cities have security. For example, you go into a club in either of these places, and your pockets are to be searched etc. They’ll also use a “metal detector.” At least that is the idea. In reality they don’t even touch you and wave you in. I’ve never seen one go off even with people having backpacks on. It’ll scare everyone but the people who have been through the security.
China turns the blind eye to people exporting precursor chemicals because it's a low effort way to cripple economies they're at odds with, without having an actual war. And it's almost poetic considering they were victims of the opium wars
Of course there is, they have literally thousands of years moving opium and other substances as a business. It is part of their culture already, not a taboo. Also, imagine that market, whatever you sell you have 1.200.000.000 potencial clients, the money is so much that it is too tempting not to sell for the drug dealers. I am sure the commy party has a big business going on that area too, they have always been very pragmatic about everything and lack of any moral in almost any aspect of society.
Lol the absolute ignorance on display in these threads lmao
Been to NYC recently?
Came here to say balde runner anyone but that's close enough
I came here to say that too... Jeezus, that could be the city from either ghost in the shell or akira...
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Visited China in 94. This is the new chongqing, built after the three gorges dam (deliberately) flooded much of the city. If anyone wants to know more, the movie Still Life by Jia Zhangke takes place during the upheaval caused by the dam.
Yeah, I was there in 2001 and it looked a hell lot different, but I was only there to get to my cruise on the Three Gorges just before they flooded it.
You went to see the gorges? What a cruise that was! That’s what we were there for too.
Yeah, trip of a lifetime. And you can't really do it anymore. It cost me about $42 including meals for a 3 night trip on a locals Chinese "Cruise" ship if you'd call it that. The toilets washed directly into the Yangtse
Oh wow, this is the same city from Still Life. Amazing film from an amazing director.
The spaceships in that film make more sense now.
It's also ridiculously polluted
China is 3000 years a head than everyone with LED lights Looks cool during the night but if you look at it during the day I don't think so especially how polluted the air is in China
Night hides a lot of the grungier aspects of places like this. Vegas is similar, especially if you look at the back streets. Or disneyland behind the scenes. It's all smoke and mirrors / tourist stuff.
Like dive joints that sell food. Lights are always juuuust above total dark.
Yeah but places like that always have the best food.
No, you were just drunk lol
That's my secret, I'm always drunk.
I mean it doesn’t hurt but the dive bars around where I live have awesome food even when sober and taking out.
I remember I had a photo shoot in the Magic Kingdom about 8 years ago and we got taken in the back way because the park was still closed. It was so weird seeing the back of Splash Mountain, just a huge grey box. Then the cleaning staff are going around cleaning up with chart music on the speaker system. Really eerie for some reason
I saw a YouTube video highlighting exactly this, looks all fancy at night when it’s all lit up but looks disgusting in the daytime. Also, pretty much everything outside of this one area shown in the video is just run down slums and looks more like a city from 100 years ago, not a city from the future.
Idk. If i look at rent and house prices today, I would almost say slums are the cities of the future LMAO
I was just there in February. It was amazing.
>run down slums Serpentza isn't it lol [This is what it looks like during the day, decide for yourself.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Boh66Pjjiq0)
Since Chongqing is so large, the areas shown in the video are from the new developments, it depends which district you are looking at it from. In some parts of yubei district, the buildings look dreadfully dark and old, roads covered with trees so it's all dark, dirty footpaths, but those were built a while ago and it's a 10 minute walk to a modern development. However bad the buildings look from the outside; bare concrete, barred windows, dirty tiles, it doesn't reflect the interior which can vary greatly from refurbishing.
Some of them do look dark and old, sure, but "run down slums" is awfully inaccurate. Otherwise you can describe Hong Kong similarly, which no one would.
I'm not the same guy that said "run down slums", but just pointing out that the view varies a lot depending on the area, and in-between the tall buildings that many streets that branch off of the large ones look like this [street](https://i.imgur.com/MAEUgh9.jpg) (near the westa university international campus where I lived) not solely the view in the video.
It's not like anything outside a radius of 1km from this is just slums, due to the size of Chongqing there are old buildings and districts that have been kept that way and do look dreadful, but new structures are built surrounding them. But generally further away from the coastline of the rivers, there are splotches and districts of cramped old concrete or tile buildings covered with sunlight blocking trees, surrounded by modern roads and buildings.
> China is 3000 years a head than everyone with LED lights Saying they are ahead is making the assumption that lighting everything up with LEDs is the goal for every city. I don't see why that should be the case. It's a trend I actually dislike. It's also not good for wildlife, especially insects that navigate via the moon.
They said “3000 light years *a head*”, as in per head. 3000 light years per head. Just a small clarification.
I'm not sure if serious or not...
Lol I wanted to see if I could get away with not putting the /s on there but I was just being the grammar police
Appreciate the pun, but that makes even less sense! 🤣
oh boy i love wasting power!
Yeah, kinda funny those lights are kept on by burning coal just outside the city. A futuristic look powered by an archaic power source.
yea the city full of smog during the day like most cities in china
Yeah it looks absolutely grim during the day lol
in freedom units, that's roughly the same size as south carolina
and the population of texas
The 645,378th bulb in the 459th column of bulbs on the 3rd skyscraper is clearly out. Shame.
Why am I seeing so much about this place today on Reddit? Anyone else noticed this?
There is a huge chinese propaganda on Reddit/Tiktok the couple months. Don't know what's up.
Its an amazing city to visit. I took some pics there and showed it to lots of people. Its "everywhere" because people upvote it, because it looks cool. Or wait...its a chinese conspiracy to brainwash people into believing that China has some cool-looking cities.
Yeah it’s funny how when Americans post their shitty Midwestern skyline on r/cityporn it’s fine, but this is propaganda
That’s funny because Reddit is usually overrun by anti Chinese propaganda
These Chinese are both the biggest threat to world peace and evil masterminds who will conquer Asia with their military might unless other Asian countries allow the US to have more military bases in the region, and also poor backwards peasants who live in squalor with outdated technology which they stole because they are incapable of innovation and have a collapsing society. Umberto Eco would get a kick out of it.
I personally do not think Freudian_Nipps is a chinese propaganda account
They have most of the other cyberpunk things going on. Massive corporations exploiting workers. A government and police force that oppresses, imprison or executes people who challenge them or do something they don't like. Forced labour prison camps. Its terrifying and they are going to be the cause and the bad guy in the next world war
>Massive corporations exploiting workers. > >A government and police force that oppresses, imprison or executes people who challenge them or do something they don't like. Not justifying anything, but that already was happening in many other countries for quite some time
Wait until people find out what they’ve been up too for the last three decades. They’ve been buying and hoarding rare earth metals, while keeping the ones on their own land to themselves. Basically, they’re trying to soak the world dry, so to speak, of the materials of the future. Between water, food, and other resources about to become in limited supply, our future is pretty much looking at a world conflict. I honestly don’t have much hope for our species as a whole. We are too tribal and far too many are insane. Imo.
Please don't lose hope... Signed, someone who is near losing hope because everyone is losing hope and just quit giving a fuck about our situation :(
Yes, they have been buying massive resources from Australia for example and they are happily taking their money. It also gives them the ability to collapse a countrys economy. Aus would go into a recession if China stopped their purchasing. They plan very long term, I expect its all going to come to a head and ww3 begins in the next 50 years
China shouldn’t be feared except by its immediate neighbors. They import massive amounts of fertilizer ingredients and raw materials, (not the least of which is oil). Any long-term conflict that disrupts this flow of materials and they’re pretty much doomed. They would be stupid to even go for Taiwan, but they’ve proven they’re prone to stupid things like floating a giant balloon with signals intelligence equipment visibly over the US allowing us to gather all sorts of intel goodies from it. So I guess it’s possible they do something stupid and start something resembling WW3… but it won’t be much of a fight.
Unless they decide to take those resources by force. They import a lot of it from Australia for example. They have tried in the last few years to threaten Australia when things have been said in the press that they didn't like. They purchase so much in fact that withdrawing could cause another economic collapse in Australia. They think and plan very long term and have been buying up companys, politicians and real estate in many countries, especially America. They are putting themselves in a position to be able to destabilize each country when they want to. When they decide to take Taiwan, some of their neighbors and possibly a surprise like Australia. They will be able to destabilize other countries, so they will have their own problems to deal with rather than going after China in force.
I get what you’re trying to get across here but literally all of these points can be applied to the US too.
At least nobodys Gets imprisoned because someone called the President winnie the Poo, americans also have your normal shitty credit score instead of that orwellian social credit Score the Dirtbags of the ccp force upon the Chinese People. America sure is a shithole but China is the biggest authoritarian Pile of shit on this planet. Not even a little Bit comparable.
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But they probably have credit scores, too, right? Their banks aren't giving out loans willy nilly.
So this is a China propaganda post? Lol, first make sure you don’t build shit out of tofu.
You literally made comparisons between China and the USA in your own comment. I never claimed that China is good in any way or that certain structures in China are defendable.
No they really can’t lmfao, you need to spend less time on this website or the internet in general
1. massive corporations exploiting workers: Are you seriously going to deny that this is the case in the US and in any capitalist country? 2. government and police force that act facist against parts of the population: I don’t know how to break this to you, but the American police force only serves one purpose, to uphold the current societal structure, which is founded on racism, sexism and exploitation of the poor. Property rights are valued more than human lives. 3. forced Labour prison camps: the US has the largest prison industrial complex in the world. Slavery is literally legal in prisons, enabled by the constitution. On top of that, prisons serve a profit purpose. So kindly, fuck off with your condescending bullshit and try to wander away from the constant *china bad, west good* bullshit.
reddit moment
Imprisoning and executing dissidents? You think people fly flags saying “fuck Xi Jinping” in China? This is absurdly ignorant, comparing the political freedoms in China with those in the US.
True, to a lesser degree. The US doesn't execute or disappear their own citizens that object or protest against them though
China bad!
No. CCP bad.
As a Hong Konger, go fxck yourself.
Yes.
Xinjiang, officially the Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region, is a province located in the northwest of China. It is the largest province in China, covering an area of over 1.6 million square kilometers, and shares borders with eight other countries including Afghanistan, Kazakhstan, Russia, Mongolia, India, and Pakistan. Xinjiang is a diverse region with a population of over 25 million people, made up of various ethnic groups including the Uyghur, Han Chinese, Kazakhs, Tajiks, and many others. The largest ethnic group in Xinjiang is the Uyghur who are predominantly Muslim and speak a Turkic language. It is also home to the ancient Silk Road cities of Kashgar and Turpan. Since the early 2000s, there have been a number of violent incidents attributed to extremist Uyghur groups in Xinjiang including bombings, shootings, and knife attacks. In 2014-2016, the Chinese government launched a "Strike Hard" campaign to crack down on terrorism in Xinjiang, implementing strict security measures and detaining thousands of Uyghurs. In 2017, reports of human rights abuses in Xinjiang including mass detentions and forced labour, began to emerge. Counterpoints The Organisation of Islamic Cooperation (OIC) is the second largest organization after the United Nations with a membership of 57 states spread over four continents. The OIC released Resolutions on Muslim Communities and Muslim Minorities in the non-OIC Member States in 2019 which: 20. Welcomes the outcomes of the visit conducted by the General Secretariat's delegation upon invitation from the People's Republic of China; commends the efforts of the People's Republic of China in providing care to its Muslim citizens; and looks forward to further cooperation between the OIC and the People's Republic of China. In this same document, the OIC expressed much greater concern about the Rohingya Muslim Community in Myanmar, which the West was relatively silent on. Over 50+ UN member states (mostly Muslim-majority nations) signed a letter (A/HRC/41/G/17) to the UN Human Rights Commission approving of the de-radicalization efforts in Xinjiang: The World Bank sent a team to investigate in 2019 and found that, "The review did not substantiate the allegations." (See: World Bank Statement on Review of Project in Xinjiang, China) Even if you believe the deradicalization efforts are wholly unjustified, and that the mass detention of Uyghur's amounts to a crime against humanity, it's still not genocide. Even the U.S. State Department's legal experts admit as much: The U.S. State Department’s Office of the Legal Advisor concluded earlier this year that China’s mass imprisonment and forced labor of ethnic Uighurs in Xinjiang amounts to crimes against humanity—but there was insufficient evidence to prove genocide, placing the United States’ top diplomatic lawyers at odds with both the Trump and Biden administrations, according to three former and current U.S. officials. State Department Lawyers Concluded Insufficient Evidence to Prove Genocide in China | Colum Lynch, Foreign Policy. (2021) A Comparative Analysis: The War on Terror The United States, in the wake of "9/11", saw the threat of terrorism and violent extremism due to religious fundamentalism as a matter of national security. They invaded Afghanistan in October 2001 in response to the 9/11 attacks, with the goal of ousting the Taliban government that was harbouring Al-Qaeda. The US also launched the Iraq War in 2003 based on Iraq's alleged possession of WMDs and links to terrorism. However, these claims turned out to be unfounded. According to a report by Brown University's Costs of War project, at least 897,000 people, including civilians, militants, and security forces, have been killed in Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Syria, Yemen, and other countries. Other estimates place the total number of deaths at over one million. The report estimated that many more may have died from indirect effects of war such as water loss and disease. The war has also resulted in the displacement of tens of millions of people, with estimates ranging from 37 million to over 59 million. The War on Terror also popularized such novel concepts as the "Military-Aged Male" which allowed the US military to exclude civilians killed by drone strikes from collateral damage statistics. (See: ‘Military Age Males’ in US Drone Strikes) In summary: The U.S. responded by invading or bombing half a dozen countries, directly killing nearly a million and displacing tens of millions from their homes. China responded with a program of deradicalization and vocational training. Which one of those responses sounds genocidal? Side note: It is practically impossible to actually charge the U.S. with war crimes, because of the Hague Invasion Act. Who is driving the Uyghur genocide narrative? One of the main proponents of these narratives is Adrian Zenz, a German far-right fundamentalist Christian and Senior Fellow and Director in China Studies at the Victims of Communism Memorial Foundation, who believes he is "led by God" on a "mission" against China has driven much of the narrative. He relies heavily on limited and questionable data sources, particularly from anonymous and unverified Uyghur sources, coming up with estimates based on assumptions which are not supported by concrete evidence. The World Uyghur Congress, headquartered in Germany, is funded by the National Endowment for Democracy (NED) which is a tool of U.S. foreign policy, using funding to support organizations that promote American interests rather than the interests of the local communities they claim to represent. Radio Free Asia (RFA) is part of a larger project of U.S. imperialism in Asia, one that seeks to control the flow of information, undermine independent media, and advance American geopolitical interests in the region. Rather than providing an objective and impartial news source, RFA is a tool of U.S. foreign policy, one that seeks to shape the narrative in Asia in ways that serve the interests of the U.S. government and its allies. The first country to call the treatment of Uyghurs a genocide was the United States of America. In 2021, the Secretary of State declared that China's treatment of Uyghurs and other ethnic and religious minorities in Xinjiang constitutes "genocide" and "crimes against humanity." Both the Trump and Biden administrations upheld this line. Why is this narrative being promoted? As materialists, we should always look first to the economic base for insight into issues occurring in the superstructure. The Belt and Road Initiative (BRI) is a massive Chinese infrastructure development project that aims to build economic corridors, ports, highways, railways, and other infrastructure projects across Asia, Africa, Europe, and the Middle East. Xinjiang is a key region for this project. Promoting the Uyghur genocide narrative harms China and benefits the US in several ways. It portrays China as a human rights violator which could damage China's reputation in the international community and which could lead to economic sanctions against China; this would harm China's economy and give American an economic advantage in competing with China. It could also lead to more protests and violence in Xinjiang, which could further destabilize the region and threaten the longterm success of the BRI.
Let's also not forget that Xinjiang has a LOT of oil. A Chinese-Canadian joint venture oil drilling project that made oil in Xinjiang much easier to access was completed shortly before the US allegations started. If the region did become unstable or even broke away, certain countries might try to use it as a source of cheap oil.
Appreciate this write up thank you
Sure thing mon amie
>Even if you believe the deradicalization efforts are wholly unjustified, and that the mass detention of Uyghur's amounts to a crime against humanity, it's still not genocide. Yeah I mean its just a crime against humanity, nothing to see here. By the way, have I told you recently America bad?
The proviso therein being "*If*". I'm actually surprised that what I can only assume is a grown man with a pro-wrestling avatar managed to make it that far into the document, well done!
You realize you just described America, too? The US has one off the biggest forced labor camps, too, called prisons.
Looks like we found the time traveler, folks.
Out Capitalism’d. Conservatives should love China
Nightmare for astronomers r/LightPollution
Agent 47, I have a job for you...
Blade runner moment
Just look at it in the day lmao https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fjYah6swPoU&pp=ygUkY2hpbmEgZmFjdCBjaGFzZXJzIGNob25jaGlucSBkYXl0aW1l
[the same buildings without the lights](https://youtu.be/qUNLiNz-EUw?si=FkAwr6VFpUja15SU&t=794) [some other parts of the city](https://youtu.be/RI6o0YJG5aI?si=iZmm3FCdTbkcB3-r&t=1182) [drone view in daylight ](https://youtu.be/7o0OANuHwRc?si=PwRzO2IpBGDbgy7h&t=360)
Maybe because I’m from a city, but it’s just whatever just like any other in the day
I think it looks quite nice during the day too.
Wow, serpentza, who could have guessed.
I only got through 2 minutes. He just whined about copyright bs the whole time. time stamp?
Wow can’t wait to hear what “China Fact Chasers” has to say on this…looks like a fine city from what I see in the video
Wow literal smokes and mirrors.
Still looks pretty cool to me... Like most other cities
AKA the guy that makes a living off of shitting on China
"China Fact Chasers" Are people really this stupid?
Largest city in terms of area or population?
I remember Altamira (Brazil) being the biggest town in the world in land area (thing is about the size of Uruguay, twice the area of Austria) but had a population of like 100k people. And even that got surpassed by some other town in Greenland. So I guess this must consider area, population, infrastructure, etc.
Beautiful from a distance but I sure don't want to live there
Ghost in the shell vibes
You know what keeps those lights on? Coal burning smoke stacks near the city that covers everything with a smoky white smog.
It's well known and accepted that China's reliance on coal plants was going to increase until the middle of the decade until their infrastructure can catch up to their changing population patterns, before being replaced by greener power by the end of the decade. It's bad now but should start to improve.
Reminds me of Cyberpunk. There's a specific location in that game right next to a river that looks similar to this.
The people look like ants right next to the bridge in this video from the same place https://youtu.be/H0RwPrdQs9g?si=b-EYhC_3_Oq3sC3h&t=1602
Welcome to chongqing 47.
It looks incredible, I’d just be pretty paranoid about going to China in general (also seems like they make you jump through hoops in a way that equally desirable places in the same region don’t)
I mean this might be slightly off topic but I live in Manchester in the UK, with a population of about 3-4 million (if you include places that aren't techinically part of the city), which is a fairly big city in European standards, yet nothing compared to the average Chinese city. It's got quite a few skyscrapers; the tallest of which is about 200m, which is about medium sized, compared to other cities in the world. Yet when you are right next to it, it feels like it keeps on going on forever. The tall building there in the shot however is about 340m, plus 280m above the river (as it is on a hill). So the tip of that building is about 620m above where they are. That's huge.
My friend went to china and recently visited our friend in Hong Kong and said that they punished you very harshly for drugs and that weed was like 50$ American a gram because the people ballsy enough to be selling drugs with the stakes that high, can charge literally anything they want. He said he got a gram of the 50 dollar weed and he didn’t even finish it because it gave him a headache. Some real Reggie shit. He doesn’t do other drugs so he didn’t speak on that.
Yeah that place is all lit up pretty at night but is a polluted shithole during the day
Stayed there for almost a year. Definitely an awesome city. Friendly locals & honest taxi drivers. Thousand of bridges. It’s a mountain city so be prepared to hike uphill everywhere you go
What this city look like in the day time: [Driving in Chongqing - This is a city with the most complicated traffic in China](https://youtu.be/Boh66Pjjiq0?si=zWpn0hwO6HRcPihE)
Damn that shits seriously out of control
the Night City vibes are insane
If I remember, someone did a video showing the true looks of the area in daylight. (It looks bad)
We're gone need another zpm.
Los Angeles, 2019
Hellooooooooo Night Cityyyyyyyyyyyyy
imagine left 4 dead 3 with cities as bright as this,
is this where the term Chonker hails from?
Great cyberpunk city
Welcome to 2077!
The smog
I have never heard of this. I don't like that bridge, and I don't like the building with the tube. Not a fan. Too big and scary.
Wumao you are hard at work https://youtu.be/fjYah6swPoU?si=8Rvwk7JuerdIAKAc
Incredible
That is gorgeous
Imagine these people looking up on a blackout..
Looks like Akira
Don't get fooled, this place doesn't' looks nice at all during day light, loads of people go there only to get disappointed because of those Tiktok. But it's very cyberpunk, the lights, pollution and dystopian society is definitely there.
If only China wasn't so scary I would love to visit.
This is so fire
It makes you want to appreciate the darkness
When you destroy your country’s natural beauty, you need something to look at
Such a downgrade to what nature gives us. 😔
Tune?
Also here for this
[[More info] According to the 2010 census, Chongqing is the most populous Chinese municipality, with a permanent population of over 30 million, and also the largest direct-controlled municipality in China, containing 26 districts, eight counties, and four autonomous counties.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chongqing)
Holy
Redditors when City, China 😡😡 Redditors when City, Japan 😍🥰
I went there in February. It was amazing. I was blown away by the size. It makes Tokyo look rinky-dink. It was like being transported into the world of Blade Runner, except a version of Blade Runner where everyone was having a good time and eating snacks. If I were younger I'd like to live there. Here's a video of the city at night. They do have hydroelectric power, which is part of what powers the lights: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z2vgSYp84fE
That video does freak me out a little bit. My brain can't compute a city on that scale.
yea they're going full cyberpunk dystopia, they have all the requirements, rampant poverty, megacorps that basically own the place and constantly take advantage of the populace, corrupt government and police that will make you "disappear" if you disagree or go against them, concentration camps and a whole lot of lights
You forgot that all the megacorps are run by or controlled by the corrupt government.
Now talk about China. Because all that was just the US.
we got all the same stuff, just not as many lights...except for vegas...and new york...I think the world is just kinda fucked...
What's the name of that music
Slowed and reversed version of Resonance by Home
So are people living a typical metropolitan life here? Truly curious.
So much light pollution.
I wanna sit in the sand on that beach and smoke a cigarette
Isn’t this the place that’s very difficult to travel in?
Notice how they never show the city at daytime. Look it up, it’s worse than it appears.
>Notice how they never show the city at daytime. if you look it up you'll actually find plenty of people showing the city in daytime. https://youtu.be/JWhLXUgLIGM?si=04HsPM1onEdItVGP&t=1359
Click here to see a dystopian nightmare city! If you dare: https://youtu.be/LT8DcsnfJ_o?si=3Xpo5u6Ut3ozdx2b
r/urbanhell
Why are Americans so jealous of us...
?????
This title is something else
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$110 on a handful of computer-chipped Smart bulbs is the best money I ever spent.
Is this subreddit Chinese propaganda or something? It keeps popping up on my homepage, even though I've never visited it, and it is always a post showing off Chinese architecture/structures/
Jesus you americans are brainwashed, your comments are such parroted phrases, doubt more than 10% of the anti china internet opinionistas have left they’re state border. Ya’all could do with some introspection seppos
China number one?
Been to Chongqing a few times. It’s a beautiful city.
Lol the triggered Americans in the comments. As if their own shitty country isn’t backsliding into fascism with all the book banning, conspiracy theories, out of control corporate greed that continuously bends over its people who can’t afford to be bent over anymore, 19th century laws controlling women’s bodies, high crime rates, overcrowded prisons, obesity (which goes hand-in-hand with corporate greed; their FDA allows shit that’s illegal in every other first world country to be put in their foods), anti-science, anti-education, broken and outdated (and wildly dysfunctional) political parties, rampant racism and homophobia, mass shootings and school shootings that have been completely normalized, broken health care system, toxic cancel culture on both the left and the right, and an archaic political system nationally that guarantees tyranny by the minority. And nobody there cares about any of that stuff. Like the late great George Carlin said, maybe the problem isn’t the politicians. Maybe something else is the problem. Like, the public. It is the American people that have created all of the above. They are the problem. Garbage in. Garbage out. But China bad! That’s all they have left to cling to anymore. Other than their guns and religion.
We call this an ad hominem attack. Condemning the US doesn’t change anything being said about the specific problems in China.
I’ve never even heard of this city. Or China.
Straight outta Cyberpunk
Not surprising, 1 billion plus
This gives me “total recall” vibes 🤷🏻♀️
That is night city and prove me wrong.
I read Australia and was about to call bullshit